Question:
Homosexuals treated disgustingly by Christians?
2007-08-20 20:43:42 UTC
The only way I can figure this one out is like this, for all the Christians who live by God and Jesus, those who claim they do not judge others, how can you say that being a homosexual is giving in to sin and it comes as a choice, do theese Christians have the same erges as a homosexuals do but they have Gods power to fight them off? Other wise how do they know this? Do they themselves refuse the feelings they feel towards the same sex? How can a Christian say no they dont share the same feelings as a homosexual and then make a judgement on that person? Also do all Christians have homosexual erges but not give in to them?
33 answers:
Nell P
2007-08-20 20:48:38 UTC
It's bizarre isn't it? Xians are always going on about how evil gays are but you don't often see gays going on about how evil xians are. What are the xians afraid of - someone might break into their homes and redecorate? Honestly - this is the 21st century - not the 1400's. They should get over it and accept that the only thing humanity has in common is we are all different.
traehshalo
2007-08-20 21:02:55 UTC
WOW, someone has some pent up aggression. First of all Christian religion has changed very little for hundreds of years. It is well out of date and based on morals developed when i was a sin to do anything but live for the One God. So is it so surprising it rejects homosexuality? It also doesn't accept ANY other religion, or even interracial marriage. But I being Catholic...sh recognize these out of date insecurities and don't follow them. I think it is perfectly fine if any two people regardless of their sex want to be married. So don' go venting your anger on all Christians. Not all are the same.

And remember, the last person to take all their aggressions out on one religion was Hitler, and things didn't work out so well for him, now did they?



But as a side note to all the Christians that believe that Homosexuality is a sin and "giving in to it" is immoral and believe that faith in God and Jesus shall overcome such "evil" are naive and ignorant. Homosexuality is not a choice. It is no more a choice than it is straight peoples choice to be with the opposite sex. It is just natural to find attraction to same sex OR opposite sex. It is just a part of who people are. And neither is a sin.



The bible also states that masturbation is a sin. If one male says they don't, they are flat out liars, or have no arms.



I am not a homosexual myself but I understand that it is a natural thing, and certainly not an abomination. So to those uptight individuals that this rant is about, get your nose out of the Bible for 10 minutes and read a science book. Please!



Oh, and try to understand that mortal men wrote the Bible as was the word of God through them. So a lot of these philosophers and holy men put their own thoughts and beliefs into their Scriptures. It doesn't make them completely accurate, and doesn't mean to always take them literally.
Me being Me
2007-08-20 20:56:55 UTC
I personally don't know any Christian who treat homosexuals the way you claim. It's a bit frustrating how a couple of people from a certain group (Christianity in this case) make some stupid and ignorant comments and then that entire group of people is talked badly about. I have an uncle who is a homosexual and i would never DREAM of ever thinking of him as evil or immoral nor would i ever tell him that his lifestyle is wrong. I have no room to speak of anything because I do not live his life, I don't know how he feels or anything of the sort. I honestly couldn't care less about his sexual orientation--although the Bible does say that it is wrong; it says the same thing about lying, killing, adultery, gossping etc and that doesn't stop other people from doing it ya know--so i personally don't understand why homosexuality is made into this HUGE sin when there are people doing a million other things that the Bible says not to do as well.
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2007-08-20 20:54:54 UTC
I am a Christian. I believe that the problems that Christians have with homosexuals is evidence that the devil has gotten into their minds and their pastors' minds by leaving the Gospel for a message against a particular type of sinner. What they do is divide. The message that we hear is that of those who are poorly taught. The Christians who preach this message against homosexuals DON'T EVEN BELIEVE THE LORD WHEN HE SAID THAT WHOSOEVER WILLS MAY COME. (I hope they see that.)



I have personally heard some Christians deny a homosexual the words of the Gospel because that person was homosexual! That is a demonic thing from the deepest part of Hell if there ever was one!



Christians sin daily. Some of them are closet homosexuals and hide it from the other Christians because they know that they will face persecution over it. It may not be violent persecution, but it will be everything else.



I hope that from what I have told you, you will see that grace is offered to people because God chose them out of the world. NOT because they were, are, or never were homosexual. I myself am a saved Bisexual.



So those Christians do not even have the truth, thanks to the terrible, demoniacally inspired horse crap coming out of their pastors mouth!



It's all about grace and peace from Jesus Christ, which makes peace between a person, homosexual or not, and God.



Nuff said!
Michael
2007-08-20 21:06:11 UTC
The answer is in a scripture most often partially quoted (as are many by those who Cherry pick the Bible)



1 Corinthians 6:9-11, most people choose to stop quoting at 10, but 11 gets to the heart of the matter some of them were drunkards, and revilers, and men that lie with men, but they were washed clean...



Clean didn't mean once saved always saved, they had to choose not to practice sin again, not easy but Holy Spirit makes it easier.



Those who believe once saved always saved do not pay attention to scriptures such as Romans 1:28-32 or Matthew 7:21-23 or 2 Timothy 2:15... none of these scriptures support such a concept, because they show that belief in Christ alone was not enough, belief that he died for our sins was not enough.



How would it be Critical Times hard to deal with, if all we had to do was believe in his execution, and his cause, and the blood he shed (2 Timothy 3:1-5)... obviously there was work involved, because if the Apostles believed once saved always saved why did they preach about Jesus, and the Kingdom of God, it would have saved them a lot of hardship including some of their executions... it was because it was what Christ taught them. He taught them to hate no one, pray for those cursing you and oppressing you, turn the other cheek...



I challange you or anyone for that matter to order the free book "What Does the Bible Really Teach?" from http://www.watchtower.org , and test it out from the scriptures... The truth of God will be known upon the entire inhabited Earth, and then the end will come.
Linda M
2007-08-20 21:39:28 UTC
Being a Christian myself, I know that it is not right for others to judge anyone!! Only God above can judge us!! Matthew 7:1-2 says " Judge Not, that you be not judged. For with that judgement you jugde, you will be judged; and with the measure you use, it will be measured back to you!" It is written in the Bible that homosexuality is an ABOMINATION, and is an IMMORAL sin against God. Leviticus 18:22. Also Leviticus 20:13 says..If a man lays with a male as he lays with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination. They shall surely be put to death. Their blood shall be upon them! If one is a TRUE Christian, then its pretty safe to say that they would not have the urge to be a homosexual. If you have salvation through acceptance of Jesus Christ as your savior, and you were once a homosexual, but REPENT of your sin, YOU SHALL BE SAVED!! If you continue to have immoral relations as a homosexual and do not accept Christ, then you have no chance of entering the Kingdom of Heaven....I am not passing judgement ... True christians Love the sinner, but hate the sin!

God Bless!!
MJ
2007-08-20 20:58:17 UTC
Not all people have homosexual urges, but many do. Many people have never and will never act on them for many reasons, the feeling that they are doing something "wrong" might be one of them. I am a newly converted Christain. As far as I can see it, the bible does talk about homosexuality being a sin a few times. BUT, it also says that we are all sinners and that no one sin is any worse than another. I am single (divorced), and in biblical terms, I also am not supposed to have sex. I do though, so I am sinning, there and in many other aspects of my life I am sure. It is hard to fight these natural urges for sex, hetero and homo. I guess we just really have to try. But there is hope for me to have unsinful sex in the future if I were to get remarried. Homosexuals don't get that though so I feel bad for them. I think they are born that way and the only option I can see for them is to abstain, that really sucks. I also NEED to learn to abstain as well, since we are on the topic.



But Christains are NOT supposed to judge and if they do they are just as "bad" as a homosexual because they are also sinning. Then they need to repent, but they probably won't.
The GMC
2007-08-20 20:55:30 UTC
I want to be careful with my words. God defines sin, not Christians. And, we are all sinful. Homosexuals are no worse sinners than anyone else. The thing that we try to point out, is that God asks us to repent from our sin. "Homosexual Christians" seek to continue their lifestyle. Otherwise, they would just be Christians right? They would be a new creation, and would die to their old self. The only sin God cannot forgive is one that is not let go. Are homosexual acts a sin according to God? Yes. But I cannot tell someone that they are not having those urges, or that they were not born with them. All I can tell you is that Jesus has offered victory over sin, to anyone who desires. To refuse that, is to in essence, reject Jesus and His sacrifice. By the way, I only wrote this in respects to those who claim to be homosexual Christians, I have no jurisdiction to speak of those outside the church.
2007-08-20 21:00:07 UTC
I am a Christian, and I Love everyone for it says that in the Bible, and I Love everyone as brothers and sisters....



ok if any Christian is giving you a hard time, pull out a bible, or ask them to pull out theirs, and tell them to read 1 John 4:7-21 it will help you alot, also, there is a verse in the Bible, I forgot which section, but it states that "If you do not love your fellow brothers and sisters, you truly do not Love God" and you should take that to heart as should every other christian, no matter how different someone is they are just as good as me or anyone else, and I do not share the same feelings as you, for I have never experienced homosexuality myself, although many of my friends are homosexual, and are just as Christian as I am, you deserve God, just like everyone else does, as long as you accept Christ as your savior.



God Bless you, and I Love you =]
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2016-05-18 10:24:29 UTC
Its a shame when someone of faith treats others with disrespect. Christians are to live by Gods word, and treat others nicely. As a new believer I am still learning. The bible, which is Gods word, states that we are not to have sex before marriage. Alot of humans have urges they have to fight, its between them and God. Not anyone here on earth. There are all types of people in this world, and each one of them believe they are living in the right way. Its not fair to bash anyone for what they do, I think Christians are actually just trying to help. Their passion sometimes comes across as being harsh. I really dont care who people are sleeping with, I have made plenty of mistakes! But now that I have a relationship with God, I am trying to straighten up. God is the only one who can judge us. He is also a very forgiving God, thankfully.
butter1944fly
2007-08-20 20:54:57 UTC
I am a Christian but I do not have an opinion about the sinfulness of homosexuality because the Bible does say judge not lest ye be judged.



I also think there is some strong scientific evidence to show that sexual orientation is a biological function. I know many gay people and they did not choose to be gay just as I did not choose to be straight. I think it is biological and that the Lord is the only one to judge them. None of us know the answer to that.



I also think that these closed minded "Christians" who want to dictate behavior in the USA are no different that the "radical muslims" who are trying to dictate behavior in Iraq.
need2know
2007-08-20 21:08:09 UTC
Let's seperate some things alittle.All people sin,one sin is no greater than the other. Satan can suggest all kinds of things,to you.It someone acting on it,or thinking on it to long.As Dennis Rodman once said, "you'd have to think about it ,on order to come to the conclusion it was-or was not a desirable lifestyle for you.

And it's not "all" "Christians", humans have erges.Your human before,during and after, you are Christian. It's not judging,it's what is fact written in the Bible.But no one ,is to treat you disgustingly! They would then be in need of prayer,also! Take care!
butterfly
2007-08-20 21:00:37 UTC
If you read the bible it does state being a homosexual is a sin. Being a homosexual is a choice as we all have free will just like I choose to be straight. I think many people forget though that as a Christian you are to love the person, but hate the sin. Being homosexual is just one of many sins as we all know theres adultry, lust, greed, murder... the list goes on. Of course each christians struggles with something, look in the bible and you will find that there are a lot of people that struggled for example David commited adultry, the difference is he later repented and asked for forgivness. I think what most people forget is that a Christian is still a human, still not with out sin, we're not perferct, we have struggles but we turn to God for His forgivness, help, and guideance.
blessed1
2007-08-20 20:57:49 UTC
It is not no one but God's place to judge. I'm a christian, I don't condone homosexuality, I have friends who are gay.I treat them the same way I treat everyone. I think everyone unconsciously has sinful thoughts on a daily basis. We are human, but it's how we react to them that matters.Fortunately we have a very loving and forgiving God.
liz
2007-08-20 20:51:22 UTC
I am a christian but at times i am ashamed to say so. i really feel the need to apologize often for 'our' judgmental ways. the bible is very clear about judging others ..we have no right to do so. Christians have urges ..... i don't know that they have homosexual urges but they do have sexual urges and have to control them. i think christian or not we can control our urges but it is hard. anyone who judges you in the name of Jesus is wrong according to Matthew chapter 7 of the Bible
2007-08-20 20:53:15 UTC
I can only speak for my self;

homosexual urges...no

why do I feel it's a sin..Gods word says so , 1 cor 6:9



But like any sin God is waiting to forgive it, we just need to repent and turn away from it. the bible says : " submit to God, resist the devil, and he will flee"



And God loves homosexuals and all sinners he proved it By dying for us all.
2007-08-20 20:48:06 UTC
Being a homosexual isn't a sin. The act of having sex with a person of the same gender is. I wouldn't treat a homosexual any different than a heterosexual.
Maria
2007-08-20 20:49:15 UTC
Well a friend of mine seems really gay and everybody is not sure if he is or not. But since hes a Christian, we think he won't say he is because he strongly believes that its wrong to be a homosexual. I think, its normal.
2007-08-20 20:50:40 UTC
As a Christian, it's not for me to judge a person's sexual orientation. I know what I am taught in the bible and I can only lead by my example, accept them as they are and pray for them.



The United Church we used to attend (just moved over 1 hr away and we're re-locating) had a minister who's wife's sister was a lesbian. She still attended service weekly with her partner. Our congregation accepted them just as Jesus would.



Jesus saves everyone who accepts him per John 3:16.



Not all Christian are the same, please don't generalize.
2007-08-20 20:48:21 UTC
honestly true christians are not supposed to judge their neighbors!!!



it is all in how the particular denomination translates the bible. according to their beliefs, god created man to be with woman. but throughout the bible, tolerance, love, and acceptance are taught.



tradition of frowning upon homosexuality is changing in the christian world, but generally still remains.
Gerardo G
2007-08-20 21:00:37 UTC
Old School says: "No, sex is sinful and it's only use is to conceive as many children as God sends you within a marriage of man and wife, anything else is sinfull lust and it's the devil's thing" and "ya-da ya-da ya-da"

The truth is:

"A new commandment I give thee, to love thy neighboor as I love thee"

and to love you have to accept therefore it's ok as soon as they dont hurt anyone or themselves
2007-08-20 20:50:05 UTC
Waaaah! A Christian will fight off the urge to have heterosexual sex until marriage. The bible clearly and in no uncertain terms states that God disapproves of homosexuality, so whether you have the "urge" or not, if you want to please God you HAVE to refrain from it. End of chat.
The Nag
2007-08-20 20:47:35 UTC
Ugh....Christians that I know would not treat Homosexuals badly. Don't confuse bad treatment with not condoning your sexual practices. I have no problems with gay people, but as a Christian I cannot tell people it is ok to do because it goes against tennants of my faith.



"Love the sinner, hate the sin"
Free To Be Me
2007-08-20 20:51:17 UTC
Here are the best answers to those good questions that I have ever read.



Just copy and paste.
2007-08-20 20:49:16 UTC
Personally I feel it is all in the teachings of the cult (church).



What about the priests that have been caught out molesting children and the massive payouts that have recently occured to prevent it going to through the courts.
Twiggy
2007-08-20 20:47:14 UTC
We don't treat homosexuals, themselves, in any wrong way. But when they go doing immoral things - that's when we treat them like sinners, that need to beg for forgiveness, before getting on their one-way ticket to Hell.
carpathian mage
2007-08-20 20:47:47 UTC
thank goodness I'm not a Christian, been called a fa g hag by some.
2007-08-24 18:55:33 UTC
i do not bash homosexuals.
2007-08-20 20:46:14 UTC
Just another good reason added to my long list of reasons not to follow religion
2007-08-20 20:48:21 UTC
Christians hate anything that's not christian, male and preferably white.
2007-08-20 20:46:57 UTC
if you read the bible, it says homosexuality is wrong. we stand firm on that. end of discussion.
2007-08-20 20:47:56 UTC
They are afraid of them.
2007-08-20 20:50:11 UTC
There are five references in the Qur'an which have been cited as referring to gay and lesbian behavior. Some obviously deal with effeminate men and "masculine women." The two main references to homosexual behavior are:



"We also sent Lut : He said to his people : "Do ye commit lewdness such as no people in creation (ever) committed before you? For ye practice your lusts on men in preference to women: ye are indeed a people transgressing beyond bounds." Qur'an 7:80-81



"What! Of all creatures do ye come unto the males, and leave the wives your Lord created for you? Nay, but ye are forward folk." Qur'an 26:165



Both references relate to gay sexual activities; lesbian practices are not mentioned in the Qur'an.



Lut is referred to as "Lot" in the Hebrew Scriptures. This passage is an apparent reference to the activities at Sodom and Gamorah. It seems to imply that there was no homosexual behavior before it first appeared in Sodom. This is a uniquely Islamic concept; it does not appear in Jewish or Christian beliefs. The passage also links the sin of Sodom (the reason for its destruction) to homosexuality.That linkage is contradicted by other verses in the Hebrew Scriptures.



The Hadith and homosexuality: The Hadith are collections of sayings attributed to Muhammad. Many Hadiths (ahadith) discuss liwat (sexual intercourse between males). Two examples are:



"When a man mounts another man, the throne of God shakes."



"Kill the one that is doing it and also kill the one that it is being done to." (in reference to the active and passive partners in gay sexual intercourse)



There is at least one mention of lesbian behavior mentioned in the Hadith: "Sihaq (lesbian sexual activity) of women is zina (illegitimate sexual intercourse) among them."



Traditionalist orthodox Muslims generally claim that the Hadith literature contains the authentic sayings of Muhammad. Many liberal Muslims doubt their authenticity. The latter might point out that during the times of the first Caliphs, Muslims did not know what to do with individuals guilty of "liwat/lutiyya". No sahabi (companion) of Muhammad could quote a saying or decision of Muhammad relating to this question.



Treatment of homosexuals within Islam:



According to a pamphlet produced by Al-Fatiha, there is a consensus among Islamic scholars that all humans are naturally heterosexual. 5 Homosexuality is seen by scholars to be a sinful and perverted deviation from the norm. All Islamic schools of thought and jurisprudence consider gay acts to be unlawful. They differ in terms of penalty:



The Hanafite school (currently seen mainly in South and Eastern Asia) teaches that no physical punishment is warranted.



The Hanabalites, (widely followed in the Arab world) teach that severe punishment is warranted.



The Sha'fi school of thought (also seen in the Arab world) requires a minimum of 4 adult male witnesses before a person can be found guilty of a homosexual act. Al-Fatiha estimates that 4,000 homosexuals have been executed in Iran since their revolution in 1979. 10 public executions of homosexuals have been performed in Afghanistan by the Taliban army.





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The Islamic Society of North America:



Dr. Muzammil Siddiqi of the ISNA said: "Homosexuality is a moral disorder. It is a moral disease, a sin and corruption... No person is born homosexual, just like no one is born a thief, a liar or murderer. People acquire these evil habits due to a lack of proper guidance and education.""



"There are many reasons why it is forbidden in Islam. Homosexuality is dangerous for the health of the individuals and for the society. It is a main cause of one of the most harmful and fatal diseases. It is disgraceful for both men and women. It degrades a person. Islam teaches that men should be men and women should be women. Homosexuality deprives a man of his manhood and a woman of her womanhood. It is the most un-natural way of life. Homosexuality leads to the destruction of family life."



I don't know if many people know about this, but on the Internet, there are some pages about Muslims who are homosexuals. It is one issue to be Muslim and a homosexual, and another to try to justify this choice by Allah's (The Exalted) book, the Quran, and the word's of the Prophet (Allah bless him and grant him peace). InshaAllah, in this post I will be dealing with the later issue. The first point to make clear is that as Muslims, we accept Allah (The Exalted) and His Prophet (Allah bless him and grant him peace) as the authority and final word on what is right and wrong. This is in important point to be grasped. Otherwise, there is little use in discussing the issue. This is exactly where the people who try to justify homosexuality, and other practices and beliefs, from the Quran go wrong. The point of this post is to make clear the position of Islam on homosexuality so that there will be no doubts about it.



Now concerning the evidence, we follow the methodology laid out by the Muslim scholars. In general, that is to see what the Quran says about an issue, then the Hadith, and then the consensus of the scholars, and the analogy can be made. The evidence concerning the unlawfulness of homosexuality is as follows:



SODOMY AND LESBIANISM



In more than one place in the Holy Koran, Allah recounts to us the story of Lot's people, and how He destroyed them for their wicked practice. There is consensus among both Muslims and the followers of all other religions that sodomy is an enormity. It is even viler and uglier than adultery.



Allah Most High says: "Do you approach the males of humanity, leaving the wives that Allah has created for you? But you are a people who transgress" Koran (26:165-66)



(1) The Prophet (saws) said: (1) "Kill the one who sodomizes and the one who lets if be done to him." (Tirmidhi, a sahih (authentic) hadith)



(2) "May Allah curse him who does that Lot's people did." (Ibn Hibban, sahih (authentic))



(3) "Lesbianism by women is adultery between them." (Tabarani, sahih)"



Taken from the Reliance of the Traveller, transltaed by Nuh Ha Mim Keller, p 664-665.



There are a lot more Hadiths on the issue, and the issue of what is to be done with one who commits sodomy or lesbianism. I will not deal with these now in this post. All I wanted to do was to show that the position of Islam on this issue is that it is an enormity (kaba'ir), and therefore, forbidden, (haram). May Allah (The Exalted) protect us.



What is forbidden in Islam- Homosexuality or practicing Homosexuality?



The common concept for Muslim homosexuals is to commit suicide since they can't be punished for being homosexuals in a non-Islamic state, but two wrongs don't make one right. While homosexuality is wrong, it doesn't justify suicide under any conditions or circumstances. Please know that if you ever commit suicide, you would have seriously misunderstood Islam and its spirit. If you were ever involved in sexual homosexual acts in the past, you should truly and sincerely repent to Allah, The Merciful, The Gracious, and pledge to Him never to get involved in any homosexual acts anymore. Please note that there is a difference to actually being involved in a homosexual act -which is a sin - from having sexual feelings that you try to control, that you don't express in public, which is not sinful if you try to control them. If medical or psychological counseling helps, then get it, but know that Allah is The Curer, and the Qur'an is your best companion. Give charity, pray, make dua', and Allah will not leave you alone. You have got to believe in the infinite amount of Mercy Allah provides to His servants, and you should also realize that He forgives, if He wishes, all types of sins, except the sin of disbelieving in Him.



What is sinful in homosexuality is the actual sexual act between the couple of a similar sex. However, if you are truly born with an attraction to a similar sex, and has done what you can to deal with it but with no results, then there is no sin in simply accepting the way you are born and live with it. In addition, if you transform your desires into a struggle and a challenge to overcome it and not physically commit it, then insha'Allah, you will get the reward for it.



Don't lose hope! Fear Allah (S.W.T), ask Him for help earnestly, never give up, and do something to get rid of even the idea of homosexuality. Try to avoid all of the circumstances that trigger your homosexual feelings: don't get alone with an attractive man, always be in the company of others, don't get involved in deep / personal discussions with any person that you may think will trigger your homosexual feeling. Stay away from any other people who have similar feelings. Don't even think in such an idea of this subject, keep yourself busy in different useful thing, and stay away of anything that remind you of homosexuality. Keep a POSITIVE thinking in your mind and keep saying to yourself that you can do something about it. Don't ever say I can't. Remember with every step you are taking toward getting rid of this habit you are getting help and reward from Allah (S.W.T) and you are annoying the shaytan.



Also for many Homosexual Muslims the concept of getting married is unappealing. Having this feeling should not prevent you from considering to get married in the future. You will discover that marriage is more than simply fulfilling your sexual needs... Your wife will insha'Allah bring you peace, tranquility, joy, security, and many other feelings that every human being needs, irrelevant of their "sexual partners". Also, while Muslims are not allowed to lie, you should keep this feeling to yourself and not share it with her or your parents for many reasons... Be patient and make it a lifelong struggle for yourself... You will see how rewarding it is at the end... Remember, there is in this world many compulsive gamblers, alcoholics, adulterers, thieves, but many of them control it and refrain from doing it... If they aren't Muslims and have the will to do it, you are a Muslim and you have Allah on your side when you seek His Help. There is no way you will fail insha'Allah...





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Homosexuality and Islam



Below are some verses in the Quran that speak against homosexuality. Those people who make a god (ilah) of there own lusts are clearly in the wrong. Prophet Lut spoke against this evil practice of his people. Their only reply was: "Bring us the Wrath of God if thou tellest the truth." They soon found out who was telling the truth when Allah destroyed them all. Let it be known right now that there is NO SUCH THING AS A GAY MUSLIM!!! A Muslim is one who submits himself to the will of Allah. Those who practice this evil have submitted themselves to their own desires and have turned their backs on the clear teachings of Islam. These people will use any kind of rationalization to justify their sinful practices. Be not deceived by the smooth tactics of Shaitan. He will try everything to guide us from the wrong way.



If you have these homosexual desires in you seek refuge in Allah and Allah will help you. Allah has revealed the truth. All praise is for Allah!!!



Verses From Qur'an:



026.165-166 "Of all the creatures in the world, will ye approach males, And leave those whom Allah has created for you to be your mates? Nay, ye are a people transgressing (all limits)!"



027.055 Would ye really approach men in your lusts rather than women? Nay, ye are a people (grossly) ignorant!



029.028-29 And (remember) Lut: behold, he said to his people: "Ye do commit lewdness, such as no people in Creation (ever) committed before you. Do ye indeed approach men, and cut off the highway?- and practise wickedness (even) in your councils?" But his people gave no answer but this: they said: "Bring us the Wrath of God if thou tellest the truth."



Hadeeth (saying of prophet Muhammad) regarding homosexuality:



Narrated AbuSa'id al-Khudri: The Prophet (saws) said: A man should not look at the private parts of another man, and a woman should not look at the private parts of another woman. A man should not lie with another man without wearing lower garment under one cover; and a woman should not be lie with another woman without wearing lower garment under one cover. (Abu Dawood)



Narrated AbuHurayrah: The Prophet (saws) said: A man should not lie with another man and a woman should not lie with another woman without covering their private parts except a child or a father. He also mentioned a third thing which I forgot. (Abu Dawood)



Discussion:



Allah condemns homosexuality explicitly in the Qur'an: "Do you approach the males of humanity, leaving the wives Allah has created for you? Nay, You are a people who transgress." (26:165-166) It is the sin of the people of Lut and its Arabic word is lutiyya. Liwat is the word for sodomy, under which heading the topic of homosexuality is found in the books of fiqh. Under shari`a both the (same-sex) sodomizer and sodomized are passible of death. The laws of other religions were similar until not so long ago. The Companions considered it so abhorrent that they subjected the culprits to burning, an extreme punishment not meted out for any other offense. As for lesbianism, the Prophet, blessings and Peace upon him said that it consisted in zina (adultery) and so it is subject to the same ruling as zina, which is death for the married, and lashes for the unmarried. Our relaxed attitude in this day and age is purely a product of the times in which we live, where morals have been completely liquefied so that we no longer know the difference between black and white so to speak. If someone was covered with dirt from head to toes and insists that it is his way of life, we would not keep company with them for one second. What about someone who insists on his transgression when even the shari`a of Jews and Christians explicitly condemn it?





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Article - Homosexuality and Islam - An Islamic Perspective



There has been a lot of discussion lately on the issue of Homosexuality. There is a tendency, ever so slight, among some of us to make this behavior acceptable in the name of fairness and tolerance. On the other hand there are those who would suggest summary execution of those engaging in homosexual behavior. This confusing message can be a danger in that it can erode and dilute some of our basic values. Let me preface my suggestions to develop an effective way to address this very sensitive and critical issue, with some background information.



Homosexuality is, of course, not a new behavior. It has existed in practically all cultures and among all people, but usually in fewer numbers and in secrecy, not with an "in your face" attitude as it does in the west now. Unfortunately this is the reality of the times we live in, especially in the western societies, and we need to deal with it. The Homosexual, or the gay as they call themselves, in an attempt to polish their image, constitute a very active and powerful lobby group. They have strong political and social ties and access to the elites of the society, especially in the US, up to and including President Clinton. Even though majority of the people in the US believe that homosexual behavior is wrong, it is intriguing, but never the less remarkable, that the homosexuals have gained public acceptance for their behavior in a very short period of time. This acceptance by the US public is a reflection of people who are committed to their cause and give due thought, time, money and effort to achieve their purpose, though a wrong one. The homosexual's agenda is a very simple one to make their behavior acceptable as NORMAL, and in the process recruit more to their ranks. They have a sophisticated and multifaceted campaign to achieve their goals. These include active participation in social and political issues other than their immediate ones, like feeding the hungry and dealing with human right issues. They promote their agenda through legislation, presenting themselves as victims of prejudice and discrimination, helping to enact the gender discrimination act, legalizing and securing full benefits for same gender marriage, funding research similar to the hypothalamus issue (which shows a genetic propensity to homosexuality), teaching at even kindergarten level that the two-male or the two female can make a family unit which is an acceptable alternative that is even comparable to the traditional MOM and POP family, religious and moral blurring on the stand by establishing gay churches and synagogues, etc. etc. The most effective milestone in the homosexual movement, was probably when in 1976 the American Psychiatric Association (APA) declared that homosexuality was no longer to be considered an illness but was to be regarded merely as an orientation or a sexual variant. The rest, as they say, is history. This made a lot of people very suspicious of the scientific community, who went against known scientific data that the homosexual behavior can be changed. Even though the APA has taken an official stand, this debate continues and many prominent members of APA oppose this stand. Again this has happened and continues to happen even in religious circles, amongst Muslims and others, where experts or priests make pronouncements in favor of those from whom they stand to gain favors at the expense of the masses and against clear moral and/or scientific stands supporting the contrary or opposite views.



The strength of the movement was demonstrated by the outbreak of AIDS. Up to that point in history, there was a standard to deal with ALL communicable diseases. The scientifically developed and tested system that is in place to contain communicable diseases was bypassed with political muscle. As a result, the disease spread very rapidly and affected many innocent lives through blood supply and other preventable methods whose implementation was suppressed politically. AIDS, a communicable disease up to that point that mainly affected the homosexuals, was forced to become a political issue and became the exception to the rule. The innocent were put at risk and their lives made a living hell, some were even lost just for a political gain. The lie that is being promoted is that AIDS is equally rampant amongst the heterosexuals as it is amongst the homosexuals. Statistics contradicts this statement.



The homosexual movement has a strong network of support groups who encourage each other to "come out of the closet", thus advancing and actively promoting this behavior. They thrive on conflict amongst the family and/or community members. They have been known to provide moral, psychological, social, and financial support to any one of their own who is making the transition into their lifestyle or who is "coming out of the closet", so to speak.



They use proven methodologies in changing social acceptability and behavior towards themselves. Like the shows on television, they will introduce the radical issue which will provoke a hue and cry from all quarters the first time out, the second time there is less and in subsequent times the opposition will die out. They then discuss, or frame the issue as it is known, to convince us of their legitimacy and how wrong, narrow minded and bigots all these moralists are. The trick is to say it enough times, and what was once a taboo to even talk about is becoming normal, acceptable, and even desirable to more and more people.



They now have an annually "Gay Pride Parade" in many US cities with full fledged TV coverage. A "Gay Pride Month" has been established in some school districts to remove bigotry and prejudice. Additionally, colleges and universities have a profound impact on the intellectual development of our young people. It is the time in their lives where new and independent thoughts are introduced, incubate, and develop. However, most of these institution are a bedrock of secular extremism and promote all other values except the divine ones. In these circles, it is politically and socially acceptable to talk about, promote and experiment with all behaviors, homosexuality included, but to discuss and further divine values is considered being close minded and narrow. The argument from some of the elites of these institutions is that we need to adhere to the separation of church and state, which has historical merit. In fact, it is obvious to most observers that what is meant is to take God out of the equation and confine Him to the walls of homes, mosques, churches, and synagogues only. We, the yuths and the parents, all need to be aware of these trends so as to enable us to develop an effective way to deal with these issues and inoculate ourselves against harmful behaviors. This is a summary of our study of the homosexual movement that we undertook to try and understand various movements, religious and those based on other various causes, that have succeeded to transform themselves from being the abhorred or persecuted groups to becoming key players in the American society. Homosexual movement is one of them, the others are the Irish Catholics, the Quakers, etc. The reason for providing the background information here is to first to come to grips with the sophisticated nature of the problem, and know who we and our youths are dealing with. The second is to enable us to formulate an effective response to it.



discussion here of homosexuality is a reflection of the success of their movement to force us to address this as an issue, even though we would rather not. We do not know how many can claim, with any degree of certainty, the pervasiveness of this behavior amongst our community members. We are for sure affected by the society in which we live, however I think on this score, we as a community, have not yet been too adversely affected. In our studies of the youths of Toronto, which was subsequently published in a book entitled "Muslim Youths at the Crossroads, Advancing into the 21st Century", we did not see this as a major problem. This does not mean that it has not developed into a problem now, or that we do not need to address this as an issue now. I believe that any discussion needs to take into consideration the following:



We as Muslims need to state unequivocally and unambiguously that homosexuality is a deviant behavior and that there is not even an iota of doubt that Islam condemns the behavior.



* The most important thing for us as Muslims is that Islam is not our ethnicity, it is our religion which regulates our lives and from which we derive our values.



* Even though our religion allows us latitude, more than most, to ponder and reconsider some issues, homosexuality is clearly and explicitly condemned by the Quran (7:80-83, 11:77-79), the Prophet, and his progeny.



* When we have a conflict with the Quran, which is the word of God verbatim, we do not ask where the Quran went wrong but rather why are we, limited beings, in conflict with the wisdom of the absolute, God Almighty.



* As Muslims we do not make up our religion, but we receive it and we obey it.



* Thus stated, we need to clarify, that it does not mean that we hate the homosexual person but rather that we find the behavior abhorable. We want to help with sensitivity and care whoever has these tendencies, or practices such behavior. We can further point out the following:



God has created everything in pairs each endowed with physical and psychological characteristics to complement and complete one another. The Quran (4:1) indicates that human beings have been created from one living entity (nafs), which represents the origin of both the male and the female. The human species though has included male and female since its existence. The "mating" or "spousing" of male and female sexes is original in human nature and out of this instinctive relationship the human race develops, continues and spreads.



Between the two sexes a gravitating combination of love, tenderness, and care is engendered, so that each finds in the other completeness, tranquility, and support (Quran 30:21). Having children and loving them represents another fulfillment of the human nature (Quran 42:49-50). It is through this spousal complementation and completion, according to the Quran (7:189), that each spouse achieves comfort, and enjoys peace of mind, satisfaction, and fulfillment. These relationships extend beyond the physical sexual contact and to psychological, spiritual relations.



The blessings of this completeness are not ended by their accomplishment, but they continue and develop through bringing forth children, raising them, and providing the whole family with material, emotional, and moral needs.



The pleasures of completion and procreation may well be extended and multiplied, when one is granted grand children, who not only represent genealogical continuation, but are also a dynamic revitalization of the human race.



Such physical-psychological-spiritual development through spousing and mating, followed by procreation, that may continue for more than one generation, ought to lead every sensible human being to be grateful to God for His successive and multiplying favors with his own family throughout his lifetime. Such persons and their happy veritable families would be models for the whole society (Quran 25:72).



* One of the criteria or litmus test of a behavior that is beneficial to humanity at large is, "what if the action that you are promoting is exercised by a majority of the people of the world? Will it advance humanity or will it retard it?" In this case human beings will cease to exist.



* If there is any truth to the claim that the male homosexual behavior could be genetic, how about the bisexuals and the lesbians. They for sure are making a choice and by our standards a wrong one too.



* The debate and the argument advanced by the homosexuals is "Be what you are," and "do not be ashamed of it". Many unsuspecting youths then start to experiment, to "discover" what they really are. They are in fact being unwittingly, and in their most suggestible period of growth, led astray with the power of suggestion and a convoluted logic. Whoever we are, whatever one might be, it is ennobling to always try to do what is right.



* Even if there is a genetic propensity towards homosexuality, it is the nobility of the human spirit that can overcome it. There are suggestions that alcoholics are genetically pre-disposed to their behavior. Furthermore, some people are inherently prone to take risks, which is an essential element for human progress and development. This pre-disposition to risk taking behavior can easily lead to the destructive behavior of gambling. We do not encourage the people with a propensity to alcoholism or gambling to keep on indulging in these vices, but rather encourage them to resist and overcome them We should do the same with homosexual feelings and tendencies. Whether one has the orientation or harbors "homosexual genes," one's feelings and desires cannot dictate behavior. One may have a strong urge to have a homosexual contact, a heterosexual contact with one other than one's own spouse, or to steal or kill. The nobility of the human spirit is to resist, and this is what elevates the human being to the status above that of the angels.



* There is a period during our growth process where we are most comfortable with and try to bond with persons of the same gender. Some carry this behavior to an extreme and experiment with homosexuality. Some Psychiatrists still believe that those who continue with the homosexual behavior are really arrested in their development process. They avoid or are afraid to continue with the normal psychological growth. This condition is treatable by psychotherapy.



The reality of the society requires that we argue our positions, and deal with issues, as they prevail using some of the existing societal rationale. Though the thinking may fall short of our ideal, it can be an effective start in changing and moving the debate closer to our view point and values. The following two points are made with this thought in mind.



* As Muslims, we identify and instinctly come to the defense of any individuals or groups who are discriminated against. This reaction is due to our foundational value and commitment to justice, and also from our own contemporary experiences, as individuals and as members of a group, who have suffered from discrimination and vilification.



While we abhor acts of discrimination against individuals or groups, we also place a high value on discretion. The individual's right of choice is a fundamental value and necessary condition for each individual to be accountable to God for his/her own actions. God's guidance secures the balance between the individual's and societal rights. No one has a right to spy into the private lives and affairs of individuals. Even when these private affairs should incidentally be known, the admonition is to keep them private and protect those involved.



However, when one openly declares one's sexual orientation, a private matter, and then demands special consideration because of it, we find this an affront to the society's well being. There are already safeguards and protections under the law against discrimination that includes heterosexuals and homosexuals. To demand further special rights and consideration based on how or who we have sex with, and claim it to be a civil rights issue, is ludicrous. To compare with and demand special protection as those who have been persecuted for their national origin, race, color, or creed and religious beliefs is baseless and has no historical or social justification or parallels. We will then have to accede similar special demands for protection and single out groups varying from those who want to have heterosexual relations to those who are left handed, when they are all currently protected under existing laws. We are committed to uphold the family unit and its values, and protection of it as a durable, proven, most important and socially viable nucleus of any society. There is a continual struggle and effort to maintain the balance between an individual's right and society's well being. We place a higher value on the society's well being than an individual's right to actively promote counter values that will ultimately damage the society at large. We therefore have a right to resist and ensure the protection of our values against such an onslaught. This resistance should never be an aggression against any individual or groups, but a firm and principled stand against the counter values being promoted, while promoting our values in a kinder and gentler fashion with conviction. We have, indeed, a duty to promote divine wisdom and values that will advance humanity and that have withstood the test of time.



* Homosexuality is an issue that concerns most main stream Christians and Jews and we all share a common value. It can provide an opportunity to work together for the common good of the society at large.



We, as Muslims, have benefit and blessings of divine guidance and wisdom. The Quran reminds us that Allah (SWT) will change the condition of the people only if they themselves put forth the effort (13:11). If the homosexuals can promote their wrong values with vigor and succeed, we have a duty and a responsibility to not only make an effort to arrest this trend, but also to invest our time, energy, and resources to promote the divine values with as much zeal.



Our challenge is to explore and find ways to resist and counter this movement amongst our own families, immediate community, the Muslim Ummah, and the whole of humanity. This is our destiny and the challenge of the times we live in. Action more than rhetoric will make us worthy of Allah's (SWT) help and mercy and will endear us to Him. The question is what are you, and in turn all of us collectively, going to do to promote our values, and counter this threat?





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What is Islam's view of homosexuality?



There is no doubt that in Islam homosexuality is considered 'sinful'. Homosexuality as far as Islam is concerned is a profound mistake ( as are all sins if they are not intending to do wrong). Humans are not homosexuals by nature. People become homosexuals because of their environments. Particularly critical is the environment during puberty. Suggestions, ideas & strange dreams are symptoms of confused attempts to understand new and blunt sexual desires and are rashly interpreted as defining someone as being one sexuality or another. If these conclusions are accompanied by actual homosexual acts they are even more strongly reinforced.



Human instincts can be subjected to acts of will. Sexuality is a choice of identity which follows choices of action which follow from choices of what to have sexual fantasies about. Human beings are especially able to control their thoughts, entertaining some and dismissing others.



However, if this free will is not recognised it is easy to get into a cycle of thinking which starts from accepting a hypothesis about yourself as true rather than as a possible choice (even if the options are sometimes difficult).For example: "I am lazy " could be supposed true by someone. When the person who thinks this lies around in bed in the morning he observes this inaction as evidence of the statement "I am lazy." As he repeatedly chooses to do so the evidence mounts and the idea becomes fixed in his identity. It may even have physical manifestations and change his physiology and psychology. This process can easily occur for any idea good or bad about the self which is based largely on evidence resulting from ones own action. The idea may be "I am 'gay'" or "I am content" or "I love eating lots of food". The truth is - you are what you choose to be ; you do what you choose to do ; you think what you choose to think. There may be long time delays between the causing choices and the effects but anyone can change themselves. There are reformed ex-drug addicts, reformed ex-compulsive gamblers and ex-homosexuals. In all these sins prevention is 1000 times better than cure and much easier.



It has been suggested that homosexuality is genetically inherited and that those who have this 'predisposition' are victims of it not sinners of any sort. However, there are other things which are probably genetically influenced to give predispositions to for example gambling or alcoholism .It could also be argued (and has been) that it is programmed into men's genetics for them to be unfaithful to their partner. All these things don't make it the right thing to do, nor does it prevent these things from being regarded as sinful. Drinking alcohol will still be regarded as sinful in Islam even if you have a predisposition to be an alcoholic. The trick as every post alcoholic will tell you is never touch another drop after you quit - it is a long slippery slope - your life is better without it. Once a certain desire is connected to your identity strongly and you get in some way hooked on it, it will always be easy to return to it - you are unable to forget the satisfaction. The difficult task is remembering the bad side of the desire, such as hangovers, lost money, self loathing or a simply sense of loss because of what you missed out on. But if you are to change for the better, you must remember this and the past desires you bound up with your identity can become disconnected from what you choose to become.



What does Islam say about homosexuality?



Taken from the book titled 'Common Questions People Ask About Islam' by Shabir Ally.



Islam teaches that homosexual acts are sinful and punishable by God. This teaching comes not from human beings, but from the Creator of all humans. God tells us in His own words how He punished the people of Lot for their homosexual behaviour.



The story of prophet Lot, on whom be peace, finds mention in several Qur'anic passages, especially Chapter 26:160-175 which reads: "The people of Lut rejected the apostles. Behold, their brother Lut said to them: "Will ye not fear (God)? "I am to you an apostle worthy of all trust. "So fear God and obey me. "No reward do I ask of you for it: my reward is only from the lord of the Worlds. "Of all the creatures in the world, will ye approach males, "And leave those whom God has created for you to be your mates? Nay, ye are a people transgressing (all limits)!" They said: "If thou desist not, O Lut! thou wilt assuredly be cast out!" He said: "I do detest your doings." "O my Lord! deliver me and my family from such things as they do!" So We delivered him and his family,- all Except an old woman who lingered behind. But the rest We destroyed utterly. We rained down on them a shower (of brimstone): and evil was the shower on those who were admonished (but heeded not)! Verily in this is a Sign: but most of them do not believe. And verily thy Lord is He, the Exalted in Might Most Merciful."



From these passages we learn that God saved Lot and the righteous ones of his family, and rained on the rest a shower of brimstone, so they were utterly destroyed. This is mentioned in the Qur'an not only for the sake of information, but mainly to serve as a warning to anyone who dares to repeat such acts.


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