Question:
Why do people claim the US was founded on Christian law, moral, and principles?
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2017-02-17 12:12:31 UTC
Ben Franklin said "the way to see by faith is to shut the eye of reason." He's also claimed that "lighthouses are more useful than churches." Another good one is "whoever shall introduce into public affairs the principles of primitive Christianity will change the face of the world." If you believe that any of the founding fathers wanted this to be a christian nation, you're sadly mistaken. Period. There's religious quotes by all the founding fathers, all of which SUPPORT SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE!
Seventeen answers:
biggalloot2003
2017-02-17 12:21:11 UTC
Educated people understand that. But next time you talk to a christian, as them the name of the last history book they read.



We have the misfortune of living in a world where people get their "knowledge" from the mass media, and believe themselves to be educated. They would never dream of being embarrassed that they never read books, they watch Fox News!
Chair
2017-02-27 14:48:06 UTC
The short answer is because they find it personally fulfilling to believe it is. They were taught that by their second grade teacher (who, despite what some people think to the contrary, is likely to have been a conservative, because .... teaching is an attractive and acceptable profession for conservative women-- it is an okay thing for women to do, not too manly, and allows time for raising children). It is easier to cling to that, to believe some historic link with people living a very long time ago to claim some sort of superiority of one's point in the present time. Many of the founding fathers were totally cool with Muslim people and yes, we had Muslims here at the start of the country as well. That is also not something Mrs. Smith would have taught to a group of second graders.
K. Orrez
2017-02-17 13:20:57 UTC
This issue has been raised many times. I guess it's unresolvable. How many founding fathers were there? I've never seen a list.

How does "separation of church and state" indicate non Christianity?
JORGE N
2017-02-17 12:53:54 UTC
Fortunately, there were a few men among them who didn't want the church to rule. They fought and argued and in the end, realized that to have anything at all they had better come to some sort of compromise among themselves as to how it was going to be for their newly established country. That is why we have the illusion that all men are created equal not just the power elite. So those who don't have the power can feel they too are just as good as those in power. Etc. etc,. I don't think any of them actually meant it for everyone. But now it is meant for everyone who is a citizen or not but is in this country.
The Holy Shroud of Turin
2017-02-17 12:30:58 UTC
You bring up a really good point, I've told people this quite a few times. A lot of people don't realize Thomas Jefferson was very anti-Christian. He actually made his own bible, called the Jefferson bible, which mocks the miracles of Jesus Christ. The separation of church and state was actually not an American idea, it came from the Enlightenment Philosophy of Europe. A couple of the founders of the Enlightenment movement, a French man named Descartes hated religion with a passion. Also John Locke another believed that no one could ever find out if a religion was really true. So their conclusion was that people should be able to practice whatever religion they want (because they didn't believe in any of it). Thomas Jefferson was a student of Descartes and he implemented a lot of these atheistic policies into our laws.
kevon
2017-02-17 12:22:17 UTC
I think everyones always been set on a separation beteeen religion and state. It seems the safest way to preserve the church from any corrupt politician. Having a christian basis is on the other thing something else. You must take those quotes in context, for example the lighthouse one, perhaps he was saying more imigrantss were needed more than another church. It might have have the utilitarian view of the society at aim or something. You must always take quotes in context. I dont know if they wanted it to be christian or not but the underlying principals are kind of christian.....the wuote about faith he may have merely been trying fo say thay one nust stop relying on THEIR OWN reasoning and start trusting God. Not that reason itself was opposed to God. Im not saying he wasnt just saying be careful when quoting. One can easily make a quotr into something completely other than ehat was intended to be said.
mark
2017-02-17 12:17:44 UTC
Some of the founders were Christians some weren't. Some were only Christians publicly. I don't believe they were all Christian.
2017-02-17 12:17:15 UTC
It's a lie used by Christians, the biggest liars in history, so they can justify forcing their values, morality, and religion down people's throats and up their аsses.
2017-02-17 12:16:48 UTC
Because it was.



God Bless America!
G C
2017-02-17 12:15:45 UTC
Boring. We have answered this so many times.
2017-02-17 16:46:15 UTC
Christian law, moral, and principles? Roman Catholic sign of the cross is upside down, done with five fingers instead of three, is done from left to right instead of right to left, etc. (basically inviting demons). Antichrist's Third Temple will have 8 chambers: a chamber per main religion; antichrist will be crowned in this temple; during crowning, he won't read the "belief prayer" correctly (rejecting Christ and acknowledging himself); when he will take his gloves off to make sign of the cross incorrectly (just for show), many people will see his big nails and will reject him; Patriarch (who will be crowning him) will say that this is the antichrist; antichrist will kill him. Also, antichrist will kill those priests who disagree with him at the 8th "wolf" Council; others will worship him when a bird dies at his feet. Roman Catholics, Satanists, and Buddhists use the same mudras; if you see these mudras on an icon, then it's not Orthodox icon; Orthodox icon has IC XC symbol (Jesus Christ). Roman Catholics pay drunks and prostitutes to pose for icons; passions of drunks and prostitutes transfer to those who pray to these images. Normal Orthodox icons are inspired by the Holy Spirit. Gaad in Ruski = Satan; hence, Americans = blasphemers because they always say: "Oh, my god!". Santa (word for Saint in Satanic languages) = Satan; hence, Spanish + Italian + Portuguese = blasphemers. Anathema to Satanic languages; triple anathema. Learn Church Slavonic; no curses in it; curses = prayer to Satan. All religions except Orthodoxy worship Satan. On bread for communion: IC XC NIKA (Jesus Christ Conquers) plus cross = Orthodox; hexagram plus Dusha Maya = antichrist. Jews and Muslims pray head down (either standing, bowing, or kneeling); this is Satanic prayer. Orthodox look into the eyes of icon; energy goes their way; they get healed; head and shoulders come together to reject Satan slowly and then fast to normal showing allegiance to Christ and not the devil. Hands cannot be on groin or behind back; either put them crossing each other on chest (right over left) or just by your sides. Legs together so that a demon doesn't run underneath your legs. Clergy who will not "put Buddhist icons and serve antichrist's blood" will be killed; only 7 churches will be left as Pelageya of Ryazan predicted. In 2006 and at other meetings, fake patriarchs and bishops signed a bunch of documents betraying Orthodoxy by saying that all religions worship the same Supreme Being; triple anathema; don't let heretics tell you what to do. America will be last country to switch to Euro. Three big earthquakes will shake the three superpowers; 1st big earthquake in Russia; 2nd (bigger one) in China; 3rd (biggest of the three) will be in America. NATO will nuke Ukraine to blame Russia for it; then NATO will nuke Russia from Scandinavia. China will attack Russia; but will not get past Ural Mountains; bio-genetic weapon will be used against Chinese soldiers (they will run back to China and hide in closets in fear) and weather weapon will freeze Siberia to - 200 Celcius; stadium-size chunks of unmeltable ice will fall from the lower sky (because when rockets go into higher sky they bring this ice down to lower sky). Russia will destroy Turkey and America. China will have a hole across the whole country to the abyss (because of another super weapon used to stop Chinese aggression); radiation from this hole will be massive; Chinese will try to keep quiet about it; a lot of people will fall into this hole.

Scientists don't see dinosaurs because of radiation. Only Eurasia and Alaska (both without coasts) will remain after demons blow up Antarctica (which surrounds the flat earth) and Greenland melts. Move to Ural Mountains or inland Alaska. Sionists wanted war between Russia and Germany from June 11th to October 11th on their holidays because (666 times 3)+(6 times 3) = 2016 (in their twisted logic).

Tube people = demons. Clones = demons. Human costumes that demons wear = demons. Dinosaurs and 666ed people have triple stranded DNA; normal person can't swallow 666ed food (designed for 666ed people). Demons live inside clones. Bacteriologist Alexandre Yersin (who discovered Bubonic plague) is depicted on the Shroud of Turin. There is another shroud (Shroud of Milan) on which blasphemer Yosef (who was crucified on a pole in 1066 AD) is depicted. Menachem Mendel Schneerson, Lenin (el=deity in Hebrew, nine = no in German; so, when chanted repeatedly is blasphemy against the Creator), and Yosef were possessed by Azazel; now, Rico Cortes is possessed by Azazel.

WW3 happens; 7% of people will be left; after people are tired of war, they will elect the antichrist as one world leader; don't vote. ISIS stands for Israeli Secret Intelligence Service. Next false flag: Statue of Liberty in order to attack Iran; one big shake, one giant step forward, one giant collapse. Move away from coasts as nukes will go off in the ocean (at where tectonic plates meet; result: megatsunamis 1km high).

Wear natural clothing so that if a bomb goes off it won't stick to the body as fast as synthetic clothes. All metal will be burned for fuel; so, save knives, crowbars, shovels, wood-burning stoves, etc. Also, save cloth/fabric/textile to cover the wounds and diseases.

Eat natural food because nanochips, cells of aborted fetuses, bug DNA, and other poisons are in food that is commonly sold; reject vaccines, medical care, medicine, etc. because nanochips are administered thru IVs, implants, fillings, etc. If 1000-1500 nanochips are in your right hand, then you can't make proper Orthodox sign of the cross with the right hand; last mercy for you then will be to cut the hand off.

Seraphim of Sarov and Sergiy of Radonezh will be resurrected after WW3 for a short time; Seraphim of Sarov will show the new Ruski Tsar who will fight the antichrist for about 2 years and 8 months. Those who go see Seraphim of Sarov will be healed of their infirmities/illnesses/sicknesses/ diseases; if you want to see him then, hurry because he won't stay longer than a few weeks.

Earth is flat; stands on 3 pillars (the Most Holy Trinity); pillars stand on water at zero Kelvin. Zodiac is planetary prison of demons; don't believe in horoscopes or you'll exhibit the traits of the trapped demons. Most thoughts and dreams are from demons; demons never do good. Sleep fully clothed; pray the Jesus prayer. Pray to your guardian angel to have normal sleep.

Humans were created about 7525 years ago. Ruski Orthodox Christian Vyacheslav Krasheninnikov was the last prophet before Enoch and Elijah return to preach against the antichrist.

Birds participate in time creation. It's a sin to kill birds. Dinosaurs live under our level. They will get out through sinkholes and lakes. To kill them, go for their nerves. Save the birds; but kill the dinosaurs. First dinosaur will come out of Volga River in Russia.

Demons grow human skin (from a sample taken during abduction) and put it on so as to look like us. Demons will invite people to be healed inside their UFOs; those who go will be like zombies after. Gov't provides demons with diamonds and allows demons to abduct people. If you're being abducted, slowly pray the Jesus prayer.



Don't panic. Demons use diamonds and souls to power their UFO craft. The bigger the diamond, the more it lasts. Demons have 4 UFO bases: 1)Moon 2)Inside fake mountain Kailash in Tibet 3)In lake Baikal in Russia 4)In Atlantis which is underneath the Mariana Trench in Pacific Ocean. There are no aliens. Nobody lives on other planets.

Airplanes that go down are hit by demons because they need the airspace to fight Jesus. Antichrist is pale with red eyes. He's possessed by Satan since he's 12 years old. He flies very fast; deceived people will say that "Christ is here; Christ is there". Sometimes, he wears blue robe over left shoulder while red robe is underneath. He wears gloves to hide long nails. He's surrounded by demons who appear as angels of light. Antichrist will trick people to believe that he can do mountain moving and resurrection (using holograms); fire from the sky is easy (considering the gases from pollution in the atmosphere).

Don't go into a UFO to be healed by demons. Green 666 is given by isotope rays on wrist or forehead when people stretch hands to receive small plastic grey card with no name on it (World Passport). Police will microchip and isotope ray people on the highways. Microchipped people will be influenced by computers to take grey plastic card; but when they do, 666 is given. Food stores will isotope ray people too. Antichrist will also release prisoners to mark people. Reject 666 at all cost because it leads to permanent hell.

If you're about to be marked, pray the Jesus prayer. Hide with Orthodox Christians to escape 666; leave all electronics behind so that antichrist's minions can't track you. Burn documents because they're from Satan. Give to charity in the name of Archangel Michael; he rescues people from temporary hell twice a year (or brings them up a level, that is, to a level with less punishment; eventually, people are freed). Feed the pigeons; when pigeons bow down, people are saved from temporary hell. Forgive me.



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Nous
2017-02-17 15:20:20 UTC
The government of the United States of America is, in no sense, founded on the Christian religion. Treaty of Tripoli, Article 11. Ratified unanimously by the senate and signed by founding father and second president, John Adams, in 1797.



“The purpose of separation of church and state is to keep forever from these shores the ceaseless strife that has soaked the soil of Europe in blood for centuries. ― James Madison



"Christianity is not my religion." - A. Lincoln “The Bible is not my book nor Christianity my profession”. - Abraham Lincoln



"Christianity is the most perverted system that ever shone on man." Thomas Jefferson



“Of all the animosities which have existed among mankind, those which are caused by a difference of sentiments in religion appear to be the most inveterate and distressing, and ought most to be deprecated”. George Washington



“The way to see by faith is to shut the eye of reason” - Benjamin Franklin



lighthouses are more useful than churches." - Benjamin Franklin



“I have examined all the known superstitions of the world, and I do not find in our particular superstition of Christianity one redeeming feature. They are all alike founded on fables and mythology”. - Thomas Jefferson



“During almost fifteen centuries has the legal establishment of Christianity been on trial. What has been its fruits? More or less, in all places, pride and indolence in the clergy; ignorance and servility in the laity; in both, superstition, bigotry and persecution." - James Madison



“The purpose of separation of church and state is to keep forever from these shores the ceaseless strife that has soaked the soil of Europe with blood for centuries”. - James Madison



“I do not believe in the divinity of Christ, and there are many other of the postulates of the orthodox creed to which I cannot subscribe” - William Howard Taft



“The divinity of Jesus is made a convenient cover for absurdity. Nowhere in the Gospels do we find a precept for Creeds, Confessions, Oaths, Doctrines, and whole carloads of other foolish trumpery that we find in Christianity”. - John Adams



"This would be the best of all possible worlds, if there were no religion in it." - John Adams "The divinity of Jesus is made a convenient cover for absurdity." - John Adams
Hunter. ✞
2017-02-17 13:02:00 UTC
When you're at war with a country with a superior navy, lighthouses are important.



When you guys quote mine and all out lie about your position how right can it be?



Mostly all of the founding fathers were Christians, you're just gonna have to deal with that fact.
Gregory
2017-02-17 12:40:12 UTC
it was founded on christian principles from the bible.



your a liar the founding fathers say differently



george washington said o the distinguished character of Patriot, it should be our highest glory to add the more distinguished character of Christian."

--The Writings of Washington, pp. 342-343



john addams said



"Suppose a nation in some distant Region should take the Bible for their only law Book, and every member should regulate his conduct by the precepts there exhibited!

Every member would be obliged in conscience, to temperance, frugality, and industry; to justice, kindness, and charity towards his fellow men; and to piety, love, and reverence toward Almighty God ... What a Eutopia, what a Paradise would this region be."

--Diary and Autobiography of John Adams, Vol. III, p. 9.





14 more founding fathers quotes

http://christianity.about.com/od/independenceday/a/foundingfathers.htm
2017-02-17 12:37:01 UTC
Separation of church and state was meant to protect the rights of believers and not to be used to ban Christian activites as is the case today
Luke
2017-02-17 12:33:55 UTC
The United States started out as a grand experiment in a new type of government.



However, the current politicians are doing their best to undo the work laid down by your founding fathers.



The current politicians would have more in common with King George III than with George Washington.
2017-02-17 12:33:39 UTC
Some basic Christian beliefs are justice for all, acceptance, caring for those who are unable to care for themselves, don't murder, or steal. whether you call them Christian rules or not, how can any of those things not be good for a country?


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