Question:
TO ATHIESTS: what is your proof/theory that God doesn't exsist?
anonymous
2010-12-15 09:08:01 UTC
1)who do yo think created all of these things if god doesn't exist??
2) where do humans come from if god didn't create them??

Please mention what your saying is your theory or a proof.

And Please no Jokes here, I respect Your thoughts, but I want to know more about what you think and why. and BTW This is not a question against you and your beliefs.
40 answers:
anonymous
2010-12-15 09:15:50 UTC
There's no need for any such thing.

Believers in magical gods make claims that magical gods exist. If they want people to accept their claims, they need to provide evidence that their claims are correct. They have no such evidence, so their claims are rightly ignored as worthless.



Absent *any* evidence, there's no reason to assume there is any such thing as a god. Even if we have no knowledge whatsoever about how people or our planet or the universe came to be, there's no reason to assume a magical god had anything to do with any of it if there's no evidence for such a magical god. If we had no knowledge whatsoever, the correct and honest answer would be "I don't know how it got here," not "a magical god for which there is no evidence of any kind did it."



As it turns out, though we *do* have quite a bit of knowledge about how humans, the earth, and the universe came to be. Literally hundreds of millions of pieces of evidence that show us how these things happened. And guess what? All of that evidence shows that everything in the universe, and the universe itself, are the natural results of natural processes. No "god" is evidenced, implied, or required.



Finally, there are no "beliefs" in atheism. We simply don't accept your claims (and those of other people) that there ARE magical gods, mainly because you can't show any evidence to back those claims up. That's all.



In case you missed the point...what is YOUR proof/theory that Zeus or leprechauns don't exist?

Get it?



Peace.
Eye of Mars
2010-12-15 09:16:09 UTC
1) Who said that anybody had to create these things? That, to me, is the inherent flaw in this first question; you assume that there had to be a creator (and since you say 'who', I assume an intelligent one), and I'd contend that this doesn't need to be the case.



My understanding goes something like this: Time is an inherent dimension of the universe, and doesn't exist outside it (at least the time that we're living by). Therefore, the idea of something coming 'before' the universe is a ridiculous claim, since the very concept of 'before and after' requires time.



To illustrate, I'd say the universe is roughly 13.5 billion years old. You might, reasonably, ask what there was 20 billion years ago. I'd respond: There is no such thing as 20 billion years ago, as time has only been around 13.5 billion years. The point being, the universe has 'always' existed, as in it's existed for all time, even though that length of time is finite. There's no requirement that something have put it here, since at that point 'cause and effect' or 'before and after' were inherently meaningless.



2) Well, humanity is simply the result of evolutionary processes ending up with a particular result. There's nothing inherently 'special' about humanity; we're just really attached to the idea because, well, we're human. We're a little self-biased. But otherwise we came about through natural processes the same as everything else. Sure, we have a bunch of traits that no other creature we've ever seen has. But it's simply the chance culmination of beneficial traits that led us to be what we are. I mean, if evolution had retained our intelligence, but had us all be blue with six legs, we'd hold that form to be somehow meaningful. It's not, really; it's just the way the traits lined up.
anonymous
2010-12-17 03:30:04 UTC
I don't believe he exists because i don't have proof he does, and humans like all things came from millions of years of evolution which there is p[roof for in fossil records and the like.

My proof for why god doesn't exist is, well I don't have any BUT there is no proof there is a god and that's why I'm an atheist if there ever becomes proof of god I will live by the words of Tim Minchin:

"You show me that it works and how it works

And when I've recovered from the shock

I will take a compass and carve 'Fancy That' on the side of my cock.”

Not that I have anything against anyone that's religious i just can't believe it without proof
Nun of the above
2010-12-15 09:28:17 UTC
"1)who do yo think created all of these things if god doesn't exist??

2) where do humans come from if god didn't create them??"



You don't have to supply information on astrophysics or biology to cast doubt on the existence of God. If this was the case, then you would have to use it to disprove a deity you don't believe in which, in turn, would disprove your own deity.



Yahweh (who I'll assume we're referring to) is not the only creator god in history. He's not even the first recorded creator deity. So how do you go about disproving the others? It can't be using this method because, as mentioned, it would render the claim of your god void.
A Nonny Mouse
2010-12-15 09:22:11 UTC
Simple fact: you cannot prove a negative. I cannot prove, therefore, that god does not exist, however the facts as given by provable science points to his existence being highly unlikely. I, unlike many religious types, am happy to admit that I don't know the answers to everything. I do not know how we and everything around us came into being, but humankind is a very curious creature and we will get to the answers eventually. Defaulting to the answer "god did it" every time we come across something we don't understand has always stifled progress and is a very dangerous way of thinking - if you are discouraged from asking questions, you will never find answers. Or is that what you're scared of?
fusepark
2010-12-15 09:18:48 UTC
1. Natural expansion and development of the physical universe according to the laws of physics after either a Big Bang or the latest of a series of contractions and expansions.



2. Evolution of living forms responding to selective pressure.



*You need to understand the meaning of the word theory, which you will find in place of the word proof in science. The word proof belongs to mathematics. When science says "theory," it means that this is as developed an understanding as we have at present. Every fact we've got fits the theory, the theory explains our observations and provides accurate predictions, but it could still be disproved by new facts, and we will keep searching. Science always keeps searching.



God, basically, is unnecessary. And to an atheist, looking out across the many thousands of gods and belief systems at work now and in the past, it's clear that religious faith has changed and grown and vanished throughout our history. How can I not believe in your god? Note that you didn't even tell me which one to judge. Do you believe in Baal? Zeus? Saturn? Probably not. All those have come and gone. Do I think your god will as well, in the fullness of time? Yep. Will your grandchildren believe your god created the universe and all of us? Your great-great-grandchildren? I have to think, probably not.
anonymous
2010-12-15 09:12:20 UTC
1. They were not "created". Matter and energy can neither be created nor destroyed. Both have always existed in some form or another.



2. Humans come from a long, evolutionary line of species, just as all living things do, that have survived millions of years. This is proven with mountains of evidence that, although freely available to you, will likely be ignored so that you can continue to spew your dogma.



3. I need no proof that a god doesn't exist. Do you also believe in the tooth fairy? According to your logic, you should because you can't prove she doesn't exist either.



Simple logic, my friend. Really simple logic.
Amy
2010-12-15 09:57:29 UTC
My theory is that the Bible is an aggregate collection of stories and most of the events described in it never happened (or at least not as described).

This disproves only the specific God of that book. Similar theories could be applied to other gods if I knew as much about them.



The supporting evidence is not absolute proof, but it's more convincing than anything offered by the opposing theory.

- Many of the stories in the Bible (eg, the Flood) can be traced to older stories belonging to other cultures/religions. The details of the stories are very different.

- Discoveries in genetics, geology, astronomy, chemistry, and other sciences show that life/the Earth/the universe is billions of years old, not a few thousand. For example: the first measurement of cosmic background radiation fit PERFECTLY with the theoretical values calculated from the big bang theory.

- Meanwhile, science has eliminated the need to believe in many other gods. The Nile floods each year because snow melts in the mountains, not because Ra decides to feed his people.

- Christians' interpretation of the Bible (and before that, Jews' interpretation of the Torah) has changed over time, so that the God most Christians today believe in bears little resemblance to the one in the book.



Of course you can believe that the stories were 'corrected' by divine inspiration, that all of science is mistaken, that Ra makes it snow, and that your own personal interpretation is the correct one.

I can't prove a negative. I can only look at the evidence and conclude that one theory fits the data better than the other.





As for creation -

First of all, I don't need a counter-theory in order to reject yours.



Humans evolved from a proto-primate ancestor. So did gorillas, chimps, etc. Going back further, the proto-primate evolved from a proto-mammal, which evolved from a proto-animal. Cells began as pockets of lipids condensing around trapped RNA. Where exactly these constructions can be called "life" depends on your definition.

The Earth formed when gravity slowly accumulated a clump of the denser atoms left over after the sun formed. Lighter elements came from nuclear fusion; all the elements heavier than iron came from supernova explosions.

Atoms formed when the early universe expanded enough to cool enough for electrokinetic interactions to trap electrons in orbitals around protons.

I don't claim to know why the big bang happened. Do you claim to know why God exists?
Staggerlee2ElectricBoogaloo
2010-12-15 09:19:33 UTC
1) how come you assume it was a who and not a what?

2) natural processes



it is impossible for us to prove a negative in this situation, especially where the matters are supernatural in nature. theists such as yourself have not provided me with evidence of this beings existence therefore by default i do not believe (and saying well look at human beings, and look at nature around you someone had to make it, that is an argument from ignorance, you do not understand the science behind what we know about life the universe etc. so god did it, that's not proof or evidence)

i do the same thing in all areas where the supernatural is concerned i will not believe it until i have evidence for it, for example leprechauns, i can't prove they don't exist (try it it's just not possible), but those claiming their existence have not provided me with evidence that they do in fact exist so my default position is they don't exist
anonymous
2010-12-15 09:16:06 UTC
1. We dont know who created it. So we feel we dont have the right to claim some imaginary person did it.



2. See number 1.



The evidence for god is really shady. Only a select few people passed on stories that were written about 40 years after the events took place. There is no proof for god and no proof there ever was one.



Humans are the only animals with the arrogance to say they were created in the image of a god. also, Humans will submit to a conspiracy theory to no theory at all.
?
2010-12-15 09:17:34 UTC
As far as atheists are concerned, the driving force that shaped all species, including humans, is evolution, which basically means, that all life forms stem from one common ancestor, new life forms come into being by natural selection, a process that determines which genes are useful and which are not, evolution is a random process, so it doesn't need god.

as for that first ancestor, and how the planets came into being, they have some theories including the big bang theory...

the point is : for them, all this sh!t is random lol
emenech
2010-12-15 20:40:52 UTC
Atheists in total illusion, they always want things to be proved physically or scientifically.



There are many things which you can't prove physically, but its there like wind, energy, thinking power, feelings, senses, dreams etc.



Science always need some physical facts to proof. Thats why its still not in a position to prove the soul. No one reject the theory of soul which is existing in all the living creatures. This is enough to proof that the science is not perfect.



How can a imperfect thing assess or proves or excepts the perfect thing like God Almighty and His soul. God only gave life (soul) to all creations.



Will any one proof the existence of the space which we are believing. Its according to the limited knowledge and senses we say that emptiness is space. But its incorrect. the word emptiness itself proves that there is something and is not to be seen. Saying not to be seen is proves the existence.



God is Powerful and He does things from nothing. God created many things like that. Our heart works by power of electricity. This is why Pace Makers (powered by battery) are installed inside the body to make the works to people when some one suffers lack of heart functions or failure.



In this case (on the above fact electricity without battery) ,no one demands the existence of an instrument for that particular function of heart or reject the fact. But accept the fact.



To answer the question, No one could give proof that there is no God Almighty.
?
2010-12-16 06:38:32 UTC
Though I believe in god, I think the bible is somewhat metaphorical. I think he set the world into motion. And I believe in evolution. Fine, Atheists can believe that when they'll die, everything will be black. And I will believe that I'll go to heaven. The thing I don't like is that most Atheists, or most of the ones I've met, enjoy squashing faith. You believe what you want to believe, and I'll believe what I want to believe.
Bill
2010-12-15 09:25:19 UTC
Honestly all of your questions have a answer. You need to educate yourself in the scientific facts not the theories of evolution and natural selection. What you will find is proven facts that were put together by well educated scientists that are renowned for the work they have accomplished.

Religious representatives like a preacher are teaching words from a book that has been written and reinterpreted by many people and even alterations. The events in this book are not practical it lacks credibility when it comes to reality. In science one only needs to look at the facts no faith is required.
Marika H
2010-12-15 09:18:15 UTC
1.) No one created anything by magic.

2.) Humans evolved.



Proof that god doesn't exist? Fine: I am human. I'm not even particularly sane, lol. However, that said, I would never dream of murdering my own children because they disagree with me, ignore me, or anything else. Yet your god, who is supposedly perfect, has no problems with the daily murder of innocents.



So, either god doesn't exist, or I'm better than god. Take your pick.
anonymous
2010-12-15 09:11:34 UTC
The lack of tangible evidence. The lack of credible first hand accounts. The many contradictions that come with religion. The hypocrisy of self proclaimed "believers". The fact that no loving god would allow the horrors of this world to take place. No benevolent being would cast its creation into hell for eternity. No intelligent creator would expect is creation to accept its existence without proof.



The big bang sparked life as we know it. Evolution is where humans come from...
anonymous
2010-12-15 09:15:03 UTC
First, stop asking us to disprove a negative. That is impossible and thus you are wasting your time.



1) Nothing "created" it. This is a loaded question and to boot, shifting the burden of proof. Just because we don't know all the details doesn't instantly mean GODDIDIT.

2) That's easy, evolution.
anonymous
2010-12-15 09:14:46 UTC
I simply believe that there's no omnipotent entity who loves us. Nor is there an omnipotent entity who wants to send us a message but can't make easily understood unchangeable books. Nor is there an omniscient entity who is perfect who has the original copy of his holy book, proceeds to read it to his prophet, but couldn't be bothered to proofread his own book so has to abrogate stuff b/c he changed his mind. Nor is there an omnipotent entity who wants the world to be Muslim but somehow needs his followers to make this happen for him. In short, all the big religions posit logical impossibilities for gods. Except Hinduism. It's big, it's a religion but I don't know enough about their religion to say such things. That said, I like beef.
Trivia Jockey
2010-12-15 09:11:39 UTC
That's not the relevant question. Atheists believe in a negative, i.e. that god does not exist. That is our theory, in the absence of any evidence supporting the opposite conclusion.



Think about it...everything that you believe doesn't exist, like faries, or flying invisible elephants, or whatever...the reason you don't believe they exist is NOT because someone DISPROVED them, but rather there is no evidence whatsoever suggesting that they do exist. You don't require any PROOF of their non-existence.
anonymous
2010-12-15 09:17:59 UTC
Once again someone who is being anthropomorphic. There must be a someone behind everything. I don't think that.



an·thro·po·mor·phism (nthr-p-môrfzm)

n.

Attribution of human motivation, characteristics, or behavior to inanimate objects, animals, or natural phenomena.
anonymous
2010-12-15 09:12:22 UTC
"In the beginning, God created the heavens and the Earth" - Genesis 1:1





This suggests that there was nothing there before that which science has proven as impossible. Not to mention the singularity when there was just energy floating around, the First Law of Thermodynamics proves that "energy cannot be created or destroyed". Since the scriptures claims god created everything from nothing, we can see a huge plot hole already.
anonymous
2010-12-15 09:11:59 UTC
1) Abiogenesis+evolution+other natural processes created everything, no "God" needed.



2) We are the culmination of billions of years worth of evolution. We've known this for about 150 years, try to keep up.



Where's YOUR proof that he DOES exist? You obviously don't understand the concept of burden of proof. You're the one making the extraordinary claim that a magical sky daddy poofed everything into existence, therefore the burden of proof rests on YOU, not us. If I claim an invisible rainbow-colored unicorn exists in my garage, it would be up to me to provide evidence for that claim.





Also, learn to spell "atheists."
Robin W
2010-12-15 09:11:42 UTC
All of your questions assume the existence of a creator. I am waiting for proof that a god exists. I don't have to prove that one does not exist.
anonymous
2010-12-15 09:13:20 UTC
There is no atheist set of beliefs!!!



Why can't people figure that out!!!



I could answer your questions but I can not say it on behalf of atheism because people with religous beliefs can and sometimes do think as I do.
anonymous
2010-12-15 09:15:57 UTC
The study of the Vedas is the highest type of learning, since it leads to the conquest of death, while all other studies deal with the means of deriving little pleasures of the world. The Vedas show the path to the realms of eternal bliss, where there is neither birth nor death. People strive to know all about the world, but they seldom try to know even an iota of their own inner realms.
Leo King
2010-12-15 09:23:53 UTC
No, that's no good: you have to offer US proof that he does exist. God not existing is the default state until you can verify that he does exist.
Demi
2010-12-15 09:11:57 UTC
Where is your proof you did not steal that $20 from the charity jar at the coffee house counter last week? If you can't prove it wasn't you, it obviously WAS you, you dirty thief! Because that's the way the burden of proof works, right?
A
2010-12-15 09:12:25 UTC
Look up abiogenesis and evolution...

And think of the universe. Being created slowly over billions of years. Instead of just at one instant....what seems more logical?

I can go on, but look up those things please if you haven't heard of them before
anonymous
2010-12-15 09:15:09 UTC
God’s existence as the uncreated, uncaused Cause cannot be proven if one refuses to observe the obvious proof, Creation; nor disproven by substituting theories, imaginary beings or evil to escape accountability to your Maker. God did not create a screwed up creation, nor impotently allow it to get this way; Mankind’s persistent rebellion against Him ruined it – the accumulation of each individual’s choices to sin has gotten us where we are today. Mankind would have self-annihilated long ago, were it not for the existence of God proving his love for us by inexorably moving us toward His redemption. Evil, suffering, natural disasters, etc only prove that it is Man’s persistent rebellion saturating His Creation with our sins that has only corrupted, but not defeated His plan for redemption. Will you look to the Creator and his solution for the problems of this drop in the ocean of eternity, called life; or, will you worship your intellect instead?

You have the opportunity now to join His restoration effort, or be left to the inferno of this corrupted creation as it is transformed into His perfection. God proved His love for you by making the way for your sins to be forgiven when you confess your sins to Him and ask His forgiveness. He will. Then turn from them proving your repentance is real. Trust Jesus took the punishment your sins deserved, on His cross. Why refuse forgiveness for your sins and eternal life?

Read how the Bible says to be right with God, Matthew 4:17; Acts 2:38; Acts 3:19; Romans 2:4-5; Romans 3:23-24; James 2:10; Hebrews 9:27; 1 John 1:8-9; Romans 5:8; Romans 10:9-10; Romans 10:13; Ephesians 2:8-9; 2 Corinthians 5:21; 1 Peter 2:24; 1 Peter 3:18; John 3:36; 1 John 5:11-13; www.GodsLoveProven.com 'So then, each of us will give an account of them self to God.' Romans 14:12
?
2010-12-15 09:12:52 UTC
Try looking up Abiogenesis and Evolution.
Catch you laterr
2010-12-15 09:17:00 UTC
The whole concept of god dosen't make sense..
anonymous
2010-12-15 09:09:45 UTC
The fact that god is obviously just humans applying our own way of thinking to nature.



1) 'Who' do you think created.... Why should nature be created by a person? ...You are perfectly demonstrating what I just said.



2) See science.



You really need to watch this...

Douglas Adams - The origin of god:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hDC_NcihiV8



It answers your first question perfectly.
Saint Lilith
2010-12-15 09:10:16 UTC
1. Natural processes.



2. Humans evolved over millions of years.
anonymous
2010-12-15 09:17:08 UTC
The fact that you run and hide from your obligation to prove your claim.
anonymous
2010-12-15 09:10:17 UTC
To argue that because we don't know how life came to be then it must have been created by 'God' is foolish.
anonymous
2010-12-15 09:10:20 UTC
Step 1) Look up burden of proof.

Step 2) Feel stupid.
anonymous
2010-12-15 09:13:12 UTC
Atheists corrupted minds have no standing to deny the existence of God in any way whatsoever. They could create anything to please their own mind. We shouldn't be boarder with their delusional brain autopsy.
Vanessa
2010-12-15 09:15:46 UTC
toothfairy and santa and god are ridicilous ideas and physically impossible.
Annie
2010-12-15 09:18:16 UTC
Please note the LACK of LOGICAL answers.... Also please note the AVOIDANCE tactics taken.....

They have NO evidence..... go in peace..... God bless

*edit*, How do you prove a negative ?? First *prove* that God IS a negative !!!
anonymous
2010-12-15 09:09:40 UTC
www.ExposingChristianity.com here is my proof that God doesn't exist.


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