Question:
Genesis question?
joeyschiliro
2006-09-17 17:16:32 UTC
Hi everybody I just started reading the Bible everday from start to finish, and just have a question. Why did God place the Tree of knowledge of good and evil in the garden? Did Satan request this? I mean, why couldn't He have just left out that tree? When you read more, more questions come up!

And also, was the serpent in Genesis the snake it is today? Because God cursed it and said to walk on its belly, was the snake a different appearance? Thanks everyone! Gob Bless you all.
Sixteen answers:
2006-09-17 17:37:48 UTC
Duh, Its a fairy tale!!!
helpme1
2006-09-17 17:30:08 UTC
Well it is so nice to hear someone has a real question instead of arguing and complaining! That is why I mostly stay away from this site.



Ok 1. The tree was in the middle becasuse thats where it could be seen. They had to have a choice of good and evil. The tree was placed in the middle to provide that choice.

If the tree had been left out there would be no choice to make. It would be like God forcing them to do good. Also notice back in Gen 2:17 that God warned them to NOT eat of the tree of knowlege. They were told they would die if they did. So they were warned of the consequences and it's unfair to put the blame on God. In chapter 3 Notice how Eve knew that she wasn't to eat of THAT pariticular tree but she LET herself be decieved by the Serpent. vs 1-6

#2. The serpent: We don't necessarily know that the serpent was a snake. Lizards are serpents too. If I were to cut off a lizards legs, that doesn't mean that all of it's offspring will be born without legs.

In Gen 3:14 God says to the serpent "all the days of YOUR life.

So there is no clear cut answer that I can see as to if it was something that happened to this serpent one time of if it would continue on for generations to come.
mrcricket1932
2006-09-17 17:42:06 UTC
You have been given a good lesson how intellect can close a mind. One of the posters has created the illusion that intellect is the total answer to everthing. Little realizing he has restricted his thinking very considerably. Evidence continues to come forth, in this time, which establishes an intelligence long before his reference suggests. I have, just today had an article sent to me revealing the chinese were mining for gold (with a smelter) inTasmania. It ceased to operate over 500 years ago. The reason being the impact of a large body hit in the ocean and incinerated many of their ships (over 50 of them). The accompanying tsunami put the rest of the ships high up on the cliffs.. remnants can still be found there.. Now, where does one determine where intelligence began and what does this do to our educational process now? Reliance, totally on present day intellect, is a fools pathway.



As far as the tree....man was given free will to choose and select. Yet he ignored the warning and took of the fruit. When you read further, you will find there was a civilization not far from Eden. The banished son went there to find a wife. This may throw you a bit of a curve but one must remember, This is the history of the Jewish race.. its beginning. The snake is believed to be used symbolically... I can offer no proof one way or the other.
Rabbi Yohanneh
2006-09-17 17:29:31 UTC
The 'second creation' is a myth in the classical sense and when we academically speak of a 'myth' we do not mean that it is untrue, just that it is not historical. Like all Mesopotamian Creation stories it attempts to answer the fundamental questions of human existence, such as the origins of life, the human condition etc. The role of the tree of knowledge is vastly complicated and would require a more extensive discussion that we can have here. But in its more simplified form it is the protagonist that drives the natural curiosity of the woman and the man, thus answering the question, "why do we so often end up in trouble when we fail to resist the urge?" It is not the purpose of the text to be taken literally, a talking serpent? Mmm? Rather this plays the mythological role of the human psyche, which is represented in many ancient myths as a serpent. How often have we heard and heeded the serpent of our naturally curious minds? The biblical redactors have done well to preserve such a masterpiece of literature. Shalom
2006-09-17 18:20:55 UTC
God chose that one tree from all the other fruit trees in the garden. Adam and Eve had all the other trees to chose from to eat just don't eat from that tree.

It was a simple test of choice, obedience to his/her creator. Loyalty came into the picture too.

Satan did not request it, the Angel who became Satan later was still in good standing with the creator.

The Angel who was given responsibility to see to it Adam and Eve live there lives in harmony with their creator wanted that glory for himself so guess what...Like a ventriloquist he talked to Eve through a serpent and this was unusual to Eve. He told the first lie to Eve and slandered the creator. The serpent was the same just that one serpent was cursed. snakes today are the same.

One thing...there was another tree and this was in the middle of the garden, it was the tree of LIFE and when our creator drove out Adam and Eve from the garden and posted an Angel with the flaming sword at the entrance of the garden so the pair could not come back into the garden and eat from it and live forever.
2006-09-17 17:57:52 UTC
Good for you...the bible is a wellspring of knowledge and life.



God was testing the faith of Adam and Eve, even then. That is why He put the trees in the garden. He knew what they would choose, but He still gave them a choice. Obey God or don't. They chose not to. It's symbolic of all of us and our life, we have two choices. We can either choose God and obey Him or listen to satan and his lies. Because Adam and Eve chose to listen to satan instead of God, they had to pay the price of sin and that was death. We have the same choice to make today. If we choose God, we'll still physically die, but our soul will live on with Him in heaven. If we choose satan and the ways of the world, we'll still physically die, but also we will die spiritually and we will be sentenced to hell. So today God is saying, choose the Son, Jesus Christ and you will have life, choose satan and you will receive death. God has power to destroy both body and soul as He created both.



The serpent was not the same animal we know as a snake today. , before the Fall it wasn't, anyway. As a result of their sin, God cursed the physical animal (the serpent) and put it on it's belly to eat dirt all the days of it's life (this is probably the snake we know today). He then turned His anger toward satan whose spirit was in the serpent and cursed him too. Chapter 3:15 talks about this. "Seed" is referring to believers and unbelievers. In other words, God's children who are believers in Christ and the satan's children who are believers in satan. Satan could only bruise Jesus (cause Him to suffer), while Christ will bruise satan's head (destroy him).



I hope that helps...definitely ask lots of questions..that is how we all grow in faith. I'd be more concerned if someone didn't have questions. God Bless you.
rideon75
2006-09-17 17:26:25 UTC
I believe that the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil was there so that Adam and Eve had a choice to obey God or choose not to.



There are snakes that if examined show that in the past once had legs. Hoped this helped.
Joshua M
2006-09-17 17:29:30 UTC
I'm not sure bout the serpant, but I believe God placed the tree there because He wanted to see that Adam and Eve, having a free will, trusted and obeyed Him, because they believed and had faith in Him....without the tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil, how would we know that Adam and Eve were really unconditionally devoted to and believed in God.......just as we have things in our lives that we have a choice to compromise or sacrifice.
BrotherMichael
2006-09-17 17:49:52 UTC
In response to your first answerer, when he indicates that Genesis was written by ignorant, bronze age fisherman and alike, it reveals his utter ignorance of Scripture. Genesis, along with the rest of the Pentateuch was penned by Moses, one who was highly intelligent and well schooled in Egypt, under the direction of God. As you will see in the following piece, the Bible is very accurate when it comes to astronomical bodies:



"It is not commonly known that many of the Bible’s statements about astronomy went against the generally accepted teachings of the time. Undoubtedly, many of these verses would have seemed counterintuitive, and may have been difficult to believe when they were first written.



Modern science, however, has confirmed what the Bible has taught. As in all things, the Bible is absolutely correct when it teaches about the universe.

The earth is round



Consider Isaiah 40:22 which mentions the “circle of the earth.” This description is certainly fitting—particularly when the earth is viewed from space; the earth always appears as a circle, since it is round.



Curiously, many astronomy textbooks credit Pythagoras (c. 570–500 B.C.) with being the first person to assert that the earth is round. However, Isaiah is generally acknowledged to have been written in the 700s B.C.



The secular astronomers before the time of Pythagoras must have thought the Bible was wrong about its teaching of a round earth, yet the Bible was exactly right.

The earth floats in space



A very interesting verse to consider is Job 26:7 which states that God “hangs the earth on nothing.” This verse expresses (in a poetic way) the fact that the earth is unsupported by any other object—something quite unnatural for ancient writers to imagine.



Indeed, the earth does float in space. We now have pictures of the earth taken from space that show it floating in the cosmic void.

Universe expansion



The Bible indicates in several places that the universe has been “stretched out” or expanded. For example, Isaiah 40:22 teaches that God “stretches out the heavens like a curtain, and spreads them out like a tent to dwell in.” This would suggest that the universe has actually increased in size since its creation. God has stretched it out. He has expanded it (and is perhaps still expanding it).



This verse, too, must have seemed very strange when it was first written.



In fact, secular scientists once believed that the universe was eternal and unchanging. The idea of an expanding universe would have been considered nonsense to most scientists of the past. It must have been tempting for Christians to reject what the Bible teaches about the expansion of the universe. Perhaps some Christians tried to “reinterpret” Isaiah 40:22, and read it in an unnatural way so that they wouldn’t have to believe in an expanding universe.



When the world believes one thing, and the Bible teaches another, it is always tempting to think that God got the details wrong, but God is never wrong. Today, most astronomers acknowledge that the universe is indeed expanding.

The number of stars



Genesis 22:17 teaches that God would multiply Abraham’s descendants “as the stars of the heaven, and as the sand which is on the sea shore.” Genesis 32:12 makes it clear that this represents a number which is uncountable by humans: “the sand of the sea, which cannot be numbered for multitude.”



These are excellent analogies. Clearly the sand of the sea and the stars in the universe cannot be counted exactly by humans, though of course, they can be roughly estimated.



It was not always believed that the stars were so numerous. The astronomer Claudius Ptolemy (A.D. 150) cataloged 1,022 stars in his work The Almagest.



The total number of stars that can be distinctly seen (from both hemispheres under ideal, dark sky conditions) with the unaided eye is around 10,000.



Powerful telescopes today allow us to estimate that our single galaxy alone contains over 100 billion stars. And astronomers believe that there are more galaxies in the visible universe than there are stars in our own galaxy. Modern science certainly confirms Genesis 22:17.



Today, the reliability of the Bible is increasingly attacked. Can we really trust it in our modern age of technology and science?



As we have seen, science is not an enemy of the Bible. On the contrary, modern science has already confirmed much of what the Bible teaches about astronomy. Many of the biblical teachings are now accepted in science textbooks.



As AiG President Ken Ham has written so often (and which is the theme of the year for AiG in 2006), Christians need to take back those fields of science, like astronomy, which have been hijacked by evolutionists in order to promote their secular worldview.
jewel_flower
2006-09-17 17:21:06 UTC
The tree was placed there to allow freedom of choice, but it severely limited Satan's access to people. As long as they paid attention to what God said and stayed away from the tree, Satan couldn't cause them any trouble.
heresyhunter@sbcglobal.net
2006-09-17 17:20:30 UTC
Satan was not Satan until after the rebellion..before that he was lucifer



He placed the tree there because he wanted to...his ways and understnading are higher than ours...we are never going to understand everything about the nature of God..

Personally I think he put it there to see if they were going to mess up after giving them an entire world to run..
ysk
2006-09-17 17:44:06 UTC
1) Then what was man's choice? If G-d wants obidience to be the only choice, he could use angels.

2) Sort of like a small dinosaur, snake body with legs.
JOYfilled - Romans 8:28
2006-09-17 17:32:17 UTC
Congratulations on reading the Bible everyday from start to finish! I think you will find, as I did, that it was the best thing I've ever done and I keep doing it.



I don't know why God placed the Tree of knowledge of good and evil in the garden but I do know that God knows what He is doing and that He is completely trustworthy.



I also know that God did not make robots, He made human beings. Love shares and God wanted to share His love with His creation. But forced love is not love at all. Therefore our heavenly Father had to give us free will so that we could freely choose to love Him in return.



I also do not know the answer to your question regarding the serpent. How about listing your questions in a notebook as you read. I think that you will find answers to some of your questions as you read but that other questions will lose their importance as you come to know the LORD better and better.



May God bless you richly!





Check out The Father's Love Letter -



The Cry of a Father’s Heart from Genesis to Revelation



Father’s Love Letter



My Child …

You may not know me, but I know everything about you

Psalm 139:1

I know when you sit down and when you rise up Psalm 139:2

I am familiar with all your ways ……. Psalm 139:3

Even the very hairs on your head are numbered

Matthew 10:29-31

For you were made in my image ……. Genesis 1:21

In me you live and move and have your being ……. Acts 17:28

For you are my offspring ……. Acts 17:28

I knew you even before you were conceived …. Jeremiah 1:4-5

I chose you when I planned creation ……. Ephesians 1:11-12

You were not a mistake ……. Psalm 139:15-16

For all your days are written in my book ……. Psalm 139:15-16

I determined the exact time of your birth and where you would live ... Acts 17:26

You are fearfully and wonderfully made ……. Psalm 139:14

I knit you together in your mother’s womb ……. Psalm 139:13

And brought you forth on the day you were born ……. Psalm 71:6

I have been misrepresented by those who don’t know me

John 8:41-44

I am not distant and angry, but am the complete expression of love …1 John 4:18

And it is my desire to lavish my love on you ……. 1 John 3:1

Simply because you are my child and I am your Father

1 John 3:1

I offer you more than your earthly father ever could Matthew 7:11

For I am the perfect Father ……. Matthew 5:48

Every good gift that you receive comes from my hand

James 1:17

For I am your provider and I meet all your needs Matthew 6:31-33

My plan for your future has always been filled with hope

Jeremiah 29:11

Because I love you with an everlasting love ……. Jeremiah 31:3

My thoughts toward you are countless as the sand on the seashore ... Psalm 139:17-18

And I rejoice over you with singing ……. Zephaniah 3:17

I will never stop doing good to you ……. Jeremiah 32:40

For you are my treasured possession ……. Exodus 19:5

I desire to establish you with all my heart and all my soul

Jeremiah 32:41

And I want to show you great and marvelous things

Jeremiah 33:3

If you seek me with all your heart, you will find me

Deuteronomy 4:29

Delight in me and I will give you the desires of your heart

Psalm 37:4

For it is I who gave you those desires ……. Philippians 2:13

I am able to do more for you than you could possibly imagine

Ephesians 3:20

For I am your greatest encourager 2 Thessalonians 2:16-17

I am also the Father who comforts you in all your troubles

2 Corinthians 1:3-4

When you are brokenhearted, I am close to you Psalm 34:18

As a shepherd carries a lamb, I have carried you close to my heart … Isaiah 40:11

One day I will wipe away every tear from your eyes

Revelation 21:3-4

And I’ll take away all the pain you have suffered on this earth

Revelation 21:4

I am your Father and I love you even as I love my son, Jesus

John 17:23

For in Jesus my love for you is revealed ……. John 17:26

He is the exact representation of my being ……. Hebrews 1:3

And He came to demonstrate that I am for you, not against you ... Romans 8:31

And to tell you that I am not counting your sins

2 Corinthians 5:18-19

Jesus died so that you and I could be reconciled

2 Corinthians 5:18-19

His death was the ultimate expression of my love for you

1 John 4:10

I gave up everything I loved that I might gain your love

Romans 8:32

If you receive the gift of my son Jesus, you receive me

1 John 2:23

And nothing will ever separate you from my love again

Romans 8:38-39

Come home and I’ll throw the biggest party heaven has ever seen … Luke 15:7

I have always been Father and will always be Father

Ephesians 3:14-15

My question is … Will you be my child? ……. John 1:12-13

I am waiting for you ……. Luke 15:11-31



… Love Your Dad

Almighty God





Father Heart Communications Written by Barry Adams Copyright 1999

Visit the interactive website at www.FathersLoveLetter.com
Pearly Gator
2006-09-17 17:25:09 UTC
It's like heaven. God will offer you everything He has when you get there but you may not have His title. Sadly, if any of us were in the garden of Eden, we would have fallen, too. It is in our nature to have what we cannot have. Adam had the whole world, but wanted that one thing he could not have.
macrominded
2006-09-17 17:23:34 UTC
Remember everything in those early books UR reading is symbollic like a story.....each item represents something else......open your mind and really let your imagination tell you what it is really trying to say.....you will be amazed.....if UR taking it literal in any way you are missing the point.....which is why modern western religion has lost its backbone.....have fun with it and let your true inner self speak to you....it will blow your mind away
2006-09-17 17:18:32 UTC
In biblical times, people thought that the earth and heaven were all that there was... and that the earth was essentially a 'terrarium' (you might want to look that up). They thought that the sky was a solid object, called the 'firmament', and that the sun, moon, and stars were affixed to it. So, essentially, heaven is 'on the other side of the sky'.



The story of Genesis is comprised of the myths, superstitions, fairy tales and fantastical delusions of an ignorant bunch of Bronze Age fishermen and wandering goat herders, lifted from the oral traditions of other cultures, and crafted into a tale that incorporated some of their own folk tales and pseudo-history. This collection of ignorance provides the basis for the Abrahamic death cults of desert monotheism... Judaism, Christianity and Islam.



The cosmological aspects of Genesis are perfectly understandable, if you contemplate it in the proper context. At the time the bible stories were concocted, the perception was that the earth was the object and the center of creation. Why? Because they had no reason to think otherwise. Today, as we advance science, we stand upon the shoulders of all the scientists that came before. Back then there were no shoulders to stand upon... so they did the best they could with what they had... their senses and their imaginations.



* They had no concept of 'outer space', and so they conceived that in the beginning all that existed were dark waters.



* They had no concept of 'nothingness'. Remember, the concept of 'zero' wasn't invented (discovered?) until thousands of years later. With that in mind, the term 'void', as it is employed in Genesis, can not refer to 'nothingness'... it can only be applied in its alternative definition, which is 'empty'. So, the waters were dark, formless and empty (devoid of content).



* They thought that all of creation consisted of the earth and an unseen 'heaven', and they thought that the sky was a 'thing'... a substantive 'firmament' that was created by god to separate the waters and differentiate earth from heaven, when both were created.



# They had no idea that Earth was a planet, orbiting the sun.



# They had no idea that there is no firmament... that the sky is not a 'thing'.



(If you don't believe that they thought the sky was an object... a solid barrier... consider the Tower of Babel, that they were building to reach heaven. Apparently, God ALSO thought that the sky was an object, since it concerned him so much that he confounded their speech, so as to disrupt their project and keep them from reaching his domain. God must be pretty much of a dumbass, if he doesn't even know the actual configuration of the universe that he created. So much for the 'inerrant' bible.)



* They thought that the sun was a light that god had placed upon the 'firmament' to differentiate night from day.



# They had no idea that the sun is a star... the center of our solar system.



# They had no concept of 'stars' in the same sense that we understand them today.



* They had no idea that night and day were a consequence of the earth's rotation.



* They thought that the moon was a 'lesser' light that god had caused to travel across the firmament to enable man to differentiate the seasons, and provide illumination at night.



# They had no concept of the moon as a satellite.



* They thought that the stars were tiny lights that god had placed upon the firmament to provide for omens. (Some thought that the stars were 'holes' in the firmament that allowed the 'light of heaven' to shine through.)



# They had no idea that the stars were suns, just like our own sun.



# They thought the eyeball-visible planets (Mercury, Mars, Venus, Jupiter, Saturn) were 'wandering stars'.



# They had no idea that the planets were actually sun-orbiting bodies, just like earth.



* They had no idea that the earth, itself, is a planet.



# They had no clue as to the actual nature of the earth, our solar system, the place of our solar system in the galaxy... or even of the existence of our galaxy. (Up until very recently, we didn't even know that there were other galaxies. Our galaxy, when it was first known that there actually WAS a galaxy, was thought to be the whole universe.) From their perspective, the 'earth' and 'heaven' (i.e., whatever existed on the other side of the sky) represented all that there was. A terrarium.



I do not say this things to disparage what they thought back then. They were trying to do what science is trying to do today... trying to understand nature and reality. Today, we have technology and disciplined meta-procedures (scientific method) to help us extract answers from nature.



Back then, they did not.



Today, we have 'theories' to provide a consistent explanatory framework for what we are able to observe in nature, supplemented and validated by the additional information that we are able to extract from nature by means of our technology, our disciplined methods and our intellectual tools (mathematics, logic). Most of our theories are incomplete, so we continue to work on them... because we know that they are incomplete.



Back then, they did not have disciplined methods, and they did not have the technology to extract answers from nature. The only information they had access to was what they could see with their own eyeballs. There was no technological knowledge base or scientific context in which to interpret their observations, so they had to appeal to their imaginations... and the 'supernatural'... in order to make sense out of what they saw. Actually, what they really achieved was deluding themselves into thinking that they knew the truth. Amazingly, over time, this delusion has become codified, institutionalized, and incorporated... complete with franchises.



Basically, Genesis can be thought of as a 'theory', concocted by people who were constrained by lack of technology, methodology and intellectual tools... but they sure weren't constrained by lack of imagination.



Today, we try to interpret Genesis in the context of what we KNOW about the universe... galaxies, stars, planets, moons, gravity, orbits, inclination of the earth's axis, planetary rotation, etc. They problem is that Genesis can't be interpreted in terms of those things, because Genesis was written by men, based on oral traditions, and those men DID NOT KNOW about those things. They could only write about what they could see and what they could guess about the reasons that lay behind what they saw. In any event, it provided them with a mechanism to quell the innate anxiety that comes with fretting about how and why they came to be here.



They guessed wrong.



So... the cosmological aspects of Genesis require a literal interpretation... no metaphors... no allegory... no hidden meaning. The key, though, is in understanding that the literal interpretation does not lead to a description of the way things ARE... it leads to a description of the way they THOUGHT things are. It leads to a naive description of reality, concocted by people who were doing the best they could with what they had.



It is absolutely appalling, though, to realize that hundreds of millions of people, TODAY, including participants in this forum, ACTUALLY BELIEVE that this mythological nonsense is actually TRUE.





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"Myth has been needed precisely because we were not in a position to understand the universe on its own terms, through the language of natural law and direct examination of its workings on a material, rational level. Once that process of understanding is completed—and we are well on our way to achieving that—the use of myth can be discarded. Its continuing retention is already proving to be counter-productive." - Earl Doherty

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