Question:
Did the universe come from nothing and can nothing create something: or is there a God?
?
2010-05-28 09:29:55 UTC
"Speaking to a sold out crowd at the Berkeley Physics Oppenheimer Lecture, Hawking said yesterday that he now believes the universe spontaneously popped into existence from nothing. He said more work is needed to prove this but we have time because 'Eternity is a very long time, especially towards the end.'

Again I ask, what is easier to believe that the universe came from nothing and that something can come from nothing, or that God existed prior to the universe and is the Creator of it?

It seems to me that the Atheists position is far more unreasonable then the position that God created all that is.

I would appreciate you Atheists showing me the reasonableness of your beliefs: so that I too may understand the wisdom behind it.
Fourteen answers:
2010-05-28 09:43:05 UTC
I am a Christian and.....

IF a cube of solid bronze would suddenly appear out of thin air......

and IF that cube turned into a giant squid......

and IF that squid grew wings and flew away...

Then I would believe.

That is IF i could convince myself I was not hallucinating.
Jabber wock
2010-05-28 09:52:29 UTC
I don't see how that is unreasonable; Hawking's idea is a hypothesis, not a theory, as it has yet to be validated by evidence. However, it is potentially compatible with our current level of understanding of quantum physics, where matter can indeed come from nothing, albeit with certain restrictions.



Be careful; he's not implied that this happened at one time, as time itself is just a property of the universe. More that existence itself is a state of nature, and fluctuates between 0 and 1 at the quantum level. It's the sum of properties that is zero, but an 'unbalancing' of zero can lead to equal positive and negative properties, e.g. matter and antimatter. Energy itself is likely to be a property that sums to zero. The universe has indications of being much more multi-dimensional than our 4-d space-time, and indeed other time-like dimensions may exist.



As we know that virtual particles can come into existence from nothing, it's not inconceivable that our physical universe is just a larger scale version of the same phenomenon, and that al the properties within it (or possible corresponding multiverses) still sum to zero. In a way, matter is just an unbalancing of nothingness.



So while we cannot say this is the case, it's certainly conceivable, and is consistent with what limited evidence we have so far. This contrasts with the idea of a god, which is supported by absolutely no evidence at all. There's not even any formal hypothesis of a god, as nobody is coming up with any precise, formal definition of what a god actually is.



Remember; the Universe is the 'everything' - it *includes* any gods that exist. While some will argue that a god can create a physical universe, that's only a subset of the total; it avoids asking the bigger question: why does this totality (including any gods) exist?



Hence any god idea doesn't actually even *try* answer the question of why the 'everything' exists anyway, while quantum physics does. Trying to answer the question completely, using evidence, is more reasonable than deliberately avoiding part of it and using a zero-evidence presumption.



Edit:

@The_doc_man:

You're quite right about those hypotheses (M-theory, colliding branes) in terms of explaining our physical universe, with possible precursors or non-temporal states of phase.



However, it's still a valid question to ask: why isn't there nothing? What is the nature of existence? I feel that quantum physics is still the closest to getting to the nub of that one, and the virtual particles ideas is a big clue. It seems that Hawking is more trying to address that than a more localised explanation of our physical 'big banged' universe which may indeed be a subset of a greater maximal Universe.



In any case, the approach to understanding this must be based on evidence, otherwise we cannot tell the diference between any idea being valid and invalid. Hence we don't jump to conclusions, e.g. gods.
?
2016-06-03 04:41:27 UTC
As a matter of fact, in the statement: "In the beginning God created the Heaven and the Earth,” the word "Barah" is used which means "to create out of nothing." In the original Greek we have "pro chronon aionion" or" before time eternal." In Titus 1:2 it states "that hope that we have in Jesus Christ was given to us before the beginning of time.” Another verse of scripture is: "The grace of God that we now experience was put into effect before the BEGINNING OF TIME" (2Timothy 1:9). Again, in this passage the same three Greek words are used!! There are eight places in the Bible which state that God created time. Many false teachers, bogus scientists and philosophers have also said that the universe always existed or that it is self-existent? Another false assertion was that is was created ExNihlo independently of God. Again, nothing by and of itself brings forth nothing - except when God intervenes. Proving this was the Hubble telescope which was launched in space in 1990. For the first time this powerful instrument saw to the edge of the universe which is about 13.7 billion light years away . It was an incredible discovery for this is saying that the universe is limited or finite. It is not as infinite as we all thought. According to Einstein: "...if the universe has a beginning, it must have a beginner, hence the existence of God.". Even Stephen Hawking, the modern Einstein of our day, confirmed that time had to be created! The Bible also states in Genesis 1:1 "In the beginning, God created the Heavens and the Earth." That means everything in the Cosmos. 15
The_Doc_Man
2010-05-28 09:47:09 UTC
Hawking is not always right. His beliefs have in the past been quite wrong.



Membrane theory (M-theory) suggests that the Big Bang was really a "big bump" when two parallel universes collided violently. (No, I'm not kidding you and not making it up.)



Serious Bangers don't require the "something from nothing" concept. We simply state that because of the extreme violence associated with the Big Bang, most if not all of our evidence has been totally scrambled. It is therefore hard if not impossible to say what preceded the Bang and what form it took. If the collapsing universe theory is right, then the Bang was the result of forming a giant - but unstable - black hole that contained an entire universe full of matter. But when it was compressed into the black hole, it lost its identity. Not its mass - but its identity.



What is easier to believe? Occam's Razor helps us here. William of Occam said it simply: Given two explanations of different complexities to achieve the same result, the simpler explanation is more likely to be true.



We know from various observational evidence as well as complicated theoretical reasoning that some sort of Big Bang occurred. We can quibble about details, but evidence says it was real. Some guys from Bell Labs won a Nobel Prize for the work that proved it. So here are the two alternatives:



1. Whatever preceded the Big Bang, we don't know, but it formed a giant, unstable black hole that exploded to release the matter and energy trapped in that hole.



2. A supernatural being exists in some non-physical plane of existence. This being created the conditions that led to the Big Bang. (Let there be light! and BANG there was light...)



#1 only requires natural forces to go from the Bang to here and does NOT require creating matter from nothingness.



#2 requires the same natural forces to get from the Bang to here, PLUS a supernatural being to light the fuse that caused the Bang. If you believe the pulpit-pounders, #2 WAS a case of something from nothing.



Which one is simpler?
2010-05-28 09:39:30 UTC
It is actually more reasonable to believe the evidence. When you add up all the attractive and repulsive forces in nature you get exactly zero. Not only did the universe come from nothing, its total sum is nothing.



Regardless of the evidence, it is illogical to accept myths as answers to any of life’s questions. Belief should be reserved for verifiable truth, not supposition. Even if I did not know that something can and does come from nothing, I would still not believe in God. First there is no evidence for God’s existence, and most importantly we know that God is nothing more than the main character in ancient myths.
QUEST?
2010-05-28 09:35:11 UTC
it's actually a lot more nonsensical to believe in a God who poofed everything into existence.the concept of a God of the gaps is not a reasonable position. We have a pretty good understanding of how the universe began and evolved. What we don't know, just leaves room for additional scientific research. It is so hard to say, you don't know something? I religion is just the opinion of somebody who claims an authority. Religion also has a horror of anybody questioning their claims.
Cervantes
2010-05-28 09:50:28 UTC
Why do people think that the universe is all that there is? Our universe may very well just be a small part of a much larger existence, and is just a result of some occurrence in that larger frame of reference.



Doc, exactly. Beat me to my point and expanded it.
chas
2010-05-28 09:49:27 UTC
Where did god come from? Isn't it just as easy to believe that the universe came from nothing as it is to believe that god came from nothing? I just don't understand the leap from "we don't know where the universe came from" to "it must have come from a magical sky fairy who sent his son to die on a cross, and if you believe in his son, and pretend to eat his flesh and drink his blood, he won't send you to an eternity of pain and suffering, which we would, even though he loves you"
Darth Cheney
2010-05-28 09:45:06 UTC
So, you think the universe is too complex for it not be created by an even more complex being (that has always existed). Sure, buddy, whatever you say.
2010-05-28 09:34:07 UTC
Clearly Nothing was incapable of creating the universe by itself so it created God to do the work for it.
Bastard Harvard Vodka
2010-05-28 09:37:17 UTC
There is a God. Intelligent Designer of the Universe. Atheists are wonderfully design by God.
skeptik
2010-05-28 09:40:38 UTC
Why do people who are uneducated about science think "easy to believe" means anything?
Nature's Gift
2010-05-28 09:36:05 UTC
we can argue all day about this so I'm just going to say I don't know because I wasn't there
Tilly
2010-05-28 09:36:20 UTC
I hope this website helps http://www.big-bang-theory.com/ :)


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