Question:
A question for Athiests and Non-Believers?
Mary
2008-01-15 11:32:28 UTC
The universe exists. Is it eternal or did it have a beginning? It could not be eternal since that would mean that an infinite amount of time had to be crossed to get to the present. But, you cannot cross an infinite amount of time (otherwise it wouldn’t be infinite). Therefore, the universe had a beginning. Something cannot bring itself into existence. Therefore, something brought it into existence.

What brought the universe into existence? It would have to be greater than the universe and be a sufficient cause to it. The Bible promotes this sufficient cause as God. What does atheism offer instead of God?

All things that came into existence were caused to exist. You cannot have an infinite regression of causes (otherwise an infinity of time has been crossed which is impossible because an infinity cannot be crossed). Therefore, logically, there must be a single uncaused cause that did not come into existence. God is the single uncaused cause. Am I right?
55 answers:
anonymous
2008-01-15 12:39:54 UTC
Lion of Judah, is that you in drag?



I believe you meant to ask; "Is the website I copied and pasted this from right?"



(I can link to it if you want)



To answer simply; No, it's not correct. It's flawed logic, and totally incompatible with known facts. Do you want me to rip it apart, or are you satisfied enough for having posted it?



I can shred it for you if you want... but I'm guessing you really don't want it, do you?
anonymous
2008-01-15 13:50:57 UTC
"Something cannot bring itself into existence. Therefore, something brought it into existence."



"All things that came into existence were caused to exist."



You may be mistaken there. The world, by which I mean the part of the Universe that we can perceive, may be a quantum fluctuation. Some have calculated that the net energy of this world may be zero. You may understand that a bit better if you study physics - it is the difference between potential energy and say "kinetic" energy which are given different sign for good mathematical reasons. If the net energy (and therefore the net mass) of this world is zero, then what has been created?



"You cannot have an infinite regression of causes (otherwise an infinity of time has been crossed which is impossible because an infinity cannot be crossed). Therefore, logically, there must be a single uncaused cause that did not come into existence. God is the single uncaused cause. Am I right?"



Possibly not. The standard response to this is "Where did the creator come from - who or what created the creator and who or what created the creator of the creator?" This is a good reply though I think it may be insufficient. It is not essential for the creator to be wholly within the world created.

Outside this world, time as we understand it may have no or little meaning - eternity, if you like.



This world is either infinitely old already or it began at some fairly definite point. "Young Earth" creationists say about 6000 years ago. "Old Earth" creationists admit that it may be much older. The physical evidence points to about 13.7 thousand million years as far as we have been able to interpret it.



Whether you believe that this world was created 6000 or 13.7 thousand million years ago, there is not good reason to also assume that the creator as described by Christians, Hindus, Zoroastrians or anyone else is the one responsible. All these descriptions may be completely wrong.
Charles
2008-01-15 11:50:26 UTC
Well, well, well. An actual argument! What a welcome change. Of course, too few people will respond to the argument. Here are a few comments, though.



It is a given that the universe did not always exist, but your assertion that god created the universe invites the rejoinder "What created god?" This rejoinder applies here because you have not sufficiently attended to who, or what, god is that god does not need to be created.



You last paragraph is better since it invokes what seems to be a common sense notion that infinities of time, when the finitude of the universe is known, is a contradiction. But this can lead to the question of why I should accept your assertion that all things that exist have a cause. You might reply that you did not say all things that exist, but rather all things coming into existence.



You last paragraph is a pretty telling argument, even though it is not likely to be attended to. Another tack to replace "existence" and "causes" with "contingent" (or needing a explanation or evidence) and necessary (not needing evidence). That IMHO makes for a tighter argument.



Now then, how do you get from god as you have it here to the god of the OT, or the NT, or the Koran?



HTH



Charles
andrea m
2008-01-15 11:41:38 UTC
I don't know the answer to that obviously, but I don't think that the idea of a God can answer the question in any way. You're simply expanding the question - because God must have either existed for eternity or he/she/it/whatever must have had a beginning. So who created God?? And if God is the single uncaused cause - it's more likely that there have been particles out in there for ever. The concept of time is something that humans first started. A possibility could be that time didn't exist before - and then there was no beginning or end.



I don't know, but I do not think that God answers any questions in the end.
Simon T
2008-01-15 12:28:55 UTC
No.



You are wrong in many ways.



Consider the set of numbers that are positive integers.



Is this a finite set? No. it is infinite as you can always add one more to the biggest number. Does it have a beginning? Yes, at zero.



So your first premise disappears into a puff of smoke.





Why does something have to bring the universe into existence? You assume this with no reasoning. Also you assume that this thing has to be greater than the universe itself. You already claimed that the universe is infinite, there is nothing greater than infinity.



Finally why does your god not need a creator? Remove the word "universe" from your argument and put in the word "god". Why is your argument no longer valid? Other than you end up with an infinite recursion of more and more infinite gods creating each other. But if it not valid for god then it is not valid for the universe either.





You are wrong, wrong and wrong again.
anonymous
2008-01-15 14:09:02 UTC
>The universe exists. Is it eternal or did it have a beginning?



Our universe appears to have had a beginning, namely at the point of the Big Bang. However, it is highly probable that there exists an Omniverse of which our universe is only a part, and that this Omniverse is eternal (although it's conceivable that it might not be eternal). Alternatively, 'eternal' in the sense of our perception of time may not be the same thing as 'eternal' in the sense of absolute time. So there are a lot of possibilities to take into account.



>It could not be eternal since that would mean that an infinite amount of time had to be crossed to get to the present. But, you cannot cross an infinite amount of time



Ahem. That is incorrect. It is not possible for a sentient being (like a human) to EXPERIENCE an infinite amount of time, however there is nothing stating that the experience of a sentient being cannot start at a point in infinite time.



As an analogy, imagine an infinitely long line with dots on it spaced every two centimeters. The line has no ends, it extends forever in both directions. Imagine that you start at a dot on this line and count ten dots forwards. Is there anything impossible about doing this? No. It IS impossible to count to the point in front of you from the beginning of the line, but it is NOT impossible to count ten dots starting at the point in front of you. And time is the same way: You can't pass an infinite amount of it, but there's certainly nothing preventing you from starting in the middle of it and passing a finite amount from there.



>Therefore, the universe had a beginning.



As I have demonstrated above, that is not a necessary conclusion. But for the moment I'll humor you and imagine that it is.



>Something cannot bring itself into existence.



Not as far as we can tell, no. Our universe runs on a kind of logic that doesn't seem to allow things to arise from nothing. However, it is conceivable that the Omniverse above us uses a higher kind of logic by which it IS possible for something to arise from nothing, in which case there is really nothing preventing it from simply popping into existence. Alternatively, it's not impossible that at some level the Omniverse is not even logical at all. Personally I think both of these are rather unlikely (and the latter less likely than the former), but they are still possible.



>Therefore, something brought it into existence.



But you've already stated that one, nothing can be eternal, and two, something cannot arise from nothing. If these are stated as absolutes, then this 'something' you're talking about follows the same rules, which means it must in turn have a cause, which must also have had a cause, which must ALSO have had a cause, and so on ad infinitum. What you are doing here is stating some rules, and then using those rules to demonstrate the existence of something which doesn't obey the rules. But don't you understand that this is self-defeating? If the thing doesn't obey the rules, then the rules must have never really applied in the first place, which in turn means it is no longer necessary for the thing to exist.



In fact, the only thing you HAVE managed to prove through all this is that one or the other of your initial rules must be false. If everything must have a cause (your second rule), then the string of causes goes back forever and is therefore eternal (violating your first rule). On the other hand, if there is no eternity (your first rule), then there must have been a moment before which nothing existed, which means that something must have arisen from nothing (violating your second rule). Your two rules are mutually contradictory, and therefore you can't validly draw any conclusions from assuming them both to be true.



>It would have to be greater than the universe and be a sufficient cause to it.



No, it would not actually have to be greater than the Universe in the sense of informational complexity (which is the most basic measure of size). It has been shown by experiments that apparently complex information can arise from simple information. In fact, a whole book has been written about this, you can read it here:

http://www.wolframscience.com/nksonline/page-1?firstview=1



>The Bible promotes this sufficient cause as God.



Have you ever heard of the phrase 'jumping to conclusions'? Because that's what you're doing here. You go on for a while about the basic idea that the Universe has a first cause, and then from there you go straight to the christian God without an ounce of logic inbetween. It's not like there aren't hundreds, even thousands of other gods from various religions around the world which could also fill this position of a 'first cause'. Why do you immediately jump to the christian God rather than any other? If you think the christian God is the only one that explains the way the Universe is and that no other gods can, then at LEAST post the trian of reasoning that leads you to that conclusion. Anything else just looks biased, which in turn makes you look a little hypocritical given your attempt to use solid logic right up until this point.



>All things that came into existence were caused to exist. You cannot have an infinite regression of causes (otherwise an infinity of time has been crossed which is impossible because an infinity cannot be crossed). Therefore, logically, there must be a single uncaused cause that did not come into existence.



But if it did not come into existence, then it must also have passed an infinite amount of time. Either there are infinite causes, in which case infinite time has passed, or there is a first cause which did not come from nothing, in which case infinite time has passed, or there is a first cause which has not been around infinitely long, in which case it came from nothing. These are the only three possibilities, and all of them violate at least one of the rules you stated.



>God is the single uncaused cause.



Again, that is just jumping to conclusions. You need a lot more reasoning in order to get from a first cause existing to the christian God existing without looking biased. Most specifically, you need a way to prove that the first cause is necessarily the christian God. You have not yet provided this.
Cosmodot
2008-01-15 11:37:46 UTC
I tend to believe that the universe is infinite. If nothing else, from a perspective irrelevant to scale. Like infinite smallness and possibly bigness as well. Although the Universe is stretching like a rubber band in all directions. This is evident through looking at the redshift effect from galaxies further and further away. The further they are, the faster they're moving away from us. This implies that there will be an eventual death of the entire Universe.



Will an apparently eternal Heaven withstand that?



Space time and the perception of time itself is merely an illusion of our subjective mortal experience in a Universe of which we can only physically perceive 4 dimensions.



Even if there is A GOD out there, what could possibly make you feel that you're even worshipping the right one? Is everyone else is wrong because your belief came with an instruction book that says so?



Hmmm.



Atheism offers clarity of thought from a wider perspective on reality. Peace of mind comes as an eventual response to true enlightenment. Why do you think Buddhism is so popular? They don't even believe in a God, much less Heaven and Hell. They focus exclusively on knowledge and wisdom, which is more than the "true" wisdom and knowledge that Christian makes claims to.
anonymous
2008-01-15 11:43:12 UTC
Your logic is faulted.



'It(the universe) could not be eternal since that would mean that an infinite amount of time had to be crossed to get to the present.'



Just because you are having issues with the concept of infinity or the creation of the universe does not prove the existance of any type of god. That is like calling an illness a demonic possession because you don't know what causes it, or saying your god is angry because the volcano erupts.



Saying 'goddidit' any time you are posed with something you don't understand only proves that you are unwilling to find the explanation on your own, or unwilling to accept that answers may not be found for thousands, maybe millions, of years.
anthonypaullloyd
2008-01-15 12:00:34 UTC
You might be, but it is by no means a proof.



One key problem is "logically there must be a SINGLE uncaused cause" (my emphasis). You have given no arguments for a SINGLE uncaused cause. "All things that came into existence were caused to exist". This is not correct by your own argument. AT LEAST one uncaused cause must exist, therefore it is false to say that all that there is is caused.



The other problem is the identification of either one of the uncaused causes, the totality of uncaused causes or the sole uncaused cause with 'God'. You can call it 'God' if you like, but then I could prove the existence of God by taking something that evidently existed, like my coffee, and calling it 'God'. To establish that you have found what we generally call God you woud have to go establish the existence of all the other attributes of God and establish their identity with the 'uncaused cause'.
Radical Platonist
2008-01-15 11:48:11 UTC
One may argue that some things just exist without any cause and they have no beginning and no end. For example, who brought the fact that 1+1=2 into existence? It is not like 10000 years ago 1+1 was not 2 and then suddenly it was. 1+1=2 is of course a completely abstract concept. But who says that our universe is not? For all we know our universe could be a completely abstract mathematical structure. We are substructures of it, complex enough to be self aware, and we perceive the universe as being "physical". All the things like space, energy and even time are just variables of some equation that not just describes but IS our universe.
anonymous
2008-01-15 11:42:29 UTC
It had a beginning. That would be the big bang. It is not eternal or infinite. Right now the universe is still expanding, eventually it will start to contract.

I don't know why or where all the initial energy came from. Best guess it that it was always there. You could come to a conclusion that energy is god, but that leaves you with a deist or a Spinoza god. That is nothing like the Christian idea of god.
F'sho
2008-01-15 12:18:05 UTC
This reminds of me setting up new computer accounts with applications and desktop settings. Everything put on that computer which can be seen by the users was put there by the administrator. They are only allowed to view what is made viewable by me.



The only way in which they will gain more legal capability to view what's going on under the hood is if their privileges are increased. If that happened there's no telling what could go wrong. Thus, they are given guidelines. I think perhaps similar rules are applied to us.



God says that no man can literally see Him. To see Him would mean death to us. Envision standing face to face with the sun. God is far more awesome than the sun. He created it and many more like it. Sight of Him would overwhelm a mere man. God is eternal and infinite. The Alpha and the Omega. He is the author of time and space. Everything perceived by us was made possible by Him, the way He allows us to perceive it. We therefore have limits. Live with it, people.



The universe was created. It is made of material substance and an immeasurable complexity of it. God is self existing. Existence can exist; can it not even without our perception of it? It's truly amazing how arrogant simple men can reject that which is well beyond their level of intelligence and risk facing eternal death in doing so. Lack of a theory for gravity didn't make men jump off ledges. Why should a lack of scientific knowledge keep them from seeking God?



The only way we can know God as of now is through His revelation of Himself to us in Scripture. But that's sadly not good enough for the selfish, hateful, and disobedient. Even if they were allowed a glimpse at the host of heaven what would be revealed to them? They would possibly be told to obey God. This is something they refuse to even consider doing already.



One day they will see what they've rejected. Whether that will be a joyful or terrible experience remains to be seen. But, I do know that there will no longer be any debate.
allure45connie
2008-01-15 11:56:50 UTC
Let me attack this from a different angle ! (Lots of good answers above !)

A female needs ( is genetically hardwired )to accept an answer as soon as possible . Example : two children get sick after playing near a black cat . Until it is totally proven false ( i.e. another explanation is given and proved .) she accepts that a black cat is evil or bad or such . She needs to be "better safe than sorry" for the protection of her offspring . It is easy to perform an experiment to show this . Have a man and a woman put an assortment of cans on some shelves . The woman will get them up there quickly but in less logical order , next to each other . Then she will rearrange them . The man will put them up there more slowly , leaving gaps where he thinks another can might fit in better ,and gets them in a logical sequence the first time . This is where support for theism comes from . A woman's ( Mother's) need to be certain . Atheism comes from a man's need to leave spaces and say I don't YET know what goes in there . Religion comes from men's need for creating competitive societies with rules and hierarchies . Everything from fraternities , to countries , to baseball teams , to religions . ( They were indoctrinated by the mothers to believe in a god ( theism) so they went out and formed organizations ( complete with rituals and secret hand shakes and rules , and such )based on that .



PS time may not be infinite but continuous . Trace a mobius strip for an explanation . Or draw an "infinite" line around the inside of a globe .
Weird Darryl
2008-01-15 11:41:35 UTC
The only thing we atheists can offer is the fact that we admit to not knowing everything. The best answer to the beginning of our universe that I've heard is that the "Big Bang" was the beginning. Before that? I don't know. Some have hypothesized that something happened in other universes that caused ours to begin, but I really don't know.



What I do know is that if there was a "God" who started this universe, then either it was not the "God" of the Bible or this "God" is a deceptive, evil being.

.
anonymous
2008-01-15 11:36:32 UTC
The 'Something' that brought the Universe into being isn't necessarily a person. An uncaused cause isn't necessarily an all-powerful being. It certainly doesn't have to be greater than the Universe itself.



The Bible offers God as an explanation, but it's a highly flawed explanation. Far better to admit that we don't know, and keep on progressing until we do.



The answer certainly doesn't lie in a Bronze Age deity.
anonymous
2008-01-15 11:38:06 UTC
a) At present, it appears the universe is finite.

b) Given infinite time, it is possible to cross infinite time. Therefor, there is nothing contradictory about an infinite past, just as there is nothing contradictory with the concept of an infinite future.

c) If time is not linear, then it is possible for the universe to have a finite past, and still no beginning.

d) Conservation of energy implies that nothing has ever been created.
NOJ
2008-01-15 11:39:25 UTC
Can we get a new argument other than:



God exists because nothing can exist infinitely except for God.



Any argument I am getting tired of this one and it doesn't even make sense. Even if something did create the universe could you prove to me that the creator now sits in a place called heaven and judges me eternally for actions I have done in what would comparably be no time at all.
NHBaritone
2008-01-15 11:37:03 UTC
150 years ago, we didn't know about bacteria. No clue. It wasn't understood until Louis Pasteur determined that germs caused disease.



You are asking the same questions that scientists ask. You have, however, asked this in the Religion & Spirituality section, where we are mostly humanities majors, not biologists or physicists. Would you come to R&S to find out what opus number was Mozart's 40th Symphony? I think not. You're asking us to play to our weakness. Quite frankly, you're being unfair.



So let me suggest two things:



1. If you are serious about wanting to know the current evidence-based understanding on the origins of the universe and on evolutionary theory, there are excellent descriptions found at http://www.talkorigins.org .



2. Consider that you are proposing (not so subtly) that anything that is not explained is a place for God to be discovered. This is commonly referred to in ontology as "the god of the gaps" theory. It typically assigns God to any blank space that science has not yet reached useful conclusions. Remember what I said about disease? Before bacteria were discovered, it was assumed God was punishing the ill, or that they were demon possessed, or some other supernatural phenomenon caused sickness. This is the same god of the gaps.



Science never assumes, and should never assume, anything is supernatural. The purpose of science is to discover through measured observation, testing, and repetition what natural causes lead to our natural world. If you impose a statement "God caused it," then this stops the search for knowledge, because God is ultimately unknowable. This is the reason that the "god of the gaps" theory is discounted among learned ontological academicians, and is ignored by science.
Hitmytotem
2008-01-15 11:38:25 UTC
You explain how the universe cannot exist all on its own, and forever, and how it must have a cause.... then you supply God as a cause, which has existed forever and doesn't have a cause!



Isn't your reasoning self-refuting? I mean, if the universe can't exist forever without cause, doesn't that mean your God can't exist forever without cause? At the very least it's a double standard... and without any good reason.



But to answer the question... no, you are not right.
anonymous
2008-01-15 12:26:28 UTC
The sad part of this, thier ideals on how it came to be are taught as fact. The say that the scientific method makes is fact, because you can test, predict, and anyone with the same stuff can do the test themself.

But no one will tell me how you test something like the big bang. It is not possble to compress water, there for if you can not compress a 50 gallon barrel of water into a 5 gallon bucket, how are you going to compress the oceans into a space the size of a dot on a sheet of paper?
Speak To The Hand.
2008-01-16 01:39:50 UTC
God is eternal if not, he is not God. If the universe is eternal, then we would not be alive today. So God must have created it. If it was created by another universe, what created the other universe? Only God can be eternal. So you are right.
smcwhtdtmc
2008-01-15 11:36:09 UTC
Some reasonable questions there. Unfortunately, your understanding of physics is so extremely limited that you make assumptions that are laughable.



The universe is not an object like any other, but you seem to think it is. Maybe you are just completely ignorant of all developments in physics in the last 150 years.



Time is a property of the universe. Asking whether the universe is eternal isn't even a meaningful question. You might as well ask if an invisible unicorn is pink. There's no such thing as 'before' the universe began, but that doesn't mean that the universe didn't come into existence.



It's just as illogical to ask what is beyond the edge of the universe. Space is a property of the universe, not something that the universe is sitting in.



There's currently no evidence that time is flowing. It's possible that the universe is just defined by a mathematical function that is continuous in the time direction.



Please try to read a book or two before you ask a question like this.
anonymous
2008-01-15 11:53:26 UTC
"Something cannot bring itself into existence."



Who created God again?



I appreciate your efforts; however, I've never understood The Big Bang as the creation of the universe from nothing. I do encourage you to try again once you have a better understanding of it.
wowersean
2008-01-15 11:42:15 UTC
Well you see, its very simple its not what atheism offer but what it doesn't offer. The average christian wastes 3-11 years of there life participating in church and other religious activities. we atheists chose not to wast our life. how can you come to a conclusion that it was god that triggered the start of the universe? wouldn't he, also not be in existence?
DarkGodessAmbrosia
2008-01-15 11:37:51 UTC
you bring up a good point but then where did god come from? you cant just BE. The universe has been said to be created by the big bang theory. But then again this sort of question has irked mankind for years.
Lee P
2008-01-15 11:48:20 UTC
The difference between science and religion is that science doesn't pretend to have the answers.



Can you not see how flawed your argument is?!?



You talk about infinite regress, but if 'God' made the universe, then who made God?!
heather b
2008-01-15 11:39:03 UTC
yes, God is the single uncaused cause.. in the Bible it says he has always been here. in genesis it talks about Him creating the heavens and the earth. i think that refers to the universe as well. God was always here. but the universe was not, so yes, something caused the universe to exist and that was God.
romababe2001
2008-01-15 11:37:19 UTC
The Science Channel says that we all got started as one living cell that was on our planet after a huge galaxy explosion. Guess it is all in what a person chooses to believe. Pretty much all of the theories sound far out to me.
numbnuts222
2008-01-15 11:38:45 UTC
time is relative from place to place, so it could be infinite or it could be circular or it could have begun and ended and begun again.



Atheism offers curiosity instead God. If something cannot bring itself into existence then nor could God, so your god is false.
STFU Dude
2008-01-15 11:36:20 UTC
No, with God you're still left with the infinite regression problem.



Problem: Unknown first-cause of universe.

Solution: God



Problem: Unknown first-cause of God.

Solution: Meta-God??



Having said that, if you want to call the beginning of the universe "God", I don't really have a problem with that. It's one thing to do that and it's quite another to say that you're in regular contact with the first-cause of the universe, however.
♥FreeThinker♥
2008-01-15 11:37:49 UTC
No, you are wrong. Atheism offers freedom of thought and not having to think about whether god did any of it. The universe it just what it is, its self created and beyond human comprehension.
anonymous
2008-01-15 11:41:19 UTC
I love that atheists get bitched at when we post questions asking why their god does the things that he does. And we get answers like "We cannot understand what our great leader has done for us, and we cannot understand what his plans are" You guys come up with a crap answer, and then ask us CRAZY questions like this. Just because I was not there when the universe was created does not mean that god was the one who created it.
anonymous
2008-01-15 11:40:10 UTC
the matter in the universe is eternal, we know this. matter can not be created or destroyed. this is an undisputed law of science (the first law of thermodynamics) that doesn't mean the universe was always in the same form it is in now.
anonymous
2008-01-15 11:45:46 UTC
I am believer sorry but saw some postings that time is constant, Time is constant in our realm and what happens at the speed of light? Time bends!(worm holes) So God being light as the Bible says is factual!
anonymous
2008-01-15 11:37:08 UTC
>> Something cannot bring itself into existence.



Proof, please.



>> All things that came into existence were caused to exist. You cannot have an infinite regression of causes



Proof, please.



>> there must be a single uncaused cause



Why only one?
grandparay00
2008-01-15 11:38:24 UTC
I dont know I pray there is a GOD however GOD did not write the Bible man did I would dought God spoke english I list me as no preference
Chippy v1.0.0.3b
2008-01-15 11:35:20 UTC
do you even understand what you said in the first paragraph?



my guess is no.



if god needs no creator, why does the universe?

if the universe needs a creator, why doesnt god?



edit: could you explain your reasoning: "But, you cannot cross an infinite amount of time (otherwise it wouldn’t be infinite)"



what are we crossing it with, and why not? how do you define time?
emmie8750
2008-01-15 11:41:14 UTC
Does this really matter? Seriously...everyone gets no where with this question. We all have our opinions...and that's it. Some aspects can be backed up, other can't. We are here now...let's just focus on that for a change.
anonymous
2008-01-15 11:36:27 UTC
Regarding the age of the universe, I don't know and neither do you. You're guessing. Your choice to ascribe the creation to God satisfies you, so run with it...just don't expect me to go along with it absent real proof. Argument from awe isn't it.
2
2008-01-15 11:36:05 UTC
Still arguing Platonic philosophy? This is 2008...
happy wife and mum
2008-01-15 11:39:48 UTC
We all know it was the big bang. It is not impossible, just beyond human comprehension so far.
robert2020
2008-01-15 11:36:05 UTC
you can't answer the 'first cause' or 'why' question with or without god.



for instance: who or what created God?

for instance: Why is there a God or anything at all?
David Carrington Jr.
2008-01-15 11:35:16 UTC
Atheism offers this: we don't know yet.



God is no answer, because his existence would violate the same physical laws.
anonymous
2008-01-15 11:35:21 UTC
i agree with you that you cant create something outta nothing, but how could god create the universe, if something had to create god
Ashley
2008-01-15 11:38:01 UTC
I totaly agree with Matthew!!!
lez k
2008-01-15 11:37:16 UTC
No. You obviously can't think for yourself, who told you all that mumbo gumbo?
anonymous
2008-01-15 11:40:39 UTC
I have no idea but saying "god did it" is lame
anonymous
2008-01-15 11:36:12 UTC
Your so-called argument is ultimately based on faith, not science.
anonymous
2008-01-15 11:35:47 UTC
your pretences are off..."time" is nothing but a conceptual phenomenon, it cannot be changed, and therefore is simply a benchmark from which we measure all else...



"Athiests" isn't a word BTW
anonymous
2008-01-15 11:39:50 UTC
who then is gods creator and his creators creator,etc?



a circle is eternal





before i carry on see prior answers that beat your faith in to oblivion,question answered me thinks!!

cor your little jesus creeper brain is going to hurt trying to absorb this,may i suggest coming back in a year or two when your brain cell has company or when you know what a tampon is?
javaKat
2008-01-15 11:35:19 UTC
DO NOT come on here pretending to ask a question so you can pretend to give us an answer.
scottish football ....nuff said
2008-01-15 11:36:58 UTC
to be an athiest......means youthink it all happened by chance......the big bang etc....well ive blown up lots of things in my time (legally)....and it dont create no babies or trees....
Gap™ ( uses the WikiBible™ )
2008-01-15 11:54:51 UTC
No.
Anonymous
2008-01-15 11:39:18 UTC
i agree with u 100%. if u realize this, athiests never realy answer ur question. they just try to make u feel stupid cuz they dont kno how to answer u. if u look up questions on athiests.. they all try to make ppl that ask them a question feel stupid just cuz they dont kno how to answer it.
hghostinme
2008-01-15 11:36:06 UTC
God is ALL there is

and HE and HE ALONE



goes beyond limits of Time and or space

HE HIMSELF is ETERNAL


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