Question:
Did "God" create sin by creating rules?
anonymous
1970-01-01 00:00:00 UTC
Did "God" create sin by creating rules?
36 answers:
Myaloo
2007-01-17 07:26:23 UTC
Perhaps they were both in existence together. Creating the tree was simply creating a portal so that his creation could see the opposing side,perhaps.

I honestly do not know.

If this was true,then still,why would God expose his humans to such a thing?
?
2007-01-17 07:32:08 UTC
yes, he did
anonymous
2007-01-17 07:29:44 UTC
makes sense
chico2149
2007-01-17 07:28:58 UTC
The "laws" show man's weakness and sin. To answer your question, yes. I am becoming more and more aware of people thinking about self over whole in our society and wonder if that is what is leading to us sliding back to the level of the rest of the world. We were the strongest society in the History of the world at one time (the Roman Empire also). And now we do not produce the best products, our athletes use to be the best hands down and are not any longer (the hunger is not there), our military is the strongest and best trained but is held back into extended wars by politics (which in many ways by not going full out may actually lead to more deaths in the long run)....we do not want to follow rules we only thing about self as a whole....
anonymous
2007-01-17 07:28:32 UTC
He created sin not by creating the rules but by creating rules that were in direct contradiction to the instincts that he gave us. He made us a curious species so we could develop,learn and advance and then creates rules that says there are things we are directly forbidden to know,such as the tree. He made us a species with a strong sexual urge,like all his creations,so that we could multiply and prosper and then supposedly demanded that we constantly stifle that urge and filter it through a long list of dictates and restrictions. The list goes on and on but that's it in a nutshell as I see it,if of course you believe that sort of thing. Not to mention the question remains as to why he released a being who is arguably the second most powerful and influencial being into the universe into the Garden to tempt his most ignorant naive creation in the first place. If he knows everything then he knows that he in fact orchestrated the fall of mankind.



AD
Militant Agnostic
2007-01-17 07:20:10 UTC
God didn't make rules - organized religion did so they could control the minds of their followers.
wacky_racer
2007-01-17 07:37:43 UTC
Well, sin is for people who are sinless but for people who are living into it is a sin no more.... kidding only. :o)



The tree has many meaning to other people... the root, the trunk, the fruit and others, and as I mentioned them, their meaning flashes by. So, the tree as given, is a life and the fruit is its copy in its primitive form. What ever its outcome, will be. So, there we are about tree. It is the tree that is desirable because it has the fruit.



But God, made some rules to follow and if you did not obey it, it may mean something else but as it is, it becomes sin.



And in the the Glory of God, there is no sin but rules to follow which is 'the light.' Know what I mean? To erase the 'darkness', we need it to cast light into it to glow.



Peace.
anonymous
2007-01-17 07:37:35 UTC
well this is what happened...............in the book of genisis it starts out by saying in the beggining.................so everything was going right but satan triked eve into eating from the prohibited fruit....now u said WHY THEN DID OD CREATE THE FORBIDEN TREE?well the anwer is that because god wanted to see if they would be obediant to his eyes.............it was a very small task to complete but..that sin is what transmitted sins to every person alive.......
Art
2007-01-17 07:33:02 UTC
Fist off-Great question--The Adam and Eve story is pure bologna,people do not know how to explain something (like where we came from) so they just make up some silly story and then brainwash their kids and their kids-kids and so on and so forth..This cycle of ignorance just keeps on because some people refuse the use their brains and instead look for all of the answers in some 2000year old book...What is the world coming to..............sad.......so sad
ÜFÖ
2007-01-17 07:21:15 UTC
I think God created evil simply by making the tree. He had the choice to give a real paradise, one in which there are no rules to break.
benbug7
2007-01-17 07:35:15 UTC
the theory says that God created the garden, and gave man unlimited hand in the garden other than eating the forbidden tree. The theory does not discuss God eating from the same tree...Now, i would like to give you the priviledge to see through Gods eye, if you had the power to create the world, comprehensively with the future and the past, wouldnt you be in a position to know exactly what would happen within the tick of the next second...God definately knew what options man would take and the consequencies of the same which he however gave man the options of bitting into the fruit or eating out of all the fruits and having eterninty. He did not force man to eat it, just as he does not force you to sin. And, even after eating from the tree, man did not become like God did he, i would say that everything that became known to him, was the subsequent damage to the flesh. Could be this knowledge, can be effectively sustained only in another form....God already knew the future, but it was up to man to change it with positivity...for it is only positivity that can surfice any looming perils....Man ate the fruit, and as a result, it is man who sins....God is infinitely holy, infinitely good and immeasurably generous...and so is his wrath, wisdom and love
anonymous
2016-03-29 05:32:08 UTC
I believe God created Satan who provokes people to sin or miss the mark of perfection. In this regard he is responsible for sin. He also created people who sin or miss the mark of perfection. Man is made in God's image. It is illogical to try to create logic out of any of this. How would we know? Jesus said before Abraham was, I am . We read elsewhere that Jesus learned obedience by the things he suffered. Why would Jesus need to learn obedience through suffering ? The son of god must learn to obey his Father and he was called the first of many brethren. Christians are called little Christs. Some of these questions focus on premises which are unique to your concept of the Christian God. Is sin a bad thing? Not if it brings about the realization that God should be obeyed. Remember she who is forgiven much, loves( God) much? So somehow the ability to choose to miss the mark is capable of provoking greater love for the Father or God. Who would any teacher need to give a test on any subject? How do we teach our own children as they grow? You let them make mistakes so they are confident in choosing wisely in the future as they grow into young adults. You would not give the same freedom to a toddler who might reach and touch a hot stove. It is presumption to assert that God is incapable of creating exactly what he wants because you don't understand the reasoning or see logic behind it. People are lunatics.Some are really dangerous lunatics. Where is the logic in creating that? Faith is not logic. It is faith. We go go off on an inane discussion about why the manufacturers of Jones soda chose to use photographs and why since no photographs on the bottle probably would not have effected product sales. Weren't they foolish to go to all that trouble? Well, we don't know really if the photographs add to the marketing value. There is no way to study this or perform the research. The same is true of this question. How many angels can dance on the head of a pinhead? I guess we will never really know.
impossble_dream
2007-01-17 07:38:24 UTC
In a sense yes. God could have just as easily created us to be fully obedient, didn't need to give us something that could encourage us to disobey, but He didnt, why? I believe it's because He wanted us to consciously choose or reject Him. Can love be true when there are no other options? Does peace mean the same thing, if everything is always peaceful? Can we learn to help eachother if none of us struggle? How could we appreciate what is good if we are never exposed to bad? I think all these things and more, factor into why God chose to give us free will.
Preacher
2007-01-17 07:37:32 UTC
Satan is the author of sin. God set boundaries for Adam and Eve. I cannot explain why God put the tree of good and evil in the garden except to say that it had to exist in order to provide balance in God's overall plan. Everything that is contained in the Old Testament is there to lead up to the coming of Christ in the New Testament. Evil had to be in the world in order for Christ to come and fulfill his mission. In God's infinite wisdom this is the way he saw fit to establish things. Forget this idea of multiple gods---that's mythology which has no foundation in truth. Chinese philosophy sounds good on the surface, but it has no depth to it, meaning it comes to no conclusion. Salvation must always be the conclusion of any sound system of philosophy, and if Christianity can be termed as philosophy (which I think that it can be if presented in the right way) then Christianity is the only true philosophy because only Christianity includes a logical end for believing in it. All other systems end with death, whereas Christianity goes on indefinitely for the believer. As far as the consequence for disobedience, death is the only logical conclusion. There is life and there is death, but nothing in between. Forget purgatory---it ain't in the Bible.
?
2007-01-17 07:22:42 UTC
Ultimately, there is not an answer to these questions that we can fully comprehend. We, as finite human beings, can never fully understand an infinite God (Romans 11:33-34). Sometimes we think we understand why God is doing something, only to find out later that it was for a different purpose than we originally thought. God looks at things from an eternal perspective. We look at things from an earthly perspective. Why did God put man on earth knowing that Adam and Eve would sin and therefore bring evil, death, and suffering on all mankind? Why didn’t He just create us all and leave us in Heaven where we would be perfect and without suffering? The best answer I can come up with is this: God didn’t want a race of robots who did not have a free will. God had to allow the possibility of evil for us to have a true choice of whether to worship God or not. If we never had to suffer and experience evil, would we truly know how wonderful heaven is? God did not create evil, but He allowed it. If He hadn’t allowed evil, we would be worshipping Him out of obligation, not by a choice of our own free will.
Danual B
2007-01-17 07:30:51 UTC
God didn't create sin or evil but He created people with a choice thus he created the potential of evil and sin but also the potential of good and love. This is the price God chose to pay for true love.
Tom :: Athier than Thou
2007-01-17 07:38:47 UTC
God may not have created evil as such. However, he could have stopped sin, but chose not to (christians agree on this - he is omnipotent so he could stop it, but not preventing it preserves free will). Therefore he must take some responsibility for causing evil, and the presence of evil.
anonymous
2007-01-17 07:33:10 UTC
The tree could have been anything.The idea I think was to give the people to walk towards or away from him.If it wasn't there we would just another creation,like a flower.Just fulfilling it's RNA nature.Not anymore then that.i think he wants us to be more like him.

Rules are just facts.Like if you drink poison you will die.It would be irresponsible Father that would not watch out for his kiddos.Evil is our choice.To do right or wrong.An who is the blame for that?
jefferyspringer57@sbcglobal.net
2007-01-17 07:52:24 UTC
Those 'rules' as you call them above are to help man avoid problems? Is 'avoiding problems' a sign of love currently by the one 'making the rules'?
Christal
2007-01-17 08:15:04 UTC
Luke 11:17



A house divided against itself will fall





God did not "set himself up"
anonymous
2007-01-17 07:30:14 UTC
Even worse, why introduce the serpent when he knew exactly what was going to happen. God traps man on purpose to introduce him as an inferior weakling who is so compounded with sin and guilt that it can never be removed. Its a complete put-down
Grace
2007-01-17 07:26:32 UTC
I like the John theme of God as light here - just as darkness and shaddow are absence of light, sin is absence of God.

God doesn't want us to be forced to follow him so he allowed absence of himself (ie sin and death etc).

He created the possibilty to sin when he created human beings with free will.
MUHAMMAD
2007-01-17 07:38:26 UTC
In this type of connection, the same relation exists, as the one we observe between cause and effect. That is, a connection, genetic and profound, which is higher than the imaginary and hypostatized one. This is because, in the hypostatized appointments, the legislator or the one possessing authority can alter it or delete it altogether. Whereas, these type of connections are not capable of accepting changes or deletions, like fire, which genetically, will burn other things, or water, which quenches thirst and like every cause which brings into existence its effect.



Indeed, sometimes, the fire does not burn but turns into a flower garden, or the water does not quench thirst. In such cases, it should be understood that the real and genetic connection has not been lifted, but another connection or another rule, which lies in the knowledge of Allàh and about which, we have no knowledge, comes into play and overrules the previous connection and brings its influence to a naught. The reality and detailed explanation of this aspect should be followed in the topic of miracle and other related topics.



Nevertheless, it can be deduced from some of the verses that the connection between the actions and its rewards and punishments is not hypostatized or nominal but higher and more profound. That is, an actual and real connection does exist. The meaning of 'an actual and real connection' is that on the Day of Resurrection, the actual actions shall manifest themselves in the form of rewards or punishments, this being described as 'Embodiment of Deeds'. Similar to a grain of wheat, which grows beneath the earth and later turns into an ear of wheat, or a seed of fruit, which becomes a fruit tree. This ear of wheat and the tree of the fruit are the same grain of wheat and the seed of the fruit, which have undergone a change of form and have manifested them in this form. In the Embodiment of Deeds, and the actions possessing an actual and real connection with its rewards and punishments, the unjust usurpation of the property of an orphan, shall grow and shall be observed in the hereafter in the form of fire. In a more lucid explanation, one who eats unjustly, the property of an orphan, right now is sending fire into his stomach, although he comprehends not, but the day when the curtains of negligence and ignorance shall move aside and the Universal Resurrection occurs, he shall witness the real outcome of his deeds, which shall be the fire. Two verses from those under consideration, for the purpose of more elucidation of this aspect is being mentioned.





“Verily, those who eat away the properties of the orphans unjustly, they swallow (only) fire into their bellies; and they shall enter into the blazing hell-fire.”



From this verse, it can be easily deduced that the fire of hell is not just a hypostatized punishment for eating the property of an orphan, but the very property itself is a meanness, which shall manifest itself in this form.





“(Remember) the day when every soul shall come, pleading for itself, and every soul shall be recompensed fully for what it has done and they will not be dealt with unjustly.”



If the connection between actions and its rewards was hypostatized and nominal, then it is possible that the reward for it may not be granted in full or that they may be oppressed, but when the previous actions manifest themselves in the form of rewards and punishments, the probability of oppression and lessening of the rewards does not exist. It is because of this that the verse says: “All that which they have done, they shall take the returns for it in full and also shall not be wronged or oppressed in the very least.”





Indeed, it is possible that, we, in the present conditions, may be ignorant about the meaning and the type of the real connection of many of our actions, with that, which has been fixed for us in the form of rewards or punishments, and which shall be given to us on the Day of Judgement. However, our ignorance cannot cause us to judge the connection between the actions and the rewards of the hereafter as being only imaginary and hypostatized.



Anyway, it appears that, the best expression which could describe the type of this connection, is the famous sentence which says:





“The world is a farm for the hereafter.”



Indeed, we are sowing the crops of our eternal lives. It is necessary that we strive to sow that which we shall need in the spring of our lives and not just pay attention to those things, which we are cultivating presently. We should not content ourselves with the sowing of one or a few trees. Only he, who is constantly involved in cultivating the best and the most harvest for the future shall attain salvation on the day of Resurrection. Of course, if man, with this conviction and hope, strives constantly, then Allàh too shall provide an increase in it, an increase that could not be possibly imagined. (ألّلهمّ ارزقنا)
anonymous
2007-01-17 07:22:08 UTC
God is the creator, God had a purpose, God set the rules. Maybe that was the whole idea and man failed.



You have a dog or cat and you say don't sit on the furniture and you come you and they are on your favorite chair putting their fleas on it, they suddenly become outdoor animals.



Who gives YOU the right to play God and decide sin!
anonymous
2007-01-17 07:21:18 UTC
No, God did not create sin. God is holy and He would not create that which is contrary to His nature. Sinfulness is the opposite of holiness. It is lawlessness (1 John 3:4). God is the author of the Law which is a reflection of His holy character (Exodus 20). Therefore, God cannot create that which is in direct violation of the Law any more than a person can wish himself to be bigger than the sun. It just isn’t possible.

But, if God didn’t create sin, then where did it come from? This is a question that has been debated by theologians and philosophers for many years. I cannot say that I have any better answers than they. Nevertheless, let me venture a guess.

God created the conditions where free will creatures would be able to make a choice between obedience and disobedience to God. This condition existed when God created an angel called Lucifer who was without sin yet, apparently, had free will. Lucifer chose to rebel against God and sin (Isaiah 14:12-15; Ezek. 28:13-15). Likewise, Adam and Eve, having been made by God without sin, listened to the devil and chose to sin against God (Gen. 3).

But God did not cause them to sin (James 1:13). In the freedom of their wills, each decided to rebel against God and sin entered the world (Rom. 5:12). God simply allowed the condition to exist where sin was possible.

An analogy can be found in the relationship between a parent and a child. A parent can create the condition that makes disobedience possible yet the parent remains innocent if the child sins. For example, if a parent tells his child to clean up his room and the child does not, he has rebelled. But, the parent is not responsible for the child’s sin, nor did he cause the child to sin. The child had a choice to obey or not to obey.

Likewise, God has created the condition in the world where the ability to rebel against Him was possible. Yet, he is not responsible for that rebellion once it has been committed. Therefore, sin originated with Lucifer who was the first to rebel and entered the world through Adam who likewise chose disobedience.
Eva
2007-01-17 07:28:07 UTC
God doesn't make the rules honey.
Antares
2007-01-17 07:21:27 UTC
Yep



On another note: why create anything if youre not going to test them?



evil isnt evil per se...its a test.



and so is good...good isnt good per se...its a test.



Like the man who receives abundant goodness throughout his life...God tests him to see if he will ever thank God for it all.



and like the man who has sinned, his test is to bow down in humbleness and ask for Gods help.



Its all a test.
anonymous
2007-01-17 07:21:13 UTC
Nope.

God’s enemies will use scripture as Satan did to tempt Christ.

They will misquote, twist or askew the truth for their agenda.

For example, Isaiah 45:7 to say God created evil.



Isaiah 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.



A deeper study will always manifest truth.



(create) “bara” in the Hebrew.

The Hebrew Poel Participle of the verb “bara” which, with “evil”, requires the rendering “bring about”.



(evil) “ra, raah” in the Hebrew, is never rendered “sin”.

God brings calamity about as the inevitable consequence of sin.

It is rendered “calamity”.



God brings about calamity because of sin.



Whenever there are so-called contradictions of God’s Word, a deeper study is always required.

This requires time and effort of the individual to delve into the truth of God’s Word.

Also, use your brain and think about it.

God cannot create true love.

True love will only manifest in a being of freewill.

In like manner God cannot create evil or righteousness, but will only manifest in beings of freewill.
A_Geologist
2007-01-17 07:21:18 UTC
Man created god, man created the rules of society thus man created sin.
anonymous
2007-01-17 07:20:18 UTC
He was just drunk and playing around with Adam and Steve. He got many laughs from watching people sin and go to Hell!
4 Shades of Blue
2007-01-17 07:23:05 UTC
no...He did not want us to be robots...so he gave us a choice(and still does) we fully know the ramifications of that choice and so did Adam and Eve. They willfully disobeyed. We have a will, and are capable of making informed choices. wasn't God's fault they screwed up.
ike
2007-01-17 07:23:28 UTC
he creat the tree to test adam,

do he got strong faith or not.



same as alcohol,pork and so on.



god created rule for us to follow,

but we obey it,that how sin created.
anonymous
2007-01-17 07:19:52 UTC
The 'rules' were created to expose mans sin.
Sean
2007-01-17 07:28:08 UTC
no, man created his own prison
Screamin' Banshee
2007-01-17 11:18:48 UTC
Sho Nuff... he did!
anonymous
2007-01-17 07:24:40 UTC
no


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