Question:
Where does it say in the bible, you can be called a Christian and fight a war?
cindyj2490
2009-12-02 11:25:50 UTC
Where does it say in the bible, you can be called a Christian and fight a war? There is a chance you will kill someone for your country but yet the 10 commandments says thou shall not kill. Please tell me where in the Bible you can still be considered a Christian and still fight a war where you will end up killing someone for a war that has no light at the end of the tunnel.
Eighteen answers:
Rick G
2009-12-02 11:40:07 UTC
I can't find one that tells Christians to fight in the wars of the nations.



What scriptures have always had a bearing on the attitude of true Christians toward participation in carnal warfare?

Matt. 26:52: “Jesus said to him: ‘Return your sword to its place, for all those who take the sword will perish by the sword.’”



(Could there have been any higher cause for which to fight than to safeguard the Son of God? Yet, Jesus here indicated that those disciples were not to resort to weapons of physical warfare.)



Isa. 2:2-4: “It must occur in the final part of the days that the mountain of the house of Jehovah will become firmly established above the top of the mountains . . . And he will certainly render judgment among the nations and set matters straight respecting many peoples. And they will have to beat their swords into plowshares and their spears into pruning shears. Nation will not lift up sword against nation, neither will they learn war anymore.”



(Individuals out of all nations must personally decide what course they will pursue. Those who have heeded Jehovah’s judgment give evidence that he is their God.)



2 Cor. 10:3, 4: “Though we walk in the flesh, we do not wage warfare according to what we are in the flesh. For the weapons of our warfare are not fleshly, but powerful by God for overturning strongly entrenched things.”



(Paul here states that he never resorted to fleshly weapons, such as trickery, high-sounding language, or carnal weapons, to protect the congregation against false teachings.)



Luke 6:27, 28: “I [Jesus Christ] say to you who are listening, Continue to love your enemies, to do good to those hating you, to bless those cursing you, to pray for those who are insulting you.”



As to serving in the armed forces, what does secular history disclose about the attitude of early Christians?



“A careful review of all the information available goes to show that, until the time of Marcus Aurelius [Roman emperor from 161 to 180 C.E.], no Christian became a soldier; and no soldier, after becoming a Christian, remained in military service.”—The Rise of Christianity (London, 1947), E. W. Barnes, p. 333.



“We who were filled with war, and mutual slaughter, and every wickedness, have each through the whole earth changed our warlike weapons,—our swords into ploughshares, and our spears into implements of tillage,—and we cultivate piety, righteousness, philanthropy, faith, and hope, which we have from the Father Himself through Him who was crucified.”—Justin Martyr in “Dialogue With Trypho, a Jew” (2nd century C.E.), The Ante-Nicene Fathers (Grand Rapids, Mich.; reprint of 1885 Edinburgh edition), edited by A. Roberts and J. Donaldson, Vol. I, p. 254.



“They refused to take any active part in the civil administration or the military defence of the empire. . . . it was impossible that the Christians, without renouncing a more sacred duty, could assume the character of soldiers, of magistrates, or of princes.”—History of Christianity (New York, 1891), Edward Gibbon, pp. 162, 163.
Lifted by God's grace
2009-12-02 11:39:20 UTC
Question: "What does the Bible say about a Christian serving in the military?"



Answer: The Bible contains plenty of information about serving in the military. While many of the Bible’s references to the military are only analogies, several verses directly relate to this question. The Bible does not specifically state whether or not someone should serve in the military. At the same time, Christians can rest assured that being a soldier is highly respected throughout the Scriptures and know that such service is consistent with a biblical worldview.



The first example of military service is found in the Old Testament (Genesis 14), when Abraham's nephew Lot was kidnapped by Chedorlaomer, king of Elam, and his allies. Abraham rallied to Lot's aid by gathering 318 trained men of his household and defeating the Elamites. Here we see armed forces engaged in a noble task—rescuing and protecting the innocent.



In the New Testament, Jesus marveled when a Roman centurion (an officer in charge of one hundred soldiers) approached Him. The centurion’s response to Jesus indicated his clear understanding of authority, as well as his faith in Jesus (Matthew 8:5-13). Jesus did not denounce his career. Many centurions mentioned in the New Testament are praised as Christians, God-fearers, and men of good character (Matthew 8:5; 27:54; Mark 15:39-45; Luke 7:2; 23:47; Acts 10:1; 21:32; 28:16).



The places and the titles may have changed, but our armed forces should be just as valued as the centurions of the Bible. The position of soldier was highly respected. For example, Paul describes Epaphroditus, a fellow Christian, as a “fellow soldier” (Philippians 2:25). The Bible also uses military terms to describe being strong in the Lord by putting on the whole armor of God (Ephesians 6:10-20), including the tools of the soldier—helmet, shield, and sword.



Yes, the Bible does address serving in the military, directly and indirectly. The Christian men and women who serve their country with character, dignity, and honor can rest assured that the civic duty they perform is condoned and respected by our sovereign God. Those who honorably serve in the military deserve our respect and gratitude.
anonymous
2009-12-02 11:35:18 UTC
The Hebrew word used in 10 Commandments is specifically 'murder', not 'kill', so there is justifiable homicide. There is no support for war, except Jesus said if His servants were of this world they would fight and He said to beat ploughshares into swords...but His world doesn't justify war, so it is anti-Christian...however we do live in a fallen world so many humans have used Christianity to justify war ... the Anabaptists were right. Check out their theology sometime.



The blood of the martyrs was the seeds of the church ... let the muslim fanatics chop off our heads ... they will make Christ's kingdom stronger than if we continue whippin their sorry asses.
Brandon
2009-12-02 11:32:22 UTC
There are examples of God leading men to fight in battle. God wins some of the battles for them and actually kills other people. Killing is a part of war. There is also a time and a season for everything.



Ecc 3:1 To every thing there is a season, and a time to every purpose under the heaven:

Ecc 3:2 A time to be born, and a time to die; a time to plant, and a time to pluck up that which is planted;

Ecc 3:3 A time to kill, and a time to heal; a time to break down, and a time to build up;

Ecc 3:4 A time to weep, and a time to laugh; a time to mourn, and a time to dance;

Ecc 3:5 A time to cast away stones, and a time to gather stones together; a time to embrace, and a time to refrain from embracing;

Ecc 3:6 A time to get, and a time to lose; a time to keep, and a time to cast away;

Ecc 3:7 A time to rend, and a time to sew; a time to keep silence, and a time to speak;

Ecc 3:8 A time to love, and a time to hate; a time of war, and a time of peace.
anonymous
2009-12-02 11:44:48 UTC
God commanded to genocides to my knowledge first in 1 Samuel 15



"Samuel said to Saul, "I am the one the LORD sent to anoint you king over his people Israel; so listen now to the message from the LORD. 2 This is what the LORD Almighty says: 'I will punish the Amalekites for what they did to Israel when they waylaid them as they came up from Egypt. Now go, attack the Amalekites and totally destroy [a] everything that belongs to them. Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys.'"



and second in Numbers:



"The LORD said to Moses, "Take vengeance on the Midianites for the Israelites. After that, you will be gathered to your people."



So Moses said to the people, "Arm some of your men to go to war against the Midianites and to carry out the LORD's vengeance on them. Send into battle a thousand men from each of the tribes of Israel." So twelve thousand men armed for battle, a thousand from each tribe, were supplied from the clans of Israel. Moses sent them into battle, a thousand from each tribe, along with Phinehas son of Eleazar, the priest, who took with him articles from the sanctuary and the trumpets for signaling."



Also a lot of people are going to say that the word used in the commandment is in fact murder, however this is a mistranslation, I imagine for this specific reason. However, if you look at the original Hebrew word it is retzach. According to the Priestly Code of the book of Numbers, killing anyone with a weapon or in unarmed combat, is considered retzach. (Numbers 35:16-21) The Most COMMON TRANSLATION is not MURDER it is killed. Only fundamentalist Christians and certain Jewish sects translate it as murder. However, the killing does imply unjust killing of so if the killing is justified then you can see where the war comes in. Yet furthermore, most wars are not justified i.e. war in Iraq, war in Vietnam etc. Yet that is for a different section.



Hope this helped =) I personally agree with you.
Sandra
2009-12-02 11:37:08 UTC
God killed millions in the wars he created and broke the Ten Commandments himself.The OT encourages violence and killing.God created violence and evil and encouraged man to kill and cause wars.AN eye for an eye or turn the other cheek,he needs to make his mind up dont you think?
Shamgaur
2009-12-02 11:33:35 UTC
It doesn't. It does say this however...



"The weapons of our warfare are not carnal (meaning flesh and blood) but are made mighty in God to the pulling down of (spiritual) strongholds.



"We wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against powers, and principalities, against forces of wickedness in high places" Again this refers to a spiritual battle.



Jesus said this "If you live by the sword, you shall also die by the sword."



Christianity is anti-war. Not until the Papacy took over did Christians begin to justify killing non-believers like Jews and Muslims.
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2009-12-02 11:29:53 UTC
Where does it say one cannot? This is a misunderstanding of the Commandment, "thou shalt not kill." Which would be obvious to anyone who had read the Old Testament.



The US is a free nation bought by the blood of patriots. People who wish to avail themselves of this freedom without understanding the need to fight to protect it should be exiled, not tolerated.



Evil triumphs when good men do nothing. (its probably a quote by someone)
Reo
2009-12-02 11:32:36 UTC
Romans 12:17-21 Return evil for evil to no one. Provide fine things in the sight of all men. 18 If possible, as far as it depends upon YOU, be peaceable with all men. 19 Do not avenge yourselves, beloved, but yield place to the wrath; for it is written: “Vengeance is mine; I will repay, says Jehovah.” 20 But, “if your enemy is hungry, feed him; if he is thirsty, give him something to drink; for by doing this you will heap fiery coals upon his head.” 21 Do not let yourself be conquered by the evil, but keep conquering the evil with the good.



Karl P: Nice twist there, you so clever.
anonymous
2009-12-02 11:32:27 UTC
King David wasn't christian
anonymous
2009-12-02 11:31:17 UTC
King David killed so many people in his life for his COUNTRY.
anonymous
2009-12-02 11:29:58 UTC
Christians like to use the excuse that "thou shall not kill" is referring to murder but killing in war is justified because you have to save your life.



They have pretty much came up with every excuse to change the words of the meaning of the bible
nkydseml
2009-12-02 11:33:37 UTC
The old testament is just something to learn from, it doesn't apply directly to christians only jewish people. The only thing that makes someone a christian is believing that jesus is your lord and savior and that he was raised from the dead. Once you do that you are going to heaven no matter what.
anonymous
2009-12-02 11:32:44 UTC
Sweetheart,you just pointed out one of the many flaws in the bible that christains will circle talk an answer until the cows come home!!!
anonymous
2009-12-02 11:29:27 UTC
The JWs love you right now
anonymous
2009-12-02 11:30:41 UTC
Even your Jesus threatened to kill, he was not all about love. Or, it is possible that Jesus is a composite of various "messiahs" operating in the area during that time in history.
anonymous
2009-12-02 11:30:57 UTC
Well it doesn't say thou shalt not defend thy self...
Karl P
2009-12-02 11:34:48 UTC
"No greater love than this that a man lay down his life for his friends.) ;)


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