Question:
Jews "if a man engaged in homosexual intercourse with a child under the age of 9, he is exempt from liability"?
2011-03-24 04:05:26 UTC
"This Baraita supports Rav, for it teaches that if a man engaged in homosexual intercourse with a child under the age of nine, he is exempt from liability.”

Sanhedrin 54b
Steinsaltz English edition of the Babylonian Talmud (A)
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"The Talmud also prescribes no penalty for sodomizing a very young boy. In the opinion of Rav, a very young boy is defined as less than nine years of age and, in the opinion of Shemuel, less than three (Sanhedrin 54b). This does not mean that these acts were necessarily well regarded, but it does mean that what modern Jews consider heinous sexual crimes carried no criminal penalties in these earlier Judaisms."

- Rachel Adle, professor of Modern Jewish Thought and Judaism (B)
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(A) http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=YavXAAAAMAAJ&q=This+Baraita+supports+Rav,+for+it+teaches+that+if+a+man+engaged+in+homosexual+intercourse+with+a+child+under+the+age+of+nine,+he+is+exempt+from+liability.%E2%80%9D&dq=This+Baraita+supports+Rav,+for+it+teaches+that+if+a+man+engaged+in+homosexual+intercourse+with+a+child+under+the+age+of+nine,+he+is+exempt+from+liability.%E2%80%9D&hl=en&ei=ZNM8TcirMceq8QPwmunoCA&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CCoQ6AEwAA

(B) http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=45wT3jrHkmIC&lpg=PA129&dq=%22judaism%22%20sex%20aged%20three&pg=PA130#v=snippet&q=%22The%20Talmud%20also%20prescribes%20no%20penalty%20for%20sodomizing%22&f=false
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Question: Why was Judaism so tolerant of men who raped very, very young boys?
Six answers:
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2011-03-24 07:34:53 UTC
in answer to your answer about him fisting another man's a*ss hole, I think that man is lucky, i'd let him fist me any day [:
2011-03-24 11:14:49 UTC
I watched a documentry on young boys in pakistan afew weeks ago ......where muslim men took great pleasure and pride in porking young boys .....this act of sodomy is very common in pakistan and afghanistan and nothing is done about it .......i tried to research your question but i could only find that persons from the islamic faith from the mentioned countries practice this act as a every day occurence just like having breakfast or dinner ..........as for your question i find the answer lies in the quran with mohhamed and his deflowering of young 9yr old girls ...
2011-03-24 11:34:04 UTC
Still obsessively trolling your vicious hatred of Jews, I see...

'God' your life must suck with so much negative feeding.

You're just addicted to your hate, huh?



Of course you're insinuating every Jews is doing that these days, huh?

LuLz



Why don't you attack Catholics?

They doing quite a bit of that crap THESE days.



"Why was Judaism so tolerant of men who raped very, very young boys?"

Cos powerful men made the rules.

~
Mark S, JPAA
2011-03-24 16:15:00 UTC
For those really interested in the truth, and not just some perverted sound bite:



Nine Years Old vs. Three Years Old

The Gemora cites a braisa: In the case of a sodomized male, a young male is not regarded as being on par with an old one; but regarding a sodomized animal, a young animal is equal to an old one.

The Gemora cites a dispute amongst Amoraim to explain the braisa: Rav said: In the case of a sodomized male, a male less than nine years old is not regarded as being on par with a male who is nine years old (and therefore the sodomizer will not be liable). Shmuel said: In the case of a sodomized male, a male less than three years old is not regarded as being on par with a male who is three years old,

The Gemora explains the basis of their dispute: Rav maintains that only he who is able to commit the copulative act, may, as the passive subject of a copulative act throw guilt upon the active offender; while he who is unable to commit the copulative act cannot be a passive subject of a copulative act. But Shmuel maintains: The Torah writes: the copulations of a woman. [We therefore derive that just as a copulative act with a girl of three years old has legal significance, so too regarding a male – if he is at least three years old, copulation with him will have legal significance.]



http://daf-yomi.org/english_dafyomi/sanhedrin/Sanhedrin_54.pdf





3) RELATIONS OF A MINOR

(a) (Beraisa): A boy is not considered like a man, a small animal is considered like a grown animal.

(b) (Rav): This means that we do not consider relations with a boy less than nine years old like relations with a boy above nine.

(c) (Shmuel): It means that we do not consider relations with a boy less than three like relations with a boy above three.

(d) Question: On what do they argue?

(e) Answer: Rav holds that only one who can be Shochev (i.e. a nine-year old, his Shechivah is considered relations) can be Nishkav;

1. Shmuel learns from "Mishkevei Ishah" (a boy that is Nishkav is like a girl - if a three-year old girl is Nishkeves, it is considered relations).

http://www.shemayisrael.com/dafyomi2/sanhedrin/points/sn-ps-054.htm





or, if you like:



Talmud is a very complex document to study. It can take years just to

learn how to read it. Here we have a discusion which revolves around two

Torah commands: One against Sodomites in general and another against a man

lying with a man as he would with a woman. The Rabbis break this down into

two basic kinds of Sodomy: asctive sodomy and passive sodomy. Active sdomy

is to sodomize someone else, while passive sodomy is to subject oneself to

being sodomized. The argument goes into great detail to point out that

while he who sodomizes a child below the age of nine is obviously guilty of

active sodomy he cannot be guilty of passive sodomy because the child is

not capable of actively sodomizing him. The issue is a technical issoue of

whether he is guilty of one sin or two. The passage simply means that the

man who sodomizes a child under the age of nine is only guilty of active

sodomy but not guilty of passive sodomy (allowing the child to sodomize

him) which is actually a no-brainer which we would all agree with. If the

Sodmite had committed the act with a concenting adult he would be guilty

both of active sodomy in that he had sodomized another man and passive

sodomy in allowing himself to be sodomized.



This is just one example of how anti-semites take Talmud passages out of

context. This passage is often quoted out of context by anti-semites to

falsely make people think that Jews advocate sodomizing children below the

age of nine. The goal is to cause people to hate Jews. The Nazis of

Germany quoted the same passage out of context with the same goal, to cause

people to hate Jews and in this case to think that Jews sodmize young

children.



This is just sick and propogated by sick hateful anti semites.



There is no place for such sick propaganda.



You did not get this passage from studying the Talmud because had you done

so you could plainly see that you were quoting it out of context.

(actually you misquoted it also). Unless you deliberately took it out of

context.



I can only reach one of two conclusions. Either:



1. You read the Talmud and DELIBERATELY took it out of context. or:



2. You got it by studying anti-Semitic literature through which this

out-of context passage can be traced back at least to Nazi Germany.



Now feel free to make me best answer and then add derogatory comments.
2011-03-24 11:08:17 UTC
Because every grown men needs a catamite.
Murphy Hurley
2011-03-24 15:47:53 UTC
Hannah, can I fist you?


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