Question:
Was the word Jehovah REALLY in the NT?
perforated sphere
2008-10-31 18:34:59 UTC
So I always believed God protected his Word, so that despite all the transcribing and translating, it was preserved. Now there are a few verses that people consider questionable, but we know they are questionable because we have early manuscripts that do not contain these verses. Still these verses are minor and don’t alter the message of the NT. But if God allowed his name to be removed 237 times, I’m sure anything could have been removed or added. None of the early manuscripts contain this word. Can we believe anything in the NT? Or did God protect everything except for his name?
Fifteen answers:
♥Blessed♥ Ps118:8 Rom3:4 Act5:29
2008-10-31 21:59:08 UTC
Jehovah's Witnesses believe that the New World translators "restored" God's name to it's orginal place." But, in all honesty, it was a far stretch for the WTS to put "Jehovah" into the New Testament. If you have access to a NWT reference Bible, here are some things that you should look into: Every time "Jehovah" is inserted into the New Testament, at the bottom of your Reference Bible, you will see J#'s. There are a few appendixes in the back that you should read to begin to understand what that means.



What are these j-versions?



From 1385 A.D. onwards, the New Testament Greek manuscripts started to be translated into certain Hebrew versions with the inclusion of YHWH. It is essential to understand that these have no connection whatsoever with the Hebrew Scriptures or Old Testament manuscripts and were not translated until well over one thousand years after Jesus death.



Basically, those are the ONLY sources out of thousands of manuscripts that the WTS could find to justify replacing "Lord" with "Jehovah." In fact, the interesting thing about those documents, is that, not only are they much later copies translated into Hebrew, but they are actually TRINITARIAN-biased! These documents use the divine name for BOTH God the Father, and for the Son! Yet, the NW translators only borrowed from these documents where they felt is was appropriate (ie: when the J-versions could be used to support the WT pre-conceived ideas).



My point being that, just because the NWT says "Jehovah" doesn't mean that God the Father is REALLY the subject of that passage.



This has allowed the NWT "translators" to obscure the Deity of Jesus. As an example, lets look an the context of the Revelation 1:7-8...... I will still use the NWT, only omitting "Jehovah."



"I am the Alpha and the Omega," says ???, "the One who is and who was and WHO IS COMING, the Almighty."



So who is speaking???



Let’s look at Revelation 22:12-13:



“‘Look! I am coming quickly, and the reward I give is with me, to render to each one as his work is. I am the Al′pha and the O·me′ga, the first and the last, the beginning and the end.’”



Jesus is coming. (Mat 24:30, Mat 26:64, Mar 13:2, Luk 21:2, Rev 1:7, Rev 22:20)



He has His reward with Him. (Isaiah 62:11)



He is the First and the Last. (Rev 1:17,18)



All the evidence points to the speaker in this passage being Jesus, making Him “the Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.”



There is only one FIRST and one LAST, and from Isaiah, it is clear that the “First and the Last” is God Almighty!



Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God. (Isa 44:6 KJV)



The more you dig, the clearer it becomes that Jesus is not “a” god, but God Almighty, YHWH.



Source(s):



A concise explanation of the "J" manuscripts:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C04teg9A_Uo&feature=PlayList&p=57AE0BF37D1CCBA9&index=21



Scanned copies of the "J-text" manuscripts,

proving the dishonesty of the NW "translators":

http://www.catholicresponse.org/articles/Hiding_The_Divine_Name.pdf





Additional info:



http://www.jwfacts.com/index_files/Jehovah.htm



http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Parthenon/7831/jehovah.html
Abernathy the Dull
2008-11-02 09:26:56 UTC
Jehovah is in every NT, in Revelation chapter 19. Hallelujah. Jehovah made sure his name would be preserved in the NT for every eye to see.



Matthew was first written in Hebrew, and would have contained Jehovah's name.



When quoting from the OT, the NT writers would have used God's name. Every existing Septuagint manuscript - 1st century and older - has God's name in it. It is generally accepted that it was the 'Christians,' not the Jews, who removed God's name from the Septuagint. This would have started in the 2nd century - after the NT had been completed. When the apostate Christians removed God's name from the Septuagint, they do so from the NT also.



There are no NT manuscripts (aside from extremely small bits that wouldn't have had God's name anyway) preserved until about 100 years after the NT was completed. The first 100 years after the completion of the NT was when the apostasy got started. Apostate Christians have no problem not using God's name.
2008-11-01 08:33:16 UTC
I hear this argument all the time;



"Anytime the NT quoted from the OT, and in that quote was YHWH, then it would appear in the NT too. As I said, some translators removed it."



Does it make sense that translators would remove the name from the NT but not the OT? Is it not possible that when first century Christian Bible writers quoted from the OT that THEY themselves removed the name when they wrote it and that it has been copied that way ever since? Why is the removal of the name YHWH always attributed to "translators" and never to the actual Bible writers? Even the "Kingdom Interlinear Translation of the Holy Scriptures" shows that the name never appeared in the NT manuscripts.



I tend to agree with clevergirl's answer on this. There simply is NOT enough evidence or argument to justify placing the name in the NT.
shawn
2016-05-24 13:39:23 UTC
Depends on the conspiracy theory. In general I tend to believe the standard belief held by most people - I think the theory that claims 9-11 was an inside job is absolutely ludicrous for example. If the theory was compelling enough I might believe it - but as of right now, I haven't seen a conspiracy theory yet that I find more compelling and accurate than the standard held explanation. Then again, I'm one of those weirdo Christians who finds evolution to be plausible :) Peace!
t_a_m_i_l
2008-11-01 09:03:17 UTC
When the Lord is written in the New Testament, it would be Yahweh if it is a fulfilled prophetic Word of the Old Testament scripture that the LORD is Yahweh in.



Like the LORD is my Shepherd. Jesus is Lord & said, "I AM the Good Shepherd...".



In the Old Testament, the LORD God is I AM that I AM. And I AM is sometimes representative of the fullness of God. God the Father, Word/Son & Holy Spirit.



The LORD or GOD in all caps is secret code of YHVH. So really, Gods name wasn't removed at all. It still is in my KJV Bible.

LORD is Yahweh (YHVH).

GOD is Yahweh (YHVH).

In the Old Testament. That is secret code to prevent accidental blaspheming of Gods Name.



Jehovah is translated from the Greek that was translated from the Hebrew. The original Hebrew is only known as YHVH. And the Lord gave me a 07/07/07 answer to prayer. I heard a wind sound, hyooooaaahyaaiii (something like that). But it was more vowels than consinants. And no 'V' sound. And I had asked the Lord in prayer some years ago how Moses heard from God the sound of Gods Name. And YHVH is similar to AM that is HYH.





Also, Jesus wants us to pray to our God as our Father. And the Father would have us worship Him in Spirit & Truth.



Jesus said that the first commandment is to 'Love the Lord (YHVH) thy God (ELHYM) with all thy heart mind soul & strength... It isn't written YHVH in the Greek. But this is directly from the OT Hebrew. Where it 'is' written Yahweh Elohim.
Mark E
2008-10-31 18:49:43 UTC
The answer to this is simple. The Old Testament was written in Hebrew and the New Testament was written in Greek. Jehovah is an English version of the Hebrew word for God found in the OT. The Greek language used the word "Theos" which the English have translated as God. Both the OT and NT had alternative words for God. (Elohim in OT and Adonai in NT). This teaches us that the name you use for God is not the paramount thing. Afterall you used the English version "God" in your question!
TeeM
2008-11-03 16:18:11 UTC
Dr. P. Kahle says: “We now know that the Greek Bible text [the Septuagint] as far as it was written by Jews for Jews did not translate the Divine name by kyrios, but the Tetragrammaton written with Hebrew or Greek letters was retained in such MSS [manuscripts]. It was the Christians who replaced the Tetragrammaton by kyrios, when the divine name written in Hebrew letters was not understood any more.” (The Cairo Geniza, Oxford, 1959, p. 222)



Who is fulfilling the prophecy of



(Jeremiah 23:27) 27 They are thinking of making my people forget my name by means of their dreams that they keep relating each one to the other, just as their fathers forgot my name by means of Ba′al.



(Baal translates as Lord, who is making people forget Jehovah's name by replacing it with the title Lord [Baal]?)



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2008-11-01 06:34:46 UTC
If the JWs prefer to believe a theory about bible tampering made up by the watchtower society rather than evidence ie early manuscripts then they are obviously not very interested in Truth but only in defending their beliefs.
Ken
2008-11-01 02:07:56 UTC
I find it odd that if using the name "Jehovah" was as important as the WT makes it out to be, why didn't JESUS use it?



Should not Matt 6:9 read After this manner therefore pray ye: Jehovah which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.



After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.



Jehovah is not mentioned anywhere in this model prayer but lets go back and look at the WT's main proof texts Psalm 83:18



That men may know that thou, whose name alone is JEHOVAH, art the most high over all the earth.



whose name alone is JEHOVAH is an adjective. This statement could stand alone as



That men may know that thou art the most high over all the earth.



God wants a relationship with us far more then a distant contract. An example, I had a relationship with my parents long before I knew their names. Even today, my wife and I after 28 years seldom call each other by our names and when we do, we know we are in trouble.



This is shown in Mark 14:36 with Jesus and the Father (and remember HE was here as a HUMAN but HE was still fully God)



And he said, Abba, Father, all things are possible unto thee; take away this cup from me:



Since we are made Joint heirs with Jesus when we place our trust in Jesus, we are also given this liberty, this relationship



Romans 8:15

For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.



Galatians 4:6

And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.



Oh no my friend, Just as I would not call my earthly father John, I do not call my heavenly Father Jehovah....I call HIM....DADDY! (Especially when I am hurting)



You can get this relationship in only a moment. The link below will explain how



YBhappy You have referred to Is 12:4



And in that day shall ye say, Praise the LORD, call upon his name, declare his doings among the people, make mention that his name is exalted.



You are correct but lets back up to verse 2 Behold, God is my salvation; I will trust, and not be afraid: for the LORD JEHOVAH is my strength and my song; he also is become my salvation. and go on to 6 Cry out and shout, thou inhabitant of Zion: for great is the Holy One of Israel in the midst of thee.



From these, we see it is referring to Jesus Christ, the Holy One of Israel. HE is the one that will be in our midst and ruling from Jerusalem
2008-11-01 01:41:52 UTC
First of all, is Jehovah really the correct name for GOD? Even the Watchtower admits it is not the correct name although they brag about being the only ones that know HIS name.



It is odd however that when they claim they are reinserting HIS name....Jehovah where it should be in the New Testament, they pick and chose where to add it although the same Greek word is used. In short, where the Greek word is referring to GOD, they use Jehovah but when the very same Greek word refers to Jesus Christ, they don't



In Romans Jehovah is inserted in the NWT, in Philippians it is not, as to do so would result in equating Jesus with Jehovah.

Romans 14:11 "For it is written: "'As I live,' says Jehovah, 'to me every knee shall bend down, and every tongue will make open acknowledgment to God.'""



Philippians 2:9-11 "For this very reason also God exalted him to a superior position and kindly gave him the name that is above every [other] name, 10 so that in the name of Jesus every knee should bend of those in heaven and those on earth and those under the ground, 11 and every tongue should openly acknowledge that Jesus Christ is Lord to the glory of God the Father."

1 Thessalonians 4:16,17 refers to Psalm 47:5. In this example the NWT chose not to follow the J versions.

Psalms 47:5 "God has ascended with joyful shouting, Jehovah with the sound of the horn."



1 Thessalonians 4:16,17

(J-7,8,13,14,24) "For the Lord Jehovah himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord Jehovah in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord Jehovah."



(NWT) "because the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a commanding call, with an archangel's voice and with God's trumpet, and those who are dead in union with Christ will rise first. 17 Afterward we the living who are surviving will, together with them, be caught away in clouds to meet the Lord in the air; and thus we shall always be with [the] Lord."



Also notice this verse....For the Lord Jehovah himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel. Since the WT claims that Jesus is Michael because HE has the voice of an archangel, does this not make Jehovah an angel too?



My friend the message is very clear if we use the BIBLE and ditch the magaizens. JESUS IS JEHOVAH!
2008-10-31 18:46:22 UTC
Only in the Old Testament.



Exodus 6:3 And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of God Almighty, but by my name JEHOVAH was I not known to them.



Psalms 83:18 That men may know that thou, whose name alone is JEHOVAH, art the most high over all the earth.



Isaiah 12:2 Behold, God is my salvation; I will trust, and not be afraid: for the LORD JEHOVAH is my strength and my song; he also is become my salvation.



Isaiah 26:4 Trust ye in the LORD for ever: for in the LORD JEHOVAH is everlasting strength:



Nothing can be removed or added according to God's Word.



Revelation 22:18-19 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:



19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
YBhappy
2008-10-31 18:51:17 UTC
I don't really know what you mean by NT, but God wants us to use his name and not just call him by the title "God". It would be like just calling someone Mister or Misses. You naturally want people to call you by your name, because it's a sign of a certain amount of affection.

For reference, look up the scripture Isa.12:4.
Vöt Änårж
2008-10-31 18:43:09 UTC
Vot said "Yes" the first time.



Anytime the NT quoted from the OT, and in that quote was YHWH, then it would appear in the NT too. As I said, some translators removed it. If your Bible has cross references, when you see a quotation from the OT, flip back there and see whether there is YHWH, Jehovah, Yahweh or LORD.

======================

Yes.



The translations that lack it had it REMOVED.



Here are some that preserved it (in the NT)



1) LeFevre, G.N. N.T. 1929 ............. Jehovah - many times



2) New World Translation ................. Jehovah - 277 times



3) Traina Sacred Name N.T. 1950 ..................... Yahweh - many times



4) Restoration of Original Sacred Name N.T. 1970 .................... Yahweh - many times



5) Wilson, B. Emphatic Diaglot 1866 ..................... Jehovah-18 times

....Mt. 21:9; 21:42; 22:37; 22:44; 23:39 Mk. 11:9; 12:11; 12:29(2x); 12:30; 12:36; Lu. 10:27; 13:35; 19:38; 20:37; 20:42; Jo. 12:13; Acts 2:34



6) Wand, J.W.C. N.T. Letters 1946 ................. Jehovah- 8 times Ro. 9:29; 11:4; 12:19; .He. 7:21; Jude 5; I Pet.1:2



7) Newcome N.T. 1796 ........................Jehovah



8) Kneeland N.T. 1822 ...................... .....Jehovah



9) Roth N.T. 1963 .............. Jehovah - many times



10) Dr. Dymond N.T. (Manuscript only - never published - 1972) ...Jehovah-YHWH



11) Campbell, Four Gospels 1796 ........................ Jehovah - Footnote for Lu.20:43



12) Perkiomen Press N.T. 1909 ... Jehovah - Acts 2:25, 34



13) Rutherford , W.G. Romans 1914 ............................................ Jehovah - 6 times



14.) Eliot, John 1661 N.T. [American Indian Language] ............. Jehovah - many times

.....Examples: Acts 2: 39, 47; Acts 3:19, 22



15) Ballentine American Bible 5 Vols. N.T. 1901 ...... JEHOVAH….Ro 7 Times; I Cor. 5 Times; 2 Cor. 1 Time



16) Kent , C.K. The Messages of the Apostles 1902 ............... Jehovah - many times



17) Wakefield , G. N.T. 1795 ................ Jehovah - Rev. 19:1, 3, 4 & 6
2008-10-31 22:41:01 UTC
1. I agree totally with Vot.



2. Sounds like somebody has a problem with Jehovah's Witnesses. ( the answer went from Jehovah in the bible to, why JW's suck). Wow. lol
2008-10-31 18:42:13 UTC
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