Question:
Why are there so many Athiests on here determined to stamp out religion?
ColinST
2008-11-08 04:28:35 UTC
Does it really matter if people believe in God. I see about 10 answers stating that God does not exist, as fact, for about every 1 I see that says he does.

If God gives hope to people that there is life after death, that there is a reason for our existence, that there are things in the Universe greater than what we already know, then why would you want to put an end to it?

Everyone is different. Some people beleive in God, and others don't, but it seems to be atheists that have the hardest time accepting this. I know you will tell me that knowing the truth is important, but last time I checked, noone knew what the truth is, so until science can prove God doesnt exist, can we leave that argument out of it.

Please dont give me a hard time over this question. I think it is important to accept that other people can be just as intelligent as us and believe different things, and until I can be sure that there are atheists on here that feel the same way, I cant see myself understanding atheism any more than I do now.
21 answers:
Rai A
2008-11-10 02:52:47 UTC
Oh dear.



ALL the Atheists I'm aware of are not so much as "Anti-Xian" as "Anti-Fundy". MOST have been stalked, harassed & worse (As with many other non-Xians) by the most Rabid Froth at the Mouth Fundies who'd prefer to misuse their faith to spread their personal brand of hatred - no matter what damage it does to the whole Faith.



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vorenhutz
2008-11-08 04:56:12 UTC
"Does it really matter if people believe in God."



yes, because I think the belief is pretty silly, and leads people do silly things (best case). worst case, they get it into their heads that god hates people who wear anoraks or whatever, and then we have a whole lot of fearful and angry anorak wearers on our hands for no good reason. I'm not into stamping it out, I just think it'd be cool if there was a bit less frothing-at-the-mouth lunacy coming out of religion.



"why would you want to put an end to it?"



again, putting words into our mouths here. I'm all for hope and purpose, and if wishes were horses... how does that one go? I think it's a vain hope and an unreasonable reason, is what I'm saying. I'm going to repeat the first word that I think of when I think of religion again: silly. I happen to think you can be hopeful, purposeful and inspired by the world without believing in goofy nonsense, so what's the point in it? if you don't like what I'm saying, remember that you asked the question.



until theologians, or anyone really, can say with any precision what a god is supposed to be, or how you might recognise it if you encountered it, the issue seems dead to me - there's nothing to talk about, nothing to disprove. one finds that believers in god never seem to talk about the thing itself really, but they seem to love to collect random mysteries that of course only their god can possibly explain - for reasons that curiously remain mysterious. there seems no reason to accept the idea as something that might be true in the first place. for example I'm not at all swayed by the idea that "billions of people can't be wrong" - clearly they can, we all agree on that, as believers can't seem to agree what god is, what it wants from us, or even how many of them there are. now I do realise that we're all trying to work out the kinks in our worldviews so to speak (or at least, so I'd hope...) and no one actually has all the answers, much as some of us like to boast. some believers though, act as if atheists must either accept that (their) god exists simply because they claim that it does, or demonstrate a level of knowledge about the universe that only a god could have - so you see it seems like the believers are trying burn the candle from both ends. that ticks me off, I tell you what :)



notwithstanding my other comments I think it's cool that you're trying to understand, good luck with that.
Metal Dog
2008-11-08 17:39:19 UTC
The famous mathematician you are referencing did indeed state that the odds are overwhelmingly in favor of "God" existing rather than not existing. In fact, he was the winner of a Nobel Prize.



He also refused to let anyone peer review the process by which he arrived at this conclusion and even refused to comment on his methods. His defense? He won a Nobel Prize, so that should be good enough.



Epic fail.



As other mathematicians and scientists pointed out, it is impossible to calculate the odds of the existence/non-existence of any god for the simple fact that there are no other models to compare it against. How many other planets just like Earth, how many universes just like ours, were observed and recorded in order to even begin at assigning odds? In all likelihood:none.
numbnuts222
2008-11-08 04:38:03 UTC
I don't care if someone believes in a god, many gods, or fairies at the bottom of the garden. I don't try and stamp out anything, but I will happily point out when I think someone is talking rubbish.

I tend to answer questions aimed at atheists, so why would anyone expect a non atheistic answer from me?
2008-11-08 04:38:18 UTC
Hey, ying and yang comes to mind. Maybe Christians don't understand how to use Y!A? I don't know but maybe there are just more Atheist's on Y!A. Don't state the fact that atheists have a hard time accepting that some people believe in go, you ignorant bastard. I understand fully, but that doesn't mean I do. God, people like you are why I hate religion. And don't post some cock and bull about you being intelligent after stating that Atheist's don't understand why people believe. Religion, in our society today, seems to have the right to do anything, why wouldn't we want to stamp that out anyway.
2008-11-08 04:47:45 UTC
sorry im just realistic when it comes to religion. there is not one shred of evidence to suggest god exists. science on the other hard has plenty of evidence to back it up. but feel free to believe whatever you like that is your right as a human. i just think religion should be a private thing practiced at home or in a place of worship. it doesnt need to be rammed down everyones throats
2008-11-08 04:36:19 UTC
You do know that there are also believers here who also try to shove THEIR beliefs down our throats too...



Not to mention that your assumption on Religion's consequence is wrong. Almost all wars are started by religion. A lot of acts of terrorism are caused in the name of religion. A lot of deaths were caused in the name of religion.



Religion is not harmless AT ALL!



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Besides, the last time we left religion alone, the Dark Ages, The Crusades, the Witch Trials, and the Holy Wars happened.
Cosmodot
2008-11-08 04:34:03 UTC
Just trying to keep you guys from doing something silly that we might all regret for a very long time...



Don't take the "stamping" too personal. It's completely defensive stamping. You can't expect us to be pleased when you call us godless heathens, try to walk all over us, inserting very specific religious propaganda into SECULAR school systems while masquerading as science itself. In public interviews, they won't reveal a single piece of what they actually want to teach. They won't answer questions about the Bible for some reason, but have no alternative justification. In short, they're hiding something and everybody knows it.



Creationism and intelligent design are not the same. Creationism arose from clearly religious motivations. For political reasons, its advocates found they could "sell" it better to non-fundamentalists if they downplayed the religious content and renamed it "creation-science". Intelligent design strips away even more of the religious context, concentrating on the notion of an "intelligent designer" who supposedly created the universe, and perhaps intervenes in natural processes from time to time to create new species of plants and animals.



ID claims that the evidence for the existence of an intelligent designer is found in the universe itself, and specifically in instances where natural laws "could not possibly" have brought about certain biological modifications through natural processes alone. Unlike creationism, intelligent design does not insist on an absurdly short age of the earth.



Scientists recognize that the so-called ID "theory" is not a scientific theory at all, and that its claims of supportive evidence from nature are contrived and easily shown to be invalid. But scientists now also realize they must not ignore this threat to scientific integrity, for it is part of an organized campaign with social and political goals and widespread grass roots support.



Evolution is a proven, working theory that has granted incredible insights into mechanics of the natural world. You know, the world in which science is based. Name one actual discovery that ID had lead to... Not one finding? I mean, come on. They're putting the Bible into a science class.



How can any reasonable person not feel the slightest bit awkward about this arrangement?



Catholics actually accept evolution now, so who's going to teach their version of ID? Certainly not protestants and their shining place in the center of the earth. Come on man, can't you see how big of a circus this is?



The world needs a little more rationality and I don't think some people are just quite getting the picture. You can't just move in and change the methods of science to gain support for a preconceived PERSONAL belief in supernatural forces. We're not just going to stand back and let you guys destroy everything that has been worked so hard for and has provided us with so much, just so you can continue to make-believe that the world revolves around Christian ideology.
2008-11-08 04:32:39 UTC
for the same reasonre there are so many fundie Pentecostals on here determined to stamp out religion
How long will this account last?
2008-11-08 04:39:22 UTC
Have you ever read a history book that didn't have the words "Holy" or "Bible" on the cover?



Christians are oppressive monsters bent on ruling the world with bigotry and intolerance.



Us non-theist must act online because we are unable to act in real life for fear of life and lively hood from bigots like them.
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2008-11-08 07:11:23 UTC
actually i dont want to stamp out religion, , i just want us all to be free from the ignorance, intolerance, hatred, propaganda, arrogance, fear tactics and psychological manipulation that religion usally practices
2008-11-08 04:36:32 UTC
As crazy as this might sound it is actually because we have a sense of morality... and that morality tells us that we as humans should base our beliefs on actual facts. Beliefs that actually correspond with the reality of the universe.



If you think about it... then it is actually a moral endeavor on our part. (Of course it's possible to have fun whilst doing this!)
2008-11-08 04:34:37 UTC
I don't want to eradicate religion, just the religious interference in government and schools.



Leave the rest of us alone and we'll leave you alone.
Beletje_vos AM + VT
2008-11-08 04:34:44 UTC
I don't say god doesn't exist. I say god is highly improbable to exist.



We're generally fine with theists existing. But *not* when they try to impose their beliefs onto us and teach creationism in science classes.



"so until science can prove God doesnt exist"

You ignoramus... science doesn't deal with proofs and a negative claim can't have evidence.
2008-11-08 04:34:57 UTC
We are here just to make sure that the world doesn't fall into the dark ages again.
Olivier
2008-11-08 04:40:22 UTC
"make sure that the world doesn't fall into the dark ages again."

we are living in a dark age and it's getting worst. atheist look around, war, people are dying everyday becuase of war, people are suffering, it's another dark age.
BORED II
2008-11-08 04:38:26 UTC
Talk about throwing our beliefs onto people,can you see the contradiction?



God bless,
2008-11-08 04:40:18 UTC
...don't concern yourself with the God haters, God doubters and God trashers. "they" have been trying to do this for over 2000 years (unsuccessfully) as Gods Word will remain into Eternity; as "these" failed souls will find out on the day that "they" step into Eternity.
Robert Abuse
2008-11-08 04:35:39 UTC
Why are there so many Amero-Christos killing so many innocent people worldwide ?
2008-11-08 04:31:58 UTC
The last time we left you guys go totally unchallenged we got the Dark Ages. We'd just like to avoid a repeat.
2008-11-08 04:33:28 UTC
We are in this world to counterbalance your extreme actions


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