Question:
Can anyone prove the existence/nonexistence of God?
crempel2007
2008-10-22 22:26:14 UTC
This is not a general question. I would like someone to provide true evidence that a God (not necessarily the christian god, but an immortal being that reigns powerful over humanity). Please note that I will be thinking about them very critically, i.e. "You can't prove God does not exist, therefore God must exist" will not pass, because the logic doesn't hold.

Also note that I am challenging your beliefs and I do not expect any of you to like it. The person who provides the best evidence for their position (whether it is Christianity or atheism or whatever) will get the Best Answer.
32 answers:
Dixie Normus
2008-10-22 22:32:05 UTC
Nobody, no matter how hard they try can either prove or disprove the existence of God. They can share their beliefs and their faith or they can tell you all about science and everything else but in the end there is Absolutely no proof for the existence or non-existence of any God.
Metal Dog
2008-10-23 01:14:53 UTC
I am glad to see you are asking a sincere question and seeking sincere responses. Unfortunately, the question you are asking is moot. Please believe me when I say that I am not trying to belittle your question. I will endeavor to explain.



The reason for this is due to the fact that there is no absolute, irrefutable and indisputable evidence for the existence of 'God'. No such evidence exists because we, as an entire species/community/whole, cannot agree on what constitutes such absolute evidence.



'Evidence' for the existence 'God' is abundant...read through the previous posts and you will see what I mean. However, for every piece of so-called evidence, you will find that there is a counter argument which identifies the evidence as being insufficient. Whether you are attempting to use the Intelligent Design argument or The Transcendental Argument or The Argument of Necessary Cause, there is always it's opposite number which reflects the fact that, at this moment, there is no argument or evidence that is absolute. Will this always be so? I don't know. It is difficult to accurately predict what we will know in the future.



Ultimately, 'evidence' for the existence of any god or deity remains solely as a personal interpretation. Until someone advances an argument or proof that we, as a whole, can agree upon as being absolute-or as close to absolute as we can get-such a belief will continue to exist solely in the realm of the personal.
?
2008-10-22 22:33:09 UTC
No.



Either position is neither provable nor disprovable.



Read the 4000 previous questions asking this exact thing for a rundown of the arguments either way.



Edit... no one is likely to still be reading this question, but I'll whack this in anyway. Isn't it odd the way generally those who don't believe will tell you that it's not provable either way, but those who do insist they're correct (with, as always, a few exceptions to such a rule)? The evidence presented in this question for example appears to be a mix of the bible, a list of physical phenomona that somehow becomes evidence and some quasi(pseudo?) science towards the end mixed up with a fair amount of ignorance and blind faith.

If religious people could come to accept that firstly what they believe in is not, and cannot be, proven to exist unles it does exist and chooses to prove itself and secondly that regardless of what belief they hold the majority of the worlds population actually disagrees with them, then perhaps we could all move on and have a discussion about something more interesting.

Next item: how many angels can stand on a pin head.
syntyche
2008-10-22 22:52:58 UTC
The operation of invisible universal laws decreed by One Immortal Being prove the existence of God. Just as there are laws governing the things which are seen operating night and day throughout millions of years, there are laws in operation over the unseen things. There must be Someone who designed those laws and put those laws in motion so that there is a continuity of created things, both seen and unseen. Example, what-you-sow-you-reap; things tossed up would fall down, etc. Nobody could contest that the human body encounters lots of viruses and bacteria day in and day out as it goes about its daily activities. And yet there is One God who gave knowledge to man in order to combat the enemies beyond the naked human eye. The ocean does not overstep its bounds, although planet earth is 75% water and 25% land. There is One God who takes hold of the moon so that it does not bump into earth in its orbit. God is the One who gives each heavenly body its light - the sun, the stars, the moon, the planets, have different intensities of light. The leaves on this planet's vegetation have different shapes and different shades of green; same thing with fruits, and flowers. The logical order of each created thing in its place : notice how the parts of our body are so positioned to function properly. And how we are dependent on oxygen to breathe. Or notice how the human body carries with it a heart that size which pumps blood day in and day out while a man is alive. Or notice that the human brain processes lots of information every nth of the second to blink an eye or digest protein enzymes.

God truly exists.
2008-10-22 22:37:16 UTC
Water has no color or taste but we cannot live without it; isn't an evidence?

The Earth is made perfect. Any closer to the sun we will burn, any farther we will freeze; isn't an evidence?

You are breathing; isn’t an evidence ?

Heart is beating; isn’t an evidence ?

Blood circulation in your body; isn’t an evidence ?

Birds flying; isn’t an evidence ?

Sun rising and setting at the same time per year (winter and summer); isn’t an evidence?

Stars sparkling; isn’t an evidence ?

Child birthing; isn’t an evidence ?

People dying; isn’t an evidence ?

The Earth spins isn't an evidence?

Leaves falls off trees every year but yet the come right back; isn't an evidence?

Evil people and Good people; isn't an evidence?

Flesh heals naturally when it is cut open; isn't an evidence?

We have the ability to have emotions; isn't an evidence?

We can think; isn't an evidence?

The planets are created to protect the earth from meteorites like Jupiter; isn't an evidence?

Humans can cry; isn't an evidence?

Natural disasters; isn't an evidence?

The Big Bang theory; isn't an evidence?

We cannot live without oxygen and plants cannot live with carbon dioxide. We have the carbon dioxide, plants have the oxygen; isn't an evidence?



The Evidence Is All Around Us... Anything that man has attempted has failed! God has never failed and he is always on time!



Yahweh is all around you!



The problem is that people cannot except this...
tcbarnabas
2008-10-23 07:24:34 UTC
You used the terms "prove" and "provide true evidence". If you're wanting a mathematical equation because you understand math; or if you want someone to show you how all scientific roads leads to the proof of His existence, it ain't gonna happen. However, take a moment to look at Jeremiah 29:13 and then ask yourself: "Do I want proof that God does exist, or do I want proof that He doesn't?"

If you want proof that he doesn't exist, then you have also already determined that the verse provided above is obsolete, because you haven't studied (and probably won't) the Bible's authenticity.

Not all truth can be "scientifically" proven, but any truth can go unbelieved. The truth of God's (the God of the Bible) existence does not change because of one's desire to deny it. He has proven it to me.
going postal
2008-10-22 22:52:35 UTC
Our existence is proof. Everything physical must be created from something, this is a fact! no one has yet created something from nothing and I can assure you that no one will.



As an atheist I assume you believe scientists when they tell you that the earth is 13 billion years old and the universe is even older. You do understand the the universe has a certain age right? then how is it logical that it always existed???

It has an age, and that age is the time that passed since it's creation or formation until now. So we know that the universe did not aways exist.



Why is it logical that God always existed?

Because it is not logical that God did not always exist.

I'll explain..



We know that anything physical must be created at some point in time, we also know that it must come from somewhere or something...everything is made out of something! so if we go back to the very first particle, or speck of matter or whatever it was we still need something to exist before it so it can be made or created.

Claiming the universe always existed is not logical as I explained before and claiming it was created or formed from nothing means that something was made out of nothing and we know this isn't possible.

The only way for the first physical thing to be created is for something before it to exist and this something needs to be outside of time because otherwise it would need to be created itself.

When there is no time there is no beginning therefore there is no need for creation.



This thing that exists outside of time is called God.

Your real question should be why is it possible for God to be outside of time but its' not possible for the universe to be outside of time?



No scientist or intelligent person for that matter has ever claimed such a thing simply because we exist in a dimension of time and so does the universe, it simply cannot be.



The first thing that ever existed needs to be outside of time otherwise it would need to be created itself, if you exist outside or time you were never created therefor you always existed, we know the universe cannot exist outside of time so the universe can not have always existed, this leaves us only with one option. God!
2008-10-22 22:32:27 UTC
The very definition of such an entity deems such a proof impossible. We seek to prove the existence of a being that created EVERYTHING, is beyond all perception and has been in existence since the beginning of time. This debate is one that will never end. No one can provide ample evidence for or against the existence of such an entity. If they had, the R&S section would be a very quieter place than it is.

If the creator loves all creation, why is a large part of the world condemned to starvation? There is no divine love in large parts of Africa and developing Asia unless it manifests in the form of earthquakes and hunger.
cheir
2008-10-22 22:30:13 UTC
The existence of God is a supernatural issue - the word supernatural meaning ‘above’ the natural. Human philosophy, reason, logic, understanding, knowledge and science are part of the ‘natural’ realm and will never be able to prove or disprove the existence of God.
gar69azusa
2008-10-22 22:44:50 UTC
Of course not I can prove the non exsistance of the bible god. Just the very fact that a god that creates everything could not have any favorate. Total imposible. Against any of gods laws. So hence the god of the Hebrew is the Hebrew god,, not the true god of all creation.
ibn adam
2008-10-22 23:13:58 UTC
1- GOD is unseen and GOD can never be seen with the eyes or by the other means and GOD is omnipresent, therefore seen by the viewer as a thing or a person or visible for a while or for a moment or whom one can see for a moment or even for a fraction or who appears & disappears or appears as a light or as a dark; In short, whose visual is momentary or whose visual can be seen in some ordinary or a particular situation or a condition can never be held as GOD.



2- Who is distant or whose distance can be measured, seen or felt, or who is seen by someone somewhere can never be GOD.



3- Senses can touch things only therefore whom senses can touch to understand one way or the other can never be GOD. GOD reveals whatsoever GOD wants to reveal onto the heart and is free from the creaturely requirements and needs not physical voice to speak. Physical voice of the creatures can communicate GOD but can not produce the voice of GOD. And if the voice of the creatures is considered as the voice of GOD, then there is no reason to reject creatures as GOD while creatures can never be held as an unseen GOD.



4- GOD is Absolute & Unseen & is the creator of infinity; therefore, even the most magnificent or infinite view which appears according to the light-conscious eyes in images to let the conscious see & understand can never be considered as a view of Absolute & Unseen GOD.



‘Nothing resembles GOD’ simply means that GOD is not a thing and it also does not mean everything or nothingness. Since everything came from nothingness through its birth and returns to nothingness as an ultimate end or its death, therefore, nothingness is also a thing and a thing can never be held as GOD and any factor or power or existent might which exists between things & nothingness; generates things or organizes the creatures or destroys everything can never be held as GOD. Everything unanimously belongs to GOD and is not GOD and GOD is the GOD of all things and only about GOD we can say that GOD is Almighty and GOD is All-able, without any creaturely definition because nothing resembles GOD. Attributes of GOD are to introduce GOD such as we can say that GOD is the Generator of all things, GOD is the Organizer of all things and GOD is the Destroyer of all things and GOD is All-able & Almighty, One & Alone without partners.



Seen without a visual & distance and heartedly realized apart from the senses may be a divine experience of some value but even such an experience stands not for a divine vision because Unseen GOD is unseen and nothing resembles GOD. Even the realization of GOD seems unexplainable like the sound of a perfect silence which is heard without hearing anything & cannot be explained. Anyhow GOD is realized only and what the finders find or losers lose is only the faith, not the GOD at all.



Question of the vision of the Unseen is in fact a question of the realization of the Unseen; being the cause of vision & Who exists everywhere and is also the cause of existence.Realization is existent as a source to witness greater things such as happenings which happen behind the eyes in the soul and are realized by the heart & mind.



Normally, everyone sees the view and no one sees the vision and a vision is all that matters to view and everyone knows that vision exists; same as one can see the creatures & creations with the eyes but no one sees the Creator, so all things can be seen and no one can see the Unseen who makes the eyes see and is the cause of vision.In the chapter of realization, seen & unseen both are realized. With eyes or without eyes, there is a lot to realize in this universe. Minor part of the universe can be seen and the major part of the universe is just realized. In fact, eyes are used to realize but the realization depends not upon the vision & eyes and since everyone realizes by seeing or without seeing, the vision stands not between the realizer and the realized as an essential factor. Therefore, whatsoever appears or disappears can not be believed as a divine vision. Only through the experience of faith, one can realize the existence of GOD, One & Alone, Almighty & All-able & Creator of all things.
?
2008-10-22 22:42:20 UTC
The question is pointless, how can anyone empirically demonstrate either the existence or the non existence of an invisible and undetectable entity? The existence of God(s) is a matter of faith, which is, by definition, acceptance without demonstration, and, since you clearly know that, what was the purpose of the post?
Leafan
2008-10-22 22:37:30 UTC
Are you not alive? If an iPod suddenly became a thinking creature, would you not call that a miracle? How could a human body that is made up so incredibly complex pieces just become alive? There is nothing inherently alive in the things that make up are body same as a iPod. There must always be a life-giver. Can fate or chance give life? I should think not!
Akmal Zaidi
2008-10-22 22:35:35 UTC
Not answering for best answer answering because I must answer or try to clear you about this gibberish thought that GOD don’t exist same answer

I have been little while ago just repeating my answer..

Seeing everywhere the evidences of GOD existence



You are breathing isn’t an evidence ?

Heart is beating , isn’t an evidence ?

Blood circulation in your body, isn’t an evidence ?

Birds flying isn’t an evidence ?

Sun rising isn’t an evidence?

Stars sparkling, isn’t an evidence ?

Child birthing, isn’t an evidence ?

Peoples dying, isn’t an evidence ?

Everything is in movement, isn’t an evidence ?

A hope is alive, isn’t an evidence ?



WHICH TYPE OF EVIDENCE YOU REQUIRE?

YOU WILL FIND EVERY EVIDENCE JUST OPEN THE EYES OF YOUR HEART AND MIND…..
Native Spirit
2008-10-22 22:35:01 UTC
I don't care about getting a Best Answer. And I know that no one can provide proof either way as to the existence or nonexistence of God. If they could, we wouldn't be having this conversation!



We believe what we do for reasons of our own...no proof is possible...or required!
BuddhistMango
2008-10-22 22:36:37 UTC
Hi brief introduction - i'm buddhist but i do believe in god. (I'm sorry mine is long i tend to ramble because i love proving things or at least trying hee :D)



In my science class we talked about that and there is scientific proof that it is at least possible for a God to exist - this is mostly copy and paste but still i can't say it any better:



There is no proven scientific principle, or testable evidence, or even common sense, that supports dumb, blind, un-intelligence making anything intelligent. This is also useless for making testable predictions.



Darwin said: "Have we any right to assume that the Creator works by intellectual powers like those of man?" (Origin of Species, p. 188)



1. The scientific process was invented by and depends on intelligence. Testable, uncontradicted evidence, in diverse areas of life, confirm that it takes intelligence to make something intelligent.



"...all physical theories...break down at the beginning of the universe."

-- Stephen Hawking.



2. Mathematical infinity, singularities, and the "Big Bang" defy the laws of nature, showing scientifically that super-natural qualities, like God's infinite nature, can exist.



3. A creator/designer/lawmaker is not intrinsically detectable when observing their design. Thus, one can't use an undetected Creator to disprove a Creator.



4. All laws, man-made or otherwise, have common properties: They cause physical regularity. Thus, since man is made of "dust" and thus is part of the natural process, man's creative/lawmaking abilities can be tested in determining the origin of the universe.



New hypotheses/proposed laws: a) Something intelligent is caused by something intelligent, b) Laws are made by an intelligent lawmaker, c) Laws are enforced/maintained by a law enforcer, d) Processes and machines have a designer, e) Designers/lawmakers/enforcers are not intrinsically detectable.



These principles have never been contradicted, apply universally, and are always useful for making predictions.



Thus, since intelligence, laws, machines, and processes are found in the universe, and we don't detect a Designer, it is logical and predictable that there is an intelligent Creator. And a super-natural Creator/Lawmaker/Enforcer would be necessary to limit and maintain our natural space-time to cause the laws of nature to exist. By definition, random chance cannot create a single reasonable pattern without intelligently applied limitations/laws.



Conclusion: There is no testable evidence that a Creator was not needed to make evolution or the laws of nature, etc. Therefore, unintelligent evolution and faith in atheism are blind assumptions with no scientific basis. A plethora of diverse, uncontradicted, testable evidence demonstrates that God is logical and a super-natural Creator is necessary for the creation and laws of the universe.





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Back to me on my own the other things i have to support the idea of God. Is that one i find it hard to believe the universe was just one big accidente everything turned out a little too perfect. And while i believe in small jumps in evolution like birds beak got larger so he could eat fruit - its hard for me to believe the large jumps like monkey to man. Reason being is because of the lack of evidence. If this is so true why do we only have one skeleton of a slightly man-like monkey that lived a long time ago. Why are we missing most of those evolution people in the picture from monkey to man?



So I believe in God. :D
2008-10-22 23:02:27 UTC
How do we know there is a God? -



Rom 1:18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;

Rom 1:19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.

Rom 1:20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

Rom 1:21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.

Rom 1:24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:

Rom 1:26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:

Rom 1:27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

Rom 1: 28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;

Rom 1:29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,

Rom 1:30 Backbiters, haters of God, despite ful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,

Rom 1:31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:

Rom 1: 32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

Deu 4: 6 Keep therefore the commandments and do them; for this is your wisdom and your understanding in the sight of the nations, which shall hear all these statutes, and say, Surely this great nation is a wise and understanding people.

Deu 4:7 For what nation is there so great, who hath God so nigh unto them, as the LORD our God is in all things that we call upon him for?

Deu 4:8 And what nation is there so great, that hath statutes and judgments so righteous as all this law, which I set before you this day?
Watev
2008-10-22 22:32:51 UTC
Christians will say that the Bible is evidence enough to prove God exists. Atheists will say that there is no evidence whatsoever supporting God. I say that God ONLY exists in faith, and nothing more. Faith does NOT count as evidence of any sort.



So the answer is no, because there is no unanimous decision upon whether God exists or not.
?
2016-10-07 11:38:23 UTC
There are some issues in this international that we are going to not at all understand the answer to. With technology, or with faith...or with something. because of the fact wisdom is countless and infinite. there's a limiteless volume, subsequently that's impossible to acquire wisdom of each little thing.
xWhoopASS
2008-10-22 22:35:46 UTC
the proof is the Bible.



if God wasnt real then we wouldnt have this bible being made around the world. if God wasnt real then they would of stopped making bibles a long time ago but the bible been around for centuries now so im SURE that God does exist.
Defending the truth
2008-10-22 22:32:26 UTC
Hello, truely I dont need to prove anything but nonetheless you have asked. Hope you dont mind but there are going to be a few links following. My answer lies within these videos that God (Christian God) exist.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3wbUrY1AD... Science proves God or as they call it, "intelligent design"



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0fo7CvTBY... Proof of God



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RQTALEIMR... You ask who created God? Heres your answer



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vEXGKzH0F... More proof of God.



http://www.eternal-productions.org/101sc... 101 scientific facts and foreknowledge in the bible that proves that it is the word of God because the people of that time couldnt have known such things unless God told them to write it.



God bless and may you enjoy this information



Have alittle bit of time to view these videos.
Celina :]
2008-10-22 22:58:19 UTC
you cannot prove the existence of God nor the nonexistance of God. you just have to trust your decision.
east bay jon
2008-10-22 22:31:10 UTC
We can only know as much about God as He chooses to reveal to us. Therefore, no one can disprove God, and only God can prove Himself (and He does prove Himself, to those who seek Him humbly and sincerely).
2008-10-22 22:35:54 UTC
how can you prove some thing to some one who refuses to see it ? its like asking a blind illiterate man to read a book.... it is impossible without the sight or the knowledge ...... if you refuse to see light it is your own choice to stay in the dark.....
ZER0 C00L ••AM••VT••
2008-10-22 22:32:00 UTC
No more than I can prove the existence/nonexistence of the Flying Spaghetti Monster, Thor and Quetzalcoatl
2008-10-22 22:37:24 UTC
You can not prove the existence of something that does not exist. Why do I think it does not exist? Because there is no proof.

I can not see it, smell it, touch it, feel it or taste it.

The only way in which you can believe is with faith, faith is something in which we can not trust, because not everyone has it. To prove something, you have to be able to reach each person with it, faith does not do that.





Good luck,

Amy
Wes: i dont give thumbs down
2008-10-22 22:31:02 UTC
untill god shows up or until we advance our technology enough to disprove god there is no real answer
2008-10-22 22:30:44 UTC
Desim.



Whatever it is everything came from, it obviously doesn't care.

It's self evident that it doesn't.
boring
2008-10-22 22:30:45 UTC
No. And I will not believe in anything that cannot be proven to exist.
?
2008-10-22 22:31:00 UTC
God doesn't, at this time, want to be proven.

He requires faith but He does provide evidence
djmantx
2008-10-22 22:30:19 UTC
Yes, He is called the Holy Spirit. There is no flesh and blood who can prove God.
geni
2008-10-22 22:33:38 UTC
No.


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