Question:
Is there historical evidence that Jesus was a real person?
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2009-03-02 10:19:31 UTC
I'm not trying to start up a fight or argument between religions. I was just wondering if there are other accounts of Jesus's life outside of the word of the Bible. Have archaeologists found any writings from Roman times that chronicle his crucifixion? Or is the entirety of his history contained only in the Bible (and the Koran).
Sixteen answers:
David V
2009-03-02 10:24:12 UTC
99% is found exclusively in the Bible.



Josephus, a prominent Jewish historian in the first century, CE, only wrote a few lines about Jesus, almost all of which are widely regarded as forgeries by later Christians.





So in short, no. There is no concrete, undeniable proof any aspect of the NT is the least bit accurate or true. As some others (ie - right below me) have pointed out, there is quite a bit written about Jesus, but nearly none of it is 100% accepted as authentic. And even if it were, the earliest is from 40 years after Jesus died...some of it over 80 years after the fact.



In those days, how much do you think people were able to verify about events that took place well before they were born?



How much could you tell me about World War I without relying on second-hand information?
2009-03-02 10:25:23 UTC
The popular historian Will Durant, himself not a Christian, wrote concerning Christ's historical validity, "The denial of that existence seems never to have occurred even to the bitterest gentile or Jewish opponents of nascent Christianity" (Durant, The Story of Civilization, vol. 3, p. 555). And again, "That a few simple men should in one generation have invented so powerful and appealing a personality, so lofty an ethic and so inspiring a vision of human brotherhood, would be a miracle far more incredible than any recorded in the Gospels" (Ibid., p. 557).
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zaiten86
2009-03-02 10:29:58 UTC
Josephus did indeed mention Jesus in his writing, and the texts were altered to say that Jesus was the son of god and blah blah blah. But he was indeed mentioned as being a real person. I am an atheist but I personally believe he was a real person. Although I think the fantastical claims of the bible are rubbish, I find it more likely that people just exaggerated stories about a real teacher of the time, rather than just made up Jesus altogether.
2009-03-02 10:29:17 UTC
During Roman times there was a lunatic named Josephus, a Jewish soldier who betrayed his fellow soldiers in order to earn status and position in Rome. He was rewarded for his treachery and to keep vying for attention, he wrote of Roman life and lifestyle.



He wasn't very well respected because he was a traitor and a Roman brown-noser who did whatever it took to gain favour and status. He mentioned a man who joined a cult known back then as the "zealots" who followed this man's orations and were considered trouble-makers.



Nothing else credible is recorded anywhere concerning Jesus except for the "story of Jesus," written over 70 years after his death from legends passed down by ancient man. If you search the millions of bible websites on the web, they'll all tell you the bible was a great source of first-hand, true and valid info on Christ by people (angels) who were actually there.



And all their bible-writers were extremely educated fishermen, tent-makers and goat-herders who miraculously all knew how to write in poor villages that had no schools or teachers. Yeah, right.
2009-03-02 10:32:23 UTC
The "proof" for the existence of Christ can be found in three main sources. The argument for the existence of Jesus is strengthened because the person of Jesus Christ is mentioned by independent Christian, Jewish, and Roman sources. Obviously the person of Jesus is mentioned quite thoroughly in the New Testament and other early Christian writings but Jesus is also mentioned by the Jewish historian Josephus. The fact that Josephus, a practicing Jew and a man who was not actively involved Christian circles and not part of the early church mentions the existence of Jesus of Nazareth in his writings definitely gives credence to the argument for the existence of Jesus Christ. In turn, another of the most credible arguments for the existence of Jesus Christ are the writings of the Roman historian Tacitus. Tacitus was a Roman historian who also mentioned the existence of the crucifixion of Jesus in his writings. In turn, the writings of Tacitus are viewed by historians as crucial to not only understanding early Middle Eastern history but also what we know of early Germanic tribes in Europe. In essence, while the divinity of Jesus is not something that can be proven historically, the historical community is quite sure that a person named Jesus did live in the Middle East two thousand years ago and can look to independent historical sources to strengthen their argument.
crazybananas
2009-03-02 10:45:02 UTC
Here's the Wiki reference to Josephus' Testimonium Flavianum on Jesus (Josephus recounted destruction of Jerusalem in 70AD after surviving it - also wrote about Maccabees):



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josephus_on_Jesus



This page shows both possibilities on why it may have been forged and why it couldn't have



There are archeology findings - the Hittite culture was dug up in 1906 (mentions of the Hittites in the Old Testament)
2009-03-02 10:25:41 UTC
The short answer is: No -- the earliest mention of anybody named Jesus that hasn't been proven an outright forgery didn't occur until some 30+ years after his supposed death. And this, in an empire famous for keeping meticulous records...
L'Chaim!
2009-03-02 10:40:07 UTC
There is no such evidence that proves the existance of Jesus...just the xian New Testament.
Bolesik
2009-03-02 10:24:08 UTC
None that isn't a hotly disputed item in the field of history.



Josephus' writings are completely void of credibility when the light of scrutiny is shone upon them.
2009-03-02 10:24:10 UTC
Nothing reliable outside of the religion itself, no.
2009-03-02 10:25:10 UTC
Outside any scriptures...no. ♣
laslo.kovacs
2009-03-02 10:27:47 UTC
Nothing credible, no.
2009-03-02 10:30:22 UTC
at least in archaeology, nothing. great question!
6ofUs³ ~Only Sky~
2009-03-02 10:25:02 UTC
No.
God is Good!
2009-03-02 10:24:18 UTC
There are accounts from Josephus, Tacitus and others.



Early Church fathers



Early Christian sources outside the New Testament also mention Jesus and details of his life. Important texts from the Apostolic Fathers are, to name just the most significant and ancient, Clement of Rome (c. 100),[33] Ignatius of Antioch (c. 107-110),[34] and Justin Martyr.[35]



Perhaps the most significant Patristic sources are the early references of Papias and Quadratus (d. 124), mostly reported by Eusebius in the fourth century, which both mention eyewitnesses of Jesus’ ministry and healings who were still alive in their own time (the late first century). Papias, in giving his sources for the information contained in his (largely lost) commentaries, stated (according to Eusebius):



…if by chance anyone who had been in attendance on the elders should come my way, I inquired about the words of the elders — that is, what according to the elders Andrew or Peter said, or Philip, or Thomas or James, or John or Matthew or any other of the Lord’s disciples, and whatever Aristion and the elder John, the Lord’s disciples, were saying.[36]



Thus, while Papias was collecting his information (c. 90), Aristion and the elder John (who were Jesus’ disciples) were still alive and teaching in Asia minor, and Papias gathered information from people who had known them.[37] Another Father, Quadratus, who wrote an apology to the emperor Hadrian, was reported by Eusebius to have stated:



The words of our Savior were always present, for they were true: those who were healed, those who rose from the dead, those who were not only seen in the act of being healed or raised, but were also always present, not merely when the Savior was living on earth, but also for a considerable time after his departure, so that some of them survived even to our own times.[38]



By “our Savior” Quadratus means Jesus, and by “our times” it has been argued that he may refer to his early life, rather than when he wrote (117-124), which would be a reference contemporary with Papias.[39]



[edit] Greco-Roman sources

See also: Yeshu and Yuz Asaf



There are passages relevant to Christianity in the works of four major non-Christian writers of the late 1st and early 2nd centuries – Josephus, Tacitus, Suetonius, and Pliny the Younger. However, these are generally references to early Christians rather than an historical Jesus. Of the four, Josephus' writings, which document John the Baptist, James the Just, and possibly also Jesus, are of the most interest to scholars dealing with the historicity of Jesus (see below). Tacitus, in his Annals written c. 115, mentions popular opinion about Christus, without historical details (see also: Tacitus on Jesus). There is an obscure reference to a Jewish leader called "Chrestus" in Suetonius. (According to Suetonius, chapter 25, there occurred in Rome, during the reign of emperor Claudius (circa AD 50), "persistent disturbances ... at the instigation of Chrestus".[40] [3] Mention of "Aquila, born in Pontus, lately come from Italy, with his wife Priscilla" (Acts of the Apostles 18:22) has been conjectured[41][42] to refer to the expulsion at the times of these "persistent disturbances". Pliny condemned Christians as easily-led fools.[citation needed]



[edit] Josephus

Main article: Josephus on Jesus



Flavius Josephus (c. 37–c. 100), a Jew and Roman citizen who worked under the patronage of the Flavians, wrote the Antiquities of the Jews in 93 C.E.. In these works, Jesus is mentioned twice. The one directly concerning Jesus has come to be known as the Testimonium Flavianum.



The Testimonium's authenticity has attracted much scholarly discussion and controversy of interpolation. Louis H. Feldman counts 87 articles published during the period of 1937-1980, "the overwhelming majority of which question its authenticity in whole or in part".[43]



In the second, very brief mentioning, Josephus calls James "the brother of Jesus, who was called Christ".[44] For this shorter passage, most scholars consider it to be substantially authentic,[45] while others raise doubts.[46]



More notably, in the Testimonium Flavianum, it is written:



About this time came Jesus, a wise man, if indeed it is appropriate to call him a man. For he was a performer of paradoxical feats, a teacher of people who accept the unusual with pleasure, and he won over many of the Jews and also many Greeks. He was the Christ. When Pilate, upon the accusation of the first men amongst us, condemned him to be crucified, those who had formerly loved him did not cease to follow him, for he appeared to them on the third day, living again, as the divine prophets foretold, along with a myriad of other marvellous things concerning him. And the tribe of the Christians, so named after him, has not disappeared to this day.[47]



Concerns have been raised about the authenticity of the passage, and it is widely held by scholars that at least part of the passage is an interpolation by a later scribe. Judging from Alice Whealey's 2003 survey of the historiography, it seems that the majority of modern scholars consider that Josephus really did write something here about Jesus, but that the text that has reached us is corrupt to a perhaps quite substantial extent. In the words of the Catholic Encyclopedia entry for Flavius Josephus, "The passage seems to suffer from repeated interpolations." There has been no consensus on which portions are corrupt, or to what degree.



In antiquity, Origen recorded that Josephus did not believe Jesus was the Christ,[48] as it seems to suggest in the quote above. Dr. L. Michael White argued against authenticity, citing that parallel sections of Josephus's Jewish War do not mention Jesus, and that some Christian writers as late as the third century, who quoted from the Antiquities, do not mention the passage.[49] While very few scholars believe the whole testimonium is genuine,[50] most scholars have found at least some authentic words of Josephus in the passage.[51] Certain scholars of Josephus's works have observed that this portion is written in his style.[52]



There is one main reason to believe Josephus did originally mention Jesus and that the passage was later edited by a Christian into the form we have now. There is a passage from a 10th century Arab historian named Agapius of Manbij who was a Christian. He cites Josephus as having written:



At this time there was a wise man who was called Jesus. And his conduct was good, and (he) was known to be virtuous and many people from among the Jews and the other nations became his disciples. Pilate condemned him to be crucified and to die. And those who had become his disciples did not desert his discipleship. They reported that he had appeared to them three days after his crucifixion and that he was alive; accordingly, he was perhaps the Messiah concerning whom the prophets have recounted wonders.[53]



The text from which Agapius quotes is more conservative and is closer to what one would expect Josephus to have written. The similarities between the two passages imply a Christian author later removed the conservative tone and added interpolations.[54]



[edit] Pliny the Younger



Pliny the Younger, the provincial governor of Pontus and Bithynia, wrote to Emperor Trajan c. 112 concerning how to deal with Christians, who refused to worship the emperor, and instead worshiped "Christus".



Those who denied that they were or had been Christians, when they invoked the gods in words dictated by me, offered prayer with incense and wine to your image, which I had ordered to be brought for this purpose together with statues of the gods, and moreover cursed Christ — none of which those who are really Christians, it is said, can be forced to do — these I thought should be discharged. Others named by the informer declared that they were Christians, but then denied it, asserting that they had been but had ceased to be, some three years before, others many years, some as much as twenty-five years. They all worshiped your image and the statues of the gods, and cursed Christ.[55]



Charles Guignebert, who does not doubt that Jesus of the Gospels lived in Gallilee in the first century, nevertheless dismisses this letter as acceptable historical evidence: "Only the most robust credulity could reckon this assertion as admissible evidence for the historicity of Jesus"[56]

This article's factual accuracy is disputed. Please see the relevant discussion on the talk page. (February 2009)



[edit] Tacitus

Main article: Tacitus on Jesus



Tacitus (c. 56–c. 117), writing c. 116, included in his Annals a mention of Christianity and "Christus", the Latinized Greek translation of the Hebrew word "Messiah". In describing Nero's persecution of Christians following the Great Fire of Rome c. 64, he wrote:



Nero fastened the guilt of starting the blaze and inflicted the most exquisite tortures on a class hated for their abominations, called Christians by the populace. Christus, from whom the name had its origin, suffered the extreme penalty during the reign of Tiberius 14-37 at the hands of one of our procurators, Pontius Pilatus, and a most mischievous superstition, thus checked for the moment, again broke out not only in Judaea, the first source of the evil, but even in Rome, where all things hideous and shameful from every part of the world find their centre and become popular.[57]



There have been suggestions that this was a Christian interpolation but the vast majority of scholars conclude that the passage was written by Tacitus.[58] For example, R. E. Van Voorst noted the improbability that later Christians would have interpolated "such disparaging remarks about Christianity".[59]


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