Question:
do u believe that all of us r the direct descendants of Adam and Eve, and, OMG , we r marrying each other?
dick
2006-06-29 03:34:16 UTC
and OMG , we r having sex with each other also, isnt this incest ?

Genesis The Beginning The Garden of Eden
Eight answers:
Johanna
2006-06-29 03:37:44 UTC
No, I don't believe in Adam and Eve because if it were true, how would different races come about?

And yeah, it would be incest.. lol
2006-06-29 10:45:38 UTC
Adam and Eve are the founders of the Jewish Nation not the ancestors of all humans.

sorry but no incest.
Ally
2006-06-29 10:41:38 UTC
I don't really think there existed Adam and Eve...but if they werethan yes...we would have commited an incest... :P
2006-06-29 12:25:47 UTC
Whether you believe in evolution or the bible, we all have a common point of origin, right?



Even the most reputable scientist will say that all humans today had to of originated from the same pair.
2006-06-29 10:37:03 UTC
the Anunakis produced many more than Adam and the lady of the Rib.
arynne
2006-06-29 10:40:42 UTC
i love your sources.



ps

yes.

gross.
Kalley
2006-06-29 10:37:38 UTC
sure...why not...
debisioux
2006-06-29 14:27:25 UTC
WRONG.



"Ding - dong!" goes the doorbell. Is it Avon calling? Or perhaps Ed McMahon with

my three million dollars? No, it's Yahweh's Witlesses again, just wanting to have a

nice little chat about the Bible.......

Boy, did they ever come to the wrong house! So we invite them in: "Enter freely and

of your own will..." (Hey, it's Sunday morning, nothing much going on, why not have

a little entertainment?) Diane and I amuse ourselves watching their expressions as

they check out the living room: great horned owl on the back of my chair; ceremonial

masks and medicine skulls of dragons and unicorns on the wall; crystals, wands,

staffs, swords; lots of Goddess figures and several altars; boa constrictors draped in

amorous embrace over the elkhorn; white doves sitting in the hanging planters; cats

and weasels underfoot; iron dragon snorting steam atop the wood stove; posters and

paintings of wizards and beasties and lots more dinosaurs; warp six on the star-filled

viewscreen of my computer; a five foot model of the USS Enterprise and the skeleton

of a plesiosaur hanging from the ceiling; very, very many books, most of them dealing

with obviously weird subjects.... To say nothing of the great horned owl perched on

the back of my chair and the unicorn grazing in the front yard. You know; early

Addams family decor. And then, of course, it being late in the morning, you can

expect Morning Glory to come wandering out naked, looking for her wake-up cup of

tea. Morning Glory naked is a truly impressive sight, and the Witlesses look as if she'd

set ******* on stun as they stand immobilized, hands clasped over their genitals.

With the stage set and all the actors in place, the show is ready to begin.

Their mission, of course, is to save our heathen souls by turning us on to "The Word

of the Lord"- their Bible. I guess they figger some of us just haven't heard about it yet,

and we're all eagerly awaiting their joyous tidings of personal salvation through giving

our rational faculties to Jesus.

Everytime they come around, I look forward to trying out a new riposte.

Sure, it may be cruel and sadistic of me, but hey, I didn't call them up and ask them to

come over; they entered at their own risk! This time should be pretty good. After

letting them run off their basic rap while lovely Morning Glory serves us all hot herb

tea, I innocently remark: "But none of that applies to us. We have no need for

salvation because we don't have original sin. We are the Other People."

"Hunh?" they reply eloquently. It's clear they've never heard this one before.

"Right," I say. "It's all in your Bible." And I proceed to tell them the story, using their

own book for reference: (Genesis 1:26) The (Elohim) said, "Let us make humanity in

our own image, in the likeness of ourselves, and let them be masters of the fish of the

sea, the birds of heaven, the cattle, all the wild beasts and all the reptiles that crawl

upon the earth." Elohim is a plural word, including male and female, and should

properly be translated "Gods" or "Pantheon." (1:27) The Gods created humanity in the

image of themselves, In the image of the Gods they created them, Male and Female

they created them. (1:28) The Gods blessed them, saying to them, "Be fruitful,

multiply, fill the earth and conquer it. Be masters of the fish of the sea, the birds of

heaven and all living animals on the earth."

Now clearly, here we are talking about the original creation of the human species:

male and femal. All the animals, plants, etc. have all been created in previous verses.

This is before the Garden of Eden, and Yahweh is not mentioned as the creator of

these people.





The next chapter talks aobut how Yahweh, an individual member of the Pantheon,

goes about assembling his own special little botanical and zoological Garden in Eden,

and making his own little man to inhabit it: (Gen 2:7) Yahweh God fashioned a man

of dust from the soil. Then he breathed into his nostrils a breath of life, and thus the

man became a living being. (2:8) Yahweh God planted a garden in Eden which is in

the east, and there he put the man he had fashioned. (2:9) Yahweh God caused to

spring up fromt he soil every kind of tree, enticing to look at and good to eat, with the

tree of life and the tree of knowledge of good and evil in the middle of the garden.

(2:15) Yahweh God took the man and settled him in the garden of Eden to cultivate

and take care of it. Now this next is crucial: note Yahweh's precise words: (2:16) Then

Yahweh God gave the man this admonition, "You may eat indeed of all the trees in

the garden. (2:17) Nevertheless of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you are

not to eat, for on the day you eat of it you shall most surely die." Fateful words, those.

We will refer back to this admonition later



Then Yahweh decided to make a woman to go with the man. Now, don't forget that

the Pantheons had earlier created a whole population of people, "male and female, "

who are presumably doing just fine somewhere "outside the gates of Eden."but this

set-up in Eden is Yahweh's own little experiment, and will unfold to its own separate

destiny. (2:21) so Yahweh God made the man fall into a deep sleep. And while he

slept, he took one of his ribs and enclosed it in flesh. (2:22) Yahweh God built the rib

he had taken from the man into a woman, and brought her to the man. Right. Man

gives birth to woman. Sure he does. But that's the way the story is told here. (2:25)

Now both of them were naked, the man and his wife, but they felt no shame in front

of each other. well, of course not! Why should they? But take careful not of those

words, as they also will prove significant.....



Now this next part is where it starts to get interesting. Enter the Serpent: (Gen. 3:1)

The serpent was the most subtle of all the wild beasts that Yahweh God had made. It

asked the woman, "Did God really say you were not to eat from any of the trees in the

garden?" (3:2) The woman ansered the serpent "We may eat the fruit of the tree in

the garden. (3:3) "But of the fruit of the tree int he middle of the garden God said,

'You must not eat it, nor touch it, under pain of death." (3:4) Then the serpent said tot

he woman, "No! You will not die! (3:5) "God knows in fact that on the day you eat it

your eyes will be opened and you will be like gods, knowing good and evil." What a

remarkable statement! " Your eyes will be opened and you will be like gods, knowing

good and evil." The Serpent directly contradicts Yahweh. Obviously, one of them has

to be lying. Which one, do you suppose? And, if the serpent speaks true, wouldn't you

wish to eat of the magic fruit? Wouldn't it be a good thing, to become "like gods,

knowing good and evil"? Or is it preferable to remain in ignorance?



(Gen. 3:6) The woman saw that the tree was good to eat and pleasing to the eye, and

that it ws desirable for the knowledge that it could give. So she took some of its fruit

and ate it. She gave some also to her husband who was with her, and he ate it. (3:7)

The the eyes of both of them were opened and they realized that they were naked. So

they sewed fig leaves together to make themselves loincloths. The author maked an

interesting assumption here: that if you realize you are naked you will atomatically

want to cover yourself. Further implications will unfold shortly...........



(Gen 3:8) The man and his wife heard the sound of Yahweh God

walking in the garden in the cool of the day, and they hid from Yahweh God among

the trees of the garden (3:9) But Yahweh God called to the man. "Where are you?" he

asked. (3:10) " I heard the sound of you in the garden,"he replied. " I was afraid

beacuse I was naked, so I hid." (3:11)"Who told you that you were naked?" he asked.

"Have you been eating of the tree I forbade you to eat?"



And so the sign of the Fall becomes modesty. Take note of this. The descendants of

Adam and Eve will be distinguished throughout history from virtually all other

peoples by their obsessive modesty taboos, wherein they will feel ashamed of being

naked. It follows that those who feel no shame in being naked are, by definition, not

carriers of this spiritual disease of original sin!!!!



(Gen. 3:12) The man replied, "It was the woman you put with me: she gave me the

fruit, and I ate it." Right. Blame the woman. What a turkey! (3:13) Then Yahweh God

asked the woman, "What is this you have done?" The woman replied, " The serpent

tempted me and I ate." So of course she blames the serpent. But just what did the

serpent do that was so evil? Why, he called Yahweh a liar! Was he wrong? Let's

see......(3:21) Yahweh God made clothes out of skins for the man and his wife, and

they put them on. Out of skins?? This means that Yahweh had to kill some innocent

animals to pander to Adam and Eve's new obsession with modesty!



And now we come to the crux of the Fall. Yahweh had said back there in chapter

(2:17), regarding the fruit of the tree of knowledge, that "on the day you eat of it you

shall most surely die." The Serpent, on the other hand, had contradicted Yahweh in

chapter (3:4-5): "No! you will not die! God knows in fact that on the day you eat it

your eyes will be opened and you will be like gods, knowing good and evil." So what

actually happened? Who lied and who told the truth about this remarkable fruit? The

answer is given in the next verse: (3:22) Then Yahweh God said, "See, the man has

become like one of us, with his knowledge of good and eveil. He must not be allowed

to stretch his hand out next and pick from the tree of life also, and eat some and live

forever."



Get that? yahweh himself admits that he lied"! In fact, and in Yahweh's own words,

the Serpent spoke the absolute truth! And moreover, Yahweh tells the rest of the

Pantheon that he intends to evict Adam(and presumably Eve as well) to keep them

from gaining immortality to go with their newly-aquired divine knowledge. To

prevent them, in other words, from truly becoming gods! So who, in this story , comes

of as a benefactor of humanity, and who comes off as a tyrant? THE SERPENT

NEVER LIED!!.



This story, to digress slightly, bears a remarkable resemblance to a contemporary tale

from ancient Greece. In that version, the Serpent (later identified as Lucifer, the

Light-Bearer) may be equated with the heroic titan Prometheus, who championed

humanity against the tyranny of Zeus, who wished for the people to be mere slaves of

the gods. Prometheus, whose name means"forethought" gave people wisdon,

intelligence, and fire stolen from Olympus. Moreover, he ordained the portions of

animal sacrifice so that humans got the best parts (the meat and hides) while the

portion that was burned tot he gods was the bones and fat. In punishment for this

defiance of his divine authority, Zeus condemned Prometheus to a terrible

punishment for an immortal: to be chained to a mountain in the Caucasus, where

Zeus' gryphon/eagle (actually a Lammergier) would devour his liver each day. It

would grow back each night. Zeus promised to relent if Prometheus would reveal his

great secret knowledge: Who would succeed Zeus as supreme God?

Prometheus refused to tell, but history has revealed the answer...... The interesting

thing about all this is that the Greeks properly regareded Prometheus as a noble hero

in his defiance of unjust tyranny. One may wonder why the Serpent is not so well

regarded. On the contrary, snakes are loathed throughout Chritiandom. (3:23) So

Yahweh God expelled him from the garden of Eden, to till the soil from which he had

been taken. (3:24) He banished the man, and in front of the garden of Eden he posted

the cherubs, and the flame of a flashing sword, to guard the way to the tree of life.

So that's it for the Fall. But the story of Adam and Eve doesn't end there.

(Gen4:1) The man had intercourse with his wife Eve, and she conceived and gave

birth to Cain....(4:2)She gave birth to a second child, Abel, the brother of Cain. Now

Abel became a shepherd and kept flocks, while Cain tilled the soil. (4:3) Time passed

and Cain brought some of the produce of the soil as an offering for Yahweh, (4:4)

while Abel, for his part, brought the first-born of his flock and some of their fat as

well. Yahweh looked with favor on Abel and his offering. But he did not look with

favor on Cain and his offering, and Cain was very angry and downcast. Well, why

shouldn't he be? Both brothers had brought forth their first fruits as offerings, but

Yahweh rejected the vegetables and only accepted the blood sacrifice. This was to set

a fruesome precedent: (4:8) Cain said to his brother Abel, "Let us go out:" and while

they were in open country, Cain set on his brother Abel and killed him.

Accursed and marked for fratricide, (4:16) Cain left the presence of Yahweh and

settled in the land of Nod, east of Eden. We can assume that the phrase "left the

presence of Yahweh" implies that Yahweh is a local deity, nad not omnipresent. Now

Eden, according to (Gen. 2:14-15), was situated at the source of the Tigris and

Eupharates rivers, apparently right where Lake Van is now, in Turkey. "East of Eden,"

therefore, would probably be along the shores of the Caspian Sea, right in the

Indo-European heartland. Cain settled in there, among the people of Nod, and

married one of the women of that country. Here, for the first time, is specifically

mentioned the "other people" who are not of the lineage of Adam and Eve. ie: the

Pagans. So let's look at this story from another veiwpoint: There we were, around six

thousand years ago, living in our little farming communities around the Caspian Sea,

in the land of NOd, when this dude with at terrible scar comes stumbling in out of the

sunset. He tells us this bizarre stroy, about how his mother and father had been

created by some god named Jahweh, and put in charge of a beautiful garden

somewhere out west, and how they had gotten thrown out for disobedience after

eating some of the landlord's forbidden magic fruit of enlightenment. He tells us of

murdering his brother, as the god of his parents would only accept blood sacrifice,

and of receiving that scar as a mark so that all would know ham as a fratricide.

The poor guy is really a mess psychologically, obsessed with guilt. He is also

obsessively modest, insisting on wearing clothes even in the hottest summer, and he

has a hard time with our penchant for skinny-dipping in the warm inland sea. He

seems to believe that he is tainted by "sin" of his parent's disobedience; that it is in

his blood, somehow, and will continue to contaminate his children and his children's

children.

One of our healing women takes pity on the poor sucker, and marries him....

(4:17) Cain had intercourse with his wife, and she conceived and gave birth to Enoch.

He became the builder of a town, and he gave the town the name of his son Enoch.

With both of their first sons not turning out very well, Adam and Eve decided to try

again: (4:25) Adam had intercourse with his wife, and she gave birth to a son whom

she named Seth....(4:26) A son was also born to Seth, and he named him Enosh. This

man was the first to invoke the name of Yahweh. Now it doesn't mention here where

Seth's wife came from. Another woman from Nod, possibly, or maybe someone from

another neolithic community downstream in the Tigris-Euphrates valley. But her folks

also, cannot be of the lineage of Adam and Eve, and must also be counted among "the

other people".

But whatever happened to Adam? After all, way back there in chapter Gen.2:17,

warning Adam about the magic fruit of knowledge, Jahweh had told him that"on the

day you eat of it you shall most surely die." So, when did Adam die? (Gen.5:4) Adam

lived for eight hundred years after the birth of Seth and he became the father of sons

and daughters. (5:5) In all, Adam lived for nine hundred and thirty years: then he died.

Hey, that's pretty good! Nine hundred and some odd years isn't bad for a man who's

been told he's gonna die the next day!

Well, the story goes on, and maybe next time the Witlesses come to visit I'll tell more

of it. But suffice it to say that those of us who are not of Semitic descent (ie. not of

the lineage of Adam and Eve) cannot share in the Original Sin that comes with that

lineage. Being that the Bible is the stoyr of that lineage, of Adam and Eve's

descendants and their special relationship with their particular God, Yahweh, it

follows that this is not the story of the rest of us. We may have been Cain's wife's

people, or Seth's wife's people, or some other people over the hill and far away, but

whichever people the rest of us are, as far as the Bible is concerned, we are the Other

People, and so we are continually referred to throughtout.

Later books of the Bible are filled with admonitions to the followers of Jahweh to

"learn not the ways of the Pagans...." (Jer 10:2) with detailed descriptions of exactly

what it is we do, such as erect standing stones and sacred poles, worship in sacred

groves and practice divination and magic. And worhsip the sun, moon stars and the

"Queen of Heaven." You must not behave as they do in Eygpt where once you lived:

you must not behave as they do in Canaan where I am taking you. You must not

follow their laws." (lev 18:3) For Yahweh, as he so clearly emphasises, is not the god

of the Pagans. We have our own lineage and our own heritage, and our tale is not told

in the Bible. We were not made like clay figurines by male deity out of the "dust from

the soil" We were born of our Mother the Earth, and have evolved over aeons in her

nurturing embrace, All of us, in our many and diverse tribes, have creation myths and

legends of our origins and history: some of these tales may even be actually true.

Like the descendants of Adam and Eve, many of us also have stories of great floods,

earthquakes, volcanic eruptions and other cataclysms that wiped out whole

communities of our people, wherein "I alone survived to tell the tale" Nearly all of

our ancestral tribes (and especially those of us who today are reclaiming our own

Pagan heritage) lack that peculiar obsessive body modesty that seems to be a hallmark

of the original sin alluded to in the story of the fall. We can be naked and unashamed!

Why, our Goddess even tells us, "as a sign that you are truly free, you shall be naked

in your rites." Not being born into sin, we have no need of salvation, and no need of a

Messiah to redeem our sinful souls.

Neither heaven nor hell is our destination in the afterlife; we have our own various

arrangements withour own various deities. The Bible is not our story; we have our

own stories to tell, and they are many and diverse. In a long life, you may get to hear

many of them.... May you live long and prosper.!!!



by Oberon (Otter) Zell


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