Christians, your thoughts on evolution?

Question

Old Earth vs Young Earth. Your actually thoughts based on Biblical accuracy, not taught down and preached by most Church Leaders with no education related other to what they are told to preach? If you believe in Jesus Christ, then you believe in the ancestral line back to Adam, made in Gods likeness. If so where does australopithecines, australopithecus, homo erectus...see below & and neanderthal information. All detailed scientific explanation. If one believes in old earth, you must also believe in the evolution of man. If Adam brought on sin, disease, and death...what were the fossils he stood on. Death, and scientifically studies to have carried cancers....disease. Think, read, and drop evolution especially big bang. "Day" appears over 2000 times in the Bible, but only questioned in Genesis 1. If you believe in Noah, then you should read how water can greatly distort fossil records, time scales, sedimentary rock...as well as disproven carbon dating methods. A six day Creation, described by A university professor of astronomy and physics.

http://creation.com/sediba-not-human-ancestor
http://creation.com/homo-erectus-misunderstandings
http://creation.com/neandertal-genome-like-ours
http://creation.com/neandertal-mitochondrial-genome
http://creation.com/evolutionist-geologists-must-face-the-evidence
http://creation.com/diamonds-a-creationists-best-friend
http://creation.com/danny-r-faulkner-astronomy-in-six-days
http://creation.com/secular-scientists-blast-the-big-bang

Answer 1

My thoughts have zero to do with the Truth. The first and only perfect place evolution through natural selection is taught is in THE WORD OF GOD. You didn't even know that. THE BIBLE doesnt give an age for our planet. Those cavemen you speak of are the serpents in Genesis. Only THE BIBLE can teach about what many call the missing link or that which we in science call our common ansestor. Which is this serpent/caveman through its son cain. By your own words do I understand you have zero clue about anything in creation. Go back to your english teachers and complain and ask them why didn't you teach me comprehension of the written word? Yet one more thing THE WORD OF GOD does not teach everything created in 6 24 hr days only thousands of years ago. I paid attention in science and understand you can't have day or night without our sun. Which wasn't even created until day four on the timeline given. I and I alone have walked the earth and have solved the riddle of creation. I did so by appling science to THE WORD OF GOD.

JESUS BLESS YOU

david stotler

JESUS BLESS YOU

david stotler p.s Oh and by the way the Virgin birth proves I'm right. In Mary' womb was placed an egg already fertilized. As Mary was also the product of the seed of the serpent/caveman.All you were ever taught was half truths mixed with lies in both science and at church!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Answer 2

The mystery's of faith an GOD are beyond our ability to understand.

There is a lot we know but so much more that we don't..





How can the universe create itself out of nothingness? Given the fact that the universe began to exist, it must have had a “cause” that originated it.Doesn't it make more sense to assume the existence of a Creation. This statement is tricky because it sneaks in the false assumption that GOD came from somewhere and then asks where that might be. The answer is that the question does not even make sense. It is like asking, “What does blue smell like?” Blue is not in the category of things that have a smell, so the question itself is flawed. In the same way, GOD is not in the category of things that are created or caused. GOD is uncaused and uncreated—He simply exists.

We know that from nothing, nothing comes. So, if there were ever a time when there was absolutely nothing in existence, then nothing would have ever come into existence. But things do exist. Therefore, since there could never have been absolutely nothing, something had to have always been in existence. That ever-existing being is what we call GOD ,GOD is the un-caused Being that caused everything else to come into existence. God is the uncreated Creator who created the universe and everything in it.



The universe requires a cause because it had a beginning, GOD unlike the universe, had no beginning, so he doesn’t need a cause. Einstein’s theory of general relativity, which has much experimental support, shows that time is linked to matter and space. So time itself would have begun along with matter and space. Since GOD is the creator of the whole universe, he is the creator of time. Therefore He is not limited by the time dimension He created..

Answer 3

@Artemis

Many cultures around the world have legends of how a small number of people were saved in a boat from a great flood. It is likely that as the people dispersed from Babel they carried the flood story with them. While Babylon and Sumeria might have the earliest surviving written documents this does not mean they are the source for others, particularly the Chinese stories. There is textual evidence that the Sumerian version was based on an older Hebrew version.



Many of these version have elements that are quite unfeasible. The Babylonian one has a cube shaped vessel built from the hero's straw hut!



The Biblical account has been extensively studied and has been shown to be feasible. Models have been tested in wave tanks and shown to be highly stable. It is most likely that the Biblical account is the original from which all other accounts were based. This is supported by genetic, fossil records, and geological evidence.

Answer 4

I can't imagine why in the world you think that web site is "the best website of actual scientific research and data published."

First, it contains NO scientific research (though it does dishonestly quote-mine from some actual research others have done). Second, it's an incredibly dishonest, fallacy-ridden pile of superstitious nonsense. Reading just *one* of the articles you linked to, I found 6 flat-out lies in the first two paragraphs. Such dishonesty is disgusting, and is one of the biggest reasons you "young-earth creationists" get so much well-deserved criticism; you don't even deal with things honestly, and so honest and rational people are disgusted by your actions.



Look, if you want to pretend the earth is 6,000 years old and humans didn't evolve, you have the right to do so. Knock yourself out. You're wrong, of course, and demonstrably so -- but you can believe that if you want to. If you'd just say, honestly, "Here's what I believe," and not try to get it taught as facts in public schools, most intelligent people would snicker a bit, but leave you alone.



However, when you publicly lie, as both you and that web site do, you merit all of the criticism you get. Honest, rational society has no tolerance for people who lie so repeatedly and easily in a desperate attempt to justify irrational belief in ancient ignorant myths.

Answer 5

Evolution is nothing more than changes in heritable traits from one generation to the next among reproductively distinct groups. Pretty useless information, we don't need a special scientific discipline to see that our offspring are a lot like us but a little bit different!



If on the other hand you mean Common Descent - the notion that protoza transformed into biology professors - the notion is nonsense based mostly on circular reasoning and bad logic.



The scripture does not give any age to the earth and all of the methods used to estimate it necessarily rely on unproven or disproved assumptions. Theist, atheists, makes no difference the honest response is we don't know how old the earth is.



I notice a lot of folks tossing the word 'theory' around. Common Descent does not quality as a valid scientific theory in any sense. Those saying it is just a theory need to take the time to learn science and the criteria that must be met for something to qualify as a legitimate theory in science.

Answer 6

My thoughts on evolution is that it has been a lie from the beginning.

The ever changing fossil was never found even though many lies were produced. The monkey to man chart did more damage than it has ever done good. Sure we are similar to apes or monkeys, but that small difference makes a huge difference. Being similar points to the same Creator in my thinking. God used noses for breathing, eyes for seeing and ears for hearing, etc.

Answer 7

Despite popular opinion and tradition, the Bible does not claim an age for the earth. I do believe that it teaches a young humanity (dating back to Adam), but I also believe that it teaches that the earth existed for an unspecified period of time before restoration of the world and the creation of man. It is quite possible that other human-like creatures existed on earth prior to modern man's arrival. I simply do not believe that we are related to them in any way other than being created from the same basic materials.

Answer 8

Human evolution is the theory that humans have evolved from an ape-like ancestor which descended from chimpanzees. In keeping with this view, both humans and apes have been assigned to the same taxonomic Family - Hominidae. However, most creationists would deny that humans have evolved in this manner, and instead believe that these ancient hominids were either fully ape or fully human. The two primary taxonomic genera of ape-men clearly delineate this distinction. the taxonomic genus homo contains groups identified as true humans (as with Homo neanderthalensis, and Homo erectus), and those assigned to Australopithecus being true ape.

Peter Line summarizes the case of human evolution poignantly in the Journal of Creation:

The differences in morphological features of the fossil species included in Homo, excluding the invalid taxon Homo habilis, are believed to represent, among other factors, genetic variation within the one human kind...If fossils such as those categorized as Homo erectus and Neandertals were all fully human, then the case for human evolution essentially collapses, as there is an unbridgeable morphological gap between the australopithecine apes and these humans

Answer 9

I don't think you realize the Bible clearly teaches there at least three changes made to mankind. It suggests that there may have been five different types of "man" total. The changes took place in a very short period of time and was not the result of natural selection.

This is the crux of the complete issue! I maintain that the generation of different species was the result of divine intervention and not the result of "natural selection".

Answer 10

“The ancient allegories in Genesis 1 - 11 were never meant to be read as exact histories, and certainly never as science texts. This has been well documented by respected theologians such as Augustine and Thomas Aquinas. The overwhelming majority of Christians (and Jews) know that the earliest books of Genesis were handed down from generation to generation by oral tradition, before the Hebrew people developed a system of Phoenician writing, around 1000 BCE.



The American fundamentalist movement, is a fairly recent development, and goes against all true Biblical scholarship. Those who profess to take the Old Testament "literally" without even bothering to research the Exegesis and Hermeneutics only publicly display their ignorance, and manage to make all Christians appear delusional in the process.” Mariel







The first parts of Genesis, from the tale of Creation through the tales of Adam and Eve, the Garden of Eden, the Tower of Babel, the Great Flood, Sodom and Gomorrah, the Wars of the Kings in which Abraham was involved -- are all based on earlier Sumerian records.



The origin of the Biblical seven days of creation is almost certainly the seven tablets on which the Enuma Elish was written. This is evident from the contrast between the first six Babylonian tablets describing Marduk’s acts of creation and the seventh tablet which is dedicated to a general exaltation of the god (and thus a parallel to the Biblical seventh day when God rested).



During the last one hundred years, tens of thousands of clay tablets have been excavated in ancient Mesopotamia (modern day Iraq) dating back to 6,000 years ago. Archaeological and linguistic studies trace the origin of the Elohim concept to a Babylonian epic text known as the Enuma Elish, which deals with the creation of the heavens and Earth by a Babylonian God named Marduk. There is amazing similarity between Genesis and the Enuma Elish except that one credits the creation of heavens and Earth to God, whilst the other credits it to Marduk. The Hebrew exiled in Babylon, were influenced by the Enuma Elish, which had been the most sacred Babylonian ritual text for over a thousand years.”

Answer 11

I do not believe in evilution at all.

I do not hold the same views as scientists. I believe the whole word of the Bible and do not change my mind because of any advances in science about the bible.

The Bible is truth. Anything outside of it is just pure conjecture on their part. They do not believe that things outside of God can be true.



I stick to what I know to be true and I do not consider anything else. My experience is God is real and all else is evil.

Answer 12

Whatever the truth on evolution is (which is unknown in the absolute, but pretty consistently true within a material world), it is a matter of fact, not opinion. It really doesn't matter what anybody's opinion is, evolution is either true, not true, or somewhere in between (and most evidence suggest the first). What you are asking for is an opinion for a factual matter, such as "Do you believe that the moon is made of cheese?" Whatever someone's opinion may be, it has ZERO effect on whether or not the statement "the moon is made of cheese" is true or not (btw, it is not).

Answer 13

>The Bible says nothing about the age of the earth.



FAIL.



Perhaps you have not read it.



>Evolution is not fact, it is a theory with tremendous problems



Obviously an uneducated cretin such as yourself is not familiar with the term theory when used in this fashion.

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>Its very clear to me, most of the people below are either clueless, cant read properly, or both.



And you're obviously a home schooled cretin.

Answer 14

If the theory (idea) of evolution were a water bucket, and water were truth, the bucket would be full of holes. Evolution, global warming, and big bang are junk science.



Also, if evolution were true, it would be ongoing. For example, we would see apes (or whatever) evolving into humans (or whatever). Not found!



When you pull the cover off evolution, and you let the light shine on it, it's like a double amputee: neither has a leg to stand on.

Answer 15

You are in no position to tell me or anyone else what to believe or not to believe.



The majority of Christians do NOT "believe in the ancestral line back to Adam," that is b.s.

The ONLY line of importance to Christianity is the fact that Jesus was born to the HOUSE OF DAVID. Adam was an allegorical character, not an actual person.



The majority of Christians DO accept evolution and even common descent. Adam was symbolic of the first person to become aware of good and evil in the world.



Noah was also an allegorical figure -- not an actual person. There were NO Hebrew people until Genesis 12 -- when God spoke to Abraham. That is a fact.



You know less than nothing and ignorance is NOT a virtue!



Even when reading a text 'literally', one is still obliged to research the symbolism, metaphorical expressions, idioms, and at the very least, the correct translation of the terms, and of course, to understand the cultural context. The YEC fundees/fringe (and ironically some atheists) have not bothered to do so.



The word "yom" can refer to a day, but it also refers in the context of Genesis 1, to an undetermined "period of time." Ancient Hebrew had only 8700 vocabulary words, and many words had multiple meanings.

The idiomatic expression "evening and morning" signified the ending of one period and the beginning of another.



Psalms 90:4 "For a thousand years are but a day in your sight."

2 Peter 3:8 "For a thousand years in your sight are like a day."

Showing time is meaningless for our eternal God.

Also, in Genesis 2:4 "These are the GENERATIONS of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the DAY that the Lord God made the earth and the heavens". Why use the word "generations" when speaking of a "day" if it were a 24 hour "day"? More importantly, WHY did the fringe cults and fundamentalists CHANGE this key verse??



And please explain how it was a solar-24 hour day when the sun was not "created" until the 4th "day"?



One obvious symbol in Genesis 2 is " the tree of the knowledge of good and evil." The eating of its fruit represents the beginning of the mixture of good and evil together in humanity. It was believed that before our consciousness, our awareness, of good and evil, the two were separate, and the potential for evil only existed outside of us. The "talking snake" represents a manifestation of evil that existed outside of us. When the forbidden fruit was consumed and internalized, this changed and gave rise to the "yeitzer hara," or our inclination to commit evil ourselves.



The threat of "death" is not physical but spiritual. Adam was not struck dead when eating the metaphorical fruit. Disobeying God and eating the fruit caused mankind to experience spiritual separation from God (being expelled from the metaphorical Garden).





btw...

The first person to propose the concept of the "big bang" was a Belgian priest/physics professor - Msgr. Georges Lamaitre (see The Primeval Atom).



The RCC, the Orthodox churches, the Church of England, and all mainstream Christian denominations (oldest & largest) – even Orthodox Jews -- accept evolution, the big bang, etc. because the average ten year old can see that the Bible is NOT a science textbook.

Genesis 1 is a song of praise to the miracle of creation – not a science paper. The sooner the fundamentalists/fringe cults realize that, the better it will be for everyone.



Our genome contains our entire evolutionary history, as does the genome of every living organism. Denying this is really pointless.

http://evolution.berkeley.edu/



So what if our physical bodies have evolved? It is our souls/spirits (aka "God's image") that are important, not our physical bodies!



Only funDs like the Southern Baptists and fringe cults like the SDA reject science, but they love to parade their ignorance about science and theology in public. So, they manage to make all people of faith look dimwitted. Which cult are you in?



Ignorance of abiogenesis (organic chemistry); evolution (biology, genetics, etc.); the big bang (cosmology, physics, astronomy, etc.) will do very little to convince anyone that you should be trusted about matters that have no physical evidence, like the belief in God and our spirituality.

Luke 16:10 -- If you can’t be trusted with unimportant things (physical reality) how can you be trusted with important things (spirituality)?



Science explains the world we believe God created. Why be afraid of knowledge?



This is a Christian website, maybe it will help you understand that there doesn't have to be a conflict between faith and science & there isn't for most Christians (just ignore the ads).

http://www.proof-of-evolution.com/

This is a paper by a Russian Orthodox Christian & respected evolutionary biologist:

Theodosius Dobzhansky -- "Nothing in Biology Makes Sense Except in the Light of Evolution".



http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/evolution/library/10/2/l_102_01.html

In this essay from American Biology Teacher, March 1973 (www.nabt.org), Dobzhansky shows how evolution is the cornerstone which supports and unifies the many fields within biology.



and for the ignorant here:

Please learn what a scientific “theory” means. You are embarrassing yourselves and all people of faith. http://www.notjustatheory.com/

Answer 16

The Bible says nothing about the age of the earth. We have no idea what existed here in the world called formless in Gen.1.

Answer 17

Evolution is not fact, it is a theory with tremendous problems, did you not see Evolution vs. God by Ray Comfort? NO EVIDENCE!!

Watch Trey Smiths Theory of Everything, science that will spank the flaming evolutionists.

Answer 18

Quote: "If so where does australopithecines, australopithecus, homo erectus...see below & and neanderthal information"



1) What is real if all the major faiths refer to Reality-/-The movie being illusory.



Even Einstein said:



Reality is merely an illusion, albeit a very persistent one.

Albert Einstein.



2) And if they were real, Stop a pe-recored world championship chess game half way through, then ask a chimp to work out the next move.

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If we evolved over hundreds of thousands of years, (General estimate – 200,000), why does the story keep changing?

Man found in Palastine 400,000 years ago (Homosapien)

http://gizadeathstar.com/2012/02/man-in-palestine-400000-years-ago/



Also, in equivalent and relevant terms of time, why have we technologically evolved over the equivalent to 5 days?



HERE'S THE MATHS!

Lets say 30 years for modern technology.

So: 30 years Multiplied by 10 Divided by 400,000 years = 0.00075

So 30 years is 0.00075% of 400,000 years



Now 365 days in a year Multiplied by 400,000 = 146000000 Days.

0.00075 Divided by 146000000 = 5.1 Days.



So in equivalent and relevant terms of time, we have technologically evolved in the last 5 Days.



Yet:



In Lebanon - The ruins of Baalbek, according to Arabs said to have been built by a tribe of Giants for the Biblical King Nimrod consists of rocks no modern Crain can lift today.

The history of settlement in the area of Baalbek dates back about 9,000 years.

http://i1091.photobucket.com/albums/i395/AbAeterno123/baalbek_9_zpsdd453079.jpg



And over 2,000 years ago Archimedes had worked out the solar system  (287 BC – c. 212 BC) http://www.antikythera-mechanism.com/

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Reality is merely an illusion, albeit a very persistent one.

Albert Einstein.



"Nothing is as it seems. Nor is it otherwise."

Lankavatara Sutra - Mahāyāna Buddhism



There is no greater mystery than this; that being the reality we seek to gain reality.

Sri Ramana Maharshi (December 30, 1879 – April 14, 1950)



Islam.

The Surah takes its title from the sentence, Wa anzalna' l-hadida, of verse 25.

(A study of its subject matter)

http://www.englishtafsir.com/Quran/57/

Surah Al-Hadid (its title meaning, 'the iron') talks about the reality of the transient life of this world.



Hinduism.

In which this universe like a snake on a rope imagined appears.

Bliss-Supreme Bliss: That: Consciousness you are happily live.



The universe is endlessly going through creation and dissolution. But that does not affect the Self. The Self is beyond time and causation. Creation and dissolution are in time. In reality nothing else exists. ASTAVAKRA SAMHITA – Chapter XV – P98



15. He who sees the universe may try to deny it. What has the desireless to do? He sees not even though he sees. ASTAVAKRA SAMHITA – Chapter XVIII – P136



Self-Knowledge is the basis of our true being. The ignorant do not have it, and hence they are so called. ASTAVAKRA SAMHITA – Chapter XVIII - P150

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Answer 19

Some Christians have no "thoughts" about Evolution, only a faith-based willful ignorance. Unless the Christian you are speaking to admits to the truth of Evolution, it is as utter waste of time to discuss it with the completely scientifically illiterate.

Answer 20

Clearly, you should've asked these idiots if they knew what a Scientific Theory was. You're wasting your time with these 'oh it's just a theory' people.

Answer 21

Something from nothing ! Blind faith or fairy tale for grown ups ;



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U0u3-2CGOMQ

Answer 22

Something from nothing ! Blind faith or fairy tale for grown ups ;

Answer 23

Episcopal Church, General Convention (2006)

Resolved, That the 75th General Convention affirm that God is Creator, in accordance with the witness of Scripture and the ancient Creeds of the Church; and be it further,



Resolved, That the theory of evolution provides a fruitful and unifying scientific explanation for the emergence of life on earth, that many theological interpretations of origins can readily embrace an evolutionary outlook, and that an acceptance of evolution is entirely compatible with an authentic and living Christian faith; and be it further



Resolved, That Episcopalians strongly encourage state legislatures and state and local boards of education to establish standards for science education based on the best available scientific knowledge as accepted by a consensus of the scientific community; and be it further



Resolved, That Episcopal dioceses and congregations seek the assistance of scientists and science educators in understanding what constitutes reliable scientific knowledge.



Central Conference of American Rabbis

Whereas the principles and concepts of biological evolution are basic to understanding science; and



Whereas students who are not taught these principles, or who hear "creationism" presented as a scientific alternative, will not be receiving an education based on modern scientific knowledge; and



Whereas these students' ignorance about evolution will seriously undermine their understanding of the world and the natural laws governing it, and their introduction to other explanations described as "scientific" will give them false ideas about scientific methods and criteria,



Be it resolved that we call upon publishers of science textbooks to reject those texts that clearly distort the integrity of science and to treat other explanations of human origins for just what they are — beyond the realm of science;



Be it further resolved that we call upon science teachers and local school authorities in all states to demand quality textbooks that are based on modern, scientific knowledge and that exclude "scientific" creationism;



Be it further resolved that we call upon parents and other citizens concerned about the quality of science education in the public schools to urge their Boards of Education, publishers, and science teachers to implement these needed reforms.



General Assembly of the Presbyterian Church (USA)

The 214th General Assembly of the Presbyterian Church (USA):

1. Reaffirms that God is Creator, in accordance with the witness of Scripture and The Reformed Confessions.

2. Reaffirms that there is no contradiction between an evolutionary theory of human origins and the doctrine of God as Creator.

3. Encourages State Boards of Education across the nation to establish standards for science education in public schools based on the most reliable content of scientific knowledge as determined by the scientific community.

4. Calls upon Presbyterian scientists and science educators to assist congregations, presbyteries, communities, and the public to understand what constitutes reliable scientific knowledge.

WHEREAS, The United Methodist Church has for many years supported the separation of church and State (¶ 164C, Book of Discipline, 2004, p. 119);

Therefore, be it resolved, that the General Conference of The United Methodist Church go on record as opposing the introduction of any faith-based theories such as Creationism or Intelligent Design into the science curriculum of our public schools.

Answer 24

Evolution, like gravity, is real.

Answer 25

We do adapt but we do not evolve.