U R not wrong. U should read history before 9/11 and all that. U should see what the Britishers did to the Muslims in the sub-continent and so on.
N williamoz I'd like to answer u. also refer to question:https://answersrip.com/question/index?qid=20060821040940AAsHLSm
Quran – a harsh book of law????
Quote:- "and that you shall not kill - for that is forbidden by Allah - except for a just cause." End quote:-
This verse, or similar, is quoted about at least 3 – 4 times in the Quran. Let us examine the phrase ‘except for a just cause’
Most non-muslims critics take that as a verse which tells u to wage war on non-muslims. I do not agree them. The reason here is simple. If someone attacks my country, it is my duty as a good moral HUMAN, as a good CITIZEN of my country, to defend my country. How do I that?? By fighting them back!!!! How do I fight back??? By non-coperation?? By protests?? By sending up pleas to the government?? Will it work? If they come to my house with the intention of killing me and my family, I have every right to defend myself. Sometimes, these kinds of things go in the extremem and some people are killed. From my point of view, it was a just cause.
Even the work of a ‘hangman’ can be known as a just cause. If the judge decides to give a criminal a death penalty, someone has to give him death. That is the work of a hangman and that is ‘a just cause’.
The work of a butcher is seen by some as ruthless but it is also ‘a just cause’. U have to slaughter cow, goat, chicken, camel….u have to kill it n that will be a ‘just cause’.
4:74. Fight for the cause of the Allah. He who dies or who triumphs….. etc.
In a normal war and everything, we fight for our country. If I die doing a heroic deed, historians remember the heroic soldiers etc. If I triumph, I get medals and my photos come in the newspapers n reporters flock to me.
By the way, when we go into a war field, it should be remembered that death is not very far. Those who go there ‘expecting not to die’ are total fools and cowards.
Yeah, u don’t know any “evangelist who went out slaying or killing those to whom they were evangelizing”
I’m taking the example of TODAY. American soldiers did not go into Iraq without killing any Iraqis???
Verse 9:123 - "Believers, make war on the infidels who dwell around you."
One thing the author forgot to mention here is this:- If we read chapter 9 from the beginning, it says that there was a peace treaty between the Muslims and the Mushriqs (pagans) of Makkah. This treaty was violated by the Mushriqs of Makkah. A period of four months was given to the Mushriqs of Makkah to make amends. Otherwise war would be declared against them. This Surah is mainly based upon this war. The verse which I have mentioned above is in perfect harmony If u read the WHOLE chapter. The infidels who did dwell around them violated their treaty and betrayed the muslims. It is perfectly logical and clear without any so called ‘terrorism’ in the verse.
Verse 47:3 - "When you meet the unbelievers in the battlefield strike off their heads and, when you have laid them low, bind your captives firmly."
If u think this is a harsh religion, tell me, what are you supposed to do in a battlefield to ur enemy who wants to kill u anyway. Invite them to tea??
N If u call this a harsh religion, pls tell the American soldiers not to take Iraqi and afghani prisoners. Not to open fires on them!!
Verse 48:29 - "Muhammad is Allah's apostle. Those who follow him are ruthless to the unbelievers but merciful to one another."
Verse 66:9 - "Prophet, make war on the unbelievers and the hypocrites, and deal sternly with them. Hell shall be their home, evil their fate."
IF the above verses are ‘hostile’ than I have a simply question to ask you. What r u supposed to do to a criminal?? By ‘unbelievers’ here, it doesn’t mean that those people who have every other god BUT Allah. It means anyone who is not a decent human being. If u rape a woman, If u murder someone, If u r a thief…anything, even If u believe in Allah, u r practically a non-believer. Believers do not steal, do not murder, do not rape ; they are in short, not criminals. U R supposed to be evil n ruthless to a criminal in EVERY society.
5:17 - "Unbelievers are those who declare: 'God is the Messiah, the son of Mary.'
5:51 - "Believers, take neither the Jews nor the Christians for your friends. They are friends with one another
The word used for friends here is ‘auliya’ which also means protectors. If u read on to verse 52 it says,
And you see those in whose hearts there is a disease (oh hypocrisy), they hurry to their friendship, saying: “We fear lest some misfortune of a disaster may befall us.” Perhaps Allah may bring a victory or a decision according to His Will. Then they will become regretful for what they have been keeping as a secret in themselves.”
Now it becomes clearer. What verse 5:51 actually means is that, do not take the unbelievers as ur friends so that they will help u from disaster. They won’t. In fact, they will turn on you and destroy you and you will regret it. It happened in the times when Prophet Mohammad was alive. It is even happening now. US went to Iraq to ‘free Iraq’. To find ‘weapons of mass destruction’ and so on. The shias became friends with them because the US promised them elections and everything. But, when everything was said and done, the US did not keep their promise. The Shias got nothing. They are empty handed as before. So in a way, verse 5:51 is correct and in perfect harmony, even in today’s time.
Verse 5:59 - "Say: 'People of the Book, is it not that you hate us only because we believe in Allah and in what has been revealed to us and what was formerly revealed, and because most of you are evil-doers?' Say: 'Shall I tell you who will receive a worse reward from Allah? Those whom Allah has cursed and with whom He has been angry, transforming them into apes and swine, and those who serve the devil."
And those are the only ones who will receive a worse reward than the Jews and Christians. Doesn't sound to me like we all have the same religion and worship the same God. Why would my God, whom I worship do that to me for worshiping Him?
U have got it wrong. It is those who will receive a worse reward than the jews who know the truth but violate it. Who know and understand the truth but do not accept it and twist it in such a way so that even others start having misconceptions about the truth.
5:72 - "Unbelievers are those that say:'God is the Messiah, the son of Mary." and then verse 5:73 - "Unbelievers are those that say: 'God is one of three.'"
If u have studied the Arabic language, u will see that often when taking the word, it has to be taken into context. The unbelievers, r in short, two types. Those who believe in Allah but do bad deeds. They are also termed as hypocrites in the Quran. The other type is, those who do not believe in Allah and have other gods. In Islam, the concept of God is clear. There is one God, eternal, with all the powers over all things. He has no parents nor a son nor a wife for he is above such material things.
109:1-6 - "Say: 'Unbelievers, I do not worship what you worship, nor do you worship what I worship. I shall never worship what you worship, nor will you ever worship what I worship. You have your own religion and I have mine.'"
In short, the Muslims will never worship Jesus, son of Mary, nor Buddah, nor Krishna nor any other faith. N those who hate the Muslims will never worship Allah no matter how much explanation is done to them.
Verse 4:101 - "The unbelievers are your inveterate foe."
If the Christians and Jews are friends, what improvement is there in Iraq? What improvement is there in Afghanistan??? The US is doing nothing except trying to get as much oil as it can. Why didn’t the US stop Israel from bombing Lebanon? So the children and the women look like terrorists? Not to me.
. Verse 49:15 "The true believers are those that have faith in Allah and His apostle, and never doubt; and who fight with their wealth and with their persons in the cause of Allah. Such are those whose faith is true."
Fighting can be of two types too. One is jihad or crusade or wold war….any name u need. One is fighting with the pen or tongue. What is known as sometimes, ‘propaganda’. If a Muslim fights for the cause of Allah with the help of his pen, by writing books or writing articles on the internet or anything, even their faith is true.
. Muhammad hated hypocrites even worse than he did Jews and Christians.
I don’t think there is anyone alive who like cheaters and hypocrites. Why should Mohammad like them?
If you die fighting, you go to Heaven, period.
Yeah, this sort of thing can be hold true even for the bible. What about the crusades? What about the ‘holocaust’?
Verse 48:16 - "Say to the desert Arabs who stayed behind: 'You shall be called upon to fight a mighty nation, unless they embrace Islam. If you prove obedient, Allah will reward you well. But If you run away, as you have done before this, He will inflict on you a stern chastisement.' It shall be no offense for the blind, the lame, and the sick to stay behind. He that obeys Allah and His apostle shall be admitted to gardens watered by running streams; but he that turns and flees shall be sternly punished by Him."
It is being unloyal to ur contry, if u are of stout heart n muscles, that u stay at home when ur country needs soldiers. If the soldiers r obedient, they get medals. If they run away, there is often a stern punishment for them.
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Years ago, I read about a British officer (it was so long ago I don't remember his name or rank) who was fighting a group of Muslim guerrillas in the early to mid 20th Century. He did what I just finished doing, he studied his enemy under the oldest and most ignored rule of combat, know your enemy. He studied Islam and found a flaw in their belief system which he managed to use to defeat the Muslims.
The Muslims believe that, If their body becomes contaminated with any part of a pig such as its skin, meat, blood, urine, or even pig grease from cooking the pig, they cannot go to Heaven and will spend eternity in Hell. This law applies to them even after they are dead and even If they were killed fighting and killing non-Muslims. You see, according to Islam, If you were to pour pig grease on any part of the remains of a dead terrorist who just blew himself up killing non-Muslims, he would not be permitted into Heaven and would spend eternity in Hell.
Using this knowledge, the British officer had his men dip all their bullets in pig grease AND made it public knowledge. The Muslims quickly quit fighting and went home. This is because they could not only not get into Heaven If they were killed fighting this British unit but would be sent to Hell If they were killed fighting this British unit. Ingeniously, the British officer removed their motivation to die fighting the British and replaced it with a motivation to stop fighting the British.
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U R WRONG!!!! If u have read an O’level Pakistanihistory book by Nigel Kelly u will see that the IMMEDIATE cause of “War of Independence or “The Indian mutiny” was this; that the British coated their cartridges with cow (for the hindus) and pig grease. It is explained on pg 52 of the book “This History and Culture of Pakistan” by Nigel Kelly. The publishers are ‘peak publishing’. It really is a text book for the O’level Cambridge exam of Pakistan History and Culture paper but you’ll see everything clearly. Here, I’ll give u the points:-
In January 1857 the British announced that they were introducing a new rifle with a paper cartridge covered in grease to keep the powder dry. Before the cartridge could be loaded, the end had to be bitten off. However, it was rumored that the grease on the cartridge was made from the fat of both cows and pigs. The sepoys (infantry) were so angred by this that they refused to use the new cartridges.
In March a sepoy named Mangal Pandey defied his British officers and was executed. But the real trouble began two months later
In May sepoys in Meerut refused to touch the new cartridges. They were court-martialled and put in prison, but their fellow soldiers broke into the prison and freed them. Meerut was sacked and British officers and other Europeans were put to death. Then the soldiers marched to Delhi and captured it. The Mughal Emperor, Bahadur Shah became the unifying symbol for the uprising, winning the support of both Muslims and Hindus.
The revolt spread quickly and the British lost control of Mathura, Kanpur, Jhansi and Allahabad as well as Delhi. Lucknow was also taken and British rule ceased to exist throughout what is now called Uttar Pradesh.
However, the British proved to be too powerful to be defeated by an uncoordinated uprising across many areas. In September 1857 Delhi was regained. Bahadur Shah surrendered peacefully, but his sons Mirza Mughal, Mirza Sultan and Mirza Abu Bakr were brutally murdered. Their heads were then presented to the Emperor as a lesson. Lucknow was also regained by the British in September 1857.
After this there are a lot of points too but they do not concern this. Even then, the British were ruthless too.
Verse 8:27 - "Believers, do not betray Allah and the Apostle, nor knowingly betray your trust. Know that your worldly goods and your children are but a temptation, and that Allah's recompense is great."
. Verse 11:15 - "Those that desire the life of this world with all its finery shall be rewarded for their deeds in their own lifetime: they shall not be given less. They are those who in the world to come shall have earned nothing but the Fire."
Verse 18:46 - "Wealth and children are the ornament of this life."
Verse 29:64 - "The life of this world is but a sport and a diversion. It is the life to come that is the true life."
Very interesting verses, these.
I know for a fact that in the bible (don’t ask me the verse numbers) there is a verse that says ‘money is the root of all evil’. Well, u either earn money for urslef (which in a way, is selfish) or u either earn money, more money and some more money for ur spouse n kids. In doing so, u may do anything which u shouldn’t do. Like bribery, or stealing, or smuggling…anything. If u do it the ‘right’ way, u don’t get much money. Even if u do get a lot of money, it is seen in places that both the wife and husband have to work, thus, leaving the children either with baby-sitters and on their own. Some of them turn out ok, some of them turn out brats. The parents are not there to nurture their kids, to bring them up like good moral citizens. Then u get mothers at the age of 14 ( I heard a girl who became a mother at the age of 12!!!!) and teenagers in jail.
. Verse 8:41 - "Know that one-fifth of your spoils shall belong to Allah, the Apostle, the Apostle's kinsfolk, the orphans, the destitute, and the traveler in need."
quote : - It really doesn't sound like much until you do the math. Let's say that Muhammad had just 1,000 soldiers, they sacked a town, and each soldier averaged taking $10,000 worth of loot. Each soldier would get $8,000 for risking his life and possibly being wounded or crippled for life. (I assume the family members of the dead would get their share.) But Muhammad would get $2,000 from each of his soldiers or $2,000,000 for his take. Islam made Muhammad a very wealthy and powerful man. But this wasn't enough for Muhammad because he wrote another law which gave him more liberties with the loot. – end quote.
U forgot to calculate about the ‘apostle’s kinsfolk, the orphans, the destitute, and the traveler in need”. They have a share too. N a big one.
Verse 59:7 - "The spoils taken from the town-dwellers and assigned by Allah to His apostle shall belong to Allah, to the Apostle and his kinsfolk, to orphans, to the destitute and to the traveler in need; they shall not become the property of the rich among you. Whatever the Apostle gives you, accept it; and whatever he forbids you, abstain from it."
Verse 58:12 - "Believers, when you confer with the Apostle, give alms before such conference. That is best and most righteous for you.”
Quote: - It is a terrible sin for a Muslim to sign a peace treaty with a non-Muslim.- End quote
Read the life of Mohammad. Read about the treaty of Hudaibiyah. U have given me many facts about the Mohammad and the Caliphs painting them to be men of blood. When I did my own research, I came up with facts against it. The life of Mohammad is an open book. His life outside his home (trading, teaching, at times of war, politics…) and even his domestic life. Every thing stands out clearly. I can name u some books if u do so want:
Hero, Hero-worship and Heroic in History by Thomas Carlyle.
An apology for Muhammad and the Quran by John Daven Port.
Muhammad (PBUH) the best of the Prophets by Sulaiman Nadvi
Islam in Focus by Hammudah Abdalai
Islam at the cross road by De lacy O’ learly
There is another thing I should point out to you which u forgot to mention in ur facts. Thank u for telling me to do some research on my own. I most assurdly did and I came up with these facts: -
Muslims ruled Spain for about 800 years. The Muslims in Spain never used the sword to force the people to convert. Later the Christian Crusaders came to Spain and wiped out the Muslims. There was not a single Muslim in Spain who could openly give the adhan, that is the call for prayers.
Muslims were the lords of Arabia for 1400 years. For a few years the British ruled, and for a few years the French ruled. Overall, the Muslims ruled Arabia for 1400 years. Yet today, there are 14 million Arabs who are Coptic Christians i.e. Christians since generations. If the Muslims had used the sword there would not have been a single Arab who would have remained a Christian.
The Muslims ruled India for about a thousand years. If they wanted, they had the power of converting each and every non-Muslim of India to Islam. Today more than 80% of the population of India are non-Muslims. All these non-Muslim Indians are bearing witness today that Islam was not spread by the sword.
Indonesia is a country that has the maximum number of Muslims in the world. The majority of people in Malaysia are Muslims. May one ask, ’Which Muslim army went to Indonesia and Malaysia?’
Similarly, Islam has spread rapidly on the East Coast of Africa. One may again ask, If Islam was spread by the sword, ’Which Muslim army went to the East Coast of Africa?’
The famous historian, Thomas Carlyle, in his book ’Heroes and Hero worship’, refers to this misconception about the spread of Islam: ’The sword indeed, but where will you get your sword? Every new opinion, at its starting is precisely in a minority of one. In one man’s head alone. There it dwells as yet. One man alone of the whole world believes it, there is one man against all men. That he takes a sword and try to propagate with that, will do little for him. You must get your sword! On the whole, a thing will propagate itself as it can.’
By the noted historian De Lacy O’Leary in the book ’Islam at the cross road’ (Page 8):
’History makes it clear however, that the legend of fanatical Muslims sweeping through the world and forcing Islam at the point of the sword upon conquered races is one of the most fantastically absurd myth that historians have ever repeated.’
The Quran says:
’Invite (all) to the way of thy Lord
with wisdom and beautiful preaching;
and argue with them in ways that are
best and most gracious.’
[Al-Qur’an 16:125]
Now let us see what have posted.
Surah 2:190-193
"Fight in the cause of Allah those who fight you, but do not transgress limits; for Allah loveth not transgressors. And slay them wherever ye catch them, and turn them out from where they have Turned you out; for tumult and oppression are worse than slaughter; but fight them not at the Sacred Mosque, unless they first fight you there; but If they fight you, slay them. Such is the reward of those who suppress faith. But If they cease, Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful. And fight them on until there is no more Tumult or oppression, and there prevail justice and faith in Allah; but If they cease, Let there be no hostility except to those who practise oppression."
A very intresting verse. Points of interests have been marked
Surah 2:190-193
"Fight in the cause of Allah THOSE WHO FIGHT YOU, but do not transgress limits; for Allah loveth not transgressors. And slay them wherever ye catch them, and TURN THEM OUT FROM WHERE THEY HAVE TURNED YOU OUT; for tumult and oppression are worse than slaughter; but fight them not at the Sacred Mosque, unless they first fight you there; BUT IF THEY FIGHT YOU, SLAY THEM. Such is the reward of those who suppress faith. But If they cease, Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful. And fight them on until there is no more Tumult or oppression, and there prevail justice and faith in Allah; but If they cease, LET THERE BE NO HOSTILITY EXCEPT TO THOSE WHO PRACTISE OPPRESSION."
Each and every human being in this world is not in favour of maintaining peace and harmony. There are many, who would disrupt it for their own vested interests. Sometimes force has to be used to maintain peace. It is precisely for this reason that we have the police who use force against criminals and anti-social elements to maintain peace in the country. Islam promotes peace. At the same time, Islam exhorts it followers to fight where there is oppression. The fight against oppression may, at times, require the use of force. In Islam force can only be used to promote peace and justice.
2. Surah 9:5
"But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem of war; but If they repent, and establish regular prayers and pay Zakat, then open the way for them: for Allah is Oft- forgiving, Most Merciful."
3. Surah 9:73
"O Prophet! strive hard against the Unbelievers and the Hypocrites, and be firm against them. Their abode is Hell,- an evil refuge indeed."
4. Surah 9:123
"O ye who believe! fight the unbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you: and know that Allah is with those who fear Him."
5. Surah 9:29
"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the Religion of Truth, from among the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya (religion tax) with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued."
6. Surah 9:29
“Fight Jews and Christians because they violated the origin of their faith and they do not believe in the religion of the truth (Islam), which abrogated all other religions. Fight them until they pay the poll-tax (Ziziya tax) with submission and humiliation.”
Most of these verse are taken from chapter 9. In order to understand the context, we need to read from verse 1 of this chapter. It says that there was a peace treaty between the Muslims and the Mushriqs (pagans) of Makkah. This treaty was violated by the Mushriqs of Makkah. A period of four months was given to the Mushriqs of Makkah to make amends. Otherwise war would be declared against them. Verse 5 of Surah Taubah says:
"But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war); but If they repent, and establish regular prayers and practise regular charity, then open the way for them: for Allah is oft-forgiving, Most merciful."
[Al-Qur’an 9:5]
This verse is quoted during a battle.
Let’s take a small example
We know that America was once at war with Vietnam. Suppose the President of America or the General of the American Army told the American soldiers during the war: "Wherever you find the Vietnamese, kill them". Today If I say that the American President said, "Wherever you find Vietnamese, kill them" without giving the context, I will make him sound like a butcher. But If I quote him in context, that he said it during a war, it will sound very logical, as he was trying to boost the morale of the American soldiers during the war.
Similarly in Surah Taubah chapter 9 verse 5 the Qur’an says, "Kill the Mushriqs where ever you find them", during a battle to boost the morale of the Muslim soldiers. What the Qur’an is telling Muslim soldiers is, don’t be afraid during battle; wherever you find the enemies kill them.
Arun Shourie is one of the staunchest critics of Islam in India. He quotes the same verse, Surah Taubah chapter 9 verse 5 in his book ‘The World of Fatwahs’, on page 572. After quoting verse 5 he jumps to verse 7 of Surah Taubah. Any sensible person will realise that he has skipped verse 6.
Surah Taubah chapter 9 verse 6 gives the answer to the allegation that Islam promotes violence, brutality and bloodshed. It says:
"If one amongst the pagans ask thee for asylum,grant it to him, so that he may hear the word of Allah; and then escort him to where he can be secure that is because they are men without knowledge."
[Al-Qur’an 9:6]
The Qur’an not only says that a Mushriq seeking asylum during the battle should be granted refuge, but also that he should be escorted to a secure place. In the present international scenario, even a kind, peace-loving army General, during a battle, may let the enemy soldiers go free, If they want peace. But which army General will ever tell his soldiers, that If the enemy soldiers want peace during a battle, don’t just let them go free, but also escort them to a place of security?
This is exactly what Allah (swt) says in the Glorious Qur’an to promote peace in the world.
As I have stated above, even on a critical bases, the Quran doesn’t really tells of bloodshed and violence. IF people like Osama bin Laden or Arun Shourie take verses out of context to suit their purpose, is it the fault of the Quran or Allah?? I don’t think so
“They (the non-Muslim enemies and critics of Islam) plot and plan, and Allah too plans; but the best of planners is Allah”.
(Al-Qur'an 8:30)
You have advised the Muslims not to attack non-Muslims; I request you to direct your advice to those authorities, who only claim to be ‘peaceful, peace-loving people’ and ‘peace-keepers of the world’, but ironically have attacked thousands of innocent Muslims under the theme ‘War on terror’. The noted writer Arundhati Roy states: "So now we know. Pigs are horses. Girls are boys. War is Peace."
The terrorist acts attributed to Muslim suspects, should not be attributed to Islam or the Muslims in general but to individual human weaknesses. Such human failings occur among all religious and ethnic groups. Recorded history has not witnessed an incident similar to the ‘Holocaust’. However, one is not expected to and should not attribute the holocaust to Christianity or to Christians in general and should not show verses out of context in the bible.
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