Question:
If when we go to Heaven & we are spiritual beings & feel no pain?
1 of a great crowd
2008-07-26 09:54:15 UTC
Then would we not also be spirits in hell ?
Feeling no pain ?
How do you burn a spirit ?
Thirteen answers:
2008-07-26 18:54:18 UTC
You wont feel any pain in "hell" because you are unconscious and know nothing.

But in a paradise on earth, you will only feel good things.

And the ones who do go to heaven to rule with Jesus, they will not feel pain either.
Suzette R
2008-07-26 17:31:17 UTC
Hell is a mistranslation concerning the grave. Sheol and hades, and Gehenna is sometimes mistranslated as hell too, but it was a dump outside the walls of Jerusalem.



The Bible tells us the 'wages sin pays is death'. No mention of hell there. It also says "he who has died is acquitted from his sin". (Romans) Solomon was also clear on the subject of the dead....



Eccl. 9:5, 10: “The living are conscious that they will die; but as for the dead, they are conscious of nothing at all . . . All that your hand finds to do, do with your very power, for there is no work nor devising nor knowledge nor wisdom in Sheol,* the place to which you are going.” (If they are conscious of nothing, they obviously feel no pain.) (*“Sheol,” AS, RS, NE, JB; “the grave,” KJ, Kx; “hell,” Dy; “the world of the dead,” TEV.)



As for the parable of Lazarus and the Rich man....The Jerusalem Bible, in a footnote, acknowledges that it is a “parable in story form without reference to any historical personage.” If taken literally, it would mean that those enjoying divine favor could all fit at the bosom of one man, Abraham; that the water on one’s fingertip would not be evaporated by the fire of Hades; that a mere drop of water would bring relief to one suffering there. Does that sound reasonable to you? If it were literal, it would conflict with other parts of the Bible. If the Bible were thus contradictory, would a lover of truth use it as a basis for his faith? But the Bible does not contradict itself.



What does the parable mean? The “rich man” represented the Pharisees. (See verse 14.) The beggar Lazarus represented the common Jewish people who were despised by the Pharisees but who repented and became followers of Jesus. (See Luke 18:11; John 7:49; Matthew 21:31, 32.) Their deaths were also symbolic, representing a change in circumstances. Thus, the formerly despised ones came into a position of divine favor, and the formerly seemingly favored ones were rejected by God, while being tormented by the judgment messages delivered by the ones whom they had despised.—Acts 5:33; 7:54.



Hope that helps clear it up for some.
2008-07-26 17:19:08 UTC
When someone goes to heaven, they get a new body.. (spirtiual body.. )

It's an absolutely perfect body.

Heaven is a perfect place. Sadness, pain, crying, anger are not perfect. That is not the plan God had for people.

So in heaven, everything is perfect which means happiness, kindness, love..



In Hell, you don't get a perfect body. Because hell is for all the unperfect stuff that is not allowed in heaven

(that would be all the people that have not repented their sin and have sin in their hearts,and sin can not be in heaven)

Since hell is a place of punishment and its imperfect, there is pain and anger.



If you want perfection and happiness and spend eternity with your Father. Confess your sins. Open your heart and let God in. It's so simple.

Just pray this if you want

"Dear God, I know I'm a sinner. I'm sorry for all the sins I've done. Please forgive. Come into my heart and let me live for you. I love you"

And boom, youre a follower of God and you now have a personal invitation to heaven(if you meant it)..

Hope to see you there

:]
Bunge
2008-07-27 02:32:22 UTC
Heaven & Hell were both the inventions of MEN, and very soon all who are shackled to the lies and deception will become enlightened...Incidently there are members of the clergy who are trying to get all reference to Hell, Heaven & Satan struck from The Bible as they no longer serve the purpose they were created for...

In Light... )O(
KingHenry the II
2008-07-26 17:00:15 UTC
Philippians 3:20-21 says Jesus will change our "vile"bodies. What will our glorified bodies look like when we get to heaven? We have some clues by noting the characteristics that Jesus' body had when He rose from the grave. Our glorified bodies will appear different. We will therefore recognize each other by the spirit. What we really look like on the inside will be apparent to all. Jesus' body could go through walls (John 20:26).It felt like ours; Thomas touched it (Luke 24:39-40). On the road to Emmaus, the disciples didn't recognize His new body and He vanished in front of them (Luke 24:13-32). Jesus even ate with His disciples. In our glorified bodies, we don't have to eat for sustenance, but we will be able to eat for pleasure (Luke 24:39-43; Matthew 26:29). It will have no pain, no sickness, no aging, no restrictions (with the power of translation), and be able to appear in different forms.

All of this is just the tip of the iceberg, of what God has prepared for those He loves. Surely there is nothing in this life that can hold a candle to the surpassing greatness of living in Christ--living in the very One who is the source of all life! How foolish we are to let the cares of this life, the god of unbelief, and the temporary pleasures of sin keep us from knowing Him.
hamrrfan
2008-07-26 17:00:21 UTC
We would still be sentient beings and have feelings of joy, lose, pain, sadness. In this world amputees have phantom pain even though the limb is missing.
buttercup1232cer
2008-07-26 17:12:31 UTC
I don't believe in heaven or hell.....unless its here on earth. Both are totally ridiculous.
blessedrobert
2008-07-26 17:05:16 UTC
GOD is the creator of ALL BEINGS right?

SO if GOD said..whoever goes to HELL

will have PAINS

so in the scriptures of the gospel of luke or john?

said..a rich man gone to hell..and said to lazarus who was poor and the rich man didn't care for him.who was begging for food, clothing..shelter..health cares, ect.

but did not..and the rich man in hell look UP..and see ABRAHAM..now henever met abraham, so how does it KNOW? supernaturally you will remmeber the sins you've done or good you've done.

so the rich man said..abraham tell lazarus to dip his finger in water to quence the thirst of my tonguen.

abrahma said..there is a gulf between us and you..we can't crossover.

rich man basically said..why didn't anybody tell me..abraham said..we did.

then rich man said..TELL MY BROTHERS.

not to come here.

so..hell is far worst than life on earth.

and heaven is far better than life on earth.

there is pain in hell..that never rest.

there is love, peace, joy..that never rest.

JESUS is a gift. not a slave owner.

why are you afraid of JESUS?
the Finite Mind
2008-07-26 16:59:39 UTC
heaven and hell are here on earth. And believe me, I've felt them both
2008-07-26 16:59:01 UTC
Um, in Heaven you would transcend all mortal ills while in Hell you keep them, and thus suffer.



To Sheol with you.
gutbucket
2008-07-26 16:58:55 UTC
It doesn't make any sense to any but the delusional because it's nonsense.
2008-07-26 16:58:41 UTC
I'll let you know.
freebird76
2008-07-26 17:16:06 UTC
Hell is one of those subjects that makes people uncomfortable. We hear stories of hell being a place of fire, demons, and endless torment. Throughout history many authors have written about it, Dante's Inferno for example. Western culture is very familiar with the concept. Even Hollywood has made it the subject of many movies. Whatever the context, whatever the belief, hell is definitely taught in the Bible. But even the doctrine of hell is not without its controversy. Some say it is only the grave with no consciousness. Others say it is a place of correction and punishment that is not eternal. Others say it is an endless agonizing punishment in fire. Whichever it is, hell is the total absence of the favor of God.



The words associated with Hell



Gehenna

In the OT, the word for hell is 'ge-hinnom' meaning "Valley of Hinnom." It was a place to the southwest of Jerusalem. This place was once "called 'Topheth' and derived from an Aramaic word meaning 'fireplace.' It was here that some pagan kings practiced human sacrifice by fire (2 Chron. 28:3; 33:6; Jer. 7:31; 32:25)(1). This is probably why in the NT the word came to be associated with destruction by fire. The word 'gehenna' is found in the NT 12 times and every instance is spoken of by Jesus. In the NT, "gehenna" is used of a condition and never of a place.



Hades

This word only occurs in the NT, ten times, and corresponds to the OT word "sheol." Jesus uses the word four times: Matt. 11:23; 16:18; Luke 10:15; 16:23. The other six occur in Acts 2:27,31; Rev. 1:18; 6:8; 20:13,14.

It was probably the "subterranean abode of all the dead until the judgment. It was divided into two departments, paradise or Abraham's bosom for the good, and Gehenna or hell for the bad."(2) In particular, in the account of Lazarus and the Rich man of (Luke 16:19-31), it is the place of the conscious dead who are wicked.



Sheol

"The Hebrew word Sheol is probably derived from a root "to make hollow," and was seen as the common receptacle of the dead and in the great many places the word appears in the OT, it is referring to the grave.(3) It is a place and is mentioned in Gen. 37:35; Num. 16:30,33; Psalm 16:10, etc. Sheol has many meanings in scripture: the grave, the underworld, the state of the dead. It was supposed to be below the surface of the earth (Ezek. 31:15,17; Psalm 86:13).



Is Hell Eternal Conscious Torment?



There are some Christian groups and many cults that deny the idea that hell, in the general sense, means eternal, conscious punishment. Some maintain that God's eternal punishment is annihilation, or non-existence. Others say it is temporal and that eventually all will be saved out of hell. Perhaps the most common objection is that a loving God would never punish people in eternal torment. We agree that God is love (1 John 4:8), but He is also just (Neh. 9:32-33; 2 Thess. 1:6), and eternal (Psalm 90:2; 1 Tim. 1:17 ). God punishes the evil doer (Isaiah 11:13) and this punishment will be eternal. But the question remains. Is this eternal punishment conscious or not?

There are verses that can be interpreted to support the idea that the dead are not conscious after death: (Ecc. 9:5 - the dead know nothing(4) and Psalm 146:4 - their thoughts perish, are good examples.) Other verses compare the dead to sleep: Acts 13:36; 1 Cor. 15:1-6; 1 Thess. 4:13, etc. But these latter verses are merely comparing the similarity between the appearance of the dead and the appearance of someone sleeping.



The Dead are Conscious After Death



The wicked descend alive into Sheol

Num. 16:30, "But if the Lord brings about an entirely new thing and the ground opens its mouth and swallows them up with all that is theirs, and they descend alive into Sheol, then you will understand that these men have spurned the Lord . . . 33So they and all that belonged to them went down alive to Sheol; and the earth closed over them, and they perished from the midst of the assembly."



Cast to outer darkness with weeping and gnashing of teeth

Matt. 8:12, "but the sons of the kingdom shall be cast out into the outer darkness; in that place there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.”



Those cast into the fire suffer consciously

Matt. 13:41-42, "The Son of Man will send forth His angels, and they will gather out of His kingdom all stumbling blocks, and those who commit lawlessness, 42and will cast them into the furnace of fire; in that place there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.” See also Matt. 13:50.



Cast into a tormenting fire

Rev. 14:9-11, "And another angel, a third one, followed them, saying with a loud voice, "If anyone worships the beast and his image, and receives a mark on his forehead or upon his hand, 10he also will drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is mixed in full strength in the cup of His anger; and he will be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb. 11"And the smoke of their torment goes up forever and ever; and they have no rest day and night, those who worship the beast and his image, and whoever receives the mark of his name."” See also, Rev. 21:8.



Hell is a place of eternal fire and punishment



Unquenchable Fire

Matt. 3:12 "And His winnowing fork is in His hand, and He will thoroughly clear His threshing floor; and He will gather His wheat into the barn, but He will burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire."



Fiery Hell

Matt. 5:22, "whoever shall say, 'You fool,' shall be guilty enough to go into the fiery hell." See also, Matt. 5:29,30.



Fiery Hell

Matt. 18:8-9, "And if your hand or your foot causes you to stumble, cut it off and throw it from you; it is better for you to enter life crippled or lame, than having two hands or two feet, to be cast into the eternal fire. 9"And if your eye causes you to stumble, pluck it out, and throw it from you. It is better for you to enter life with one eye, than having two eyes, to be cast into the fiery hell."



Eternal Fire

Matt. 25:41, "Then He will also say to those on His left, 'Depart from Me, accursed ones, into the eternal fire which has been prepared for the devil and his angels.



Eternal Punishment

Matt. 25:46, "And these will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life."

The word 'eternal' in both places is "aionios" which means 1)without beginning and end, that which always has been and always will be; 2)without beginning; 3)without end, never to cease, everlasting. The word 'punishment' is the word kolasis and it means "to punish, with the implication of resulting severe suffering - 'to punish, punishment.'"(5)



Eternal Fire

Jude 7, "Just as Sodom and Gomorrah and the cities around them, since they in the same way as these indulged in gross immorality and went after strange flesh, are exhibited as an example, in undergoing the punishment of eternal fire."



Lake of Fire

Rev. 20:15, "And if anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire."



Luke 16:19-31, Lazarus and the Rich Man



In Luke 16:19-31 is the story of Lazarus and the rich man. Basically, Lazarus is a poor man who suffers during life. The rich man is, of course, rich. They both die. The rich man goes to Hades. Lazarus goes to Abraham's bosom, another term for paradise. In Hades, the rich man lifts up his eyes and sees Lazarus far off. He cries out to Abraham and asks for mercy because he is in agony in flame. Abraham says no. Then the rich man asks if someone from the dead were to rise and go tell his brothers not to come to this terrible place. Abraham teaches him that that will not be done either.

Some say that this is a parable. However, if it is, it is unique because no other parable actually names a person. It isn't a story. It is history. It really happened. But many who believe in no consciousness after death will say it is still a parable. The question then is, if it is? What is it teaching? If hell fire is false and if self-awareness after death is also false, then Jesus is using false doctrines to teach a truth. Parables illustrate truth. If it is a parable what does the consciousness after death symbolize? Also, what does the agony in flame symbolize? Are they not real? Of course they are.





Conclusion



Hell is a real place. It is not mere unconsciousness. It is not temporal. It is eternal torment. Perhaps that is why Jesus spoke more of hell than heaven and spent so much time warning people not to go there. After all, if people just stopped existing, why warn them? If it was temporal, they'd get out in a while. But if it were eternal and conscious, then the warning is strong.





Jesus said, "And if your right eye makes you stumble, tear it out, and throw it from you; for it is better for you that one of the parts of your body perish, than for your whole body to be thrown into hell. 30"And if your right hand makes you stumble, cut it off, and throw it from you; for it is better for you that one of the parts of your body perish, than for your whole body to go into hell," (Matt. 5:29-30).





Hope this helped God Bless


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