Question:
Atheists do you still support your outspoken Atheist Representative Pete Starks after his outlandish remarks?
anonymous
2007-10-19 14:40:49 UTC
On the House floor on Thursday, Mr. Stark attacked Mr. Bush in statements that at some points were more angry than coherent.
“I’m just amazed that the Republicans are worried that we can’t pay for insuring an additional 10 million children,” he said. “They sure don’t care about finding $200 billion to fight the illegal war in Iraq. Where are you going to get that money? You are going to tell us lies like you’re telling us today? Is that how you’re going to fund the war? You don’t have money to fund the war or children, but you’re going to spend it to blow up innocent people if we can get enough kids to grow old enough for you to send to Iraq to get their heads blown off for the President’s amusement.”

Direct quote from: http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/10/19/starks-remarks-set-off-gop-lawmakers/
31 answers:
anonymous
2007-10-19 14:46:21 UTC
I'm sorry, friend, but I agree with the man. I may not agree with his wording, but I do absolutely agree with the sentiment.
anonymous
2007-10-19 14:46:33 UTC
What exactly do you find "outlandish" about that statement?



I hope to heck you were kidding. If you find patriotism "outlandish", you might want to shop around for a different country to live in.

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"This is the particular part that was outlandish and disrespectful...."f we can get enough kids to grow old enough for you to send to Iraq to get their heads blown off for the President’s amusement.""



You think we might stop supporting him because he's disrespectful to _Bush_? Really?



Respect is earned, and Bush hasn't earned any. Each and every day Bush says something far more inappropriately disrespectful than what Stark said here, and he's not the only one.



I'm just as amazed that one of the respondents below me managed to see disrespect for American soldiers in Stark's comments. You'd have to really squint hard to see that - there's nothing at all in that quote that's disrespectful to soldiers, and playing the political correctness card like this doesn't help soldiers at all.
anonymous
2016-11-09 04:07:09 UTC
To be completely elementary with you, I wasn't even conscious that there exchange right into a Congressman Pete Starks, so his place on the existence or non-existence of divine beings is a controversy of no particular result to me.
anonymous
2007-10-19 14:58:33 UTC
The guy make more sense and is more coherent than Bush.

Why does everyone give Bush a pass when he's incomprehensible but a liberal does the same and people want to hang him. The man is passionate and pissed about Bush's veto and I don't blame him.

By the way, what's this got to do with the man's being an atheist? The man is against war and wants to help children. Sounds more like someone Jesus would have something in common with than Bush.
K
2007-10-19 15:00:19 UTC
As if he's the only member of congress who's ever used a hyperbole!



And under the explosive rhetoric, he makes a valid point about our nation's values. Whether the Iraq war is illegal or not may not be cut and dried but it was an unneeded war. Much more unnecessary than keeping our children healthy.
Scott M
2007-10-19 14:54:48 UTC
What was incoherent about it? I'd say that it was accurate.



If anyone had put up a program or set of programs to help people that would have a price tag of 200 billion, the Republicans would have lost their minds. But they don't blink at the price tag for their idiotic war.



BTW: Mr. Stark represents only his constituents--the ones who elected him--not atheists in general.
Incognito
2007-10-19 14:54:34 UTC
He could have put that a little more diplomatically. By the way, who is he? I guess it doesn't matter, since I'm not an Atheist. I'm something even scarier. I believe in God without belonging to a religion!
anonymous
2007-10-19 15:44:08 UTC
It is a brilliant statement, and Bush is indeed recruiting children to be his own personal Army for Oil.



If Bush had half the brains he is told he has, we would be living in a totalitarian state. We still may.
Laoshu Laoshi
2007-10-19 14:59:51 UTC
I say "Good Show!" to Rep. Starks. It's nice to know someone gives a damn about America's children. I like the way he phrased it. If he phrased his statement more politely would anyone pay attention to it? It's his phrasing that interested you enough to quote him on a worldwide forum. That's what gets attention and, hopefully, funding for children's insurance.
anonymous
2007-10-19 14:54:11 UTC
You should watch the house of commons in Britain. If you think that's outlandish you ain't seen nothing. If a leader can't be challenged on a subject like war then what is the point in democracy.



You've basically just proved that religious people like yourself are intolerant of people having views that differ from your own. It's called fascism my fanatical friend.



Oh, and I don't see what your question has to do with R&S anyway.
anonymous
2007-10-19 14:51:44 UTC
This is a political question, not a religion question.

But, other than what appears to be a point when he stepped on his toungue so to speak (as if Bush never does this), the comments were not that outlandish.

War,... insurance for kids,... which is more important to you?
?
2007-10-19 14:52:59 UTC
Ok, I'm not atheist so maybe this question doesn't apply to me, but it really pisses me off when people talk about soldiers like we're some dumb, brain-washed idiots who can't take any responsibility for ourselves.



The military is volunteer! No one held a gun to my head and made me enlist! I didn't go off to war for the president's amusement! God, people like him totally belittle the sacrifices we soldiers (military) make for our country. If a person doesn't want to do to war, then don't sign on the godd@mn dotted line.



And what innocent people are we blowing up in Iraq? Last I SAW when I was actually THERE, it was the insurgents blowing up innocent people and us trying to save said innocent people.



Ok, sorry.... that was my little rant... Uh, had nothing to do with God or Atheism... but that's how I feel when people belittle us in the military.
chazzychef
2007-10-19 14:46:27 UTC
I'm going to assume everything you stated is accurate.

I support that quote 100%. What's outlandish about it? Oh, no, wait, you're right........Having insurance for American children is MUCH less important than spending billions on bombs to destroy a country that we have no business being in in the first place.

Your logic and reasoning skills are unmatched, sir.
Jett
2007-10-19 14:46:23 UTC
Smart guy.



The military operation right now has took an immense toll on innocent life. It has been the most sloppily performed military operation in Unites States history, which is partially why ti has cost us so much.
Grotty Bodkin is not dead!!!
2007-10-19 14:51:30 UTC
I'm not an American, nor do I know the man you are referring to, but the excerpt you give is amazing in its truthfulness, and if this man was getting irate over this issue then more power to him!



I quite agree with what you have quoted.
anonymous
2007-10-19 14:46:54 UTC
I never was a big fan. I'm just glad that someone felt that it wasn't a death nail in their career to admit that they were an atheist.
deztructshun
2007-10-19 14:45:09 UTC
I support those remarks but do not consider Pete Starks my Representative.
Allison P
2007-10-19 14:47:11 UTC
I've personally been against the war from teh beginning. I hate the war, and I too believe that the war has cost us more that it ever should both in lives and in our humanity. I don't see anythign wrong with what he said. I do believe he could have said it more elequently, but he was angry.
Dalarus
2007-10-19 14:51:02 UTC
I don't agree with the guy.



But it's unfortunately a reality for many members of Congress.
unfit_commander
2007-10-19 14:46:30 UTC
What on earth do these remarks have to do with him being an atheist? I think that there would also be many Christians who would agree with the spirit of his remarks.
genaddt
2007-10-19 14:46:53 UTC
Starks could have said it with a little more tact, but I agree with his general sentiment.
Blue girl in a red state
2007-10-19 14:45:23 UTC
I happen to agree with his question/remarks. He has a HUGE point. But just because he is an Atheist, that doesn't make him my representative
anonymous
2007-10-19 14:45:26 UTC
I'm not sure who Pete Starks is, but the comments don't seem all that outlandish to me...
ZER0 C00L ••AM••VT••
2007-10-19 14:44:36 UTC
Hon... he didn't seem all that incoherent. He's got a point, too. We're spending money to wage a war that we needn't wage instead of keeping children healthy.
anonymous
2007-10-19 14:44:38 UTC
I am the only one who represents me.
anonymous
2007-10-19 14:49:27 UTC
Not my representative.



Mine's a former physics professor.
anonymous
2007-10-19 14:45:51 UTC
as an atheist, I do not have an "atheist representative".

I represent my own beliefs - or lack thereof.
anonymous
2007-10-19 15:01:44 UTC
I think he made some valid points, actually.
moddy almondy
2007-10-19 14:45:49 UTC
If I was American, I'd support that man whole-heartedly.
Blackacre
2007-10-19 14:45:59 UTC
Yet he makes a valid point...
Louise
2007-10-19 14:47:57 UTC
Why do you disagree with anything he said?


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