Question:
Evolution?
~Brianna~
2006-08-12 23:18:36 UTC
Why do people still believe in evolution, when Darwin himself did not believe the theory to be true? And there is no evidence for it anyways.......
I'm sure there are alot of reasons why people believe it, but I was just wondering
46 answers:
2006-08-12 23:20:55 UTC
Wow! You are so ignorant!!!



There's no proof for god. There's an overwhelming amount of proof for Darwin's theory, which he DID believe. There's fossils, carbon dating, geographical clues, and all kinds of proof! And we witness such things in our own day too. When a child is born with 6 fingers instead of five, or 3 arms instead of 2, this is called a mutation. most of the ones we see are not beneficial, but when they are, it makes that creature more fit to survive, and when it mates and passes the gene on, more and more have that particular feature until they all do because the weaker ones without it all died off. Chance mutations and survival of the fittest. Easy to believe, and we have a lot of proof.



Why do people still believe in the bible literally, I wonder. It says earth is only what, 6, 000 years? or was it 2, 000? Some freakishly low number anyway, and with carbon dating science has PROVED that it is most definitely around 4 billion years old. Explain that one, and learn to check your facts! There is a lot of proof for evolution, and none for your god.
laetusatheos
2006-08-12 23:23:16 UTC
If you read Origins of the Species you will see that Darwin did believe his theory was true but also thought it needed further work. Further work has been done on the theory and it is now backed up by mountains of evidence. A good site to start if you would like to learn what evolution is about and why scientists and others consider it valid http://evolution.berkeley.edu/ is a great source that is free from religious or non-religious bias. If you don't mind a little bias (ie arguments against creationism) http://www.talkorigins.org is also another great source.



Considering some of the answers I saw to your question, I think it is important to point out that a person can have a belief in God (even be a Christian) and still accept evolution as valid.



"I have a question, does anyone know more about how gravity and the sun traveling is evidence of evolution? Is it supposed to be evidence or the big bang theory or something?"



It's not part of the evidence of evolution. The sun is stationary in our solar system and the other planets travel around the sun but in respect to the universe the sun is traveling with the rest of the solar system. I'm not exactly sure what you are referring to here, but the expansion of the solar system is part of the BB theory. Here is a short intro to the BB http://www.superstringtheory.com/cosmo/cosmo3.html the rest of the site is very interesting too if you want more info on cosmology and string/m theory.
2006-08-12 23:31:10 UTC
okay...first of all, evolution is not a religion, but a theory. There is proof out there that supports evolution, but it is a matter of people believing it is true. Bible thumpers turn it down because they only believe that god made the earth in 7 days. Scientifically, it is impossible. Technically, you cannot prove that the earth was created in 7 days, so that would be a theory too (which is considered Creationism) Why would Darwin reject his own theory? Even then, where did the dinosaurs come from? We have their bones, but they arent in the bible. Where did all the billions of years of fossils come from? The earth according to the bible is around 6,000 years old. Funny, that we would have billions of years in fossils but dont come from anywhere. Evolution is a true living proof of the earth and besides, the bible isnt true word, but a guide for life that should help a person live their life, not worship it and believe its every word. The thing isnt even in the original text it started out with.
Bill K Atheist Goodfella
2006-08-12 23:30:27 UTC
First of all, the belief that Darwin didn't believe in his work is unfounded. The only person to claim that was his sister, a devout christian, and there has never...I repeat NEVER any evidence of this claim. It's been blown out of proportion by people who fear the truth of his work.



Secondly, people believe in evolution because there is evidence to support the theory. Hundreds of fossils prove it occurs. There was evidence of it just a few months ago...finches on the galapagos island evolved their beaks in such a way that it makes them more able to compete for food. Its called microevolution...a term brought about by the church, in an attempt to invalidate the theory of evolution. Microevolution is a small change in a species, specific to the region it lives in...it explains why people who live in equatorial or desert regions have darker skin than those who live in forested areas. It also won't turn up in the fossil record, because they're very small genetic changes. Macroevolution is the culmination of these changes.



Gravity and the sun traveling around the sun are both examples of theory also...do you discount them? You need to understand the way science works. When evidence is found, and theories are put forth, they are tested rigorously by many, many people. When things are proven wrong, more work is done until the true answer is found...and then you move forward. With faith, if even one detail of the god belief is invalidated, the whole thing crumbles. The only way to stop this, is to go back to the stories (of which no evidence exists to support in the first place) and change the meaning of the words, so that the view of the faith fits the reality of the world.
virginiamayoaunt
2006-08-12 23:42:27 UTC
You know to answer your question about creation, and evolution, and Darwin's theory has been debated for many years. I am scared to doubt the "creation" theory. You know we have to look, and have a mind set that the creation is real. We know that the scientists do not believe in the creation because of the billions, and billions of years before man even appeared. The big bang theory about our earth is horse ****. The only thing that bothers me is the fact why did it take so lone for man to either be created,or evolved. Are people like Plato, Socates, that never knew a God. Are they in Hell. Our universe is "infinate"; and the way the scientist tell it we are small compared to what is out there. This is not the only Universe according to them.

Me, I cannot believe that in all the theories that we are not here alone. Take "death: for instance. I have a jewish friend that say when we die that we " have come and went, period".
2006-08-13 01:18:04 UTC
So you think it is more conceivable that noah, put some 6 billion species of life on a boat and distributed them throughout the world where they are now located? Sure, science can't prove everything exactly right to the date of millions of years ago, but the whole noah story is so convincing. I'm converted!!!!!
upallnite
2006-08-12 23:22:46 UTC
YOUR E_MAIL IS BLOCKED. PLEASE E_MAIL ME YOUR E_MAIL ADDRESS IF YOU WANT THE ANSWER TO THE QUESTION YOU ASKED ME.





noticed you are 15. You will not get into evolution in science untill you are in collage. Most schools avoid the topic because religious families cause problems when they do.



I have been debating the subject for some time now. If you run accross something feel free to bounce it off of me. I will provide links to my evidence so that you can form your own opinion.



“Macro-Evolution”

The separation of evolution into micro and macro first came from Iurii Filipchenko in 1927. This is an artificial distinction that stands no reason. You would not separate a small amount of water in a cup and a large amount of water in a cup, then say that there is no evidence that applying several small cups of water would become a large cup of water.

That is why in 1937 Theodosius Dobzhansky stated that the two should be considered the same. A similar term used today is speciation. How could we separate micro and macro evolution? They both happen for the same reasons and in the same manor. There is no magic line that separates the two. Macroevolution is simply a lot of microevolution happening until the species has changed. Speciation has been documented as happening in nature and laboratories.



You asked for where to start, here you go...

FOSSILS

(http://www.mnh.si.edu/anthro/humanorigins/ha/erg.html

(http://www.nytimes.com/2006/04/06/science/06fossil.html?ex=1301976000&en=76a1b46221b5cc6a&ei=5090&partner=rssuserland&emc=rss&pagewanted=all )



SPECIATION (macro-evolution)

( http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/faq-speciation.html#part5 )



OTHER Helpful Information

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/modern-synthesis.html

http://www.news.harvard.edu/gazette/2006/03.02/11-evolution.html

http://www.discover.com/issues/feb-05/cover/

http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/summary/310/5756/1869

http://www.florigene.com.au/news/news.php AKA: The impossible





Let me know if there is anything you would like to bounce off of me.
Joe Schmo from Kokomo
2006-08-12 23:40:30 UTC
Hello, they have this new channel on the T.V. it's called the Science Channel, you might want to check it out. Australopithecus afarensis, etc, Did no one on this site study Geology and/or Anthropologhy? Come on, ya'll are just pulling my chain, no evolution? It is really getting thick now. Somebody needs to do a Web search for the "Scopes Monkey Trail", circa 1925.
2006-08-12 23:24:02 UTC
Why do people believe in creatinism when its followers blindly adhere to it and try to convince others that it is true? The truth is that I nor any one else trully know how this world was created. Although I believe and love G-d beyond words, I understand the truth of evolution and see it as a tool that G0d created to create this world. Only He would be able to make evolution, it is something that we humans cannot understand.

Besides, according to Genesis...Adam and Eve (A&E) felt ashamed to be naked...then how come some indigenous tribes go completely naked to this day, should the shame of nakedness apply to them or not? Ignorance is not an excuse, since we should ALL should feel the same shame if we descend from A&E.
whosyodaddy3030
2006-08-12 23:23:14 UTC
Have you been living under a rock? Darwin believed it, that was a rumor started by Lady Hope to denounce his theory. There's also plenty of evidence for evolution. The Bible isn't the only book in the world, open a science book some time.
R. F
2006-08-12 23:28:17 UTC
It's true that they're still finding holes in Darwin's theories. Yahoo news just had a clip about Darwin finches who evolved new beaks in 20 years and clams that adapted a thicker shell in a few generation. Lemur research has shown that a dominant male comes in and changes the bloodline in one generation. So the theory is far from complete, just like most of the half-baked, artificially maintained BS that they feed us in school. The question to me (not that I care enough to waste 5 points :) is, "Why do people still believe some white haired dude in sheets sat down with a handful of mud and created humans?"
savvy s
2006-08-12 23:29:52 UTC
Darwin Did Believe In Evolution. He Was a Nut Case Just Like Who Still Believe In evolution
Back Porch Willy
2006-08-12 23:48:30 UTC
Mostly because they are products of our public education system. They accept what they are told by authority figures and never question the motive/agenda behind the story.



I'm not going to argue the point except to say that "evolution" is a theory, just as "intelligent design" is a theory and "creationism" is a theory.





The following definition of the word might be useful:



the·o·ry:



A set of statements or principles devised to explain a group of facts.



Abstract reasoning; speculation:



An assumption based on limited information or knowledge; a conjecture.
cellm8te
2006-08-13 00:11:13 UTC
He who ask a question is a fool for five minutes; he who does not ask a question remains a fool forever! That's a Chinese proverb. In your case, lady brianna, since you posted this question on yahoo answer without researching your claims, you'll remain a fool forever. There's enough evidence to fill every buildings in your town that supports the theory of evolution. You simply refuse to accept them because of your religious beliefs.
holidayspice
2006-08-12 23:25:49 UTC
Go back to school, there is overwhelming evidence supporting evolution. And Darwin fully supported his theory, despite religious slander that said otherwise.



Edit: So you make claims without knowing the facts? Why does this not surprise me. Look up homology. A middle school biology class could easily supply you with the information, it's obvious you weren't paying attention. If you actually payed attention to the information, you wouldn't be writing these bullshit claims.
sapphire in the rough
2006-08-12 23:25:14 UTC
I totally agree with Jeffo. People still believe in evolution because there is more and more physical and scientific evidence that it exists. You look at a skull from 10,000 years ago of an "ape man" and look at a skull of us today. Its the same thing as comparing a skull of a zebra or a donkey and a horse (or a dog and a wolf). They're not the same thing but they have such similar characteristics that you can't deny that they are of same species. Do some research, check out national geographic. There's plenty of evidence on it.
koresh419
2006-08-12 23:29:45 UTC
Have you bothered to research evolution at all, or do you just parrot what your pastor tells you? Ignorance is understandable, nobody knows everything. But you don't even bother to admit your ignorance. You don't bother getting an education.



Do you think you know more about biology without even finishing high school, than the people who have finished numerous doctorates and spent decades studying the field? These people have been studying biology longer than you've been alive, and yet you dismiss them and arrogantly think yourself to have all the knowledge that could possibly be acquired.



Tell you what, go to college and get a B.S. in biology, then we'll see how readily you dismiss evolution.
2006-08-12 23:23:23 UTC
Hmmm, what are all the archeologists doing then? Digging up dog bones? There's been plenty of evidence of pre-history and that man evolved, if not from monkeys from some other mammal.

You may believe in the Bible, but in that respect whose to say that isn't just something someone wrote and not God & his disciples themselves? Do you have evidence of this fact?
William H
2006-08-12 23:35:40 UTC
Darwin at the end of his life stated in letters to his wife his regret and questioned his theory.



Science classes for the most part are what atheists like to throw around as brainwashed! Not just brainwashing the students but I think the teachers are tricked as well. They just keep stating this is a fact ....yet no one has any of these facts/proof anywhere!



I hope the recent evidence and continuing evidence will help some of the evolutionist's convert to fact and truth.



unanswered questions disproving evolution ....



No intermediate fossil's

Irreducible Complexity

age of the earth

information theory etc, etc, etc......
2006-08-12 23:30:52 UTC
Don't lie. Darwin did believe in evolution, to say that he did not is dishonest. There is so much evidence of evolution that it is no longer a theory, it is a proven fact.
camille s
2006-08-12 23:27:53 UTC
There is no reason why Christians could not also believe in evolution. While I believe in creation, I also know that God is bound by the scientific laws of nature. Who knows how long his "six days" were but I do know that however long it took it was done according to the laws of nature.
beth l
2006-08-12 23:30:14 UTC
I cannot say what Darwin believed, but for myself, evolution has been proved. That said, I am still a Christian. I believe God has evolved us according to his needs. We did not meet his needs for communication (or whatever God feels his needs are) as primates so he evolved us into humans. And who is to say God's needs do not change and he will need not more, thereby, evolving us into something more?
♥Mira♥
2006-08-12 23:25:22 UTC
Ah, the old "there's no evidence" thing. Try looking somewhere besides in the bible. I'm too tired to argue the point tonite.
2006-08-12 23:23:09 UTC
It's a religion just like others. They will defend it no matter what. They look for evidence to support the belief rather than let evidence speak what it really means. Same way religions read only the passages in the context they want it to potray in support of their beliefs.



If you take science and the bible in the right context, it seems to compliment each other.
Green visitor is back :D
2006-08-12 23:43:19 UTC
It's obvious to me that you yourself don't believe in evolution and this, if true, is absolutely right.

This theory is totally wrong, I can't imagine that all of this universe, with the creatures in it, with this accuracy made itself by just a chance. The science itself refuses this, and if you studied statistics, and sure you did, you'll know that it's just impossible for the universe to creat itself by just a chance.



For more details, I recommend this site for you:

http://www.harunyahya.com/c_refutation_darwinism.php
Ariey
2006-08-12 23:28:25 UTC
Um thats not true. His theories where based on evolution therefore he had to believe in it. And there is alot of evidence. Maybe you have been in a hole or a cave. Because they have bones and thats more concrete then anything else anyone else has.
Dawg Vader
2006-08-12 23:40:16 UTC
Darwin didn;t recant, but he questioned himself like most people do onetime or another in thier life.



As for Evolution. if it is true, why do most respected scientists no longer believe it and now subscribe to the 'Intelligent Design' Theory?
mistress_piper
2006-08-12 23:28:08 UTC
"And there is no evidence for it anyways....... "



I can't believe you actually said this. How old are you? Did you sleep through all of your science classes? There are hundreds of thousands of research papers on evolution relating to every possible species.



Grow a brain cell, sister. The one you have needs another one to keep it company.
2006-08-13 00:32:21 UTC
Creationists go to great lengths to discredit evolution. One method that they use is 'quote mining', where they take scientists' quotes out-of-context. For example, you noted that Darwin said "To suppose that the eye could have been formed by natural selection, seems I freely confess, absurd in the highest degree." Indeed, he did say that. What they neglected to mention, though, was that Darwin spent the next 3 paragraphs explaining HOW the eye could have been formed by natural selection.



Regarding Darwin recanting the theory on his death bed, or in letters to his wife... lies, all.



First of all, evolution is strictly a biological science. It has nothing whatsoever to do with or to say about the origins of the universe or the world. It has nothing whatsoever to do with the origins of life. It has only to do with changes to the genetic makeup of populations of organisms, over time. If you want know what the current scientific thinking is on the origins of life, go look up 'abiogenesis'.



Scientific theories are not just 'ideas', as the scientifically illiterate seem to regard them. Scientific theories provide an explanatory framework for observed facts. The theory of Evolution provides an explanatory framework for the OBSERVED FACT of changes to the genetic makeup of populations of organisms, over time. The mechanisms that has been identified... AND OBSERVED... to account for those changes are 'genetic drift' (statistical variations in allele frequency), and genetic mutations (random), operated on by 'natural selection' (NOT random). In other words, the non-random survival of randomly varying replicators.



So, evolution EXPLAINS facts... it does not INVENT facts... and its 'explanatory power' is unprecedented, so far as theories go. But insofar as science is concerned, evolution is 'fact'.



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"In science, 'fact' can only mean 'confirmed to such a degree that it would be perverse to withhold provisional assent.'" ~ Stephen Jay Gould

************



'Intelligent design' is not a 'theory'... it has no explanatory power, it makes no predictions that can be verified by experiment or observation. It is a 'red herring'... a 'Trojan Horse'... creationism wrapped up in a pretty package, and re-labeled 'science'. The crux of Intelligent Design is to say that at the point where science just starts to get interesting, we throw up our hands and declare "That's too complicated. God must have done it." It is specifically intended to UNDERMINE science, in general, and evolution, in particular. A part of the strategy is to create, among the scientifically naive, the ILLUSION that there is a scientific controversy about evolution when, in fact, there is none. This devious strategy is laid out in writing, in the 'Wedge Strategy':



http://www.antievolution.org/features/wedge.html



A claim such as intelligent design is not a scientific theory, but pseudo-science which is any body of knowledge, methodology, or practice that is erroneously regarded as scientific.



Pseudo-science fails to meet the criteria met by science generally (including the scientific method), and can be identified by a combination of these characteristics:



* by asserting claims or theories unconnected to previous experimental results;

* by asserting claims which cannot be verified or falsified (claims that violate falsifiability);

* by asserting claims which contradict experimentally established results;

* by failing to provide an experimental possibility of reproducible results;

* by failing to submit results to peer review prior to publicizing them (called "science by press conference")

* by claiming a theory predicts something that it does not;

* by claiming a theory predicts something that it has not been shown to predict; or

* by a lack of progress toward additional evidence of its claims.



As you see, Creationism and/or ID easily can be identified with one or more of the characteristics shown above and therefore, cannot be regarded as a part of scientific teaching in our public schools. It would be easy to attribute Intelligent Design to intellectual laziness... but sadly, that is not the case. It is a conspiracy... a carefully crafted and skillfully orchestrated public relations campaign with a hidden agenda, designed to create the illusion of there being a 'scientific controversy' where no such controversy actually exists. The objective is to sabotage science... to reintroduce religion to the public schools via subversion. The saddest thing about it is that a large percentage of Americans ARE intellectually lazy, and generally ignorant of the concept and processes of critical thought. They (enthusiastically) fall for this nonsense.
MaqAtak
2006-08-12 23:30:52 UTC
Evolution is fact. It is creationism theory that is totally unsupported by any facts.

Fact means something exists. Faith is only believing what you're told. They are as different as fire and ice and cannot be compared.

Tell your preacher to can it, and your school to teach you how think.
Indigo
2006-08-12 23:25:27 UTC
You are blind if you think there is no evidence...and this is like asking why you still believe in a god when there is no evidence an invisible sky being at all.
hutson
2006-08-13 23:05:21 UTC
It takes far more faith to believe in Darwinian evolution than it does to believe in creation and intelligent design. There is a lot more evidence for creation and intelligent design than there is for Darwinian evolution. A lot of people believe in the theory of Darwinian evolution because they were (and are still being) taught this theory in school. This theory should no longer be taught now that modern science is continueously disproving it. At the time Darwin came up with the theory science was not able to disprove it. Darwin's theory of evolution has not been proven, and now thanks to modern science it is being disproven. Only 9% of the world population now believes in Darwinian evolution.



Scientific evidence casts serious doubts on the theory of evolution, for example:



*Perry Marshall vs. 30+ Skeptics:

From August 2005 to July 2006, he has successfully defended the Information Theory argument for Intelligent Design on Infidels, the world’s largest atheist discussion board.

http://www.cosmicfingerprints.com/iidb.htm



* The Problem of Information

for the Theory of Evolution

http://www.trueorigin.org/dawkinfo.asp



* Information Theory and the Origin of DNA: Frequently Asked Questions

http://www.cosmicfingerprints.com/infotheoryqa.htm



* Biological Evidence

Evolution - Fact or Faith?

http://www.case-creation.org.uk/biolo1.html



*The Case for Intelligent Evolution

http://www.cosmicfingerprints.com/intelligent_evolution.pdf



* If you can read this, I can prove God exists

http://www.cosmicfingerprints.com/ifyoucanreadthis.htm



* Do real scientists believe in Creation?

Partial list of Creation Scientists

http://www.christiananswers.net/q-eden/edn-scientists.html



* New Scientific Evidence for the Existence of God

http://www.cosmicfingerprints.com/audio/newevidence.htm



* How the theory of evolution breaks down in the light of modern science

http://www.darwinismrefuted.com/index.html



* Famous atheist now believes in God

http://www.sciencefindsgod.com/famous-atheist-now-believes-in-god.htm



* Darwinism's Rules of Reasoning

http://www.arn.org/docs/johnson/drr.htm



* Darwinism Is Strongly Rooted But Is Being Challenged

http://www.straight-talk.net/evolution/summary.shtml



* Evidence for Intelligent Design

http://www.straight-talk.net/evolution/intelligent-design.shtml



* Scientific arguments against evolution:

Science itself refutes Darwinism

http://www.straight-talk.net/evolution/arguments.shtml



* Creation Science

http://www.straight-talk.net/evolution/creationscience.shtml



* The Origins of Darwinism

http://www.straight-talk.net/evolution/origins.shtml



* Irreducible complexity

http://www.straight-talk.net/evolution/irreducible.htm



* Anthropic Principle

http://www.straight-talk.net/evolution/anthropic.htm



* Biological Evidence

http://www.straight-talk.net/evolution/biology.htm



* Darwinism is Racist

http://www.straight-talk.net/evolution/racist.shtml



* The Fossil Record (Updated 3 July, 2005)

http://www.straight-talk.net/evolution/fossil.htm



* Living "Fossils"

http://www.straight-talk.net/evolution/living.htm



* The Cambrian Explosion

http://www.straight-talk.net/evolution/explosion.htm



* New T.Rex Discoveries (Updated 10 June, 2005)

http://www.straight-talk.net/evolution/t-rex.htm



* "Missing Links"

http://www.straight-talk.net/evolution/misslinks.htm



* The Moon

http://www.straight-talk.net/evolution/moon.htm



* Earth's Fight Against Solar Attacks

http://www.straight-talk.net/evolution/earthfight.htm



* References

http://www.straight-talk.net/evolution/references.shtml



*DNA and the Origin of Life:

Information, Specification, and Explanation

http://www.discovery.org/scripts/viewDB/filesDB-download.php?command=download&id=1026



* Looking for more information on Intelligent Design?

http://www.arn.org/index.html
2006-08-12 23:24:39 UTC
If you're talking about that whole "Darwin recanted in his death bed" thing, you need to do a little research and not just go on what your preacher told you, figuring you wouldn't look it up anyway.
jeffo
2006-08-12 23:21:15 UTC
Darwin very much believed in Evolution. Maybe you are refering to his Dual belief in God?



He believed in Evolution and he was Christian. His greatest fears were that Christians would not be able to understand, to adapt to his findings. So far his greatest fears have been realized. There are a growing number of Christians who also accept evolution in some form, but many still close their minds to it.
Peace
2006-08-12 23:36:05 UTC
Here's something I read about evolution.....
stronzo5785
2006-08-12 23:22:53 UTC
I think that it suffices for faith in science, rather than God. Many people, for whatever reason, are uncomfortable with the idea of an omnipotent, omnipresent, and omniscient Being who created them and cares for them. Evolution enables many people to feel as though there is a reason for their existence other than at the mercy and grace of God.



Make sense?
John
2006-08-12 23:22:27 UTC
It appears that Darwin did believe his theory to be true (though he really did not prove anything in his book Origin of Species).

--

I have spent hundreds of hours looking into the topic of evolution (reading books, articles; materials from both sides; dialoging with many individuals etc).



Invariably I have found that any proof that is offered is for micro*evolution, not macro*evolution.

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Darwinism is basically a statement of Atheist Faith.



As Evolutionist Stephen J. Gould has stated, evolutionists "know" that Evolution has occurred; however, there is controversy about the mechanisms involved. In other words, evolutionists are arguing and fighting about the mechanisms involved.



This is code-speak for the fact that evolutionists "believe" that evolution happened without God, but they dont really know exactly how. They have a bunch of conjectures and speculations, but they do not have empirical proof of atheistic macro*evolution.



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There is no evidence that proves Atheistic MacroEvolution (without Intelligent Design)...



I used to believe in Evolution. However, over a period of time I have grown skeptical of the claims of Macro*Evolution... this is largely due to the weakness of the evidence for Macro*Evolution, and the fact that the evidence, rationally interpreted does not support the overarching claims made by Macro*Evolutionists...



For scientific and intellectual critiques of evolution, see http://www.godsci.org/gsi/apol/evo/00.html .



Is Evolution a FACT? Not really -- not in the macro*evolutionary sense. See http://www.godsci.org/gsi/apol/evo/evofaq2.html for relevant discussion.





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I find that the vast majority of people who believe in evolution, do so by faith and authority.



Faith -- because atheistic macro*evolution is a faith; and Authority -- because they believe in the word of "experts" in the field, rather than truly understanding the evidence themselves.



Cordially,

John
unicorn
2006-08-12 23:27:32 UTC
Darwin did believe in evolution, but he was wrong.

Today most of the atheist can't explain how fossils are dated or how species are grouped. They cannot explain where or how life started. They cannot explain the huge gaps in the fossil record or why there are mass extinctions instead of slow gradual extinctions.



In other words, Atheist have a blind faith. They refuse to learn about God. Instead they choose to remain in the dark.
de bossy one
2006-08-12 23:26:59 UTC
what church did you just fall out of? is it the same one pope jp2 came from. he still thought anyone who wasn't a worshipor of his would be going to hell. and he thought he had all the answers, too.
Salvation is a gift, Eph 2:8-9
2006-08-12 23:29:17 UTC
Amen, sis-ta!



Darwin did denounce his theory, (get that: theory...not fact) after all...he was a Christian!



Sometimes, people will hold on to the lies they are told. They are just silly that way. The great liar has been whispering into their ears (and hearts) and they have bought the lie...hook...line and sinker.



Here's one for you...



Science vs. God



A Scientist is talking w/ God and tells him:



We have formed a man in your own image and breathed life into his nostrils.



We don't need you, anymore.



God replies, really... Interesting, show me.



So the Scientist bends over the earth and starts to form a man from the dirt.



God says, Oh...no, no, no.



Get your own dirt!







God is the greatest Scientist! That's why we as humans, are still asking questions. We have so much more to learn from Him!!!
2006-08-12 23:24:19 UTC
I can see you are the product of learning science in chruch.
nonexistentdog
2006-08-13 00:06:55 UTC
There is no proof for evolution. Plenty of proof for God.
2006-08-13 06:54:30 UTC
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2006-08-12 23:24:10 UTC
Jim Darwin refuted his theory of evolution on his deathbed. His daughter denied it, because of course she didnt want the world to know her dad was a fake.
2006-08-13 01:22:30 UTC
why cant both be true?
Mac Momma
2006-08-13 23:59:22 UTC
First off, Darwin is NOT the beginning and end of evolutionary theory. He was not the first person to think of it, and it has been expanded upon GREATLY since his death. He is just the most famous.



Many people learned in elementary school that a theory falls in the middle of a hierarchy of certainty— above a mere hypothesis but below a law. Scientists do not use the terms that way, however. According to the National Academy of Sciences (NAS), a scientific theory is “a well-substantiated explanation of some aspect of the natural world that can incorporate facts, laws, inferences, and tested hypotheses.” No amount of validation changes a theory into a law, which is a descriptive generalization about nature. So when scientists talk about the theory of evolution—or the atomic theory or the theory of relativity, for that matter—they are not expressing reservations about its truth. In addition to the theory of evolution, meaning the idea of descent with modification, one may also speak of the fact of evolution. The NAS defines a fact as “an observation that has been repeatedly confirmed and for all practical purposes is accepted as ‘true.’” The fossil record and abundant other evidence testify that organisms have evolved through time. Although no one observed those transformations, the indirect evidence is clear, unambiguous and compelling. All sciences frequently rely on indirect evidence. Physicists cannot see subatomic particles directly, for instance, so they verify their existence by watching for telltale tracks that the particles leave in cloud chambers. The absence of direct observation does not make physicists’ conclusions less certain.



“Survival of the fittest” is a conversational way to describe natural selection, but a more technical description speaks of differential rates of survival and reproduction. That is, rather than labeling species as more or less fit one can describe how many offspring they are likely to leave under given circumstances. Drop a fast-breeding pair of small-beaked finches and a slower-breeding pair of large-beaked finches onto an island full of food seeds. Within a few generations the fast breeders may control more of the food resources. Yet if large beaks more easily crush seeds, the advantage may tip to the slow breeders. In a pioneering study of finches on the Galápagos Islands, Peter R. Grant of Princeton University observed these kinds of population shifts in the wild [see his article “Natural Selection and Darwin’s Finches”; Scientific American, October 1991]. The key is that adaptive fitness can be defined without reference to survival: large beaks are better adapted for crushing seeds, irrespective of whether that trait has survival value under the circumstances.



Some people say, “if we evolved from monkeys, why are there still monkeys around?”

This surprisingly common argument reflects several levels of ignorance about evolution. The first mistake is that evolution does not teach that humans descended from monkeys; it states that both have a common ancestor. The deeper error is that this objection is tantamount to asking, “If children descended from adults, why are there still adults?” New species evolve by splintering off from established ones, when populations of organisms become isolated from the main branch of their family and acquire sufficient differences to remain forever distinct. The parent species may survive indefinitely thereafter, or it may become extinct.





Evolutionary biologists have written extensively about how natural selection could produce new species. For instance, in the model called allopatry, developed by Ernst Mayr of Harvard University, if a population of organisms were isolated from the rest of its species by geographical boundaries, it might be subjected to different selective pressures. Changes would accumulate in the isolated population. If those changes became so significant that the splinter group could not or routinely would not breed with the original stock, then the splinter group would be reproductively isolated and on its way toward becoming a new species. Natural selection is the best studied of the evolutionary mechanisms, but biologists are open to other possibilities as well. Biologists are constantly assessing the potential of unusual genetic mechanisms for causing speciation or for producing complex features in organisms. Lynn Margulis of the University of Massachusetts at Amherst and others have persuasively argued that some cellular organelles, such as the energy-generating mitochondria, evolved through the symbiotic merger of ancient organisms. Thus, science welcomes the possibility of evolution resulting from forces beyond natural selection. Yet those forces must be natural; they cannot be attributed to the actions of mysterious creative intelligences whose existence, in scientific terms, is unproved.



Speciation is probably fairly rare and in many cases might take centuries. Furthermore, recognizing a new species during a formative stage can be difficult, because biologists sometimes disagree about how best to define a species. The most widely used definition, Mayr’s Biological Species Concept, recognizes a species as a distinct community of reproductively isolated populations—sets of organisms that normally do not or cannot breed outside their community. In practice, this standard can be difficult to apply to organisms isolated by distance or terrain or to plants (and, of course, fossils do not breed). Biologists therefore usually use organisms’ physical and behavioral traits as clues to their species membership. Nevertheless, the scientific literature does contain reports of apparent speciation events in plants, insects and worms. In most of these experiments, researchers subjected organisms to various types of selection—for anatomical differences, mating behaviors, habitat preferences and other traits—and found that they had created populations of organisms that did not breed with outsiders. For example, William R. Rice of the University of New Mexico and George W. Salt of the University of California at Davis demonstrated that if they sorted a group of fruit flies by their preference for certain environments and bred those flies separately over 35 generations, the resulting flies would refuse to breed with those from a very different environment.



Some Creationists say that evolutionists cannot point to any transitional fossils—creatures that are half reptile and half bird, for instance. Actually, paleontologists know of many detailed examples of fossils intermediate in form between various taxonomic groups. One of the most famous fossils of all time is Archaeopteryx, which combines feathers and skeletal structures peculiar to birds with features of dinosaurs. A flock’s worth of other feathered fossil species, some more avian and some less, has also been found. A sequence of fossils spans the evolution of modern horses from the tiny Eohippus. Whales had four-legged ancestors that walked on land, and creatures known as Ambulocetus and Rodhocetus helped to make that transition [see “The Mammals That Conquered the Seas,” by Kate Wong; Scientific American, May]. Fossil seashells trace the evolution of various mollusks through millions of years. Perhaps 20 or more hominids (not all of them our ancestors) fill the gap between Lucy the australopithecine and modern humans. Creationists, though, dismiss these fossil studies. They argue that Archaeopteryx is not a missing link between reptiles and birds—it is just an extinct bird with reptilian features. They want evolutionists to produce a weird, chimeric monster that cannot be classified as belonging to any known group. Even if a creationist does accept a fossil as transitional between two species, he or she may then insist on seeing other fossils intermediate between it and the first two. These frustrating requests can proceed ad infinitum and place an unreasonable burden on the always incomplete fossil record. Nevertheless, evolutionists can cite further supportive evidence from molecular biology. All organisms share most of the same genes, but as evolution predicts, the structures of these genes and their products diverge among species, in keeping with their evolutionary relationships. Geneticists speak of the “molecular clock” that records the passage of time. These molecular data also show how various organisms are transitional within evolution.



Evolutionary biologists passionately debate diverse topics: how speciation happens, the rates of evolutionary change, the ancestral relationships of birds and dinosaurs, whether Neandertals were a species apart from modern humans, and much more. These disputes are like those found in all other branches of science. Acceptance of evolution as a factual occurrence and a guiding principle is nonetheless universal in biology. Unfortunately, dishonest creationists have shown a willingness to take scientists’ comments out of context to exaggerate and distort the disagreements. Anyone acquainted with the works of paleontologist Stephen Jay Gould of Harvard University knows that in addition to co-authoring the punctuated-equilibrium model, Gould was one of the most eloquent defenders and articulators of evolution. (Punctuated equilibrium explains patterns in the fossil record by suggesting that most evolutionary changes occur within geologically brief intervals which may nonetheless amount to hundreds of generations.) Yet creationists delight in dissecting out phrases from Gould’s voluminous prose to make him sound as though he had doubted evolution, and they present punctuated equilibrium as though it allows new species to materialize overnight or birds to be born from reptile eggs. When confronted with a quotation from a scientific authority that seems to question evolution, insist on seeing the statement in context. Almost invariably, the attack on evolution will prove illusory.



The origin of life remains very much a mystery, but biochemists have learned about how primitive nucleic acids, amino acids and other building blocks of life could have formed and organized themselves into selfreplicating, self-sustaining units, laying the foundation for cellular biochemistry. Astrochemical analyses hint that quantities of these compounds might have originated in space and fallen to earth in comets, a scenario that may solve the problem of how those constituents arose under the conditions that prevailed when our planet was young. Creationists sometimes try to invalidate all of evolution by pointing to science’s current inability to explain the origin of life. But even if life on earth turned out to have a nonevolutionary origin (for instance, if aliens introduced the first cells billions of years ago), evolution since then would be robustly confirmed by countless microevolutionary and macroevolutionary studies.



Creationists say that mathematically, it is inconceivable that anything as

complex as a protein, let alone a living cell or a human, could spring up by chance.

Chance plays a part in evolution (for example, in the random mutations that can give rise to new traits), but evolution does not depend on chance to create organisms, proteins or other entities. Quite the opposite: natural selection, the principal known mechanism of evolution, harnesses nonrandom change by preserving “desirable” (adaptive) features and eliminating “undesirable” (nonadaptive) ones. As long as the forces of selection stay constant, natural selection can push evolution in one direction and produce sophisticated structures in surprisingly short times. As an analogy, consider the 13-letter sequence “TOBEORNOTTOBE.” Those hypothetical million monkeys, each pecking out one phrase a second, could take as long as 78,800 years to find it among the 2613 sequences of that length. But in the 1980s Richard Hardison of Glendale College wrote a computer program that generated phrases randomly while preserving the positions of individual letters that happened to be correctly placed (in effect, selecting for phrases more like Ham let’s). On average, the program re-created the phrase in just 336 iterations, less than 90 seconds. Even more amazing, it could reconstruct Shakespeare’s entire play in just four and a half days.



Creationists argue that The Second Law of Thermodynamics says that systems must become more disordered over time. Living cells therefore could not have evolved from inanimate chemicals, and multicellular life could not have evolved from protozoa.

This argument derives from a misunderstanding of the Second Law. If it were valid, mineral crystals and snowflakes would also be impossible, because they, too, are complex structures that form spontaneously from disordered parts. The Second Law actually states that the total entropy of a closed system (one that no energy or matter leaves or enters) cannot decrease. Entropy is a physical concept often casually described as disorder, but it differs significantly from the conversational use of the word. More important, however, the Second Law permits parts of a system to decrease in entropy as long as other parts experience an offsetting increase. Thus, our planet as a whole can grow more complex because the sun pours heat and light onto it, and the greater entropy associated with the sun’s nuclear fusion more than rebalances the scales. Simple organisms can fuel their rise toward complexity by consuming other forms of life and nonliving materials.



“Irreducible complexity” is the battle cry of Michael J. Behe of Lehigh University, author of Darwin’s Black Box: The Biochemical Challenge to Evolution. As a household example of irreducible complexity, Behe chooses the mousetrap—a machine that could not function if any of its pieces were missing and whose pieces have no value except as parts of the whole. What is true of the mousetrap, he says, is even truer of the bacterial flagellum, a whiplike cellular organelle used for propulsion that operates like an outboard motor. The proteins that make up a flagellum are uncannily arranged into motor components, a universal joint and other structures like those that a human engineer might specify. The possibility that this intricate array could have arisen through evolutionary modification is virtually nil, Behe argues, and that bespeaks intelligent design. He makes similar points about the blood’s clotting mechanism and other molecular systems. Yet evolutionary biologists have answers to these objections. First, there exist flagellae with forms simpler than the one that Behe cites, so it is not necessary for all those components to be present for a flagellum to work. The sophisticated components of this flagellum all have precedents elsewhere in nature, as described by Kenneth R. Miller of Brown University and others. In fact, the entire flagellum assembly is extremely similar to an organelle that Yersinia pestis, the bubonic plague bacterium, uses to inject toxins into cells. The key is that the flagellum’s component structures, which Behe suggests have no value apart from their role in propulsion, can serve multiple functions that would have helped favor their evolution. The final evolution of the flagellum might then have involved only the novel recombination of sophisticated parts that initially evolved for other purposes. Similarly, the blood-clotting system seems to involve the modification and elaboration of proteins that were originally used in digestion, according to studies by Russell F. Doolittle of the University of California at San Diego. So some of the complexity that Behe calls proof of intelligent design is not irreducible at all. Complexity of a different kind—“specified complexity”— is the cornerstone of the intelligent-design arguments of William A. Dembski of Baylor University in his books The Design Inference and No Free Lunch. Essentially his argument is that living things are complex in a way that undirected, random processes could never produce. The only logical conclusion, Dembski asserts, in an echo of Paley 200 years ago, is that some superhuman intelligence created and shaped life. Dembski’s argument contains several holes. It is wrong to insinuate that the field of explanations consists only of random processes or designing intelligences. Researchers into nonlinear systems and cellular automata at the Santa Fe Institute and elsewhere have demonstrated that simple, undirected processes can yield extraordinarily complex patterns. Some of the complexity seen in organisms may therefore emerge through natural phenomena that we as yet barely understand. But that is far different from saying that the complexity could not have arisen naturally.



Biology has catalogued many traits produced by point mutations (changes at precise positions in an organism’s DNA)—bacterial resistance to antibiotics, for example. Mutations that arise in the homeobox (Hox) family of development-regulating genes in animals can also have complex effects. Hox genes direct where legs, wings, antennae and body segments should grow. In fruit flies, for instance, the mutation called Antennapedia causes legs to sprout where antennae should grow. These abnormal limbs are not functional, but their existence demonstrates that genetic mistakes can produce complex structures, which natural selection can then test for possible uses. Moreover, molecular biology has discovered mechanisms for genetic change that go beyond point mutations, and these expand the ways in which new traits can appear. Functional modules within genes can be spliced together in novel ways. Whole genes can be accidentally duplicated in an organism’s DNA, and the duplicates are free to mutate into genes for new, complex features. Comparisons of the DNA from a wide variety of organisms indicate that this is how the globin family of blood proteins evolved over millions of years. 11. Natural selection might explain microevolution, but it cannot explain the origin of new species and higher orders of life. Evolutionary biologists have written extensively about how natural selection could produce new species. For instance, in the model called allopatry, developed by Erns Mayr of Harvard University, if a population of organisms were isolated from the rest of its species by geographical boundaries, it might be subjected to different selective pressures. Changes would accumulate in the isolated population. If those changes became so significant that the splinter group could not or routinely would not breed with the original stock, then the splinter group would be reproductively isolated and on its way toward becoming a new species.

Natural selection is the best studied of the evolutionary mechanisms, but biologists are open to other possibilities as well. Biologists are constantly assessing the potential of unusual genetic mechanisms for causing speciation or for producing complex features in organisms. Lynn Margulis of the University of Massachusetts at Amherst and others have persuasively argued that some cellular organelles, such as the energy-generating mitochondria, evolved through the symbiotic merger of ancient organisms. Thus, science welcomes the possibility of evolution resulting from forces beyond natural selection. Yet those forces must be natural; they cannot be attributed to the actions of mysterious creative intelligences whose existence, in scientific terms, is unproved.


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