Question:
I am an atheist. I have heard some Christians claim that science supports the existance of god...?
anonymous
1970-01-01 00:00:00 UTC
I am an atheist. I have heard some Christians claim that science supports the existance of god...?
33 answers:
starterman
2010-02-04 18:23:16 UTC
Job 26:7; The earth free floats in space

Hebrews 11:3; Creation is made of particles, which can't be seen by human eyes.

Genesis 6:15; The perfect dimensions for a stable water vessel

Leviticus 15:13; When dealing with disease, use running water

Deuteronomy 23:12-13; The birth of the sanitation industry

Job 38:16; The ocean contains springs

Jonah 2:5-6; There are mountains on the bottom of the ocean

Leviticus 17:11;14; Blood is the source of life, and health, Up til 120 years ago, folks were "bled" to be rid of disease.

Genesis 2:7; 3:19; Our bodies are made of dust. Scientists have confirmed that we are comprised of some 28 base and trace elements- all which are found IN the earth.

Genesis 2:2; The First Law of Thermodynamics

Psalm 102:25-26; The Second Law of Thermodynamics

And there are so many more. The Bible is truth. Back to work, Read, study, and learn, DAILY!
Paul
2010-02-04 17:44:09 UTC
They can't but that doesn't stop them trying.



They pick some scripture from the bible which happens to gel pretty well with some scientific theory. Here's a couple of examples so you can see what I mean:



Job 26:7 He spreads out the northern skies over empty space; he suspends the earth over nothing.



Astronomically true, they argue how did a religion as old as Judaism know that the earth was not suspended on anything many years before people understood gravity and the heliocentric model of the solar system.



Job 26:8 He wraps up the waters in his clouds, yet the clouds do not burst under their weight.



and



Ecclesiastes 1:7 All streams flow into the sea, yet the sea is never full. To the place the streams come from, there they return again.



The water cycle clearly explained.



I saw it so many times in the 20 years or so I was a christian. Christians and Muslims (especially young ones and recent converts) pounce on verses like this from the bible or the koran and having read these scriptures jump up and down and proclaim in their excitement that they have found scientific proof of God, but these people have never studied the philosophy of science or the philosophy of religion.
.
2010-02-04 17:40:55 UTC
Possible Explanations:

Some people feel a force such as gravity pulls everything together and that force is 'God'. Some people feel the balance and the cycle of life, and how the planets rotate the sun, the sun is just another galaxy rotating the universe, that the centre of the universe is God pulling us all to 'it' and rotating around 'it'. Just like some people feel, there is such spirits like Mother Nature. Some people think perhaps God is ever changing just like the universe, maybe God is the universe. I personally believe everything is a cycle and in balance. For example, we exploit Mother Nature's fossil fuels and kill whole bunch of animals, then climate change shoots back at us. Karma basically. So if some people feel these natural occurrences are part of God, then maybe they are right. Maybe not. I just think it's important to be a good person, and respect other people's beliefs, and they should in return respect yours.

As for Christians, I doubt God is a 'he' and he can really fly on earth and create everything. There could be explanations about a black hole or such exploding and creating all matter. That can only be explained to you by a scientist, which I'm not.
Donald M
2010-02-04 17:49:36 UTC
Science- thing about discovery. thing is Science isn't absolute. It will change when new things are discovered.



now alright lets take dinosaurs for example.

Dinosaurs where high above the ground, no?

then for those with the least bit of curosity to read the first things of the book of Genesis will say "hey where are the dinos?" well they don't describe them in it. Well lets look at genesis 3:14 the punishment of the serpents. where God had cursed all reptiles to have to crawl on their belly. now compare dinosaurs to our day.

Dinosaur- high above the ground

today's reptiles- all on their stomach

and if some guy could not know that all across the world that all reptiles had to be on their belly, so there is thing. God had told him to right this down.



second thing,

How did the dinosaurs get under the water so far and separated?

Hello like right after Adam and Eve's banishment is the writings on Noah's time.

The whole ark deal of the flooding waters. And you know what water does to the ground. erosion and all.

"pangaea?"

ya pangaea was reall and like that... but those rushing waters may have to pushed the lands apart like so. (however i cannot back up the pangaea thing with nothing but that thought)



but if your asking about the outerspace stuff then heres this:

if you say that science did it and not God then you would be foolish.

God can do anything. so lets say if God wants the big bang... then let it be so. God doesn't have anything to tells how he made the universe so that we don't attempt anything
?
2010-02-04 17:54:52 UTC
And yet our explanation accounts for every detail regarding the creation of the earth. Atheism and evolution leave out one important detail . . . how the universe began. In school I've been learning about evolution and I have to say it leaves a LOT to chance.



Carbon dating? Half lives? Scientists don't account for outside factors that might speed up the decaying process. They make fun of people who miss important details like these, while they make the same mistakes. You know, Darwin said that if certain fossils were not ever found, the THEORY of evolution would completely fall apart. You know, the missing links? Well guess what, they never have been found. So are you atheists saying that you believe his Origin of Species, but not anything else he ever said? If so, you should start fact-checking yourselves.



And God? The bible specifically says that blessed are those who believe without seeing. It's a faith. And don't cringe away from the word. Everyone has faith. You have faith that the building you're in won't collapse on top of you. You have faith that nobody's tampered with your chair to make it fall. You have faith that the air you breath in isn't too polluted to take in. And that the food you order from a restaurant wasn't poisoned. And do any of you have ANY proof whatsoever to back up these beliefs? No. You do these things blindly. That's just the way some things are. You can't live life going only on obvious fact, or you'll never do anything. (Although, I would say that the existence of God falls under the 'obvious fact' category).



However, there are also plenty of books out there that show MANY examples of archaeological finds that support what went on in the bible. There are also quite a few reliable sources (found outside of the bible) that support the facts in the new testament. I'd recommend Lee Strobel's books for more details on these.
Micah M
2010-02-04 17:44:51 UTC
Why don't you just look it up in a text book. The science does not so much try to prove God exists, so much as proving that the Bible has fact to it. Fact such by as that the cities truly did exist, and the flood is the reason for the worlds continents being the way they are. What evolutionists assume to be one thing, Christians assume it to be another.



It is not as if they are ignorant as you assume. Pick up the book. Believing in evolution is just as ignorant. You are aware the guy that started it all admitted to it being false, and accepted God back into his heart. So if Darwin didn't even believe it then why do you?





In essence they are backing up the Bible which therein supports the belief of God. It is what it is.



P.S. If you find this to be so "hog wash" then why are there so many flamers on the subject. You asked a question and I am the only one who answered it for you. The others should not waste so much space on their hatred. It is quite annoying really.
B Knott Wildered
2010-02-06 00:11:07 UTC
That is funny. Christians deny they very thing that would prove it. These quotes may seem long, but I think it will answer your question.



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Religion and Science are inter-twined with each other and cannot be separated. These are the two wings with which humanity must fly. One wing is not enough. Every religion which does not concern itself with Science is mere tradition, and that is not the essential. Therefore science, education and civilization are most important necessities for the full religious life.



(Abdu'l-Baha, Abdu'l-Baha in London, p. 28)



If any religion rejected Science and knowledge, that religion was false. Science and Religion should go forward together; indeed, they should be like two fingers of one hand.



(Abdu'l-Baha, Abdu'l-Baha in London, p. 70)



Sciences of former ages and philosophies of the past are useless today.



(Abdu'l-Baha, Baha'i World Faith - Abdu'l-Baha Section, p. 224)



The fourth teaching of Bahá'u'lláh is the agreement of religion and science. God has endowed man with intelligence and reason whereby he is required to determine the verity of questions and propositions. If religious beliefs and opinions are found contrary to the standards of science they are mere superstitions and imaginations; for the antithesis of knowledge is ignorance, and the child of ignorance is superstition. Unquestionably there must be agreement between true religion and science. If a question be found contrary to reason, faith and belief in it are impossible and there is no outcome but wavering and vacillation.



(Abdu'l-Baha, Baha'i World Faith - Abdu'l-Baha Section, p. 239)



[ Note the following paragraph was written in 1890. Einstein was born in 1879, making him 10 or 11. -- BKW]



Strange and astonishing things exist in the earth but they are hidden from the minds and the understanding of men. These things are capable of changing the whole atmosphere of the earth and their contamination would prove lethal. (14)



It is noteworthy that in 1911 in Paris in the course of a conversation with Viscount Arawaka, the Japanese Ambassador to Spain, 'Abdu'l-Bahá spoke these words:



Scientific discoveries have increased material civilization. There is in existence a stupendous force, as yet, happily, undiscovered by man. Let us supplicate God, the Beloved, that this force be not discovered by science until spiritual civilization shall dominate the human mind. In the hands of men of lower material nature, this power would be able to destroy the whole earth.'(15)



In a previous volume[1] there is a reference to the words of Bahá'u'lláh concerning the discovery of alchemy, the transmutation of elements, which He links with the coming of a great calamity for the whole world. It is known that the transmutation of elements is now possible through certain nuclear processes.

[1 See vol. 2, p. 268.]



(Adib Taherzadeh, The Revelation of Baha'u'llah v 4, p. 225)



For an online version of a now out of print magazine giving an excellent overview of the Baha'i Faith, (except the statistics are out of date). A newer and different printed version is available. Contact your local Baha'i community for a copy.

http://www.bahai.com/thebahais/
Mr. Magoo
2010-02-04 17:39:46 UTC
There are some people who try to use science to do that. For example, suppose the mass of the universe is known (which scientists claim it is). And suppose you can show mathematically that given the known mass of the universe, the probability that that mass would combine in such a way as to produce life is virtually zero. You could then extrapolate that by saying God must exist because a guiding hand was necessary to create life when it is impossible for it to have occurred randomly. http://www.genesisfoundation.org/ie4.html
✮ White Buddha ✮ aka Phoenyx ✮
2010-02-04 17:45:28 UTC
Nothing can prove or disprove God. Some creationists say that the world proves there is a God, and some atheists will claim evolution disproves God.



Both of them are wrong because you can't prove the existence, or lack there of, of a supernatural being.
AndiGravity
2010-02-04 17:50:30 UTC
Science doesn't support the existence of God. Neither does logic. A sloppy misinterpretation of both can lead to the false conclusion they do.



For instance, many theists will claim the complexity of life is proof of the existence of God. However, the complexity of life is proof only that life is complex. You must prove divine intervention to prove God exists, and thus far we have not had to turn to any supernatural causes to explain life.



They will also try and use the Second Law of Thermodynamics to say life cannot naturally occur in the Universe because the Second Law of Thermodynamics says things can only break down into simpler components, while the Theory of Evolution says we evolved from simpler forms to become more complex over time. Unfortunately, the Second Law of Thermodynamics says no such thing. It states that working systems will tend to lose energy to heat through inefficiency. The upshot is that an isolated system which isn't supplied with outside energy will eventually run out of work energy and cease to function, and since the Universe is an isolated system, the sum total entropy of it has to continually increase. However, entropy on a local scale can decrease if compensated for by an increase of entropy elsewhere (in this case, the Earth receives additional work energy from the Sun, which expends an enormous amount of work energy as heat, thus compensating for any decreases in entropy here... so it's not an applicable argument).



The list goes on from there. "Where did the material for the Big Bang come from?" "We don't know." "Ah-hah, God did it just like I said!" (False dichotomy.)



Lee Strobel is fond of quoting highly improbable events. For instance, he's quick to point out that the odds of a protein spontaneously forming out of 100 amino acids is something like 1 x 10^100, which is a hugely improbable event. However, the odds of you dealing out ten poker hands, of five cards each, from a fifty two card deck are 1 in 8.06581752 × 10^67, so he's basically pointing out that it's slightly more improbable for a protein to spontaneously form than it is for you to play a couple of rounds of poker.



But, he'll also tell you that if you made a ruler the entire width of the Universe and adjusted the gravitational constant by just ONE INCH, life would be impossible. Really? How does he know that? Does he have a pocket Universe he can twiddle the dials on to come up with that answer?



Let's see... they'll also whip out a bevy of Bible verses to say they demonstrate divine knowledge. For instance, the Bible says the winds blow down from the north, then blow up from the south and back down again in a circuit. Theoretically that has to be divine knowledge because, I guess, humans are too stupid to notice which way the wind blows at certain times of year... but that also happens to be wrong since the Earth's atmosphere circulates west to east.



And they'll tell you the Bible knew blood was important and we didn't discover that until thousands of years later (if you don't count the fact Egyptian physicians had a detailed understanding of the circulatory system, the importance of blood, and the dangers of blood loss).



Etc, etc, etc... I have yet to see them put forward a single fact or argument that genuinely indicates the existence of God rather than a misinterpretation by the person making the claim.



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And you can see many fine examples of the phenomena in your Q&A. Buddy's misinterpreting the Laws of Thermodynamics. A couple of your answerers have confused personal belief with scientific fact and are trying to convince you by saying some famous scientists believed in God. One person's pointed to Scriptures to suggest the Bible was written by God because it's correct in stating clouds are made of water (a fact we couldn't possibly have known, what with how common it is for it to rain without clouds overhead, I note sarcastically), yet another has tried to claim that science proves the Bible as fact because you can confirm some of the historical details (the implication being that if you can confirm any detail, the rest must necessarily be true, though if it is I feel gypped because that means Harry Potter is true since we can confirm cities and locations in it, and I definitely think I should be more than just a muggle).



And the list goes on and on. Like I said, misinterpretation.
James O
2010-02-04 17:42:12 UTC
Causality

only absolute nothing can come from absolute nothing



Mathematical probability is on the side of the existence of an Eternal Infinite "Prime Mover"
Chris G
2010-02-04 17:41:20 UTC
Creation by Intelligent Design? Many people in the scientific community are starting to acknowledge this concept. I'm sure you could Google it and find numerous links/websites.
Franklin
2010-02-04 17:34:06 UTC
It doesn't. There are no data for "god".





"The laws of thermodynamics make it clear the universe is not eternal and could not produce itself out of absolute nothing with no cause."



No, they don't. Re-inventing the laws of thermodynamics so that your faith fits into a cute little box is pathetic.





If "god" created the universe, who created "god"??? That's where creationists fail. They demand that "everything has cause"... what caused "god"????



Creation by Intelligent Design? Many people in the scientific community are starting to acknowledge this concept. I'm sure you could Google it and find numerous links/websites.



No, there aren't many people in the scientific community who acknowledge this concept. Know why??? It's not testable.



What experiment could you do to test "god made me and loves me"??? What instruments would you have in your creation science laboratory???
anonymous
2010-02-04 17:39:01 UTC
What's your definition of god? Are you talking about Jesus about 2000 years ago? If this is the case yes history can prove that there's a man name Jesus was born... Science does not deal w/ imaginary world. And science did not say anything about god or the creator. All they know is the Big Bang theory :)
interested1208
2010-02-04 17:37:20 UTC
It doesn't, they just like to say that...



It has been asked repeatedly with no response that makes any sense... or they quote their own creationist 'scientists' like Dr. Dino...



One of their favorites is, 'just look around you, there must be a god...' not exactly scientific, I could say the same thing about pixies...
?
2010-02-04 17:39:08 UTC
The book of Genesis is possibly the first Science textbook. If things are evolving God created them to do that. If we evolved from monkeys, why are human babies born of humans and not from monkeys?



I love to watch the History Channel. Tonight it was on the History of sugar and the many uses it has. Corn is the same way. Something that we can eat, make cooking oil from, make fuel for our cars from did not just happen with a bang. A creator with unending knowledge created them.



A relationship with God is not head knowledge, it is heart knowledge. Open your heart to Him, seek Him with your whole heart and you will find Him.
Corey
2010-02-04 17:42:20 UTC
It's called bearing false witness and fraud according to their holy book. We just call it lies.
anonymous
2010-02-04 17:36:07 UTC
The extreme complexity of everything and how it all functions. It is mind blowing. Certainly there must be a God.



Can we trust the Bible? An article on the evidence...

http://www.amazingfacts.org/FreeStuff/BibleStudies/StudyGuides/tabid/105/ctl/ViewMedia/mid/453/IID/2-1/LNG/en/SC/R/Default.aspx?7=Is-There-Anything-Left-You-Can-Trust?
anonymous
2010-02-04 17:38:07 UTC
When i was a kid i tried to prove to my parents that my imaginary friend was real but than i grew up Christians just havent grown up yet
?
2010-02-04 17:35:00 UTC
Their "evidence" is since science can't disprove God, is proof on it's self.
Buddy R
2010-02-04 17:34:55 UTC
The laws of thermodynamics make it clear the universe is not eternal and could not produce itself out of absolute nothing with no cause.



That leaves a theistic explaination as the only rational option.



The first cause had to be self-existant, immaterial, timeless, spaceless, intelligent, and powerful. God.
anonymous
2010-02-04 17:48:27 UTC
yes it does.



it's not like I can explain all of science in a few short words on Y!Answers, though.

modern christian scientists that have written boks etc. supporting this are Chick Missler and Ben Stein (among many)



some scientists you may have heard of:

1. Nicholas Copernicus (1473-1543)

Copernicus was the Polish astronomer who put forward the first mathematically based system of planets going around the sun. He attended various European universities, and became a Canon in the Catholic church in 1497. His new system was actually first presented in the Vatican gardens in 1533 before Pope Clement VII who approved, and urged Copernicus to publish it around this time. Copernicus was never under any threat of religious persecution - and was urged to publish both by Catholic Bishop Guise, Cardinal Schonberg, and the Protestant Professor George Rheticus. Copernicus referred sometimes to God in his works, and did not see his system as in conflict with the Bible.

2. Johannes Kepler (1571-1630)

Kepler was a brilliant mathematician and astronomer. He did early work on light, and established the laws of planetary motion about the sun. He also came close to reaching the Newtonian concept of universal gravity - well before Newton was born! His introduction of the idea of force in astronomy changed it radically in a modern direction. Kepler was an extremely sincere and pious Lutheran, whose works on astronomy contain writings about how space and the heavenly bodies represent the Trinity. Kepler suffered no persecution for his open avowal of the sun-centered system, and, indeed, was allowed as a Protestant to stay in Catholic Graz as a Professor (1595-1600) when other Protestants had been expelled!

3. Galileo Galilei (1564-1642)

Galileo is often remembered for his conflict with the Roman Catholic Church. His controversial work on the solar system was published in 1633. It had no proofs of a sun-centered system (Galileo's telescope discoveries did not indicate a moving earth) and his one "proof" based upon the tides was invalid. It ignored the correct elliptical orbits of planets published twenty five years earlier by Kepler. Since his work finished by putting the Pope's favorite argument in the mouth of the simpleton in the dialogue, the Pope (an old friend of Galileo's) was very offended. After the "trial" and being forbidden to teach the sun-centered system, Galileo did his most useful theoretical work, which was on dynamics. Galileo expressly said that the Bible cannot err, and saw his system as an alternate interpretation of the biblical texts.

4. Isaac Newton (1642-1727)

In optics, mechanics, and mathematics, Newton was a figure of undisputed genius and innovation. In all his science (including chemistry) he saw mathematics and numbers as central. What is less well known is that he was devoutly religious and saw numbers as involved in understanding God's plan for history from the Bible. He did a considerable work on biblical numerology, and, though aspects of his beliefs were not orthodox, he thought theology was very important. In his system of physics, God is essential to the nature and absoluteness of space. In Principia he stated, "The most beautiful system of the sun, planets, and comets, could only proceed from the counsel and dominion on an intelligent and powerful Being."

5. Robert Boyle (1791-1867)

One of the founders and key early members of the Royal Society, Boyle gave his name to "Boyle's Law" for gases, and also wrote an important work on chemistry. Encyclopedia Britannica says of him: "By his will he endowed a series of Boyle lectures, or sermons, which still continue, 'for proving the Christian religion against notorious infidels...' As a devout Protestant, Boyle took a special interest in promoting the Christian religion abroad, giving money to translate and publish the New Testament into Irish and Turkish. In 1690 he developed his theological views in The Christian Virtuoso, which he wrote to show that the study of nature was a central religious duty." Boyle wrote against atheists in his day (the notion that atheism is a modern invention is a myth), and was clearly much more devoutly Christian than the average in his era.

6. William Thomson Kelvin (1824-1907)

Kelvin was foremost among the small group of British scientists who helped to lay the foundations of modern physics. His work covered many areas of physics, and he was said to have more letters after his name than anyone else in the Commonwealth, since he received numerous honorary degrees from European Universities, which recognized the value of his work. He was a very committed Christian, who was certainly more religious than the average for his era. Interestingly, his fellow physicists George Gabriel Stokes (1819-1903) and James Clerk Maxwell (1831-1879) were also men of deep Christian commitment, in an era when many were nominal, apathetic, or anti-Christian. The Ency

7. Albert Einstein (1879-1955)

Einstein is probably the best known and most highly revered scientist of the twentieth century, and is associated with major revolutions in our thinking about time, gravity, and the conversion of matter to energy (E=mc2). Although never coming to belief in a personal God, he recognized the impossibility of a non-created universe. The Encyclopedia Britannica says of him: "Firmly denying atheism, Einstein expressed a belief in "Spinoza's God who reveals himself in the harmony of what exists." This actually motivated his interest in science, as he once remarked to a young physicist: "I want to know how God created this world, I am not interested in this or that phenomenon, in the spectrum of this or that element. I want to know His thoughts, the rest are details." Einstein's famous epithet on the "uncertainty principle" was "God does not play dice" - and to him this was a real statement about a God in whom he believed. A famous saying of his was "Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind."
?
2010-02-04 17:34:46 UTC
They claim it supports god out of ignorance. "Look how pretty it is, look how complex it is", when they actually spend very little time actually studying it at all.
punch
2010-02-04 17:33:32 UTC
Don't worry. It doesn't. If it truly did, wouldn't everyone know about it? The churches wouldn't keep it quite, that's for sure.



No one really mentioned your spelling. Which makes me question your reading abilities.
anonymous
2010-02-04 17:34:18 UTC
Im atheist too and there is no science to back it up its bullshit
anonymous
2010-02-04 17:44:03 UTC
That is a lie... 'god' is imaginary.

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anonymous
2010-02-04 17:33:56 UTC
Not real science.
anonymous
2010-02-04 17:34:56 UTC
Look at archeology. People have looked at the bible, it says this was somewhere, they went dug it up and guess what? IT WAS THERE!!!
Son of a Ren
2010-02-04 17:37:23 UTC
Heh no, it doesn't.



If anything, it invalidates it..
anonymous
2010-02-04 17:36:18 UTC
It doesn't
Karl P
2010-02-04 17:34:36 UTC
check out: www.icr.org
?
2010-02-04 17:33:46 UTC
Because the system is intelligent and deliberate. Look out into the cold space that hangs over your head every night. How much life do you see out there?
anonymous
2010-02-04 17:33:01 UTC
they cant


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