Question:
What kind of evidence do evangelicals require to prove to them that evolution is a fact?
KingOfNES
2016-01-11 12:18:28 UTC
What kind of evidence do evangelicals require to prove to them that evolution is a fact?
115 answers:
Smartassawhip
2016-01-11 17:33:25 UTC
Please see my comments under Uncle Remus reply to Batgirl. I didn't have room to tell Uncle Remus that Albert Einstein's relativity theory was proved true in the 1970's including the fact there is no such thing as gravity that has the definition that Sir Isaac Newton gave it. Anyway, to answer your question, I am not an Evangelical but a Roman Catholic. I answer the question in spite of that because the hypothesis of Evolution is scientifically impossible no matter what a person's religious beliefs are. The kind of evidence I would need to prove to me that evolution was a fact would be to see Some 1/2 creatures either as skeletons in the ground or alive and running around here on Earth. If evolution was a fact then there should be countless numbers of them all over the place. But the fact is that there are none! Not 1, but none. I'm sorry, but evolution didn't happen. There is not only no scientific evidence that any evolution ever happened, there is a lot of scientific evidence that it didn't happen and scientifically couldn't have happened.
Romans
2016-01-11 16:01:44 UTC
Hmm. What kind of evidence do evangelicals require to prove to them that evolution is a fact?



Well for starters how about a SHRED of evidence? Let's just start there. Can you, or anyone, produce even a shred of evidence to support the wild theory that an animal ever evolved into a different species entirely, or that man evolved from a lower species of animal? I mean. a link or reference would be nice when you make these kinds of outrageous claims and call them facts.
?
2016-01-11 14:03:04 UTC
In order for there to be the sort of limitations on evolution which creationists propose, there must be some mechanism in the DNA which prevents the DNA from evolving beyond a certain point. Without such a braking mechanism, nothing would prevent, over a billion years, something like a sea cucumber from evolving into something like a wombat, if the changing environment or opportunities made adaptations more survivable from some cohort of the population. So, to prove evolution is a fact, one must simply demonstrate that nowhere in the DNA is there a braking mechanism which allows evolution only up to a certain point, but no further.



Though, it must be pointed out, nowhere in the Bible is it claimed that there is any limitation on the evolutionary capacity of any living thing, nor even that lower life forms could not eventually evolve intelligence. It may simply be that the God of the Bible is not powerful enough to have set forth our exact Universe (and life on Earth) through self-perpetuating processes of physics and evolution. But the Creator envisioned in the theological theory of Pandeism has no such weakness, and so does create evolutionarily, surpassing and superseding all theistic deities in being able to do so. Blessings!!
choko_canyon
2016-01-11 15:26:26 UTC
I think at this point we can safely say that there is NO amount or type of evidence that will convince them. If they understood that evolution is a factual description of how life forms over time, that would mean that god didn't create mankind in it's current form. They WILL NOT contemplate that as a real possibility. They just won't. It's a faith destroyer for them, and would probably lead to complete despair. I'm not even sure I would want that to happen, despite my disdain for the evangelical belief system.
777
2016-01-11 16:32:55 UTC
I'm a Christian (although not an evangelical) and believe evolution is a fact. God had and continues to have a hand in the evolution of the species. I will live my life according to my beliefs~why atheists (supposedly humanists) continue to mock Christians continually over creationism and evolution is astounding. They do know that Islam and Judaism follow similar teachings---as well native american spirituality. Unless atheists troll the other religions / spiritualities with as much zeal and provide sound argument for their stance, they will never be taken seriously.
chad
2016-01-11 14:33:34 UTC
Some believe in evolution to a point. Evolution is a theory that is widely accepted by most people, however not all of the theory has been proven. That is why it's still a theory and not a fact. The part unproven is known as the missing link. The link that proves with factual evidence that man evolved from ape doe's not exist, there is required chromosomes within DNA needed that have not ever been found. Therefor your question is incorrect if you are referring to the evolution of man from ape because that is theory not proven fact. As far as everything else goes, plants and animals are believed to have evolved from early forms of plants and animals. Man has evolved from early forms of man and we all are still evolving. Just not from apes, with the advancements in DNA research if it is out there maybe it will be found one day. However that day hasn't come yet and It looks like it isn't probable to even exist. These are the facts, evolution of man from ape is still a theory. A theory is without factual evidence, it is not a fact as you implied in your question. ( Believe it or not this is an unbiased answer, I am just stating the facts.)
Rex
2016-01-13 18:49:53 UTC
I'm not evangelical but to say macro evolution is a fact is a complete lie its is thought of in the science community as a more probable theory than creationism but we do not know for sure I'm personally roman catholic and an old earth creationist but I don't dismiss the theory of evolution like some of the protestants do I awkowledge it is possible just not were I side on the matter but to say it is a fact is a lie
Dale E
2016-01-12 01:27:21 UTC
Simply put, the Bible offers a more believable explanation for the existence of the universe and the life in it The accounts of creation and the flood declare it quite clearly . Genesis chapters 1 and 2 tells where it came from, and Genesis 5 thru 8 explains our current conditions.

Chapter 7, if honestly considered, explains tectonic plate mechanics, species diversity, and the dramatic drop in life spans in less than 4 generations.Note the differences between chapter 5 and chapter 11, Chapters 10 and 11 explain the reasons for the the existence of the three races and the multitude of languages.

People reject the Bible, because if they accept the Bible as true, then they must be accountable to their Creator. In the Garden of Eden, God commanded Adam and Eve " not to eat of the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil". This means that we cannot decide for ourselves what is right and wrong, but to submit to the creator's direction. It's kind of like using the owners manual to get the most out of your computer programs, rather than just start typing and see what happens. Makes sense, doesn't it?

I beg you to give this a few days of thought. Your eternal destiny depends on your decision now.

Eternity, by the way, means that "in 10,000 years, you have no less days than you had at the start". Forever is a long time to be miserable.
Space Wasp
2016-01-11 19:27:56 UTC
Typically there is nothing that religious deniers of evolution would accept as evidence, they have already firmly made up their minds (based on their preferred interpretation of stories in their chosen religious texts).



The vast majority don t understand what the science says anyway. This is abundantly obvious when you look at some of the things that they claim might convince them. Almost without exception they will state things that evolutionary theory clearly states would not happen as the evidence that they need to see in order to accept it.

The remainder (who might have a glimmer of understanding of the topic) expect to see evidence trails so complete, in every minor detail, that there is no way that it could possibly ever be produced. This demonstrates a complete failure to understand the requirements, and expectations, of science, and is in direct contrast to the evidential requirements that they have for their own beliefs, which comedown to: "it says so in this ancient book, therefore I believe it" (no actual evidence required).
nanashiwolf
2016-01-13 08:31:02 UTC
I find it interesting that Evangelicals need proof of anything when the basis of their faith is to believe WITHOUT proof.



Speaking as a Catholic, I ve always held that if we are able to use faith in one aspect we must apply it to others as well. And I have faith that my creator is a little more than a glorified genie bobbing his head and *poof* life. I think God has more imagination and skill than that.



As for proof, there is no way for them to have proof because evolution takes billions of years and none of them would be around that long. It s a catch-22 argument (if that applies correctly), like the chicken or the egg argument. Which came first, which happens? You can never really know.



That being said, there are observable aspects of evolution that exist today. For one, our best friends, dogs, are a prime example of man-made evolution. I mean for crying out loud, look at the Pekingese and look at the Pariah Dog (google if you must). Both of these dogs came from a common ancestor. The Pariah dog is ancient, the longest known member of the dog family in existence. The Peke is not obviously. Yet despite how different they look and the different functions and health risks they have both came from the same species. How a creature ends up looking has no baring on where it came from or how it started out. The Peke was designed to fit a purpose different from their wild ancestors, thus they became smaller, and smaller, and smaller, their noses grew shorter and shorter and shorter, their hair became long, and now they only come in a few colors. This is pretty text book evolution.



Another example of evolution is that there has been recent evidence of primates in the wild as well as other animals using tools when they did not previously. Crows have even been observed fashioning sticks into hooks to pull grubs from trees. While this is not a physical evolution per say, this is a mental evolution, which means that something is changing or has changed in the minds of these animals that lead to their advancement.



I ve personally always felt that to disbelieve evolution is a way of short-handing God. If he has no limits, why are you putting one on him by saying he couldn t initiate evolution?
shane
2016-01-13 21:52:57 UTC
I'm not evangelical but to say macro evolution is a fact is a complete lie its is thought of in the science community as a more probable theory than creationism but we do not know for sure I'm personally roman catholic and an old earth creationist but I don't dismiss the theory of evolution like some of the protestants do I awkowledge it is possible just not were I side on the matter but to say it is a fact is a lie
anglicanformary
2016-01-11 14:56:15 UTC
The short answer is, I'm not sure that any evidence would be sufficient for Evangelicals to accept as proof, because Evangelicals approach the question of evolution vs creation not primarily from the experimental, observational, doubt-driven methodological naturalism characteristic of modern science, but from the authoritative certainty of revealed faith about the nature of God and the natural (created) order, and possibly philosophical reasoning (including a philosophy of nature and a philosophy of science) that informs how they view the existence, origin, and nature of the Universe.





The issue is not what evidence counts as proof, but rather what counts as evidence (and proof), and all too often, I think that Evangelical (and other "Fundamentalist") Christians and scientists are not using "evidence" or "proof" in the same way. Even more disruptive of fruitful argument, I think is that neither "side" trusts the others approach to the question. Evangelicals simply don't look for reasons to accept evolution as a physical fact conforming to the known laws of nature because in their view, evolutionary theory as an explanation for our existence overthrows the certainty of what God has revealed about Himself and His purposes in creation; scientists don't look for reasons to accept a super-natural level of existence because in their view such an explanation closes the book on further investigation and relies on outside authority and certainty and not reasoned experimental observation and doubt.
vulcan_alex
2016-01-12 17:48:16 UTC
There is no evidence that would be sufficient to "prove" evolution is a "fact". Not for me and I am not an evangelical. Now I do believe that it is quite likely, but prove and fact are very severe tests to me.
Shidoni
2016-01-14 14:44:11 UTC
You can't PROVE evolution is a FACT. It's a theory. Creationism is also a theory as well, but for some reason dumbasses like you think evolution is somehow a scientific fact and creationism is dumb, when the evidence points to the contrary.
Jake No Chat
2016-01-12 17:39:53 UTC
A direct message from God, in triplicate, signed and notarized.

Let's face it, evolution is real, it does explain some things, not everything. There are some things that are not yet understood, and theories of how evolution might have had some impact are just that theories, but at least that is just one place to start when looking at things in a scientific and critical manner.
yamnnjr
2016-01-12 18:05:52 UTC
When they see it for themselves proven beyond the theoretical like the already established fact of adaptation, which is proven beyond the theoretical.



In short, they have to see it to believe it.





It's today's biased-towards-Atheism scientists that have decided to lump theoretical evolution, that has been around since the 1800's, in with factual evolution and call it all the same thing and speak as though it is all just as factually proven as the actual proven parts, such as adaptation.



Back when the majority of scientists were Christian, there was no such bias either for or against Atheism in the pursuit of scientific understanding. Now that Atheism has taken such a strong hold, there is . . . proving once again, by their actions, the supernatural power that blinds those who do not fear God.



You see, it may be natural to hold a level of bias, as we are human, but to actively try and weed out those who disagree with you . . . that's not naturally something people do unless there is a blind, religion-level compulsion to do so. And where does that compulsion come from if it is not naturally occurring? Therein is how Atheists tend to prove God's reality, by their blind religious compulsion to reject it at any cost for any reason, always, and bull-headedly never giving up their anti-Christ pursuit.



And bear in mind the further proof. These don't tend to be stupid people quick to obey their mindless emotion-based compulsions, yet they do regarding anything Christ or Christian, regarding any one or few among their number who has the audacity to publicly support the existence of Christ. They don't do this, ostracize, reject, and ridicule people even of other faiths, obviously fictitious faiths, even those consistently violent to others, but they do towards Christ and Christianity.



It's like this. When you see people who are normally well-thought and intelligent suddenly giving into their mindless compulsions, that's very strong, common-sense-level evidence that something's awry here. Either Christianity has profoundly affected you personally in some way that you can't help blaming the whole of the faith for, or, more than likely, since most Atheists don't have any particular reason to hate Christianity, the Bible is right, there exists an ancient extremely intelligent being in a different dimension from us who's only real power in our dimension is the power of suggestion. And by convincing people that it is not him tempting them, they don't even realize they're being manipulated.



Dictators and scientists both proved how effective subliminal suggestion can be at tempting people towards what they already want in some way. This is something the Bible told us more than 2,000 years ago when God described how Satan tempts us. We are dragged away and enticed by our own desires. And if you read the Bible, it is very clear that Satan's power in our world is not a tangible power, but only the power of suggestion, i.e. temptation, which exactly the mechanism of subliminal suggestion. As though God wanted to reveal to us in this late and foolish day the reality of Satan's mechanism to turn us from God.
shelley
2016-01-13 09:27:16 UTC
Evolution.... Fact or Fiction?



I love these type of questions because there is no 'right' or 'wrong' answer. It's whether we have faith in our religion or faith in our scientific world... or maybe a little of both.



I look at questions such as this with an open mind because anything is possible. I was raised a Christian believing in God and in the Holy Book however as I grew older I had questions of my own concerning the Bible and it's contents.

Who is God? What is God? Was Jesus just a man or the Son of God? Did God create the heavens and earth or was it ' the big bang theory' that scientists claim? Did God create man in His own image or did evolution create man and woman?

People have been asking these questions for eons and decades with no good explanation or substantial proof of evidence that we can see. We can speculate or assume or theorize but do we have real proof or evidence?



Is there a God? well... if there wasn't, then the Bible is just a book nothing more or nothing less...just a book that the ancients created as a source to believe in something as to a God. People had to believe in something to keep on living for a cause. The Egyptians had Ra and Isis and others, The Greeks had Zeus and Hera and Poseidon etc.., The Jewish faith had their God as well as the Hebrews in that time period and still do so having a God to worship was a necessity and a way of life.



One must remember that the Bible was written by 'man' not by God Himself. The Old Testament was written in old Arabic and some translations in Greek and Hebrew as to the Dead Sea Scrolls. In the book of Genesis which is the first book of Moses whom was after Noah's time and had to have had some sort of knowledge or writings brought down to his generation about God and His creation. These writings that were handed down from one generation to the next could have been altered or added too or even possibly changed through out the years before Moses so this is what I question myself. Was this all true in what was written or someone's vivid imagination concerning God and His work.



The answer is we will never know what is truth or fiction.. it's what we believe as Christians of the Faith of God and what was written and what we have been taught as children.



Another question.. Did God create the heavens and earth?



Scientists believe in the 'Big Bang Theory' which they might be partially right whose to say it didn't. The earth is billions of years old and we can theorize all we want to on this issue however the Bible states that God created the heavens and earth in 6 days and rested on the 7th day. So... which is it? God verses Scientific theories.



In my own opinion... I believe it's a toss up. I don't feel that God created the earth and all creations in 6 days. If God had His hand in the creation then I believe it took a lot longer than just 6 days. I also feel that the scientists couldn't be all that incorrect in their findings as to their 'Big Bang Theory'. So I feel that both had their hands so do speak as to the creation of our solar system. I do believe there is a 'Higher Source'.



Now comes to the Evolution.....



Now once again the Bible states that God created man in His own image. Okay... so if God created man in his own image then is the Bible telling us that God is human or manlike?

Scientists of course say differently since they have found numerous skeletal bones dating as far back as 130,000 to 320,000 yrs ago that were human but had ape traits as well so are the scientists correct that man evolved from apes?



I can't picture God as being a 'Great Ape' so do speak..lol., If this was the case then Adam and Eve were Chimps running around the 'Garden of Eden' eating bananas and wearing a fig leaf apron for clothing.... NOT!!!!



This is what I'm trying to imply... What is the truth about God the Bible and Evolution? Are we taking the Bible literally in full context or is the Bible fabricated? Did the ancients write the truth or did they make the Bible up so the people would have something to believe in as to a God so they would have faith and hope in their lives. We need that faith in our lives, we do need God or a religion that we believe in depending on the person. But we all need Faith in our lives. Believing in God gives us strength and hope.



I believe that there is a 'Higher Source' and I believe that whomever that Higher Source is started the creation but Evolution took over where God left off. I can't picture God as an ape so I feel that some things that were written wasn't actually accurate. Just a thought.
?
2016-01-11 14:10:41 UTC
If any two Evangelicals agree that YOU need to be told that EVOLUTION is false, and be told by someone who was AT the Creation, all they have to do is ask the Father to let Jesus show up in front of you and a crowd of your evolution-believing friends and TELL you.



Here's the Promise, straight from Jesus, in Matthew chapter 18(KJV)



" Again I say unto you, That if two of you shall agree on earth as touching any thing that they shall ask, it shall be done for them of my Father which is in heaven."



Since the Bible which reports the Creation, ALSO reports that Jesus has appeared to a crowd of over 500 people, we know it's not wrong for Him to appear.



Come on, Creationists!

Trust the PROMISE made by Jesus!!

What have you got to lose, by asking?
Audrey
2016-01-12 04:05:19 UTC
The problem to begin with is that evangelical Christians aren't interested in facts. Most religion isn't overly concerned with facts or correct information if you really look at it but especially them. They're main objective is actively trying to bring about end times aka The Rapture and trying to make it align with biblical events which of course are just fairly tales. They're a ****** bunch and they might just **** us all. Good Luck!
Khakidoodle
2016-01-14 11:34:04 UTC
I do not agree with evolution being a "fact". It is a matter of faith, as is everything we believe. Facts are based on evidence and, as we all know, evidence can be understood/seen different ways, and the truth of it is not universally agreed on. Fact or not, I know that God uses adaptation of the world to serve His purposes. Life adapts/evolves to environment, because God created it to. Creationists and evolutionists do not/will never agree on the origin of the species, so deal with it. Both are true, evolution just denies God's hand in it.
Mark
2016-01-12 11:45:44 UTC
If you re asking this in an attempt to bridge the gap between opposing camps, then this is not the right question to ask. Look over everyone s answers here and you will see a common thread: each side claims it has all of the evidence and logic on their side, and the other has none. Instead ask "Who is the speaker s trusted authoritative source?"



As long as you believe in God and cling to His holy book (Bible, Qu ran, etc.), then you will accept everything it says as the ultimate and final authority on the subject. Anything that contradicts it is wrong.



As long as you reject holy books and cling to human endeavors like science, then you will accept the products of said endeavors as the ultimate and final authority on the subject. Anything that contradicts it is wrong.



Every time religion and science conflict, it has less to do with intelligence and more to do with things like trust, identity (individual and group), tribal loyalty, and pride. Labeling people in the other camp as "stupid" or "evil" is immature, disrespectful, it deepens the gulf between you, it foments hatred, and it s almost always just flat-out incorrect.
brother trucker
2016-01-13 21:59:28 UTC
Its a fact that things evolve. Its not a fact that any one of the 11 accepted theories are correct although I believe a couple of them to be pretty close.



You want to be very careful in what you include in those facts because no theory of evolution has been established and we are probably still a long ways off before we can get science to agree. They are some of the stubbornest people on the planet.
Plogsties
2016-01-12 10:38:24 UTC
I know of nobody - including some religious people - that deny that evolution (that is that species change due to genetic shifts and environment) is a fact so I do believe what you are claiming is quite wrong. However, the notion that the PROCESS of evolution gave rise to ALL species known today is NOT a fact; it is a theory

which is unprovable and untestable. In fact the probability (mathematical) of this being the case is very small (very close to zero). That genetic shifts and environmental influences CAN lead to the life forms on earth MAY be the case and circumstantial evidence makes this a plausible THEORY but this is not what "FACT" means. Dogmatism is not helpful and it tends to close the mind.



BTW I should add that I am NOT at all religious. I do NOT NEED to have certainty in this context but I gather that you probably do - which is fine but be careful in ascribing stupidity to those who aren't as dogmatic.
anonymous
2016-01-12 04:12:37 UTC
None, they do not want any. They do not believe in evidence. They do not follow the evidence. They believe there was a special creation by a deity. Therefore, they do not want evidence for evolution. They have already decided it is wrong. Educating the wilfully ignorant is near impossible.
?
2016-01-13 18:34:05 UTC
Let's be honest here. Both sides, are biased. Both sides have already made up their minds and the next big thing that comes, the next big theory, or miracle, is going to make people on their respective sides go crazy. Just like with atheists, they go hard to try to prove that religion is wrong and use ideas such as evolution to support them, religious people have their own events and ideas. As of now, you can't really win over someone when their mind is already made up.
yen
2016-01-11 21:08:40 UTC
Darwin conjured up more data to suggest the theory of evolution exists than anyone has about God's existence. Many people believe in God and evolution.
anonymous
2016-01-11 14:32:18 UTC
Evangelicals have made it very clear that they have no interest in facts or evidence that implies their beliefs may be false.



If you doubt that look over some of their responses to your question.
марина
2016-01-12 06:58:37 UTC
The percentage of people who accept the scientific explanation of evolution is 32% . Yet the percentage who believe in Noahs Ark is about 46%? Is this incredibly alarming to anyone else that one has literally hundreds or thousands of pieces of evidence and the other has none. Not only no evidence but claims that can’t be explained without incredible miracles or suspending the laws of physics to be true. It’s a brainwashing system in this country that attacks children’s minds before they can think critically. …
Frankie
2016-01-11 20:00:38 UTC
If everything on this earth were to be wiped out completely, I mean if we were to start all over again, everything we've learned (in terms of science) would all be the same. So evolution as we now see it, we would see it the exact same also if we were to start over. Religion however, wouldn't be exactly the same. After all it is man-made.
Richard English
2016-01-14 04:26:41 UTC
No evidence will do. Religious nutters prefer to believe in things such as gods, devils, heaven and hell for which there is no proof at all, rather than things like evolution for which there are millions of pieces of proof.
?
2016-01-12 13:48:11 UTC
Hmm. What kind of evidence do evangelicals require to prove to them that evolution is a fact?



Well for starters how about a SHRED of evidence? Let's just start there. Can you, or anyone, produce even a shred of evidence to support the wild theory that an animal ever evolved into a different species entirely, or that man evolved from a lower species of animal? I mean. a link or reference would be nice when you make these kinds of outrageous claims and call them facts..
braille
2016-01-12 07:12:47 UTC
Lol well first the scientific community would have to prove the theory of evolution as fact. But you can't prove something to people who don't want to be proved wrong. Everyone has had a moment when they were sure they were right about something but then we're proven wrong. That's how these crazy evangelists feel all they time. So sure they're right. That kind of mentality is the cause of all evil. People who blindly belive in god and assume they are right and others are wrong are in fact the most evil and hateful people in the world. If you don't believe me I offer only one piece of evidence; Hitler. He was positive he was right and others were wrong, and he killed, murdered millions of people. All war is based on religion, even if it's not the real reason it's always the excuse. Always. Religion is evil.
Keith
2016-01-15 03:48:46 UTC
There will be no proof that they would accept because that would undermine their religious beliefs, and that is too scary to accept. It's safer to cling to their fantasy world than to face the facts of scientific evidence, which are in abundance already.
?
2016-01-12 10:41:37 UTC
These beliefs re subjective and open to interpretation. I am a Christian and believe God used evolution to create as much as anything else. I do not limit His power or question His methods. I do enjoy looking at all aspects and theories and deciding for myself what I believe to be true for me.
broeklien
2016-01-13 05:37:13 UTC
Evolution happening all around us

It is basically natural selection. Its on Animal Planet all the time. And a domesticated version in animal husbandry and cashcrop industry.

But they wouldn't want to see it I think.
Sharon
2016-01-12 22:48:43 UTC
The good Lord said in his good book that evolution was a lie created by the Jewish. I especially love that part in the Lord's Holy Bible where he delves into his relationship with God, who is also his father you know! The vignettes from his teen years were just so precious and humbling.
robert
2016-01-12 14:30:17 UTC
To evolution believers. We used to be so strong we could rip someones face off, now we are much weaker. Do you believe we could evolve back into monkeys then maybe snakes and then insects. Who says evolution cant decide to start to de evolve If so do you believe global warming will be the cause of it ? One other question. How come we started out so big like Rexes and stuff and now we have become so puny ? Was it because of global cooling ?
Hawk
2016-01-14 07:25:53 UTC
That would depend on what you mean by "evolution." No one believes Darwin's theory today, so Evangelicals reject it for the same reason. Math applied to the evidence for neo-darwinism disproved its proposed mechanism in the 1970s (natural selection and mutation). What new mechanism are you proposing? All the evidence I see points to design, so I presently accept design as the most likely mechanism.
vic
2016-01-11 19:00:36 UTC
No one has proved evolution is a fact, wheres the proof?
E
2016-01-14 16:02:46 UTC
How about some REAL Science that shows it, instead of the pseudoscience you people use to claim it does ?



in fact ALL Real science refutes evolution on every level.
Irene
2016-01-11 17:58:16 UTC
Who told you that all evangelicals are creationists???? Why don t you take the time to listen to a scientist who can give you all the facts and proof you need in order for you to re-think your position. His name is Ken Hamm, and he is building the Creation Museum in Kentucky.
Coop 366
2016-01-11 15:53:13 UTC
Why ask there is no evidence that either side will accept as proof. I am a Christian and have studied science and evolution all my life, there is no proof!
Hope
2016-01-12 08:33:39 UTC
There is not prove at all, never have there been and never will be. Something so complex as the human body could never just evolved so perfectly. And many say, "we are evolving every day." Well, if that was true, when are we going to see it the results? We have scientist that are old, what's new about mankind have they reported? Nothing...



Maybe this article on JW.org will help... www.jw.org/en/publications/magazines/g201501/how-life-began/
?
2016-01-14 06:34:41 UTC
There are more than enough evidence but they just simply ignore all in order to prove religion is a must especially to those who failed in their study as well as to those less fortunate.
Anthony
2016-01-12 22:36:50 UTC
How do you think g-d did it.

Just because many evangelists are empty headed fools doesn't mean g-d is. Humans have been evolving plants and animals through selective breading for millennium. How is it we can do it but g-d can't?
Your worst nightmare
2016-01-11 14:15:52 UTC
Transitional evidence for starters my friend, as there should be literally millions and millions of tons of transitional fossil evidence after billions and billions of years of mind numbing evolution. All we have are some cartoon like images in our science text books of primates and a common ancestor turning magically into humans over millions of years.
simple
2016-01-13 22:22:29 UTC
there is NO evidence at all. the only evidence proven about evolution is that some species have "adapted" to their environments. beyond that it is a complete fairy tale.

if you can answer these ?'s, there might be hope though...

1-How did life originate? Evolutionist Professor Paul Davies admitted, “Nobody knows how a mixture of lifeless chemicals spontaneously organized themselves into the first living cell.”1 Andrew Knoll, professor of biology, Harvard, said, “we don’t really know how life originated on this planet”.2 A minimal cell needs several hundred proteins. Even if every atom in the universe were an experiment with all the correct amino acids present for every possible molecular vibration in the supposed evolutionary age of the universe, not even one average-sized functional protein would form. So how did life with hundreds of proteins originate just by chemistry without intelligent design?

2-How did the DNA code originate? The code is a sophisticated language system with letters and words where the meaning of the words is unrelated to the chemical properties of the letters—just as the information on this page is not a product of the chemical properties of the ink (or pixels on a screen). What other coding system has existed without intelligent design? How did the DNA coding system arise without it being created?

3-How could mutations—accidental copying mistakes (DNA ‘letters’ exchanged, deleted or added, genes duplicated, chromosome inversions, etc.)—create the huge volumes of information in the DNA of living things? How could such errors create 3 billion letters of DNA information to change a microbe into a microbiologist?

4-Why is natural selection, a principle recognized by creationists, taught as ‘evolution’, as if it explains the origin of the diversity of life? By definition it is a selective process (selecting from already existing information), so is not a creative process. It might explain the survival of the fittest (why certain genes benefit creatures more in certain environments), but not the arrival of the fittest (where the genes and creatures came from in the first place).

5-Living things look like they were designed, so how do evolutionists know that they were not designed? Richard Dawkins wrote, “biology is the study of complicated things that have the appearance of having been designed with a purpose.”4 Francis Crick, the co-discoverer of the double helix structure of DNA, wrote, “Biologists must constantly keep in mind that what they see was not designed, but rather evolved.”5 The problem for evolutionists is that living things show too much design. Who objects when an archaeologist says that pottery points to human design? Yet if someone attributes the design in living things to a designer, that is not acceptable. Why should science be restricted to naturalistic causes rather than logical causes?

6-How did sex originate? Asexual reproduction gives up to twice as much reproductive success (‘fitness’) for the same resources as sexual reproduction, so how could the latter ever gain enough advantage to be selected? And how could mere physics and chemistry invent the complementary apparatuses needed at the same time (non-intelligent processes cannot plan for future coordination of male and female organs).

7-Why are the (expected) countless millions of transitional fossils missing? Darwin noted the problem and it still remains. The evolutionary family trees in textbooks are based on imagination, not fossil evidence. Famous Harvard paleontologist (and evolutionist), Stephen Jay Gould, wrote, “The extreme rarity of transitional forms in the fossil record persists as the trade secret of paleontology”.6 Other evolutionist fossil experts also acknowledge the problem.

8-How do ‘living fossils’ remain unchanged over supposed hundreds of millions of years, if evolution has changed worms into humans in the same time frame? Professor Gould wrote, “the maintenance of stability within species must be considered as a major evolutionary problem.”

9-How did blind chemistry create mind/ intelligence, meaning, altruism and morality? If everything evolved, and we invented God, as per evolutionary teaching, what purpose or meaning is there to human life? Should students be learning nihilism (life is meaningless) in science classes?

10-Science involves experimenting to figure out how things work; how they operate. Why is evolution, a theory about history, taught as if it is the same as this operational science? You cannot do experiments, or even observe what happened, in the past. Asked if evolution has been observed, Richard Dawkins said, “Evolution has been observed. It’s just that it hasn’t been observed while it’s happening.”



if you can logically and scientifically, without a shadow of a doubt provide explanation for these questions then you might have a chance...
?
2016-01-11 16:32:17 UTC
You can throw them evidence after evidence after evidence and they will respond like Wendy Wright did Richard Dawkins, you have no evidence
?
2016-01-12 16:28:59 UTC
This is the problem with people like you. You constantly mock Christians for their beliefs, but you're the one spending hours of your life trying to find ways to put people who don't subscribe to your personal beliefs down. Which one is the real fool?
john
2016-01-12 12:40:51 UTC
There is no amount of evidence that would convince them because that would mean they have even a shred of intelligence, which they don't.
Pig
2016-01-11 14:00:24 UTC
You would need some real proof to prove that evolution is a fact. I minored in evolution studies at an atheist collage back before I was a Christian and found that evolution just couldn't be true.



1. Evolution is impossible. Try it for yourself, dump a bunch of chemicals into a bowl and see if it makes an elephant.

2. Evolution dictates that no morals are necessary, that we are all a bunch of molecules with no god to guide us.

3. If humans evolved, why did Jesus talk about Adam, the first person?

5. If evolution was true, how did spiders evolve webs to catch flies? Wouldn't they have starved a long time ago without webs?

6. If evolution were true, there wouldn't be gays because they would have been bred out of the gene pool by now (man + man = no babies)
?
2016-01-13 21:17:37 UTC
Well it's kind of hard when I have all this evidence that secular evolution scientists don't have all the facts: ----- http://amazingdiscoveries.tv/c/10/Genesis_Conflict_-_English/
emily
2016-01-13 16:10:10 UTC
None. They have no evidence except one book to prove to them otherwise, but with mounds of proof they will not listen.
anonymous
2016-01-11 17:49:15 UTC
None. Proof of evolution is not relevant and neither are you or anyone else. It's all BS!
?
2016-01-12 18:13:43 UTC
i dont think that there is any evidence that you could show them to make them understand evolution as reality, because that would require them to change their entire world view.
Thomas
2016-01-12 11:34:12 UTC
Trying to convince them of anything is a waste of time. They will say that any evidence we show them is cleverly fabricated fiction. Let them live in their dream world and the rest of us will live in the real world.
Merlin
2016-01-13 06:37:26 UTC
You might well take on the task of convincing a Blind Man there is such a thing as Light, as convince a die hard Evangelist anything derived of science has creditably. Yes, the blind man can feel the warmth of the sun on his hands, but being blind he will "Never See the Light."
CRR
2016-01-12 03:41:19 UTC
Scientifically sound evidence for a start.



Usually we get things like "humans and chimps are 98% similar", which is flat out untrue.
Steve N
2016-01-13 05:04:59 UTC
It can't be proven, it can't be disproven. At least not yet. So it really makes no difference. The science does suggest that it happened but that still not fact at this point.
Mercuri
2016-01-11 12:23:12 UTC
There's already an overwhelming amount of evidence supporting evolution. More evidence isn't what they want. They probably wouldn't take anything more than their own God coming down and telling them that evolution is true. And even in that case they STILL might reject their own God's claims.
Cornelius
2016-01-13 09:47:00 UTC
evangelicals do not recognize things like facts, logic, or evidence.
Mo
2016-01-14 08:34:48 UTC
They have the right not to believe in evolution.....we are all entitled to our views. So mind your own business and leave them alone.



Mo University Lecturer Atheist and Evolutionist.
anonymous
2016-01-13 15:47:12 UTC
Evangelical Christians have their opinions like everybody else. Just listen to them regarding moral issues and be done with it.
great knight
2016-01-12 23:30:40 UTC
You are being deceived. Jesus Christ is the truth. Study the Word of God. Read Romans chapter 1 and 5.
Cimmay
2016-01-11 20:23:52 UTC
No one denies evolution. It is the purposeful work of the Universe Mother Spirit.
Uncle Remus 54
2016-01-11 13:01:33 UTC
Creationists acknowledge small evolution takes place (micro-evolution) where a species does indeed adapt to its environment. But it will always remain what it genetically is. So a rose will always be a rose. And apple tree an apple tree. All the different kinds of lifeforms we see on earth are created by God.



It is macro-evolution which has never been proven scientifically. Below is a very well written article between the two and why Darwin's theory fails.
?
2016-01-12 04:24:37 UTC
Even if they WATCHED it happen themselves (which is possible: scientists have watched it in entirety), they'd still deny it. If they allowed that it happens, they'd say it was God's Will. Idiots.
anonymous
2016-01-11 18:33:58 UTC
Evolutionary things are indeed real but only part of the story.



It was both. Which is the funniest **** ever! It was both created and evolved!



This place is crazy!
Adam E
2016-01-12 14:18:06 UTC
Lol I love the replies that say, "cause there's no shred of evidence!" No ya, cause there's so much proof god exists. Ya...
XaurreauX
2016-01-11 13:37:26 UTC
With evolution deniers it's not a failure to understand, it's a refusal to understand. Creationism is infantilism. Evolution is for grownups.
Gurdeep
2016-01-12 03:30:50 UTC
Uuuu
Simon
2016-01-13 06:34:07 UTC
All the leaders of the world to sit in front of a video recorder, and it be posted on Youtube.
Morton L.
2016-01-11 12:22:06 UTC
The only thing that would make evangelicals understand that it is real is if it was supported by what they would consider "biblical evidence." Evangelicals are notorious for pushing the bible as a science textbook.
Periferalist
2016-01-12 10:06:26 UTC
Which ones? The Roman Catholic Church recognizes the truth of evolution.
nobudE
2016-01-12 22:18:04 UTC
Don't bother. So long as they don't force their goofy ideas on the rest of society, they are fine.
anonymous
2016-01-11 12:25:42 UTC
Just like there are Holocaust deniers, evolution deniers ignore evidence. The Bible trumps everything. They like a small universe and want live in the past.
Search first before you ask it
2016-01-11 12:32:08 UTC
Jesus showing up and telling them that the Book of Genesis is garbage. But I doubt they'll listen if what Jesus told them isn't what they wanted to hear.
marsel_duchamp
2016-01-11 12:29:53 UTC
Nothing would do it. Some have gone as far to say that if the bible said 2+2=5 they would believe it. You cannot make any progress when arguing with that kind of insanity.
Sweetdaddy Rex
2016-01-14 14:22:34 UTC
Wouldn't make any difference; People believe, or dis-believe what ever they choose ! SAME AS YOU !
peacock
2016-01-12 07:50:06 UTC
I believe in God and I also believe in evolution.
Helen
2016-01-13 02:28:26 UTC
They would probably need to witness a giraffe give birth to a koala for that to happen...
james o
2016-01-11 12:21:55 UTC
If they studied it, they would certainly respect it.



I find that none of those who oppose it understand evolution. I could go on, but that's really it in a nutshell.
anonymous
2016-01-11 13:43:17 UTC
The arrogance of pro evolutionists is apparent in your question. By presupposing that you're correct, says it all. Your mind is closed, maybe not forever?! God is fact, evolution is a lie! An education, media and mega $ raising lie! "The fool says in his/her heart, there is no God."
Bennie
2016-01-11 22:30:25 UTC
None you can't reason with a fanatic.
?
2016-01-11 12:24:02 UTC
They want to see animorphs in real life
?
2016-01-11 12:36:20 UTC
Science attempts to follow the evidence where it leads.



Religion attempts to make the evidence fit a pre-existing narrative.
anonymous
2016-01-12 13:12:10 UTC
When did your relatives move down from trees? You ape!
anonymous
2016-01-12 02:57:23 UTC
probably security in your own beliefs and not trying to prove anything besides your beliefs.
aj
2016-01-11 17:38:35 UTC
A time machine?
Brigalow Bloke
2016-01-12 04:56:59 UTC
That which is beaten into them with a pick handle.
ChristianFeliciaLoveJesus
2016-01-14 06:07:12 UTC
Love Jesus . Miracles Exist that proof God exist
?
2016-01-11 12:44:46 UTC
You can't confuse them with facts.

Their minds are already closed.
?
2016-01-11 12:51:19 UTC
Real evidence doesn't work, maybe some fantasy evidence.
Someone who cares
2016-01-11 14:55:15 UTC
Make a dog have kitties.
james
2016-01-11 16:07:40 UTC
some
OldPilot
2016-01-11 16:36:00 UTC
IS EVOLUTION UNPROVEN



The simple fact is: The last roughly 10 years of Whole Genome Mapping has proved, irrefutably that evolution is a fact or God is a lying weasel.



The best proof of that is: At the Dover Trial in 2005, the best Expert Witnesses the Creationists / Intelligent Design side had could NOT even offer a rebuttal to the Whole Genome evidence the evolution side offered.



Kitzmiller v. Dover Area School District



Court United States District Court for the Middle District of Pennsylvania

Full case name Tammy Kitzmiller, et al. v. Dover Area School District, et al.

Argued September 26, 2005–November 4, 2005

Decided December 20 2005

Citation(s) 400 F. Supp. 2d 707 (M.D. Pa. 2005)



Evolution was proven to be a valid, well supported by observation and prediction, science under the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure.



“The second thing that you saw at the trial, was that when data was introduced at the trial, which I and another witness introduced from whole genome sequencing, the intelligent design advocates just literally had nothing to say. We weren't asked questions in cross-examination, the other side never brought it up, they never argued against it, they just left it.” Ken Miller, PhD on neither he nor the other evolution Expert Witnesses NOT being cross-examined on their testimony.



Creationists often complain that the judge and the legal system was biased against Creationism. But, when your case is so weak that you cannot even cross examine the opposition, you have no hope of winning.



Let's put it this way, the biotechnology / pharmaceutical and agrochemical industries would not work without it.



Now, here's a copy and paste of one of my standard answers for questions like this.



Some "evolutionist" scientific achievements since 1961 -



1961 Crick, Brenner et al discover that three nucleotide bases are needed to code for amino acids, confirming a suggestion by nuclear physicist George Gamow.

1963 Effective measles vaccine.

About 1964 Har Gobind Khorana and others work out the genetic code.

1969 Arber and Meselson confirm that restriction enzymes cleave DNA.

1969 Rubella vaccine.

1971 Measles, mumps, rubella combination vaccine.

1972 Berg produces the first artificial recombinant DNA molecules.

1973 Boyer and Cohen make the first transgenic organism.

1978 Riggs and Itakura make the first genetically engineered insulin.

1978 Fred. Sanger et al publish the dideoxy chain termination analysis of DNA.

1980 Frank Fenner oversees the eradication of smallpox.

1980 Robert Gallo et al identify the first human retrovirus.

1983 Recombinant insulin placed on market.

1988 Kary Mullis et al publish the polymerase chain reaction.

1988 Richard Lenski begins long term Escherichia coli experiment.

2000 Craig Venter et al publish a rough draft of human genome.

2005 Rough draft of chimpanzee genome published.

2006 Final draft of first human genome project completed.

2007 Horse genome completed.

2007 Anti-herpes vaccine.

2012 Richard Lenski's long term experiment continues, having demonstrated evolution of citrate metabolism in E. coli.



Thousands of patents in various forms of biotechnology outlining useful or potentially useful inventions.



In 1961 creationist Henry Morris founded the Institute for Creation Research. In 1978 Ken Ham and a few others founded the Creation Science Foundation, which broke up to form Creation Ministries International and Answers in Genesis about 2006. Others have also started their own organisations. Taken together, these ministries have hundreds of employees.



Some "conservative Christian" scientific achievements since 1961 -



About 1970 Henry Morris misrepresents the probability of producing a protein.

1970s Duane Gish lies about the laws of thermodynamics.

1980 Barry Setterfield lies about the velocity of light.

1980s The Creation Research Foundation lies about a fibrous mineral being paper.

1982 Duane Gish lies about the Australopithecus fossil "Lucy" and Lord Solly Zuckerman. Though corrected on at least four occasions through the 1980s, he continues to lie about the matter until at least 1995.

1985 Duane Gish lies about Eugene Dubois, the Wadjak skulls and Java man.

1961 - 2015 Creationists persistently lie about what biological evolution actually is.



No identifiable patents. Creationism has led nowhere except an orchestrated litany of lies.



Matthew Chapter 7, Verse 16. "By their fruits shall ye know them. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?"



Metadata Brandis





ERVs Probability

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nyNG9uMVPaE

DNA EVIDENCE PROVEN WRONG?

The proof is the same proof that would be used in a court of law to send a person to prison or execution. It is solid. The ERV Markers in human and bonobo chimpanzees say that we are cousins with such high reliability (Roughly 1 chance in (2*10^138), that Criminal Defense Attorneys would pay large amounts of money to Creation Theorist that could even call the reliability of DNA evidence into question, much less show that it was false. Creation Theorists know this and have known it since 2005. DNA is a "Slam Dunk," evolution is real and really happened. The theory part is the details of HOW it happened. That it DID, is no longer refutable. We get DNA from living organisms we know exactly where it came from and how old it is. The results can be duplicated by any genetics lab on earth.

Why would a Criminal Defense Attorney pay for a valid argument that DNA evidence for evolution might be wrong?

ANALOGY: Consider a HYPOTHETICAL (I hate to make this so long, but I need to set it up. The point is, this has NOT HAPPENED because the DNA evidence for evolution is solid and cannot be refuted) rape case, the prosecution has brought in Niles Smith, PhD, Professor Emeritus Genetics, Harvard Medical School, Winner of the Nobel Prize in Biology, 2017, as an Expert Witness to validate the DNA evidence from the semen samples collected from the victim and the defendant. Dr Smith is under cross-examination. The Defense has as an Expert Witness, John Jones, PhD, Professor of Biochemistry, Buffalo Butt, Montana Unified University of Creation Studies. Dr Jones through careful study of the biochemistry of DNA has determined. Irrefutably that both the fused Human Chromosome #2 and the DNA sequences thought to be raiment of retrovirus infections are just results of the biochemistry of DNA. This has been published and been validated by the scientific community. Dr Jones is a candidate for the 2025 Nobel Prize in Biology.



Q: Dr Smith, it is your testimony that the DNA evidence proves, irrefutably that my client is guilty of rape, is that correct?

A: Yes, it is. The DNA evidence is clear and irrefutable.

Q: Dr Smith, I show you an article from the June 2018 issue of issue of Scientific American in which you claim to have identified over 90,000 Retrovirus remnants in the human genome and mapped the human linage back to birds. Are you the Senior Author of that article?

A: Yes, I am.

Q: Please read the last paragraph.

A: “With this research the final nail has been driven into Creation/Intelligent Design Theory coffin. The Research Team has shown with probability so astronomically low, that it cannot be calculated, that evolution is an irrefutable fact.”

Q: Dr Smith, have you read Dr Jones’ paper?

A: Yes, I have.

Q: Based on Dr Jones’ paper, were you wrong when you said in 2018 that DNA irrefutably proved evolution?

A: Yes, regrettably, I was.

Q: You say the DNA evidence against my client is irrefutably true also. You make the same claim in both cases. If you were wrong before, could you not be wrong now?

Point: If any part of DNA evidence could be shown to be wrong, it could be used to discount DNA in a Court of Law. It has not and the Creation Theorists that say it has been are lying.

END OF ANALOGY

"If religion does NOT agree with science, then theologians have MISINTERPRETED Scripture." - Galileo Galliei



I can only conclude that since evolution is supported by a huge amount of evidence, that the Creation Theorists are misinterpreting Scripture.



In fact, there is LESS THAN 1 chance in 10^138 that by Whole Genome Sequencing alone, that evolution is not true. By any reasonable standard, that makes evolution ,a proven fact.
djdundalk
2016-01-14 11:19:32 UTC
Why do you or anyone else have to convince others of anything, its their perspective of life and the way they perceive it.
PaxMaker
2016-01-11 17:22:02 UTC
A revelation from God.
?
2016-01-14 11:44:07 UTC
here is a story about the new york natural history museum which i think you will find amusing.

http://newsdaily.com/2016/01/boo-new-dinosaur-skeleton-will-spill-out-of-hall-at-famed-new-york-museum/
?
2016-01-11 12:31:04 UTC
Things change.
TTown
2016-01-12 05:24:16 UTC
Evidence. There is none.
?
2016-01-11 13:48:07 UTC
To see it in print in the Bible...but not just evangelicals--all Christians.



We know what truth is..."In the beginning GOD created the heavens & the earth..."
Allen
2016-01-11 19:54:07 UTC
The fact that you wipe your *** with your hand.
anonymous
2016-01-13 15:32:01 UTC
who cares
anonymous
2016-01-11 13:49:18 UTC
the indoctrination that Atheists accepted from their Atheist public school teachers
anonymous
2016-01-11 12:20:15 UTC
"Nothing could convince me that God isn't real, and that the Bible isn't true"



-Ken Ham, Christian evangelical.
anonymous
2016-01-11 12:42:11 UTC
They want to hear Jesus say it.
?
2016-01-11 13:19:01 UTC
I believe Jesus Christ is the Son of God so when he says it will be like the days of Noah and Lot when he returns I believe him



Jesus Christ is Lord



All things are possible with God
Gary B
2016-01-11 12:30:53 UTC
The same evidence Darwin specified -- a complete, no missing elements, fossil chain from beginning to end.
karen
2016-01-11 13:59:58 UTC
don't waste your time.
?
2016-01-13 02:53:42 UTC
none because its not a fact its 1000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000% untrue.
?
2016-01-11 12:19:18 UTC
They want you to show a dog giving birth to a cat, duh!



That's what people who deny evolution think evolution is...
Hi T
2016-01-11 12:32:10 UTC
Hope this helps:

https://answersingenesis.org/search/?csrfmiddlewaretoken=btPf2vvhNQ8gPw7yg5MmrZp3dgMd3CkS&site=AiGall&q=evolutionists+vs+creationist+vidoes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WxVxS0z3aTk
thegreatone
2016-01-11 21:42:47 UTC
Faith.
anonymous
2016-01-11 20:25:45 UTC
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