Nous said education reduces religious conviction. We know certainly the opposite?

Question

Sorry Weber, Durkheim, and Marx: Educated Evangelicals Are More Religious
Pew finds that Christians actually don’t lose their faith in college.

http://www.christianitytoday.com/news/2017/april/pew-more-education-less-religion-christians-secularization.html

Answer 1

Umm, @Nous doesn't have a clue, only unfounded unsupported illogical irrational fabricated (sometimes corroborated) OPINION. As one of the most active persons on this board, almost never a fact. Or are you another cop-out that's only looking for more OPINION? It's not my responsibility for you to find truth any more than my responsibility to prove/disprove your claims; it is yours by burden of proof of your claims whether innuendo, ignorance, you fail w/o support, same as @Nous.



Atheists actually believe the nonsense they have been spoon fed or want to believe so badly they have become willfully stupid and are blind to how nonsensical atheism and evolution are. That's called indoctrination; it leads to delusion by willfully ignoring/denying the evidence and relying on unfounded unsupported OPINION.



In some sense, we are all indoctrinated initially, trusting our peers and having faith in their responsibility to truth, whatever the subject. But our own responsibility overcomes indoctrination when we mature and accept that responsibility in truth to confirm it. Atheists don’t normally take this last step of confirming what they’ve been taught or there wouldn't be any atheists. Christians are used to confirming the Bible and our belief, and do confirm the facts in evidence of our belief, and are consistent with our belief; atheists are not consistent, and cling to a view that requires mindless matter to work miracles, such as causing life to arise from non-living materials and intelligence to come from non-intelligence.



Atheists actually believe the nonsense they have been spoon fed or want to believe so badly they have become willfully stupid and are blind to how nonsensical atheism and evolution are. That's called indoctrination; it leads to delusion by willfully ignoring/denying the evidence and relying on unfounded unsupported OPINION.



Every child by the age of 4 or 5 years is a creationist.. Not because of any indoctrination, just because of ordinary play.. Playing with blocks to build a house, sand castles on the beach, a fort in the back yard, using a bed sheet to make a tent...



By these simple play activities children at that young age intuitively understand the concept of creation... They may not be able to state it in pure scientific terms, but they get it.



The average five year old knows intuitively that God is. It takes years of indoctrination by the Government School System and the mass media to drive this understanding out of a minority. . Lest we forget that the majority of those who convert to atheism do it between the ages of 12 and 15, the rebellious teen years, when the areas of their brain that deal with critical thinking, understanding long and short term consequences and impulse control have not yet fully developed.



Of that small percentage (about 20% of those enrolled in the Public School System) about 70 to 80% will convert back to theism as adults when their brains have been fully developed and they have lived in the real world for a while..



Notice the pattern, teens who's brains are not yet developed to the point they can make an informed decision convert from theism to atheism. Adults with fully developed brains and experience in the real word convert from atheism to theism.. That alone sends a pretty powerful message.



That creation deniers don't get it when a 4 or 5 year old does get it should be a source of embarrassment! Seriously, the average 5 year old has a better grasp of reality than the typical atheist! ROFL

Answer 2

Yes because Christianity Today is an unbiased and reliable source. Why is it that every other study shows that education reduces religiosity? The problem is the type of education.



College educated Christians tend to have easy degrees in things like business, education, computers or art. Whereas college educated atheists tend to have harder degrees in things like biology, physics, chemistry or mathematics.



When you look at science majors, more are likely to be atheist or become atheist. The science majors that remain religious are almost always from unaccredited schools.

Answer 3

Real and complete data shows the reality of the trend that education does REDUCE religious fervor.



The "study" (if we can call it that...) you quote is flawed, because it only takes into account those who are still believers. Suppose that you have, say, a mormon who started going to college. At some point in his studies, he realizes that Joseph Smith was nothing but a fraudster, and that there is no god. So he drops out of religion when he gets his degree. Will he be listed in the "mormons with college degree for who religion is important"? No, he will not be listed as a mormon AT ALL.



That is the flaw of the claim: pre-selection of the sample. And the conclusion cannot be anything but flawed as well.



But if you want to believe that garbage, be our guest. Just be aware that deluding yourself into believing something will not make it so.

Answer 4

Do we really need a genius to inform us that paying people vast sums of money to kiss the proverbial ring and receive a worthless 'pass' into secular life surrounded by know-it-alls dedicated to a vision of 'progress' that includes contributing to an inescapable arms race, maintaining weapons of mass destruction, dreaming of escape out into an endless, lifeless, airless, waterless abyss while pervasively poisoning the planet and 'spinning' mega-deaths from easily preventable lethal sexual diseases and cancers into 'modern enlightenment' is going to 'reduce religious conviction?' That should be obvious to even the biggest dolt.



Genuine education accessible to all equally without ring-kissing and corruption, dedicated to perennially valuable skill sets, valuing impartial treatment, economic equality, redemption from lives of depravity and sin and offering a path and vision of eternal life; that would be the basis of the original 'university' system and all true 'higher education.'



Not surprising, that enhances 'religious conviction' and also returns us from the brink of delusional insanity and burgeoning psychopathy.

Answer 5

First of all, this article is from a Christian website. If you were truly interested in real statistics, you'd look at websites without a bias in one direction or another. Second, this is a statement of your opinion, not an actual question. Third, on a global scale, there have been MANY studies done about education and religion: areas of the world that are more populated with religious people are actually areas that lack education.

Answer 6

PSEUDOEDUCATION, PSEUDOSCIENCE, I took all that FORCED brainwashing for 8to 10 years. It's amazing ANYBODY gets free. It's gotta be GRACE!!

Answer 7

Had you bothered to read the Pew article all the way down to the 4th paragraph, you might have forgone the embarrassment of having cited them as proof:



"Looking at the U.S. public as a whole, however, the answer to the question of whether more education is correlated with less religion appears to be yes. Among all U.S. adults, college graduates are considerably less likely than those who have less education to say religion is “very important” in their lives: Fewer than half of college graduates (46%) say this, compared with nearly six-in-ten of those with no more than a high school education (58%).



Highly educated Americans also are less inclined than others to say they believe in God with absolute certainty and to pray on a daily basis. And, when asked about their religious identity, college graduates are more likely than others to describe themselves as atheists or agnostics (11% of college grads vs. 4% of U.S. adults with a high school education or less)."



http://www.pewforum.org/2017/04/26/in-america-does-more-education-equal-less-religion/



Interestingly, in the US, Religious minorities tend to be much more highly educated than Christians.

http://www.pewforum.org/2016/12/13/how-religious-groups-differ-in-educational-attainment/

Answer 8

Proper education eliminates religious belief altogether but indoctrination masquerading as education can have the opposite effect by increasing the severity of delusional belief.

Answer 9

You do realize that Pew didn't break that down by secular vs religious institution or degree types. There have been many studies that show a tendency to loss faith with higher education, especially in the hard sciences.



Edit:

Of course, we need to remember that studies like this are tendencies, highly dependant on what is being looked at and how and do not apply to a single individual .

Answer 10

NOT TRUE AT ALL...LARGE CHURCHES HAVE VERY EDUCATED PASTORS....DOCTORATES...MY CHURCH HAS 4000 MEMBERS AND WE HAVE GOOD PASTORS WELL TRAINED.

Answer 11

rtainly the opposite?



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Answer 12

Why even bother to make such a ridiculous post? It was not I who made a claim but UNIVERSITY RESEARCH which is factual and been done many times!



Research has shown atheists have a higher intelligence than people with a strong religious faith. The difference is 5.8 points according to findings in developmental psychology!



More members of the "intellectual elite" considered themselves atheists than the national average.



Only 7 per cent of members of the American National Academy of Sciences believed in God. Whilst only 3.3 per cent believed in God in the UK’s Royal Society.



Several Gallup poll studies of the general population have shown that those with higher IQ’s tend not to believe in God."



Neuroscientists have conducted the most comprehensive brain mapping to date of the cognitive abilities measured by the Wechsler Adult Intelligence Scale (WAIS), the most widely used intelligence test in the world.



The results show that the various factors that comprise a high or low IQ score

depend on particular regions of the brain.



The WAIS test is composed of four indices of intelligence, each consisting of several subtests, which together produce a full-scale IQ score. The four indices are the verbal comprehension index, which represents the ability to understand and to produce speech and use language; the perceptual organization index, which involves visual and spatial processing, such as the ability to perceive complex figures; the working memory index, which represents the ability to hold information temporarily in mind (similar to short-term memory); and the processing speed index.



With the exception of processing speed, which appears scattered throughout the brain, the lesion mapping showed that the other three cognitive indices really do depend on specific brain regions.



For example, lesions in the left frontal cortex were associated with lower scores on the verbal comprehension index; lesions in the left frontal and parietal cortex (located behind the frontal lobe) were associated with lower scores on the working memory index; and lesions in the right parietal cortex were associated with lower scores on the perceptual organization index.



The study also revealed a large amount of overlap in the brain regions responsible for verbal comprehension and working memory, which suggests that these two now-separate measures of cognitive ability may actually represent the same type of intelligence, at least as assessed using the WAIS.



It matters not if they are atheist because of this new type of intelligence or get it because they are atheist – it is a totally different and far more efficient

process!!



You should also realise that Pew News reports Christianity is shrinking with a corresponding rise in atheism!



Five times as many Americans in 2014 said they never prayed compared to those asked the same question in the 1980s

Answer 13

Your reading comprehension sucks. They asked people who retained their faith if they retained their faith... the ones who didn't aren't included in the sample. It's selection bias.

Answer 14

Your source is a Xian web site? Thank you for proving his point, dumbass.

Answer 15

um....since I am not a Reader of Souls, I cannot say for sure. But it may be more related to young adults experimenting with sexuality....whether they are in college or not, there is a certain guilt that keeps the soul away from the sacred when the body wants the mundane and secular.



Statistics: you must be careful in the interpretation.

Answer 16

that depends on how deep your religious convictions are. When I first became a Christian my faith in God was weak - so college almost destroyed my faith in God. Now my faith in God is stronger and college is not able to destroy my faith in God.