Question:
can i get a brief overview of the Christian ictha symbol?
Cathy O
2006-05-06 10:43:55 UTC
college student asked me if this fish symbol originated with Darwin!?!!? He was really surprised when i told him Darwin was a minister of God's word and would have never made so light of a Christian symbol. modern "intellectuals" put feet on the ictha to show support for his theory.
Eight answers:
thejokker
2006-05-06 10:48:34 UTC
Ichthys



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesus_fish



Christian



It is believed that societies of Christians in the early Roman Empire, prior to the Edict of Milan, protected their congregations by keeping their meetings secret. In order to point the way to ever-changing meeting places, they developed a symbol which adherents would readily recognize, and which they could scratch on rocks, walls and the like, in advance of a meeting. Another story suggests that the ichthys was used as a sort of secret handshake: one person would draw with a staff a single curve, (half of the ichthys) in the sand, and another person could confirm their identity as a Christian by completing the symbol. Alternatively, one would draw the symbol, and another person would confirm their faith by drawing an eye on it.



There are several hypotheses as to why the fish was chosen. A probable explanation is that it is a reference to the scripture in which Jesus miraculuously feeds 5000 people with fish and bread (Matthew 14:15-21, Luke 9:12-17, and John 6:4-13). The ichthys may also relate to Jesus or his disciples as "fishers of men" (e.g., Mark 1:17), and may be an acronym of the Greek letters ΙΧΘΥΣ (Iota Chi Theta Upsilon Sigma) to the statement of Christian faith "᾿Ιησοῦς Χριστὸς Θεοῦ Υἱὸς Σωτήρ" (Iēsous Christos Theou Huios Sōtēr: "Jesus Christ, Son of God, Savior"). Tertullian, in his treatise On Baptism, makes a pun on the word, writing that "we, little fishes, after the example of our Icqus [ΙΧΘΥΣ] Jesus Christ, are born in water" (§1). Some sources also suggest that fish symbol was chosen because the Hebrew pronunciation of "Christ" is very similar to that of "fish" in Hebrew.



Though there is no direct evidence, the ichthys may simply be an adaptation of the mystic/mathematical symbol known as the Vesica Piscis. The length-height ratio of the vesica piscis, as expressed by the mystic and mathematician Pythagoras, is 153:265, a mystical number known as "the measure of the fish." In a biblical story in which Jesus aids his disciples to catch fish, they catch exactly 153 fish (John 21:11).



Some theories about the Historicity of Jesus suggest that Christianity adopted certain beliefs and practices as a syncretism of certain mystery religions, and this may be the origin of the Icthys into Christian circles. However, there is very little evidence of such mystery religions surfacing until after the rise of Christianity. Others posit that the Babylonian myth of Ichthys, or other similar pagan myths were adopted by Christianity, and with them the icthys sign.



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http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/06083a.htm



mong the symbols employed by the primitive Christians, that of the fish ranks probably first in importance. While the use of the fish in pagan art as a purely decorative sign is ancient and constant, the earliest literary reference to the symbolic fish is made by Clement of Alexandria, born about 150, who recommends his readers (Paedagogus, III, xi) to have their seals engraved with a dove or a fish. Clement did not consider it necessary to give any reason for this recommendation, from which it may be safely be inferred that the meaning of both symbols was unnecessary. Indeed, from monumental sources we know that the symbolic fish was familiar to Christians long before the famous Alexandrian was born; in such Roman monuments as the Capella Greca and the Sacrament Chapels of the catacomb of St. Callistus, the fish was depicted as a symbol in the first decades of the second century.



The symbol itself may have been suggested by the miraculous multification of the loaves and fishes or the repast of the seven Disciples, after the Resurrection, on the shore of the Sea of Galilee (John 21:9), but its popularity among Christians was due principally, it would seem, to the famous acrostic consisting of the initial letters of five Greek words forming the word for fish (Ichthys), which words briefly but clearly described the character of Christ and His claim to the worship of believers: Iesous Christos Theou Yios Soter, i.e. Jesus Christ, Son of God, Saviour. (See the discourse of Emperor Constantine, "Ad coetum Sanctorum" c. xviii.) It is not improbable that this Christian formula originated in Alexandria, and was intended as a protest against the pagan apotheosis of the emperors; on a coin from Alexandria of the reign of Domitian (81-96) this emperor is styled Theou Yios (Son of God).



The word Ichthys, then, as well as the representation of a fish, held for Christians a meaning of the highest significance; it was a brief profession of faith in the divinity of Christ, the Redeemer of mankind. Believers in this mystic Ichthys were themselves "little fishes", according to the well-known passage of Tertullian (De baptismo, c. 1): "we, little fishes, after the image of our Ichthys, Jesus Christ, are born in the water".



The association of the Ichthys with the Eucharist is strongly emphasized in the epitaph of Abercius, the second century Bishop of Hieropolis in Phrygia (see INSCRIPTION OF ABERCIUS), and in the somewhat later epitaph of Pectorius of Autun. Abercius tells us on the aforesaid monument that in his journey from his Asiatic home to Rome, everywhere on the way he received as food "the Fish from the spring, the great, the pure", as well as "wine mixed with water, together with bread". Pectorius also speaks of the Fish as a delicious spiritual nurture supplied by the "Saviour of the Saints". In the Eucharistic monuments this idea is expressed repeatedly in the pictorial form; the food before the banqueters is invariably bread and fish on two separate dishes. The peculiar significance attached to the fish in this relation is well brought out in such early frescoes as the Fractio Panis scene in the cemetery of St. Priscilla, and the fishes on the grass, in closest proximity to the baskets containing bread and wine, in the crypt of Lucina. (See SYMBOLISM OF THE EUCHARIST.)



The fish symbol was not, however, represented exclusively with symbols of the Eucharist; quite frequently it is found associated with such other symbols as the dove, the anchor, and the monogram of Christ. The monuments, too, on which it appears, from the first to the fourth century, include frescoes, sculptured representations, rings, seals, gilded glasses, as well as enkolpia of various materials. The type of fish depicted calls for no special observation, save that, from the second century, the form of the dolphin was frequently employed. The reason for this particular selection is presumed to be the fact that, in popular esteem, the dolphin was regarded as friendly to man.



Besides the Eucharistic frescoes of the catacombs a considerable number of objects containing the fish-symbol are preserved in various European museums, one of the most interesting, because of the grouping of the fish with several other symbols, being a carved gem in the Kircherian Museum in Rome. On the left is a T-form anchor, with two fishes beneath the crossbar, while next in order are a T-form cross with a dove on the crossbar and a sheep at the foot, another T-cross as the mast of a ship, and the good shepherd carrying on His shoulders the strayed sheep. In addition to these symbols the five letters of the word Ichthys are distributed round the border. Another ancient carved gem represents a ship supported by a fish, with doves perched on the mast and stern, and Christ on the waters rescuing St. Peter.



After the fourth century the symbolism of the fish gradually disappeared; representations of fishes on baptismal fonts and on bronze baptismal cups like those found at Rome and Trier, now in the Kircherian Museum, are merely of an ornamental character, suggested, probably by the water used in baptism.
2016-03-14 15:44:47 UTC
Also known as the knot of truth, it was rejected because it was, like the cross, a pre-Christian symbol. The cross caught on as the symbol of sacrifice, while the pentacle, just didn't catch on. It is believed that that was due the the Christians never being able to divorce the symbol it's older meaning. Other such symbols, like depicting god as having three faces or the apostles as animals also lost popularity because they looked too Pagan. Remember, Christianity was once the new kid in town and it took them a while to develop a way of doing things that was their own. They borrowed and tried on all kinds of things. Not everything worked. It's hard to build a religion from the ground up and it didn't happen in a vacuum. But ultimately the reason the cross stayed and the pentacle did not is the same reason its Istanbul not Constantinople; People just liked it better that way.
southernserendipiti
2006-05-06 10:52:03 UTC
The Greek word for fish is "ixthus" or "icthus." The Christian fish symbol that many Christians place on their car is known as the “ixthus.” Five Greek letters form the word “ixthus,” and those letters inside the fish form an acrostic which is a message that Christians clearly identified with. The first letter represented the word Jesus. The second letter represented the word Christ, the next two, God Son, and the final letter represented the word Savior. This adds up to “Jesus Christ is God’s Son, the Savior.” During early Christianity, Christians were often put to death for practicing their faith, so they worshiped in secret places. A fish painted on the outside door of a house let other Christians know that they would be safe and welcome inside. The Christian fish symbol is now often used to identify Christians and/or Christian businesses.
just me
2006-05-06 10:51:01 UTC
I believe what you are referring to is the fish symbol "icthus"



I found this meaning of icthus on a web site:



The fish is an ancient Christian symbol known from the 1st century catacombs in Rome. The first literary reference to a fish as a Christian symbol is from Clement of Alexandria (born c. 150) in Paedogogus, III, xi. During times of persecution, early Christians would scratch a fish symbol on the ground as a means to distinguish friend from foe. The symbol itself may have come from the miraculous story of the loaves and fishes (John 6:1-13) or from the meal of fish Jesus shared with His disciples at the Sea of Galilee after the Resurrection (John 21:1-13). I prefer, however, the interpretation that it came from the story of the coin found by Simon Peter in the mouth of the fish (Matthew 17:24-27). The story may be seen as a metaphor for the free gift given to us by Jesus through his atoning death - our salvation.



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byhisgrace70295
2006-05-06 11:05:02 UTC
It serves both as a symbol and a reminder of two Biblical events. The first ties to Jesus calling the first apostles (Peter & his brother Andrew, John & his brother James) who were all fishermen. He told them to leave their equipment, go with Him and he would make them "fishers of men." This is found in Matt. 4 & Mark 1. In this case it is a symbol and a remindser that ogther "fishers of men" led us to Christ and now it our duty as Christians to do the same.



The other tie is the incidents in the Bible where Jesus fed approx. 15,000 people once (5000 men plus their families) with 5 small loaves of bread and two fish and over 10,000 people another time. They not only fed everyone, they collected baskets of scraps & leftovers when everyone was filled and finished eating. This is found in Matt. 14, Matt. 15, Mark 6, Mark 8, Luke 8 & John 6. The reminder of this is that Jesus provides us with blessings beyond our capacity to understand of to hold, and also to remind us that He sent the disciples to deliver this blessing to others - so it is now part of our Christian lives.



The Darwinist, like most I've spoken with, proabbly accusesd you of ignorance. My experience has shown me, however, that few of them have ever truly examined their beliefs through study and research. Most times the opinion I hear is regurgitated fdorm a news show or a random smattering of articles coupled with natural human rebellion rather than on what they have learned themselves. Kind of ironic in my opinion.
2006-05-06 10:49:06 UTC
I think ictha symbol is a word that uses to abreviate iesus cristies hominem salvator, and in "copto" means fish, so first cristians use it as logo to identifie between them, cause as a religion they were forbidden.
beach bum
2006-05-06 10:47:10 UTC
Where on Gods green earth did you get the idea Darwin was a minister of Gods word? That simply isn't true.
Judah's voice
2006-05-06 10:46:02 UTC
Jesus said..."I will make you fishers of men."


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