If you assume that the Holy Bible is not completely true, then how do you determine which parts are false?

Question

Since God stakes His self-disclosure upon the truthfulness of the Holy Bible and you suggest that parts of it are false, are you implying that God has lied? Are you suggesting that God did not superintend the message in what was written down by the Bible's human authors? What is the basis for your assertions? Please cite sources.

Answer 1

Great question! I look forward to reading the answers. I am one who believes in the Bible as the inerrant, infallible, preserved, inspired Word of God. Those who do not "believe" that ALL scripture is given by inspiration of God Himself (in my humble and personal opinion) very likely are not reedeemed at all, or sit under very bad teaching.

Answer 2

Well, there is the Old Testament and the New Testament. If you look at the New Testament, it's mostly just gospels, just accounts of things that happened written by people, therefore you can't expect it to have any less mistakes or exaggerations than your average text written from memory, despite its importance. If Jesus trusted the authors to be his disciples, then you have to imagine that he had faith that their words would have the proper impact.



Less is known about the Old Testament, but it's long been asserted that it was divinely inspired. For those who believe that certain parts of the Old Testament may not be true, I would guess that they believe one part or the other based on whether or not there exists any evidence to the contrary.



Personally, I believe that it was written by men, as all books are, and then copied over and over and translated again and again. I think much has been lost or changed, but I can't imagine Genesis ever resembled anything that science would agree with. I've tried to figure out what they were thinking so many thousands of years ago when they wrote these stories, but I imagine for a long time these stories were simply passed from generation to generation by the spoken word. What the story looked like in its original form, I couldn't guess.



I suppose then, I wouldn't say I think one part or another is or isn't true, I would just say I think the book as a whole is flawed, as most books are. Even if God created an original, perfect work at one time, that's not the work we have today (I mean the Bible, not the Earth :P)

Answer 3

I beleive Jesus said that no part of the law is abolished until it has served his purpose.



Of courst there have been a whole lot of twisted sociopaths with pulpits who use that to Burn witches enslave people steal there land while saying there just being converted OK. But that has nothing to DO with God.



SO your in a dessert surounded by enemies your males are getting picked off one by one, The survival rate for babies is pretty dismal and your food goes bad REALLY quick.

WELL the rules that are in Leviticus would be necessary because if the tribe dies NOW well No one would be around 2000 years late to invent the printing press and to usher in Sceince that would dispell superstition



SO those laws applied then NOT now they have fullfilled there purpose.



IT may be that the Bible and the metaphor in it has done its job, The metaphor might not reach the subconcios anymore. When that happens a Indra a Budha or a christ comes in burns the old bible and we get a new one,



one that is viable and touches the heart, in the period before the preists and the preaches Cling for dear life knowing there world will be over soon,

They call for that old time religion, there apocolypse is at hand



SO talking about a book has nothing to do with the trancendent force that some choose to call God.

Answer 4

I would suggest you consider how the source that compiled and edited the Bible recomends it be read. It's not that there are falsehoods in the Bible, just that some books (especially the ones written in the apocolyptic genre) are wrought with figurative language and conceptual symbolism. The church has long taught that....



Correct Biblical exegesis requires an understanding that the text can be considered in several senses.



Firstly there is the Literal sense (this does not imply every word be considered as literal but rather, "What is the text telling us?" "What would it be telling it's audience then?" Factoring in language, literary genre ie; law books, poetic/hymn books, apocalyptic etc. and customs)



Secondly there are 3 other senses that may be considered;



* The Allegorical sense: How the text relates to Christ.

* The Moral sense: How does the text fit into my spiritual growth.

* The Anagogical sense: How does this text relate to the future/heaven.



Also the Scriptures are to be considered in their entirety and "Christologically" ie: through the lens of Christ.



and finally any conclusions or theological precepts derived therefrom must not be in contradiction with any of the councils and creeds of Orthodoxy, anything that was would indeed be unorthodox.

Answer 5

The words spoken by Jesus are truth.



Jesus told you the truth, concerning the age of the universe, the earth and man.



Jesus in the gospel of John told you the truth concerning who man (adam) really is, who the sons of God are, who the sons of man (adam) really are. Who the Father is and who the father is.



In the gospels of Matthew and Luke Jesus told you what the truth is concerning the true commandments and laws of the Father.



It is Jesus' words that lead you to the truth within all of the bible, for all the words contained in the bible ARE NOT the words of God the Father, they are the words of Lucifer, the serpent, the father of "Darkness"



To know the truth read the 77 commandments as spoken by Jesus.

Read John 1:17-18 and John 5:37

Read John 3:14 and Numbers 21:7-9 and Rev 13:15

Read John 6:32

Read John 10:8

Read Luke 24:25

Read Rev 13:5 and Matthew 1:17

Read Numbers 1:19-20 and Rev 13:17

Read Rev 13:18 and 1 kings 10:14



These are Just some of the words (truth) Jesus spoke in his words, there are many, many more.

Answer 6

Of course the OT is part of the Christian bible. If it wasn't, Christians wouldn't have all their proof texts for their own faith. Blunt I know - but true. Christians have a view of the law that entails it being a system to show one's sins. But that is the limit of it - they do not feel that they actually need to follow the law. Which is why such things as slavery are often overlooked - or just said to be part of the OT and not really relevant anymore. But the entire basis of their faith is in the OT. Without the OT there is no Christianity. Period. Some just like to pick and choose what is convinent and then toss the rest out.

Answer 7

Since all of the stories of the bible are in the Sumerian tablets, in much greater detail than the bible, and the tablets predate any written bible by several thousand years it is a pretty good guess that the bible is not the word of god but the history of the Annunaki which were the people of the earth before they created The Adam and populated the earth with who are now us.

Answer 8

Eenie, Meenie, Minie, Moe.



The Bible is a compilation of several different books written by different people (which is why the different sections are called "Books"). There are a lot of books or scriptures which were rejected when compiling it which were written by similar types of people. The books which were included supposedly had at least three verifiable sources to assure their authenticity, and weren't considered blasphemous at the time of the compilation. So anything in the Bible was chosen by Man, not God, and anything excluded was done the same way.



Given all of this, then since it was the Church at the time which chose what they deemed was fit to be in their Bible (and therefore different versions of "The Bible" arose) and what wasn't (and some of this was arbitrary), then it could also be said that any of us can equally chose what we consider to be valid and meaningful concerning any written word.

Answer 9

I think that the bible was, at best, written by men who were inspired by God. This means that everything written down was subject to the fallibility of man and the interpretation of the various authors. Then the bible has been translated and edited dozens of times since the first words of it were written down. There's lots of room for errors to creep in because of man. So a person can easily believe that the bible isn't perfect but God is. Many people have claimed to receive God's words, and many of them contradict others. With no proof of who has and who hasn't actually received messages from God we must conclude that either God changes his mind and/or makes mistakes or that even divinely inspired messages are subject to human error because of our inability to understand God.

Answer 10

The first question to be asked, is "What text will you use?" In the translation from Greek, Hebrew and Aramaic, there is some interpretation that takes places...in spite of the best efforts of the translator. (One Bible will use: "born of a virgin" while another uses "born of a young woman". Both are correct.) Paraphrases try to get at the meaning, but there is more wiggle room here in interpretation. ("In the beginning was the word" vs. "In the beginning was the Christ", In Greek the word for "Word" is "logos". Literally, "Word")

http://www.apbrown2.net/web/TranslationComparisonChart.htm



Next question is how did the scripture we have come about? Some contend that an angel dictated the words. Others, say that was written down is the experience, people over the centuries have had with God. What is accepted as scripture is called the "canon." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biblical_canon



Lastly, and most importantly, is how do you interpret what you are reading? There are two answers. 1) There are people who have studies scripture's meaning all their lives, and you may rely on their expertise. 2) Martin Luther's reason for translating the bible, was that God may speak directly to a person through scripture. Most people find a combination of these two answers to work best for them. ( There are parts of scripture that are very clear...and others that could use some background help.)



This site, sponsored by the Australian Lutheran Church, may supply you with additional information. The following information is copied from that site.



The Lutheran Church in America adopted these seven points on Inerrancy in 1972, saying it is contrary to the sound doctrine of the scriptures:



A] to speak of errors in the Holy Scripture;

B] to hold that what according to clear biblical statements 'actually is or actually happened' may be regarded as what is not or actually did not happen;

C] to adopt uncritically and to propagate all the claims of historical criticism which often rest on or lead to an unbiblical skepticism as to the historical bases of the Christian faith;

D] to use modern knowledge as a means to judge any biblical statement and attack the authority of scripture;

E] to make faith in the inerrancy of scripture in any way depend on the human certainty attained by rational argument and demonstration;

F] to regard all statements of the Scripture as being of equal value and importance;

G] to treat the bible in such a way as though its divine authority rendered historical investigation unimportant or irrelevant.

Answer 11

Good point you've made.

People have always said one thing or another, often without actually examining the document itself...I teach that a person must go to the Bible since it is the only true source we have for the facts on which our faith rests.

ALL arguments I have ever heard boil down to this one thing: That the Almighty God was unable to preserve His words and their meanings for a few thousand years' time...that somehow puny man had actually thwarted the purposes of God!

This is, of course, an impossibility.

Answer 12

Very easy to know which parts of the Bible(s) are true: If it sounds as if Jesus Christ actually said it, or would approve of it, He probably did, or it is True. If not, He did not.



Read and believe I Thes 5:19-21 and then John 16:7-16 and then John 20:30-31 and then John 21:25



There are two types of serious Theological errors:

1. Those who believe 100% of the Bible is fully correct and "the Word of God".

2. Those who believe that nothing in the Bible is true.



The progressive, God-loving, Spirit of Truth (Jesus here with us) loving Christian is given the spiritual liberty by Jesus to wisely pick and choose what is true in all multimedia. (To be an Spirit of God-led eclectic exegete.)



Peace and progress in Spirit and in Truth !

Answer 13

Actually, though all of the Bible is inspired by God, the New Testament and the teachings of Christ trump the Old Testament. One example is that the Old Testament teaches that a man must be circumcised in order to be pleasing to God, and in the New Testament Jesus says that circumcision will not make you more pleasing to God than an uncircumcized man who loves God. But the point is that before the coming of Christ, following the laws of the Old Testament were in fact prrof of one's willingness to follow the Will of God, which is a way of showing love for God. But Jesus Gave us the 2 geatest Commandments To Love God and to love our neighbors.

Answer 14

I assume that the whole book is false.



Of course people may have written stories,but that is all they are-stories.



There is no documented proof that God,Jesus or any of the other contents ever existed,or are true.



But if people wish to live their lives,using the bible as guidance,and no laws are being broken,or people getting hurt,then good luck to them.



As long as people do not pester myself or my family,they can believe in whatever they like.

Answer 15

i dont think a new bible should be written. the bible is a holy book. you cant make a new one. we should just stuy the bible and look for further meanings and understandings. god said that was the only tool we needed. so we shouldnt make a new one. and i, too, believe that everything in the bible is true.

Answer 16

I have no sources, I just have my own knowledge. I think that with the second coming of Christ, whenever it may be, that a new Bible should be written. Because, it may sound cliche, but the Bible is outdated. It says that men should be able to rule their wives? What is that? Society has changed, so I believe that a new version of the Bible should be written. Hopefully Jesus pops down sometime soon.

Answer 17

1) Since God stakes His self-disclosure upon the truthfulness of the Holy Bible



God does no such thing.





Jim, http://www.BibleChooser.com

Answer 18

It still amazes me that people are SO ignorant concerning the truth the Bible has to offer. Nikki is a very sad case in point. The Bible is true whether we understand it or not.

Answer 19

The word of God Is not only true, It's Life giving...

Answer 20

I was just writing this question myself. I can't understand how they choose which bits of the bible have got to be adhered to and be defended and which bits can be ignored and swept aside, either they follow it or they don't in my mind.

Answer 21

Well, if I read a harry potter book, I can see that it is entirely fake.

Now if I read the bible, I can also see that it is entirely fake.



Now let's use some sense.. what does this tell the world?

They are both... childrens books! :D

Answer 22

Whatever parts support a person's personal opinions are true for that person. Whaterver parts do not support a person's personal opinions are false for that person.



It's all very subjective.

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Answer 23

Well, I think (so it must obviously be right lol) that the Bible was just written by men to reassure themselves that death isn't so bad.

Answer 24

you just have to go and check the original one: The Tanaj in hebrew and the Brit Hadasha in Greck or Hebrew. It's not that hard

Answer 25

Thats easy. The book is Corrupt! we have been telling you that 1400 years, thats why the Quran was sent down.



My evidence is as follows, and bear in mind that God does not make mistakes ;)



God good to all, or just a few?



PSA 145:9 The LORD is good to all: and his tender mercies are over all his works.



JER 13:14 And I will dash them one against another, even the fathers and the sons together, saith the LORD: I will not pity, nor spare, nor have mercy, but destroy them.



[Editor's note: Some readers have raised an objection to this alleged contradiction. They point out that PSA 145:20 states that The Lord keeps all who love Him, but that He will destroy the wicked. In other words, some see no contradiction between "The Lord is good to all" and JER 13:14. Others contend, however, that even if the Lord destroys the wicked he could do so with compassion, pity, and mercy. Further, there are biblical examples that indicate that the Lord is not necessarily "good" or merciful--even to those who are not wicked. One such example is Job. As one reader points out, "If Psalm 145:9 was not a contradiction of Psalm 145:20 or Jeremiah 13:14, it would read something like this: "The LORD is good to all, except the wicked: and his tender mercies are over all his works, except when He is punishing the wicked." In any case, the idea that the Lord is good and merciful is contradicted by countless examples in the Bible where God orders the destruction of infants, personally kills David's infant child, etc.]



War or Peace?



EXO 15:3 The LORD is a man of war: the LORD is his name.



ROM 15:33 Now the God of peace be with you all. Amen.



Who is the father of Joseph?



MAT 1:16 And Jacob begat Joseph the husband of Mary, of whom was born Jesus, who is called Christ.



LUK 3:23 And Jesus himself began to be about thirty years of age, being (as was supposed) the son of Joseph, which was the son of Heli.



Who was at the Empty Tomb? Is it:



MAT 28:1 In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre.



MAR 16:1 And when the sabbath was past, Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James, and Salome, had bought sweet spices, that they might come and anoint him.



JOH 20:1 The first day of the week cometh Mary Magdalene early, when it was yet dark, unto the sepulchre, and seeth the stone taken away from the sepulchre.



Is Jesus equal to or lesser than?



JOH 10:30 I and my Father are one.



JOH 14:28 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.



Which first--beasts or man?



GEN 1:25 And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

GEN 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.



GEN 2:18 And the LORD God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him.

GEN 2:19 And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof.



The number of beasts in the ark



GEN 7:2 Of every clean beast thou shalt take to thee by sevens, the male and his female: and of beasts that are not clean by two, the male and his female.



GEN 7:8 Of clean beasts, and of beasts that are not clean, and of fowls, and of every thing that creepeth upon the earth, GEN 7:9 There went in two and two unto Noah into the ark, the male and the female, as God had commanded Noah.



How many stalls and horsemen?



1KI 4:26 And Solomon had forty thousand stalls of horses for his chariots, and twelve thousand horsemen.



2CH 9:25 And Solomon had four thousand stalls for horses and chariots, and twelve thousand horsemen; whom he bestowed in the chariot cities, and with the king at Jerusalem.



Is it folly to be wise or not?



PRO 4:7 Wisdom is the principal thing; therefore get wisdom: and with all thy getting get understanding.



ECC 1:18 For in much wisdom is much grief: and he that increaseth knowledge increaseth sorrow.



1CO 1:19: "For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent."



Human vs. ghostly impregnation



ACT 2:30 Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne;



MAT 1:18 Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, be

Answer 26

Who are you to put words in God's mouth?

Answer 27

the bible is the only real and true book

never been changed, never been corrected or redone

books change, writers change but the bible is the only true book that doesnt get old, never boring

Answer 28

I am for the 'all or nothing' here, and my planet is round, not square.

Answer 29

All the Bible is true. There are no false parts.