Question:
Pentecostal church and freemasonary: a clash?
Matt M
2008-09-19 04:11:21 UTC
have a friend, a pentecostal, who wants to become a freemason also and is in the process i believe, but is wondering if his pastor will disfellowship him if he tells him of his intentions. What do you all think? Is the boot likely if he reveals he is a propsective mason?
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anonymous
2008-09-19 04:56:03 UTC
Your friend doesn't "have" to tell the Pastor anything. The fact that he feels "uneasy" about telling him speaks volumes. He needs to do some major research about this organization (from both sides of the argument) and it's origins before he commits himself to them and becomes indebted to them. If he is really a Christian, hopefully he will be praying that God will lead him into knowing the truth.



Someone has replied that you don't need to inform the Pastor if you join the football club, however the football club doesn't make you say blood curdling vows, when initiation ceremonies are performed. Neither would they insist the you have having to perform the "necessary" rituals and traditions of the Mason's. I also don't think your friend would think twice about admitting he was a member of the football team.



I would ask your friend what the motive is for wanting to join freemasonary. (In other words, what can the Mason's give that he believes God can't? Or, does he simply not trust God to deliver )? My husband also wanted to join at one time (his motive was to advance his career), as he was struggling at the time and didn't have enough trust in God's help. Thankfully he never went through with joining the Mason's, after learning more about their origins and history and put his trust back in the hand's of God.



They may want you to believe in God, but they are not fussed which one you serve when you join, as they believe that all paths lead to the same God anyway...... "The Great Architect of the Universe." They undoubtably do good deeds, look out for one another, give generously to charity and care for the widows. This is what makes it soooo tempting and appealing. Does this mean it must be ok then?? Why not join any religion then, as they all do some good things too? Ultimately, it is your friends decision, only his conscience can guide him to know whether the two clash.



Edit: If I was his Pastor, I would gently and kindly explain why I believed it was not a good idea and incompatible with Christianity.



I am aware though that there are lots of Mason's within the church, who profess to be Christian's. If it came to it though, who would they be most loyal to Jesus or the Mason's?



Edit 2: This is taken from a small section from a Freemasonary website about a Freemason's obligation's:





"The Bible, referred to by Freemasons as the Volume of the Sacred Law, is always open at every Masonic meeting.



The Obligation of Freemasonry

The Obligations taken by Freemasons are sworn on or involve the Volume of the Sacred Law, or the book held sacred by those concerned. They are undertakings to help keep secret a Freemason's means of recognition, and to follow the principles of Freemasonry.



The physical penalties, which are purely symbolic, do not form part of an Obligation. The commitment to follow the principles of Freemasonry is, however, deep."





It says that the Freemason's have the bible open at every meeting. Does this prove that by having the bible open,this fraternity "must" be ok? If so, how? If it not a religious organisation, then why emphasise the "sacred book."



The next paragraph states the obligations, purely symbolic physical penalties and the deep commitment expected from a Freemason. ALL of these are contrary to the Word of God (the Bible)!



Any bible believing, faithful, obedient Christian who fully understands what is required of a man to become a Freemason, would know that it is in complete opposition to God's Word, in almost every way. (Just because someone goes to church every Sunday, or has been brought up with Christian morals, this does not mean they are a Christian) The offer of love, forgiveness, redemption, freedom, grace and mercy that Jesus gives to every man, woman and child, whether they are "respectable" or not is beyond compare. The only requirement is that they willingly choose to follow Him and that you choose to love Him and know Him personally. In contrast, Freemasonary is an exclusive collection of hand-picked respectable men, who decide and vote on who should be allowed to join their fraternity. They are politically correct, by saying any god is acceptable to worship and it is actively encouraged and welcomed. Again this is in complete opposition to the bible.





IN RESPONSE TO CL-FREEMASON. It they were obedient to God, then they would leave the Mason's immediately, no question. It is very hard to leave something/someone that you feel indebted, commited and loyal to......very, very hard indeed. Especially when you see and know all the positive things Freemasonry has to offer. How difficult would it also be, to leave all the respectable, kind, caring and loyal friends that you had made? If I had been a member for sometime and had followed the teachings and tradition's of Freemasonry, I can honestly say that I would personally find it extremely difficult to leave.



If Freemason's are not a religious organization, then why is it so important to have a faith at all? I know many atheist's who are very kind, generous and loyal friends, so why not allow them to join? If the God of the bible says there is only one God and you should serve Him alone, then why are the Freemason's saying that it is ok to serve "any" god they choose?



A Freemason may have Christian morals and agree with some of the principles of Christianity, but this does not make him a Christian You can create God to be anything you want him to be, within your own mind, especially when you perceive that you are a good person, who does good, respectable deeds within the community. What does Jesus say? Does He say this will get you into heaven? Does He say that all paths lead to God?



I respect your opinion, however from a Christian viewpoint, every thing about the Mason's is in complete conflict with the Bible. It's words can easily be twisted to suit one's particular needs, beliefs or desires. Even Satan knows the Word of God inside out. Satan even twisted it and quoted it to Jesus in the wilderness in order to try to deceive Him, whislt he was being tested. Knowing some of the bible, does not make someone a Christian.
eaford
2016-10-17 03:03:00 UTC
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anonymous
2008-09-19 06:27:35 UTC
1) Freemasonry is not a cult - members come of their own free will and are free to leave at any time they choose (it's called demitting).



2) Freemasonry is not a religion - Freemasonry supports the observance of many religions and makes no claim on any as superior or inferior. You must believe in a supreme being - athiesm and mainstream Freemasonry are not compatible.



3) You are not serving 2 gods - I, as a Christan Freemason, serve a trinutarian God, The Lord (Father, Son & Holy Ghost), for instance. Masonically, I refer to Him as The Great Architect of the Universe - some refer to him as The Divine Creator - both references give Him glory and reverence.



4) Some sects and denominations have issue with Freemasonry, as we have aspects of the fraternity that are esoteric (not shared with the outside world). Freemasonry does not permit discussion of religion (or politics) within the lodge.



5) Freemasonry does not want to come between a man and his faith - for without personal faith, the purpose of Freemasonry is diminished to the individual Mason.



Regarding your friend, his church may, in fact, have issue with Freemasonry. Some churches have issue with television, video games, music, art, certain literature, etc. That is really something for him to prioritize.
ProudAmerican
2008-09-20 21:01:22 UTC
I must answer that Roze is a very misguided individual. I am a Christian and a Freemason and find NO conflict in the two. Cl_Freemason and tarditi make very good points.
cl_freemason
2008-09-19 07:49:46 UTC
I don't know the official position of the pentacostal church regarding freemasonry. I can find nothing on any official church page that talks about freemasonry, so my guess is they are like many Christian groups and have no opinion either way.



There is nothing in freemasonry that is against any teaching of the pentacostal church (or any other religion).



to some others:



freemasonry is not a cult, the freemasons are not a religion... your response, jasmine, shows you know nothing about freemasonry.



to Roze --- if it came to it --- EVERY freemason who is a Christian would HAVE to choose loyalty to Jesus over freemasonry. We are instructed that duty to God is above anything and everything, including freemasonry.







Edit to Roze --- you are free to have your opinion, oddly enough because of Freemasons. I am sorry you have such a misguided understanding.



To answer some of your questions: if freemasonry attempted to put me in a position of conflict with my duty to God I would remind them of the obligations and that there is no conflict, God is first. I have never come across anything to suggest this would happen though - in everything we do, we remind ourselve duty to God and Family come before freemasonry. If it did happen though, it would not be difficult to leave at all, my priorities are clear; if they put me in that position, would they really be my friends?



It is important to have faith because people without it often have an odd sense of morality - i.e. they owe nothing to anyone, no duty to God, or humanity; they are likely to serve themselves above others. The Bible is used as a source of moral instruction, not to suggest that Christianity is superior to any other belief - freemasonry is a fraternity, that's why men of any faith can belong.



Not sure of your point in the third paragraph... you mention what Jesus says the path to heaven is after saying that freemasons who do those things are somehow kidding themselves.... in any case, freemasonry does not teach a path to heaven, it teaches you to act and live morally in service of humanity.



What do you really know about freemasonry to make such a claim as "every thing about the masons is in complete conflict with the Bible"? I have a bachelor's and master's degree in the history of religions, I have done a ton of research on freemasonry and the many claims of a few people that it is against religion. the only thing in freemasonry that i have found that might be in conflict with some people's religious conviction is that freemasonry allows people of various faiths to come together, as equals, in peace, without trying to kill each other - no other organization can make that claim. Freemasonry is not meant to make you a christian (or a jew, muslim, buddhist, hindu, etc...) it is to make you a better man, a better citizen.



It truly appears you know very little, if anything, about freemasonry.
Piet Pompies
2008-09-19 04:19:05 UTC
Does your friend tell his church if he is a member of the local football club? The Masons are nothing more than a club, requiring only that members believe in God. There could be no objection to joining the Masons. They are a society of men who promote charitable donations to those less fortunate than themselves. The society is not a religion.
sioux †
2008-09-19 05:04:55 UTC
pentecostals are usually Spirit filled,

I would talk to him and say this group

is not worth losing his soul over. He is

being tempted, pray for him. a person

is responsible for what they agree with,

he surely has not done his homework

on this group. If he does, he will RUN.
Kryten
2008-09-19 04:15:59 UTC
I know that the Methodist church in the UK have said that Freemasonry is incompatible with Christianity.
jasmine
2008-09-19 04:20:47 UTC
Yes its a clash....free masonry is a form of a cult. How do you become one if you are a christian? You cant serve 2 gods. I would wonder if the person is really a christian if they could join the FM's.
dynollis
2008-09-19 04:23:06 UTC
Isn't that kind of un-Jesusy to fire someone from church?


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