Trinity question?

Question

ok so i am catholic and i used to think the usualle, "father, son, and the holy spirit" but then my friend (jehova witness) starts telling me, "i dont belive that, cuase jesus is gods son, jesus isnt god" then it hit me. so if thats true, then where did the roman catholic churchs come up with this?

Answer 1

Trinitarianism originated in pagan false religion; trinitarianism is actually incompatible with Bible truth.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triple_deities



An avalanche of Scriptures plainly show that Jesus was created by and receives all his authority from Almighty God (the Father); Jesus is not God but instead is at the right hand of God. Emphasis added to some citations:

.. ..(Acts 2:36) God made him both Lord and Christ, this Jesus whom you impaled.

.. ..(Matthew 28:18) And [the resurrected] Jesus approached and spoke to them, saying: “All authority has been GIVEN me in heaven and on the earth.

.. ..(John 3:35) The Father loves the Son and has GIVEN all things into his hand.

.. ..(Acts 5:31) GOD EXALTED this one as Chief Agent and Savior

.. ..(Daniel 7:14) And to him there WERE GIVEN rulership and dignity and kingdom

.. ..(Matthew 11:27) All things HAVE BEEN DELIVERED TO ME by my Father, and no one fully knows the Son but the Father, neither does anyone fully know the Father but the Son and anyone to whom the Son is willing to reveal him.

.. ..(Philippians 2:9) For this very reason also GOD EXALTED HIM to a superior position

.. ..(1 Peter 3:22) [Jesus] went his way to heaven; and angels and authorities and powers WERE MADE SUBJECT to him.

.. ..(1 Corinthians 15:25) For [Jesus] must rule as king until GOD HAS PUT all enemies under his feet.

.. ..(Psalm 110:1) The utterance of Jehovah to my Lord [Jesus] is: “Sit... Until I place your enemies as a stool for your feet.”

.. ..(Psalm 110:1) The utterance of Jehovah to my Lord is: “Sit at my right hand Until I place your enemies as a stool for your feet.”

.. ..(Ephesians 1:19-20) the mightiness of [God's] strength, with which he has operated in the case of the Christ when he raised him up from the dead and seated him at his right hand in the heavenly places

.. ..(Acts 7:55,56) [Stephen], being full of holy spirit, gazed into heaven and caught sight of God’s glory and of Jesus standing at God’s right hand, and he said: “Look! I behold the heavens opened up and the Son of man standing at God’s right hand.”

.. ..(Matthew 26:64) Jesus said to him: “...From henceforth you will see the Son of man sitting at the right hand of power

.. ..(Romans 8:34) Christ Jesus is the one who died, yes, rather the one who was raised up from the dead, who is on the right hand of God

.. ..(Colossians 3:1) Christ is seated at the right hand of God.

.. ..(Hebrews 1:3) [Jesus] sat down on the right hand of the Majesty in lofty places.

.. ..(Hebrews 8:1) Now as to the things being discussed this is the main point: We have such a high priest as this, and he has sat down at the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens,

.. ..(Hebrews 10:12) But this man [Jesus] offered one sacrifice for sins perpetually and sat down at the right hand of God,

.. ..(Hebrews 12:2) Look intently at the Chief Agent and Perfecter of our faith, Jesus. ...he endured a torture stake, despising shame, and has sat down at the right hand of the throne of God.

.. ..(1 Peter 3:22) He [Jesus] is at God’s right hand, for he went his way to heaven

Answer 2

The Trinity was in existence hundreds of years before Christianity. The ancient Egyptians had trinities of gods, as well as the Babylonians and other ancient pagan nations. Buddhism and Hinduism also have trinities. The Roman Catholic Church throughout its history has made a habit of adopting pagan teachings and "sanctifying" them as "truth." The Trinity is one such example of a "Christian" spin on an originally pagan teaching.



Christmas is another example. It is not a coincidence that the Romans held a festival on December 25 to celebrate the birthday of the sun god, where they celebrated by feasting, giving gifts, and merrymaking.



Perhaps the most blatant example is the celebration of Easter. Easter is the name of a pagan fertility goddess; apparently the Catholic Church didn't even bother to change the name. What do bunnies and baby chickens have to do with the death of Christ? Absolutely nothing. What do bunnies and baby chickens have to do with the worship of a FERTILITY goddess? Absolutely everything.



So if you want to know where the Roman Catholic Church came up with the Trinity, just look at the history of pagan religions.



P.S. To the guy who used John 10:30, look at John 17:11, 21, 22. Were the apostles an eleven-in-one being? Or were the apostles part of the Trinity too? They must have been, because Jesus prayed that "they (the apostles) may be one just as we (Jesus and God) are one."



P.S.S. To the girl who suggested Paul believed in the Trinity: Romans 8:34; 1 Corinthians 8:6; 1 Corinthians 11:3;1 Corinthians 15:24-28; 2 Corinthians 1:3; Ephesians 1:3, 17; 1 Timothy 2:5; Hebrews 1:9; Hebrews 3:2; Hebrews 5:5-9.

Answer 3

There were many different groups of early Christians who believed different things. For the first 300 years, there was no New Testament, only various gospels and other documents, and they didn't agree on some things.



One of the biggest disagreements was whether Jesus was a man, God, or both. Many Christians believed he was just a teacher, just a human being. Many believed he was God, in fact he replaced the 'Creator God' of the Old Testament.



The group founded by Paul was the one who converted Constantine, and it was they who got to choose the books that went into the New Testament and which ones were left out. They believed that Jesus was both God and man, the Son of God, but a God himself. This was the beginning of the Roman Church, from which nearly all modern forms of Christianity have developed, so the Trinity is a very commonly believed thing.



The idea is that Jesus was a man so he could come to earth and walk among men, he could have the experiences a human has, and he could be crucified and die (a God can't die!) But he was also God in that he knew the future, he performed miracles, etc. etc.

Answer 4

The answer to, "-where did the RC come up with this?" is simple. Where they got all there basic information, from a book they labelled, "The Old Testament". Having a New Testament was 'the thing'.



The answer about the Trinity comes from this: Our soul is the Trinity. Our soul consists of the Spirit which is called, The Ruach, then the Ego /The Neshamah and finally the Divine Energy called the Shekinah.



It is important to note, that the names of the Trinity may not represent any essence when written in any other language but the Holy Language. The characters that comprise each of those names have special mathematical information, attributable information, and DNA information as well as much more. Of course, when the Greeks had their version written, the essence was lost. When the Church had its Latin version written, the essence became the anti-Christ that they are so afraid of.

Answer 5

God = Jesus

John 10:30 Jesus says that He is one with the Father. Also in Heb. 1:8, the Father speaks of His Son and calls Him God.



God = Holy Spirit

Acts 5:2, 3 Peter is speaking to Ananias and identifies the Holy Spirit as God.



I am not Catholic either; however, the Trinity of God is a basic element of Christianity.

Answer 6

I advise you to 'know how to battle' JW. They have very strong ways on convincing ppl. Though they are Christians, their concepts and beliefs of Christianity is TOTALLY Wrong. One main example of this is that they don't believe in Hell and in the Cross! Second, Jesus is NOT the Father himself! He is his Son, yes. Jesus is the mediator b/w us and the Father. The Father is God, who gets our direct worship, the Son is Lord Jesus Christ, who paid for our sin, who is a holy Son of God, and the holy spirit is a 'holy Ghost' that you recieve after you recieve Christ in yout life. And BTW, it is not only the Roman Catholic church which believe in the trinity, I am brought up in an Orthodox family, and yet, I believe in the trinity. And many, many more 'denominations' believe in the trinity.

Answer 7

Those Jehovah Witness will turn you inside out and mess up your mind for good, if you don't know the word and what you believe stay away from them

they believe Jesus was a Prophet that is all yes the son of God and just a man

The trinity is the Godhead all 3 rule, abide, as one being

yet they are separate beings, like they agree so they can all do the same things together

God is the Father

Jesus is the Son

the Holy Ghost is the spirit of God send by Jesus death and blood for our redemption to be brought back to God as in the in beginning, it is the spirit of Jesus , the spirit of Prophesy

so don't be confused by them that is there job to do

to confuse you so they can proselyte you in to their religion

they are a cult deceiving and being deceived



they do not believe in Jesus as we do

that is wrong wrong wrong

stay with the word and stay with your own faith and tell them you do not want to change your faith

don't answer the door



:)



jlu

Answer 8

Stay away from the Jehovah witness. The three are one 1 John 5:7, like water , ice, water , vapor .Father who is in heaven ,Jesus who was God in human flesh John 1:2 ,1:14 , 10:30, and the Holy Spirit which dwells every where .www.fbbc.com

Answer 9

The historical development of the doctrine is key to our understanding how the trinity became a core teaching of accepted Christianity.



Rome put Christ to death 33 C.E.



The apostle Paul and Luke forwarned an apostasy would arise from the midst of the Christian congregation. 2 Thess 2:3; Acts 20:30



Early 2nd century, Ignatius, bishop of Antioch replaced the congregational government of a group of elders with a single churchman. This eventually expanded to a monarchical seven-grade hierarchy, with the supreme position being occupied by the bishop.



Distinctive schools of religious thought were being developed. Herbert Waddams, a former Anglican Canon of Canterbury says the Alexandrian school, for example, was "Particularly influenced by Platonic ideas"



The New Encyclopedia Britannica says: "Augustine is generally recognized as having been the greatest thinker of Christian antiquity," "His mind was the crucible in which the religion of the New Testament was most completely fused with the Platonic tradition of Greek philosophy; and it was also the means by which the product of this fusion was transmitted to the Christendoms of medieval Roman Catholicism and Renaissance Protestantism."



The fusion of Christianity with Greek and Roman thinking was already in play.



Members of the church were arguing over the nature of God and Christ, with the young archdeacon Athanasius in one corner with the idea that Jesus and God were one and the same person, and in the other, the presbyter Arius holding to the position of the Bible, that Jesus was created by God and was subordinate to him.



325 C.E. a church council, called by unbaptized Roman Emperor Constantine, met in Nice, Asia Minor, to decide on this and other issues. Constantine favored the side of Athanasius. Arius' views were declared heretical.



The creed drawn up at Nice in 325 C.E., with its later alterations, passed into history as the Nicene Creed.



It is in what's called The Athanasian Creed that we find the Trinity being clearly defined. Although the creed bears the name as though Athanasius composed it, John J. Moment, in his book on the creeds, states: "Athanasius had been dead for five hundred years when it appeared." (We Believe, page 118)



So, many hundreds of years after the death of Jesus Christ, the Trinity doctrine was finally formulated. Men had, in the words of theologian N. Leroy Norquist, "experimented with words, sharpened phrases, until they had defined the relation of the three 'persons' of the Trinity in such a way that they could finally say, 'Unless you believe this you're not a true believer.'"



In this way, therefore, the concept of God now held in most churches was formularized.

Answer 10

Stay away from the Jehovah's Witnesses. They don't know what kind of a God the Bible says Jesus is that is mentioned in John 1:1. Either that or they ignore the verses that tell them.



1 Timothy 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

Answer 11

The Catholics adopted a pagan concept in the 4th century.



Ask those spporting the creed, WHERE in the Bible does it support those sentences?



How can Jesus be God and be God's Son at the same time? Is God schizophrenic?



My friend, start studying the Bible and clear religious lies from your life- you owe it to yourself to know the truth about God, for that means everlasting life...



John 17:3

This means everlasting life, their taking in knowledge of you, the only true God, and of the one whom you sent forth, Jesus Christ.

Answer 12

Simply put Kevin. None of the disciples or followers of Christ thought him Almighty God. They as well as the Jews back then and these today know that the Creator of the Universe is ONE Creator, One God.

Of him the disciples and apostles of Christ said: “Sovereign Lord, you are the One who made the heaven and the earth and the sea and all the things in them.” The very ground we walk upon belongs to Jehovah: “The earth belongs to Jehovah, and so does its fullness.” Jehovah, the supreme Sovereign, is one. He is not a triune God, for that would deny his supremacy. Jehovah himself declares: “I am Jehovah, that is my name; and my glory will I not give to another.” That Jehovah truly is one God, we have the words of Moses: “Listen, O Israel: Jehovah our God is one Jehovah.”—Acts 4:24:Deut. 6:4

It took people hundreds of years after Christ left the earthly scene to come up with the doctrine of the Trinity. Can you imagine How The followers of Christ would have reacted Initially when Jesus told them that he was going to Die .. had he been God Almighty?? Almighty God Dying?.. Goodness, believers In God's word know that Satan who is the " god of this system of things " IS going to Die.. but the Creator? People dont use their Heads when thinking on that concept alone..

Answer 13

Jesus himself said it. The JWs are all hung up on the name of G-d, as if G-d's name were a key to Heaven. Jesus told the disciples to await the coming of the Holy Spirit, G-d's other person, who would descend upon them and bless them in ways that would enable them to make the blind see, etc. This is celebrated every year during Pentecost. Jesus himself answered in the affirmative when Pilate asked him; when the Sanhedrin asked him (they rent their garments in frustration, as well, because they didn't like the answer!).

St. Patrick showed the pagan Irish how it was possible for the Trinity to be real through the example of the shamrock: the three leaves were distinct members of the one plant, Without one, the shamrock is not a shamrock, without three, it is just a stem. G-d the father, G-d the son, and G-d the Holy Spirit are three persons within one Almighty being, the first miracle.

Answer 14

I don't understand either, is Jesus the son of God or God? If he was god then he couldn't have died and that would punch a big hole the the whole belief system. If he was the son of God then he didn't really sacrifice anything as he knew where he was going, and why didn't God do the sacrifice if he is so great, why get his son as a sacrificial lamb?

Answer 15

The JW bible states that Jesus was "a god" in John 1:1. The Bible states that "was God."



The JW bible contradicts itself, due to saying that Jesus was "a god" and saying in Isaiah 45 & 46 numerous times, that Jehovah is the only God, there is none other. For someone to say they are "a god" is nothing more than their claim, but for the "bible" to say He was "a god", then say in another place that He is no God, is contradictory.



Check out 1Timothy 3:16. Ask your JW friend who is being talked about in this verse in their bible.



KJV: God was manifest in the flesh...

JW "bible": he was made known in the flesh (WHO IS HE???)

Answer 16

You are vulnerable, get grounded and secure in you faith.

The JW's do not believe in the Deity of Jesus, nor the Holy Trinity. Do not give them your time nor attempt to convert them as you will become more confused as you have exhibited already by your questions.

With regard to the catholic church, they do embrace the Deity of Jesus and the Holy Trinity, however, their man made doctrine places the Pope as head of the church vs the Protestant believe of Jesus as head of the church.

In every Catholic church there is a remnant, grounded believers,that understand the under lying basics of true Christianity

Answer 17

Jehova Witness? Is that how low you went to ask a Jehova Witness? They are the ones saying there are seats in heaven, and there are a few remaining, like if it would be a convention of some kind.

Answer 18

The trinity has always been hard to explain...and the word trinity is nowhere in the bible. The catholic church came up with it, to explain the three God heads...God, Jesus, the holy spirit. and our pastor, andy stanley basically explained it like this.



you have GOD THE FATHER

JESUS THE SON

AND THE HOLY SPIRIT.



just as with the family unit, you have a father, his children, and the spirit of love that holds them together., they are all seperate beings, but united together.



the trinity is the perfect unit. they are each seperate entities, seperate beings, but one in the same purpose, thoughts and Goals.

Answer 19

Wotterme...So the holy ghost is God's dad?Interesting.Never heard it put that way before. You seem reasonably intelligent. Sure you're not playing for the wrong team?

Answer 20

Christ was both. He is a part of the Godhead which consists of God the Father, God (Jesus) the Son, and the Holy Spirit. They come together as one.

Answer 21

don't they believe that jesus is the human form of god? but son is just easier to say than human form?



Either that or this is just another confirmation that they don't know what they are talking about.

Answer 22

Kevin



The roman catholic church did not "come up with this". This is a Biblical doctrine that people have misunderstood for many years. I will be glad to share with you what I have learned.



First, the Bibles teaches us that there is one God, and that His nature is decribed as trinity. Though I believe that the word "triune" best describes the nature of God. You see, too many who believe in the trinity teach the plurality of God so strong that they are more tri-theists that trinitarians. Let me see if I can share with you what I have found...



The Bible teaches us that there is one God. The Word declares that He is the eternal, omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent, sovereign, and immutable triune God; and it declares the unity of the Godhead where three personalities, equal in every divine perfection and attribute, execute distinct, harmonious offices, in the great work of redemption.



This does not mean that there are three "people" called God, but rather a way of saying God eternally exists in three personally distinct ways. Scriptures declare that there is only one God, Who is eternally (past, present, and future) manifested/revealed as Father, Son, and Holy Ghost.



1 John 5:7, 2 Cor. 13:14, John 1:1,2, Rev. 4:2-5 & 5:1-7



The Father - Co-existent, co-eternal, and co-equal with the Son and the Holy Spirit. He is the Creator and Giver of life. He is God revealed as Father in creation.

Scripture References: Isa. 43:10; 44:8, John 3:16, James 1:17, John 4:24



The Son - Co-existent, co-eternal, and co-equal with the Father and the Holy Spirit. Jesus was conceived by the Spirit and born of a virgin, to take upon Himself the form of man. By becoming obedient unto death, Jesus bore the curse of sin, sickness and sorrow redeeming us back to Himself. He arose the third day and ascended unto heaven, there He sits on the right hand of the Father, where He ever lives to make intercession for us. He is God revealed as Son in redemption.

Scripture References: John 1:1-3, Matt. 1:23 , 1 Tim. 2:5, Eph. 2:18 , Phil. 2:6-11



The Holy Spirit - Co-existent, co-eternal and co-equal with the Father and the Son. Sent by the Father, through the Son, He reproves the world of sin, prepares the church for Christ's return, and empowers the believer to follow the Lord. He is God revealed as Holy Ghost in regeneration.

Scripture References: John 14:26 ; 15:26 ; 16:8



Another way of understanding this definition of the nature of God, is to understand His attributes. By attributes I mean His omniscience (He knows all things), His omnipotence (He is all powerful), and His omnipresence’s (He is everywhere at the same time, and at all times). His omnipresence’s allows us to (in a very simplistic way) to see how He can be Father, Son, and Holy Spirit at the same time. Being omnipresent He is not only everywhere at the same time, He is everywhere at every time. God is here, now, at this present time. But He is also in the future. He is already there because He is not limited by time. He is also in the past. You see, time is linier. Time had a starting point (Gen. 1:1) and it will come to an end (Rev. 10:6). But God is eternal. He has no beginning, and He will have no end. Therefore time itself existents within God, God does not exists within time. I know this is deep, but it does help understand how the One true and Living God is eternally manifested as Father, Son, and Holy Ghost.



Hope this helps.



Elder Greg

http://www.forministry.com/USOKPENTEMMM1

Answer 23

Assalamualaikum (Peace be upon you)



This trinitarian belief came about after the Council of Nicea. Jesus (peace be upon him) preached the oneness of God and never preached the trinity, he worshipped the same one true, unique and incomparable Lord that we Muslims do and there is plenty of proof for this from the Bible itself:

http://www.jamaat.net/deedat.htm

http://sultan.org/#i&c

http://www.bibleperversion.com/



Peace be upon you

Answer 24

The Trinity is not in the Bible But Jesus is God and Jesus created the earth

Answer 25

And if you were a Jehovah's Witness and you ran into a Catholic....get my drift ;)



Your problem is not related to your faith. It's you. Love God with your whole mind. Know your Faith, man. You are a scandal no matter what you profess.

Answer 26

At the Council of Nicea. The Arianists were outnumbered.

Answer 27

Keep studying. I'm sure you'll realize that Jesus is God and that there is no trinity.

Answer 28

catholicizm has it's own doctrine, and jw's their own as well. neither in my mind have all of the answers, just more, and different questions.to me it's a simple relationship, a being (me) and a creator (Father, Son, and Spirit). I encourage you to explore both doctrines, but don't believe every thing you hear. God bless.

Answer 29

he is neither ... not God ..nor Gods son... he was merely annointed by God just like Moses was an no more..



and Jesus said unto him, ' why thou callest me good. none is good but God ' (matthew 19;17)



'men of israel, Jesus, the son of Mary, a man appointed by God ' ( Acts 2:22)

Answer 30

If you were to bother reading the Scriptures, especially Paul's letters, you'll see the tri-une nature of the Godhead very clearly.



If you're going to believe the jw's, then you might have to throw out everything you believe about the Bible to believe them.



But this isn't strictly a RC belief. This the belief of the mainstream denominations.

Answer 31

Nicean Creed---a group a men got together to debate on the nature of God and then vote on "truth"

Answer 32

Paul who showed on scene after Jesus died and began to write, Constantine declared Rome a Christian state and Paul had the book ready for marketing.

Answer 33

Jesus is called the Son of God because he was born by the power of God (the father) in the womb of Mary.



This is the trinity:



The Athanasian Creed



1. Whosoever will be saved, before all things it is necessary that he hold the catholic faith;

2. Which faith except every one do keep whole and undefiled, without doubt he shall perish everlastingly.

3. And the catholic faith is this: That we worship one God in Trinity, and Trinity in Unity;

4. For there is one person of the Father, another of the Son, and another of the Holy Spirit.

5. For there is one person of the Father, another of the Son, and another of the Holy Spirit.

6. But the Godhead of the Father, of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit is all one, the glory equal, the majesty coeternal.

7. Such as the Father is, such is the Son, and such is the Holy Spirit.

8. The Father uncreated, the Son uncreated, and the Holy Spirit uncreated.

9. The Father incomprehensible, the Son incomprehensible, and the Holy Spirit incomprehensible.

10. The Father eternal, the Son eternal, and the Holy Spirit eternal.

11. And yet they are not three eternals but one eternal.

12. As also there are not three uncreated nor three incomprehensible, but one uncreated and one incomprehensible.

13. So likewise the Father is almighty, the Son almighty, and the Holy Spirit almighty.

14. And yet they are not three almighties, but one almighty.

15. So the Father is God, the Son is God, and the Holy Spirit is God;

16. And yet they are not three Gods, but one God.

17. So likewise the Father is Lord, the Son Lord, and the Holy Spirit Lord;

18. And yet they are not three Lords but one Lord.

19. For like as we are compelled by the Christian verity to acknowledge every Person by himself to be God and Lord;

20. So are we forbidden by the catholic religion to say; There are three Gods or three Lords.

21. The Father is made of none, neither created nor begotten.

22. The Son is of the Father alone; not made nor created, but begotten.

23. The Holy Spirit is of the Father and of the Son; neither made, nor created, nor begotten, but proceeding.

24. So there is one Father, not three Fathers; one Son, not three Sons; one Holy Spirit, not three Holy Spirits.

25. And in this Trinity none is afore or after another; none is greater or less than another.

26. But the whole three persons are coeternal, and coequal.

27. So that in all things, as aforesaid, the Unity in Trinity and the Trinity in Unity is to be worshipped.

28. He therefore that will be saved must thus think of the Trinity.

29. Furthermore it is necessary to everlasting salvation that he also believe rightly the incarnation of our Lord Jesus Christ.

30. For the right faith is that we believe and confess that our Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of God, is God and man.

31. God of the substance of the Father, begotten before the worlds; and man of substance of His mother, born in the world.

32. Perfect God and perfect man, of a reasonable soul and human flesh subsisting.

33. Equal to the Father as touching His Godhead, and inferior to the Father as touching His manhood.

34. Who, although He is God and man, yet He is not two, but one Christ.

35. One, not by conversion of the Godhead into flesh, but by taking of the manhood into God.

36. One altogether, not by confusion of substance, but by unity of person.

37. For as the reasonable soul and flesh is one man, so God and man is one Christ;

38. Who suffered for our salvation, descended into hell, rose again the third day from the dead;

39. He ascended into heaven, He sits on the right hand of the Father, God, Almighty;

40. From thence He shall come to judge the quick and the dead.

41. At whose coming all men shall rise again with their bodies;

42. and shall give account of their own works.

43. And they that have done good shall go into life everlasting and they that have done evil into everlasting fire.

44. This is the catholic faith, which except a man believe faithfully he cannot be saved.

Answer 34

Blind belief is dangerous and destructive!. Bible tells us to prove things.

(I Thessalonians 5:21): “Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.”





The teachings of the Church contradict the teachings of Jesus (pbuh) and that is the cause of the confusion. If a sincere christian who wants to follow Jesus, asks priests about trinity, the answer that he gets is "It is a Mystery, not explained by Jesus clearly", at that time again those forget that Jesus said,



"I spoke openly to the world. I always taught in synagogues and in the temple, where the Jews always meet, and in secret I have said nothing" (John 18:20 (NKJ)).



There was no mystery in the message of Jesus, nothing secret. Will you accept the priests' so called "mystery of trinity" and forget clear commandments of Jesus? Trinity or divinity of Jesus to be anywhere close to basis of chritain faith would have to be there in bible in clear words in any even one book of bible, with Jesus saying I am God, worship me, which is not. Doesn't it mean something to you.

Jesus clearly said:



A) Mark 12:29: "the Lord our God, the lord is One".

B) Metthew: 26:39: "He went a little farther and fell on His face and prayed" (Following Jesus way is following what he did). Jesus prayed to one God

C) Matthew 4:10 "You shall worship the Lord, your God, and him only you shall serve"

D) John 14:28 reads-- " You heard that I said to you,I am going away and i am coming back to you. If you loved me , you would rejoice that I am going my way to the Father,BECAUSE THE FATHER IS GREATER THAN I AM"

E) Mark 13:32: "But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father."

F) John 5:19: "Most truly I say to you, the son cannot do a single thing of his own initiative but only what he beholds the father doing."

G) Matthew 19:17. "And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments."

H) Jesus answered them, and said, My doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me

John 7:16



What if Jesus were to ask these questions to you today:

Question 1. Why did u address your devotions to me instead it should have been to true God? Did I ever direct u to do it, or porpose myself as an object of religious worship?



Question 2 . When my disciples requested me to teach them to pray(Luke 11: 1-2),did I teach them to pray to myself or to any person but Father?





The trinity is a doctrine from about the year 325 AD, It has its roots in polytheism, pagan religion, and pagan philosophy (most probably added to christianity by humans to make it more acceptable to worshippers of more than one God). It is not in the bible unless you really, really stretch it to fit.



The New Catholic Encyclopedia - 1967, VOL. XIV, PAGE 299:



The formulation "one God in three Persons" was not solidly established, certainly not fully assimilated into Christian life and its profession of faith, PRIOR TO THE END OF THE 4TH CENTURY. But it is precisely this formulation that first claimed to title "The Trinitarian Dogma. AMONG THE APOSTOLIC FATHERS, THERE HAD BEEN NOTHING EVEN REMOTELY APPROACHING SUCH A MENTALITY OR PERSPECTIVE.





You should not accept the word “son” literally . Word "son" was used in bible for general human beings and other prophets also. "we all are the children of father in heavens" indicates that word "son" was used in different meaning of love and care.



Mathew: 5:9. "Blessed are the peacemakers, for they will be called the sons of God.”



Exodus 4:22.

“And thou (Moses) shalt say unto Pharaoh, thus saith the Lord, Israel is my son, even my firstborn.”





The belief that Jesus died for our sins and salvation is gurarenteed for believers of Jesus is not what Jesus preached. It contradicts with interpretations and additions done by scribes/ historians centuries after Jesus.



Matt 5:20 For I tell you, unless your righteousness (your uprightness and your right standing with God) is more than that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven.



There is no guranteed heaven for anyone, this life is a test, whether you pass and enter heaven or fail,.



Jesus said, "I will give you the keys to the kingdom of heaven. Whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven; and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven." (Matthew 16:19)





Jesus, Moses, Mohammad (p.b.u.h), they all worshiped the same God, the God of Ibrahim. All prophets taught "surrendering one's will to God" that is the meaning of word "Islam". Word "christianity" did not exist at the time of Christ, but you will find Jesus teachings to be "surrender your will to God" in bible many times.



JAMES 4:7 Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you.





Mohammad (peace be upon him) was also a messenger of God, who never claimed to be God, the same way Jesus or Moses never claimed to be God, nor did they ever say worship me. Bible confirms the coming of another true prophet as:



"The Comforter, the Spirit of Truth, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all that I said unto you."

[Bible - John 14:26]





If only the genuine followers of Jesus, who truly love him, read the Bible in context, and study the Qur’an, they will definitely reach the conclusion that GOD IS ONE, without any partners; and Jesus (pbuh) the son of Mary (pbuh) is a messenger of GOD!



Muslims love Jesus, they believe in his miraculous birth with the will of God without a father or sexual act (the way Adam was born without a mother and father), , they believe in miracles that Jesus performed with permission of God, muslims faith demands them to believe Jesus was a great prophet of God and belief in the original message of Jesus the massaya.



Qur’an, revealed to the Prophet Muhammed some 600 years after Jesus, (pbut) corrects the errors that crept (knowingly or unknowingly) into the message that Jesus brought. This book should prove to be a very valuable asset to both Muslims and Christians





The Holy Qur’an warns in Surah 5:73& 74: “They do blaspheme who say, Allah is Christ the son of Mary. But said Christ: O’ Children of Israel! Worship Allah, my Lord and your Lord. Whoever joins other gods with Allah- Allah will forbid him the garden, (i.e. paradise) and the fire will be his abode. There will for the wrong doers, be no one to help”. “Surely they are disbelievers, those who say: Allah is one of the three in a Trinity: But there is none who has the right to be worshiped but one God (i.e. Allah). And if they cease not from what they say, verily a painful torment will befall the disbelievers among them”.



Decide whether you love Jesus and want to follow his clear words and be saved, or love other human beings who gave different meaning to his original words.

Does this answer some of your questions?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N48Ymna9q...

Find out the truth:

www.sultan.org/books/

muslimchristianialogue.pdf

Answer 35

kinda makes you wonder.

Answer 36

Trinity: Onions, Celery and bell pepper...a common vegetable base used in Cajun cooking.

Answer 37

The trinity is like your Grandpa. He is a son, father, and a grandpa. He is three people in one.

Answer 38

CATHOLICS are correct....Matt 28:19