Question:
Does anyone get tired of Christian bashing?
Kelly s
2006-08-06 19:55:43 UTC
I understand that people have their own opinions. However, athiest and other belief have their beliefs. Whether athiest say so or not theirs is to choose not to believe in a higher being. They try to base it on facts. athieism in itself can be considered to be a religion. However, just as non Christians don't like Christians "forcing" their religion on them we as Christians don't like them forcing their beliefs on us. What's worse? Christians are not dim witted or stupid. People should feel free to express theirselves and have opionions. But, they should not bash others. I'm happy to say I'm a Christian and if you become one then PTL, but to be happy about your beliefs is not forcing them. I don't hold someone and say you'll be in trouble if you don't believe what I believe. Anyone with viewpoint feel free to answer. Christian and non alike.
32 answers:
2006-08-06 20:17:16 UTC
If the Christians keep bashing other religions then don't expect other religions to stop bashing Christianity.



Bash the Satanists, and your own pedophilic and homosexual religious leaders and stop bashing Muslims, Jews or other Chrisitan belief systems which don't conform.



An eye for an eye....



What goes around comes around.



Peace.
2006-08-06 20:05:34 UTC
People shouldn't be able to express their opinions ALL the time, otherwise you're saying "there's no way we should be able to stop racism."



Let's run with that for a bit: Racism is an opinion based on bigotry, incomplete information, and stereotypes. We have three possible outcomes: 1, allow the racists to be racist, saying their hateful things. 2. try and change the racists opinions and attitudes so that they're no longer racist. 3. Disallow the racists from saying their racist things.



How does this relate? Well, if you're trying to convert someone, you'rep retty much taking the route 2. Conversely, if you're just talking about religion without being evangelical, you're following path 1. If no one's allowed to talk about it at all, you're doing number 3. Why do I compare racism to religion? Because it's an opinion that society at some level *believes to be wrong* and athiests and christians each feel the other is wrong. by restricting or not restricting the language they can have between the two of them, we become hypocritcal if this doesn't mirror how we react with other forms of opinions that are "considered wrong."



Personally, I stick with part 3. Everyone shut up, self included.
boldygal7
2006-08-06 20:55:25 UTC
I am a witch. I get tired of Christians telling me that I'm going to Hell because I worship Satan. I neither belive in Hell nor Satan... you do. So - no, I never get tired of Christian bashing. It's fun.



Why would you think that you are the one true religion and only you get to have the "glory"? What about Hindus? Muslims? Buddhists? I know what you think of Mormons.



I used to be Mormon, and Born Again Christian. I got tired of the Pastor who wore better clothes than me and drove a better car than me asking me for more money. You can't go to Heaven unless you give the church more money.



I also got tired of men running everything. Witches have a Matriarchal sysem. The hand that rocks the cradle and all. Besides - My goddess gave birth to your god.



Stop forcing your beliefs on me and I'll leave you alone!
crowell29a
2006-08-06 20:00:03 UTC
I get tired of xians misrepresenting and/or distorting science. their beliefs are based on FAITH (belief in something despite lack of evidence), so why do they distort science to support their beliefs? sign of weak FAITH, IMNSHO.



most of these arguments I see here are the same tired distortions. if they were TRUE, the the scientific community - a peer review community - would ACCEPT it as true. xians - do you learn about science in church?



In science it often happens that scientists say, "You know that's a really good argument; my position is mistaken," and then they would actually change their minds and you never hear that old view from them again. They really do it. It doesn't happen as often as it should, because scientists are human and change is sometimes painful. But it happens every day. I cannot recall the last time something like that happened in politics or religion. -Carl Sagan, astronomer and writer (1934-1996)



it's not forcing a belief to insist on accuracy. it's ENFORCING a belief. as christians, accuracy should be imperative. WWJD?



/atheist
2006-08-06 20:09:19 UTC
Yep, I'm an atheist and I agree, some of the atheists on here start to annoy even me, believe me. Of course I don't like to consider "atheism" a religion (although some treat it that way) - to me, it's just a STATEMENT. I don't believe in God. It doesn't come with any scripture, rituals, commandments, etc; basically, it doesn't have anything to do with how to live one's life. We have no structure or unifying code of ANYTHING besides that single statement. I don't live my life based on the fact that I don't believe in God.



Then again, like I said, there are atheists that treat it as a religion, consider themselves the only rational people on earth, and condemn others in what turns out to be a fairly irrational manner. I try not to "bash" anyone - in fact I could care less about people's private beliefs; it's only when religion goes public and backs up dangerously harmful beliefs with holy scripture that I speak up. Religion in the hands of moderate, open-minded, reasonable people (as you clearly are) is fine with me. Religion in the hands of fanatics and extremists does not sit well with me, and while I don't intend to hurt the moderates in my arguments, the truth as I see it is many of the problems with religious fanatics would be solved if we removed religion. Faith in love is a good thing; faith in hate is not; unfortunately, I feel I sometimes have to argue against faith itself to get to the latter.
Indigo
2006-08-06 20:07:07 UTC
As a non religious person I get tired of all the people who try to speak for us and tell US and other people who we are. When they are not us and have no clue as they won't even ask or listen to what we say about who we are. I get tired of all the crap that is said to and about us, and yeah it does go back the other way. Although Christians cry over it more when we just state our view and they act like it's shoving our beliefs on them when they do and say far worse. You know what, suck it up. We all have to deal with it, it's unlikely to stop, so we may as well not whine, b*tch, and moan about it.
Jewelz_4_U
2006-08-06 20:03:20 UTC
THANK YOU!!! I completely agree. It is so frustrating when people bash Christians about what they believe, when they are doing the exact same thing!! It's completely hypocritical!!!! Thanks for posting this - you will no doubt get some heated discussion going, and get some rude answers from some rude people and uneducated people, but hopefully you will also get some insightful answers. What you will most LIKELY get, though, is people who base the Christian religion on other Christians and how they live their faith, rather than on the religion itself. :(
lenny
2006-08-06 20:05:41 UTC
Everyone gets bashed here. Even in your rant about people bashing Christians, you threw a pot shot at atheists by saying that atheism can be considered a religion.



No, I don't get tired of Christian bashing at all. You guys collectively deserve it.
wilderone74
2006-08-06 20:03:18 UTC
i'm sick of both ends of the coin. i'm tired of the religion bashing and someone feeling their religion is better and that kind of stuff. plus i'm also tired of those religious fanatics that shove religion down people's throats when they have their own beliefs. i'm glad to hear that people have found religion and it makes them happy. that's really cool and all, but for those of us that have our own beliefs that make us happy that's cool for us. people do have a right to express themselves, but i don't believe it should be to the point where it makes other people feel uncomfortable.
Developing Love
2006-08-06 20:41:38 UTC
I personally never tire of it.

lol.

No really, you are not representative of most of the Christians on this site, because most of the Christians here DO try to push their beliefs on others. They are rude and obnoxious about it.
upallnite
2006-08-06 20:17:32 UTC
You call Atheism a religion, it is not. Perhaps you mean Humanist or Naturalist or Realist. Atheists tend to choose one of these religions. Since Atheism is not a religion of its own.



Calling Atheism a religion is like calling bald a hair color.
Pashur
2006-08-06 20:11:13 UTC
I don't allow other religions or non-religions bother me because I know that I have life wort living outside this YA! I convert those who are willing and I ignore those who insinuate that my beliefs are wrong or should be doubted. My faith grows stronger daily because of this forum.



Shalom

dbd
daljack -a girl
2006-08-06 20:04:46 UTC
Please believe me when I tell you....atheist have NO faith and NO religion....it is a non-issue. We don't spend one tiny little second thinking about this subject except when someone else brings it up or we're on YA.



I don't want to "convert" you to my way of thinking....I respect your right to believe in God and to be a Christian. That's a decision you've made for yourself just like I've made a decision that works for me.
missingora
2006-08-06 20:03:38 UTC
Christians have always been persecuted and it is really an honor to be persecuted for Christ. He certainly was persecuted for us! If we can run the race and stay the course and finish well, it will all be worth it! And any crowns we get for staying faithful will be ours to lay at the feet of Jesus when we see Him face to face.
2006-08-06 20:20:45 UTC
I'm christian and i enjoy the bashing,it's just adding more to my reward when i get to heaven,we are being persecuted ,and Jesus said we would be and we are so that just add more confidence to me that he's coming soon,and the persecuters will be taken care of
2006-08-06 20:02:57 UTC
your message left me a little perplexed, i think many people are atheist because they want to fight the majority, as defiance, but many others chose it as a lifestyle, as christians, i believe we are not comformist, because we aspire for a better life without sin, atheist i feel that they are comformist, and are happy in a world full of **** and sin, hopefully we respect each other and make the best of this world, im seventh day adventist, God bless you all
Kristen B
2006-08-06 20:04:55 UTC
YES! It is "fashionable" to be a Buddhist or a Scientologist and to "bash" someone of that "faith" in the media is unheard of. Paul faced a lot of bashing-and imprisonment-for his faith-don't give up, my friend. Keep following Christ, pray for those who bash Him, and I'll see you in eternity.



K
aguyinthewoods
2006-08-06 20:02:48 UTC
I get tired of it alot, but then I think about the fate of those bashing it unless they turn to Jesus. Hell is their destiny. And they will never have peace again EVER EVER EVER. So while I too get tired of it, I have peace in the fact that someday ALL my persecutors will share in the lake of fire that burns forever. All Christians will NEVER again feel pain, while their persecutors will be TORMENTED day and night forever and forever. Amen
Lost. at. Sea.
2006-08-06 20:03:17 UTC
I'm an atheist and I fell the same way about some religious peoples.

The coin have to faces.
2006-08-06 20:03:34 UTC
Jesus said;" Blessed are you when men shall revile you and persecute you and say all manner of evil against you for my sake. Rejoice! And be exceedingly glad for GREAT is your reward in heaven!" - Jesus



The irony is that these unbelievers who bash us are unwittingly making us VERY wealthy! Ha , Ha ,ha...so I say "keep it up!"

We can handle it!
2006-08-06 20:01:23 UTC
No, I'm not tired of it. I try to point the stupidness at every chance I get. Which on here, is often.
bobkgin
2006-08-06 20:06:42 UTC
"Does anyone get tired of Christian bashing?"







Yes, but after a good night's sleep the tiredness goes away.







Good night, all ;-)
2006-08-06 20:01:01 UTC
I don't try to "convert" people to Wicca. I don't try to "preach" to them. I don't talk for hours about my beliefs. I don't appreciate people of any religion trying to do these things to me.
Alexa
2006-08-06 20:00:30 UTC
um well I am not going to really answer this one i would be puttng bad words against my own religion and that of soo any others.
2006-08-06 20:01:03 UTC
I have kinda got used to the bashing, it lets you know that you are doing something right. remember, they hated Jesus first.
somepeopleRstupid
2006-08-06 20:01:15 UTC
Yes, but it will always be that way. Just look at what they done to Jesus. Nothing comes close to that!
Marshal
2006-08-06 20:00:21 UTC
No, it just shows me they realize Christianity is strong enough that they must criticize it. If you are wrong, you must attack what is right.
Kayla
2006-08-06 19:59:48 UTC
Ok yes I get sick of it but comments like this arent helping...trust me I have tried
Kristina B
2006-08-06 20:01:25 UTC
I'm not just sick of Christian bashing. I'm sick of bashing period.
2006-08-06 20:04:41 UTC
You don't get it. It is the moral responsibility and ethical duty of rational people to protect vulnerable minds from being contaminated by Bronze Age myths and willful ignorance. Beyond that, Christianity represents a huge threat to the well-being and survival of our country and to the whole world... and so it must be confronted. Think of it as a Public Service.



http://www.yuricareport.com/Dominionism/Clarkson_RiseOfDomionism.html

http://www.yuricareport.com/Dominionism/HistoryOfReconstructionMovement.html



I prefer the term 'Rationalist', or 'Free Thinker', as opposed to 'atheist', or 'unbeliever', since those terms capture more of the people who think that religious beliefs are stupid and irrelevant than the term 'atheist' does. Those terms capture the main reason that people BECOME Atheists... i.e., they have learned how to THINK properly. Once someone learns how to think properly, religious belief is one of the first casualties. Religious belief... particularly the Abrahamic death cults of desert monotheism (Judaism, Christianity, Islam)... simply cannot withstand the glaring light of reason and critical thought. It just evaporates. Poof. The fact that Christians assert and promote such ridiculous beliefs is a clear indication that they CAN'T (or WON'T) think properly.



Rational people recognize that some people who visit this forum are truly, sincerely seeking answers... with an open mind (willing to honestly consider alternative possibilities), and with intellectual honesty (willingness to freely question and doubt their own presumptions). That being the case, it is the MORAL OBLIGATION of rational people to HELP them keep their minds open, and to make them aware of some of those alternative possibilities. Inevitably, those alternative possibilities DO NOT include things like a terrarium earth, talking snakes and donkeys, demons, friendly spirits, evil spirits, walking on water, multiplying loaves and fishes, people raising from the dead, stopping the sun in its tracks, parting seas, people being bodily sucked up into heaven (which, by the way, lies on the other side of the sky), world-wide floods, creating people from dust bunnies and ribs, magical trees of knowledge, gods speaking from burning bushes... and ritual cannibalism by eating god in the form of a cracker.



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"A thorough reading and understanding of the Bible is the surest path to atheism” ~ Donald Morgan

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So, when someone comes along in a PUBLIC FORUM, regurgitating dogmatic slogans, and the myths, superstitions, fairy tales and fantastical delusions of an ignorant bunch of Bronze Age fishermen and wandering goat herders, and declaring them to represent some kind of cosmic 'TRUTH' (without the least bit of credible evidence)... well, by golly, that just HAS TO BE confronted.



All faith-based religious belief is fully deserving of all the scorn and ridicule that can be heaped upon it. It is a simple matter of people with rational minds having a moral obligation to stand in opposition to willful ignorance. It is quite necessary that this be done, if we are to have any hope that the human race will survive and evolve to meet its full potential. So, when these myths, superstitions, fairy tales and fantastical delusions are presented and declared to 'TRUTH', in the venue of a PUBLIC FORUM, a confrontation is inevitable.



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"I am treated as evil by people who claim that they are being oppressed because they are not allowed to force me to practice what they do."  ~ D. Dale Gulledge

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In order to have a rational view of the universe, it is necessary that one possess the mental faculties that facilitate reason, logic and critical thought. The things that are entailed by Christian beliefs demonstrate, beyond any doubt, a lack of those capabilities. Christians do serve a useful purpose on this earth, though... as a classic 'bad example'. They obligingly provide assertions about impossible happenings and circumstances, and magical delusions, and glaring misconceptions about science and nature and the universe... which can then be rationally confronted and exposed, and their preposterousness revealed.



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"The god who is reputed to have created fleas to keep dogs from moping over their situation must also have created fundamentalists to keep rationalists from getting flabby.  Let us be duly thankful for our blessings."  ~ Garrett Hardin

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Again... rational people are not trying to convert Christians... we are trying to protect people FROM Christians, and the insidious mind killing delusions and willful ignorance which they seek to spread, as if they were some kind of organized, dogmatic insanity virus.



However, rational people DO respect everyone's right (in the privacy of their own minds) to delude themselves in whatever fashion they deem fit.



Science, logic, reason, and critical thought have long been regarded (by religious people) as the enemies of religion. Considering that those are the tools of highly intelligent people, it should not come as a huge shock to learn that intelligence (or lack of it) has some connection to religious belief. In fact, there are about 40 studies, conducted over the past 80 years or so, that reveal a statistically significant NEGATIVE CORRELATION between intelligence and religiosity. In plainer language, that means that they found that the more intelligent a person is, the LESS likely that person is to be religious... or, reciprocally, the LESS intelligent a person is, the MORE likely that person is to be religious.



If you think about it, those findings make a lot of sense. Intelligence tests mainly provide an indication of reasoning ability and problem solving ability... logic, reason and critical thought. These are the very qualities that see through religion, and recognize it for what it is; i.e., religion cannot survive the glaring light of reason and critical thought. This was well understood by important figures in religious history. This is why the early church destroyed all the 'tainted' (non-canonical) writings, which were in conflict with dogma... Greek philosophy, medicine, mathematics, astronomy, engineering... all the good stuff. By this means, Christianity dragged humanity directly into the Dark Ages.



Just to illustrate the point, let's see what Martin Luther, the 'father' of protestantism, had to say about 'reason' and secular knowledge:



"Reason must be deluded, blinded, and destroyed. Faith must trample underfoot all reason, sense, and understanding, and whatever it sees must be put out of sight and ... know nothing but the word of God." ~ Martin Luther



"Reason is the greatest enemy that faith has; it never comes to the aid of spiritual things, but -- more frequently than not -- struggles against the divine Word, treating with contempt all that emanates from God." ~ Martin Luther



"There is on earth among all dangers no more dangerous thing than a richly endowed and adroit reason... Reason must be deluded, blinded, and destroyed." ~ Martin Luther



"Reason should be destroyed in all Christians." ~ Martin Luther



Christianity is essentially a criminal business enterprise... in fact, it is the world's longest running and most successful Multi-Level Marketing (MLM) scam. The product they are selling is the illusion of 'salvation'... and the 'pay plan' doesn't kick in until after you're dead. Meanwhile the victims (having been deceived into believing that it is their God-given duty) are out there recruiting MORE victims. What a racket! FORTUNATELY, it only works on those who are gullible enough, and sufficiently lacking in critical thinking skills, to fall for it. UNfortunately, THAT accounts for about 75% of the population of the USA. (There are a lot more people who DON'T know how to think properly than there are people who DO know how to think properly.) That is why there are a lot more religious people in the USA than there are 'Free-thinkers'... including Atheists. Also, Christians are generally too dense to realize that proselytizing (spreading the 'good news') is a key element of the Christian MLM MARKETING PLAN, which was instituted after Christianity lost the political power that had previously allowed them to simply torture and kill anybody who did not comply. Now, they attempt to just pester people to death, through persistent obliviousness and obnoxiousness. If you stop to think about it, you will realize that Christians are very much like the Borg, on Star Trek Next Generation: "You will be assimilated. Resistance is futile." I would not be surprised to learn that thoughts of Christianity provided the 'creative spark' for the Borg concept.



Interestingly, statistics on supernatural beliefs count the USA on a par with backward, developing Third World nations, rather than among modern, advanced industrial powers.



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"Selling eternal life is an unbeatable business, with no customers ever asking for their money back after the goods are not delivered." ~ Victor J. Stenger



"Businesses may come and go, but religion will last forever, for in no other endeavor does the consumer blame himself for product failure."  ~ Harvard Lampoon, "Doon" (paraphrase)



http://www.religioustolerance.org/reconstr.htm

http://home.ca.inter.net/oblio/home.htm
whorehouse_revelation70
2006-08-06 20:00:24 UTC
shutup your gay
labeth2
2006-08-10 04:25:13 UTC
Chrsitianity is a choice, you either choose to believe or not to believe, to have to explain it, you kind of stall the belief process. Romans 12:2. "And be not conformed to this world: but be transformed by the renewing of your mind, that you may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God."

"Trust in the Lord with all your heart and lean not on your own understanding, in all your ways acknowlege him, and he will make your paths straight." Proverbs 3:5,6

God wants to work in your life, you either let it happen or you don't there's no sarcasm here it's just that simple and when you believe, you rejoice in the Lord and want to share it and if some are offened by that it's not a personal attack it's just the love of Christ growing in the believer.I found this on a random website and thought it was awesome enough to share:

A WORD TO THE WISE



by Ray C. Stedman



The letter to the Colossians was written from Rome by the Apostle Paul during his first imprisonment, the one which occurs at the close of the book of Acts. Paul was living in his own rented house, chained to a Roman guard day after day. He wrote to some people whom he'd never met, as far as we can tell. Colossae was a city in the Roman province of Asia, in present-day Turkey. The Christians in Colossae had been brought to Christ, and the church established there, by a man named Epaphras, who had ministered with the apostle. But Paul is concerned about them, and so he is writing to them about their spiritual welfare. I like this, because it suggests to me that we can include ourselves in this letter very easily. Paul has never visited our church either. I have never met Paul; neither have you; but he is writing to us. And what he has to say to us is very important, because I am facing, and you are too, the same problems that these people in Colossae faced some two thousand years ago.



They were disturbed, first of all, about the evil that was rampant in their day. They were discouraged because it seemed as if evil had the upper hand. As the poet put it, "Truth forever on the scaffold; wrong forever on the throne." That is how it looked to them. Paul answers that in this letter by showing that Jesus Christ is Lord. He is the visible image of the invisible God, and Lord over every force in the world, whether men realize it or not.



Some in Colossae were deluded by philosophy. The brilliant mental achievements of the great thinkers of the Greek Golden Age had penetrated area and through the city, and some of the Colossians were overawed and carried away by the ideas of men. Paul points out that in Jesus Christ are hidden all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge. All the secrets which lie behind the mystery of life are explainable in Jesus Christ, and his wisdom far surpasses all the thinking of men. It forms a gauge by which you can judge and evaluate what men are thinking and saying.



Some of these Colossians were deceived by legalism, by the notion that, if you really want to please God, you must give up certain practices, and observe rigid regulations in your life. Paul sets all that aside, and says in Jesus Christ there is liberty. When you come to know him, your spirit is free. The motives of the heart are what God is reading, not what the body does.



Finally, some of them were divided by conflicts like the ones you and I have between parents and children and husbands and wives, and between masters and slaves or employers and employees. Paul says that Jesus Christ is love, and that if you have his life in you, you can live in love with each other, no matter what your relationship may be.Near the close of this letter, in Chapter 4, Verses 2-4, he adds an admonition on the subject of prayer:



Continue steadfastly in prayer, being watchful in it with thanksgiving; and pray for us also, that God may open to us a door for the word, to declare the mystery of Christ, on account of which I am in prison, that I may make it clear, as I ought to speak. {Col 4:2-4 RSV}



The apostle has two things to say about prayer. The first is: "Keep at it" -- "continue steadfastly in prayer." The reason, obviously, is that prayer is essential to your Christian life. Prayer is dependence on God, and that is the name of the game! If you don't pray, then you are not expressing any dependence on him at all.But, though it may seem so at first glance, he doesn't mean, "Now, set aside a certain part of your day for prayer; set a schedule, and be sure to keep it." I am not demeaning that; some people are able to do it, and it is an excellent practice, but that is not what he is really saying.



The Greek word the apostle chooses for steadfastly means "to be ready at all times." In Mark's Gospel, there is an incident which illustrates this. In the third chapter, Verse 9, we read that Jesus told his disciples to have a boat ready for him because of the crowd, lest they should crush him. The word for ready is the same word translated steadfastly in Colossians. That is, "Always be ready to pray, because prayer is such a vital link with the Heavenly Father, whose life is available to us continually, that in every circumstance you need to pray." That is what Paul is saying. "Be ready to break into prayer -- in your thought life -- instantaneously, at all times, because that is the way we ought to live."



This week I ran across an interesting little article which recounts the experience of a Christian who went through the recent earthquake in Los Angeles. This is his description of it:



The hands stood precisely splitting the illuminated face of the bedside clock from top to bottom [That's a fancy way of saying it was six o'clock in the morning!]. The doors rattled incessantly. Picture frames flapped against the walls. The rumble increased in intensity. Earthquake!



You are instantly awake. You hold your breath and wonder how much your house can take. What happens to your emotions is almost impossible to express. Terra firma, earth, the epitome of steadfastness, has betrayed a frightening instability at its very core. [He goes on to describe a bit more of it, and then he says:] When one experiences the ease with which regional disaster and destruction can intrude into man's experience, the Bible's message moves out of the camels, caravans, and oases of Palestine and takes its place without apology in the teeming, smoggy sophistication of the Los Angeles Basin. When that happens, Revelation seems less apocryphal, and very modern. When that happens, it's good to be all prayed up, and not have to start from scratch! When that happens, it's good to know the One for whose hand you reach, without needing to start with an introduction.



That is exactly what Paul is saying. Be ready for prayer, so that you won't need an introduction when some demand suddenly comes upon you and you realize you need God. "Keep at it," he says, "and keep wide awake while you are keeping at it" -- "Be watchful." That is, "Don't go to sleep. Be alert for opportunities to pray." Remember what Jesus said to Peter in the Garden of Gethsemane: "Watch, and pray that you enter not into temptation" {Matt 26:41 KJV}, with the clear implication that if Peter had observed the demand to watch and pray in that hour, he would not have denied his Lord in the next hour. Prayer is a way of drawing on God's strength to meet the pressures which are pressing upon you, with temptation inherent in every one.



This is Paul's word: "Keep awake." But in that very practical way the apostle has, he tells you how to do it: "Keep awake in it with thanksgiving," -- by means of thanksgiving. If, when you pray, you practice giving thanks to God for what he has given you, you will be much more alert and awake while you pray. And also, if you practice thanksgiving -- as the Scriptures say, "In everything give thanks" {1 Th 5:18 KJV} -- you will discover that there are opportunities for prayer and thanksgiving in almost every situation you enter.



The second thing Paul says about prayer is, "Include others in it." "Keep at it, and include others in it -- especially me," he says. "Pray for us also that God may open to us a door for the word." Here he recognizes the body of Christ and the fact that we are members one of another. We need each other. This great apostle says that the opportunity for him to declare the message of Christ will be given to him by others: "You pray for me," he says, "and that will open a door. God will open a door when you pray for me."



The opportunity of opening doors for each others' ministry is given to every one of us. You can open a door for me; I can open a door for you -- if we pray for one another. Because prayer is addressed to the One who is able to open doors. Remember the scene John describes in the book of Revelation. He sees Jesus, risen from the dead, Lord over every force the world knows, and with the keys of death and of hell hanging at his girdle. And the Lord announces, "I am he who opens, and no man shuts, and shuts, and no man opens," {cf, Rev 3:7}. And as you and I support one another in prayer, "he who opens" will open up opportunities to minister. And so the apostle says, "Pray for me, that I may have an open door and an opportunity to preach Christ." This is still true today. Doors are opened only as people pray for one another.



In anticipation of the forthcoming Billy Graham Crusade, letters and bookmarks and other notices are being circulated which bear this message from Billy Graham himself:



The secret of each crusade has been the power of God's Holy Spirit moving in answer to the prayer of millions of his people around the world. If we did not believe that there would be this same prayer support for the Northern California Crusade, we would not dare to attempt it. We are depending on your prayer support.



You can open a door for Billy Graham in this area if you pray for him. You can open a door for others in our congregation, in their ministries in neighborhoods and other places, if you pray for them. God will open doors into human hearts, if you pray for one another. This is what the apostle is stressing here. How greatly he senses his own need in this regard!



The message he wants to declare is what he calls "the mystery of Christ." This suggests that there is something hidden about it. I often refer to the message of the gospel, the good news of Jesus Christ, as "the lost secret of humanity" because it is what man everywhere is seeking. Humanity has lost the secret which makes life exciting, vital, and worth living.



This secret, says Paul, is Christ. He is the One who turns life on. This all too often has become the missing element in the declaration of the gospel. Far, far too often we Christians have made the gospel sound as if it is only a pattern for going to heaven when we die. It does embody that element, but that is not the heart of it. The heart of it is that not only is Jesus Christ in heaven, but the really great news is that he will make himself available to you right now! His life will come and dwell in you, and you can know him and can have all that he is available to you -- right now!



This is the great mystery, and this is what excites people. Yet I am constantly amazed, as I travel around, to see how few churches are declaring this good news. People can attend church all their lives and never learn this great secret. But it is as Paul describes it in this very letter: "Christ in you, the hope of glory," {Col 1:27 RSV}. It is the only hope you will ever have of experiencing the glory that God intended for man.



This hope, Paul says, is an offense to people, sometimes. "Because of it," he says, "I am in prison." It causes no particular offense to tell people, "Try to do the best you can. Be good, and someday God will let you into heaven." That is ordinary religiosity. But when you come along and tell them, "God himself has provided the means of doing what is right," many people don't want to accept it, because it cancels out all our efforts to do it on God's behalf. They resent that, and it was for this reason that Paul was in prison -- because he told people that the cross of Christ sets the natural man aside.



Paul concludes his prayer request with these words: "... that I may make it clear, as I ought to speak." Paul never got away from that sense of owing men something. As he looked at the broken, fragmented character of humanity, as he saw people's heartache and sorrow, their injustice and cruelty and maliciousness toward each other, and as he sensed the hunger and the longing of their hearts, it awakened in him a deep sense of obligation: "I know how the hunger of their hearts and the longing of their souls can be met, and I owe it to them to, tell them." And so he asks these others to join him in the great ministry of opening the door of the gospel to a needy world by praying that his declaration might be clear and forthright.



Will you make it your ministry in the days ahead to pray for each other, that we all may be ministers of Jesus Christ?



Prayer

Heavenly Father, thank you for this good news, which has lost not one bit of its power nor of its appeal to the human heart. Thank you for Jesus Christ, who has come to set us free, who died for us that he might live in us. Lord, we pray that we may be living examples of his life at work, changing us, redeeming us, correcting us, forgiving us, healing us, meeting all our needs. We give thanks for this glorious message you have given us to declare, in the name of Jesus Christ our Lord, Amen.

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There's also an awesome bible study on renewing your mind at FaithWriters.com-Christian Bible Studies-Renewing your mind. I encourage all who are interested to read it.

"And if it seems evil to you to serve the Lord, choose for yourserves this day whom you will serve, whether the gods which your fathers served that were on the other side of the River, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land you dwell. But as for me and my house, we will serve the Lord." Joshua 24:15

God Bless


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