Question:
Homosexuality--should Christians care?
Anise
2007-06-18 09:27:16 UTC
I think Christians selectively choose Bible verses to back up their secular hatred of gays. They don't like homosexuality, so they try to find an excuse that supports their view in the Bible.

Everyone quotes the Old Testament when it comes to gays, but the Old Testament famously calls for "an eye for an eye" while Jesus called for "turning the other cheek." Shouldn't followers of Christ be going with HIS teachings when there are conflicts between the two texts? (The Old Testament also said it was OK to keep slaves, remember.)

Luke 17:34 in one translation of the Bible says "Jesus claims, 'I tell you; on that night two PEOPLE will be in one bed; one will be taken and the other left.'" But in another translation, it says 'I tell you, in that night there shall be two MEN in one bed...' Who made that substitution? An EDITOR decides what Christians believe?

Jesus may not have even mentioned gays. Are there ANY Christians eager to leave this prejudice behind in the Old Testament?
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tcdrtw
2007-06-18 09:35:16 UTC
There is no hate. Both old and new says its wrong. Christians really shouldn't care any more about homosexuality than any other sin. I don't. It is a popular topic to talk to Christians about and I answer whoever asks, so it may appear that we care most about this issue when that is just not the case!



Homosexuality has never been condoned by God. There has never been any question about God's feeling on the matter. It is described as an abomination and uncleanness in the old and new testaments.



Lev 18:22You shall not lie with a male as with a woman. It is an abomination.



1 Kings 14:24And there were also perverted persons[1] in the land. They did according to all the abominations of the nations which the LORD had cast out before the children of Israel.

Footnotes

1. 14:24 Hebrew qadesh, that is, one practicing sodomy and prostitution in religious rituals



Leviticus 20:13If a man lies with a male as he lies with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination. They shall surely be put to death. Their blood shall be upon them.



Romans 1:24Therefore God also gave them up to uncleanness, in the lusts of their hearts, to dishonor their bodies among themselves, 25who exchanged

the truth of God for the lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen. 26For this reason God gave them up to vile passions. For even their women exchanged the natural use for what is against nature. 27Likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust for one another, men with men committing what is shameful, and receiving in themselves the penalty of their error which was due. 32who, knowing the righteous judgment of God, that those who practice such things are deserving of death, not only do the same but also approve of those who practice them.



1 Cor 6:9Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals,[1] nor sodomites, 10nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God.

Footnotes

1. 6:9 That is, catamites



New Testament and fornication, abominations and uncleanness. Should Christians engage in this? No.



Gal 5:3But fornication and all uncleanness or covetousness, let it not even be named among you, as is fitting for saints; 4neither filthiness, nor foolish talking, nor coarse jesting, which are not fitting, but rather giving of thanks. 5For this you know,[1] that no fornicator, unclean person, nor covetous man,who is an idolater, has any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and God. 6Let no one deceive you with empty words, for because of these things the wrath of God comes upon the sons of disobedience. 7Therefore do not be partakers with them.



19Now the works of the flesh are evident, which are: adultery,[3] fornication, uncleanness, lewdness, 20idolatry, sorcery, hatred, contentions, jealousies, outbursts of wrath, selfish ambitions, dissensions, heresies, 21envy, murders,[4] drunkenness, revelries, and the like; of which I tell you beforehand, just as I also told you in time past, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.



1 Thes 4:7For God did not call us to uncleanness, but in holiness.



Col 3:5Therefore put to death your members which are on the earth: fornication, uncleanness, passion, evil desire, and covetousness, which is idolatry. 6Because of these things the wrath of God is coming upon the sons of disobedience,



1 Cor 7:1 Now concerning the things of which you wrote to me: It is good for a man not to touch a woman. 2Nevertheless, because of sexual immorality, let

each man have his own wife, and let each woman have her own husband.



Homosexuality did exist then, but you see it is not listed here for a reason.



This was the way God intended:



Gen 1:27 So God created man in His own image; in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them.



Gen 2:24 Therefore a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and they shall become one flesh.
messiahspaladin
2007-06-18 10:05:50 UTC
First let me clear up one thing. The Old Testament or Covenant and the New do not contradict each other at any point. If anything the New is stricter than the old. Even the New testament speaks out against gays. I Timothy 1. The things that were wrong in the Old are just as wrong in the New. It is not a predjudice, homosexuality is a sin and a destructive use of ones body.



Even in Jesus's time the eye for an eye was very prevelent. Jesus was not refuting that idea, he was just setting a higher standard.



On the translation kick. There can be many diffrent ways to interperet a certain line from the Bible. First there is the language. The Old was written in Hebrew. That is fairly straightforward, except we do not have words with exactly the same meaning as the words in Hebrew. So there is a judgement call made, and they use the closest equivalent. The New was written in Greek or Aramaic.

The next point is the culture of the time. If you said today that two men were in a bed, it would be seen as they are gay. In those times it wasn't unusual for three or four men to share a bed. Eufamisms are also diffrent between cultures. In bed in our culture refers to sex. Then it did not.

By the way, Jesus never spoke out against slave holding. In the context of the Old, a slave is not what modern day people would have considered a slave. Slavery of the time was more of indentured servitude for a given period of time, either to pay off a debt or to pay for a crime. The slave was not a piece of property.

Just because a sin is accepted by the general populus it doesn't make it any less of a sin.
Contemplative Chanteuse IDK TIRH
2007-06-18 10:44:56 UTC
People is the correct translation. Or two of mankind. In the Greek, the _word_ men is omitted altogether so that it would read: "on that night two will be in one bed."



The OT teaching of "eye for an eye" was not that if you damaged my eye I was _required_ to retaliate, but that if you damaged my eye, I was not allowed to require more than that from you. In other words, I could not demand your life be taken because you hurt my eye. Slaves are also still around in the NT - though I agree it's emphasis is different.



Here's the thing. I don't hate gays. I hate people bashing gays - or anyone else for that matter. I'm not looking for verses to support hatred, but there are some verses that cause me some concern. Verses that keep me from being able to support homosexuality as a lifestyle.



And they're not all in the OT. Romans 1:26-27: For this reason God gave them up to vile passions. For even their women exchanged the natural use for what is against nature. Likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust for one another, men with men committing what is shameful, and receiving in themselves the penalty of their error which was due.



Jesus didn't teach about homosexuality because it would have been cause for the death penalty among the Jews. Jesus was a Jew, and taught almost exclusively to the Jews. Homosexuality was used in idolaltry, and by Jesus' time, the Jews had left idolatry. For that reason, homosexuality wouldn't have been something Jesus taught about.



So my problem is that I cannot in good conscience see that it's okay to tell people that homosexuality is not something God condemns when it seems to me that He does condemn it. That doesn't mean that I hate gays. I worry about their spiritual state.



In the end, it is between them and God. It's not my place to judge them. But if asked about my understanding about what the scriptures say on the matter, I also can't lie about that.
djmantx
2007-06-18 09:47:16 UTC
The Old Testament and New Testament are the word of God that endures forever. The truth is the truth it does not change.

The Bible says an eye for an eye and it is indeed God's righteousness. Jesus did teach to turn the other cheek and it must surely be true.Do these teachings contradict? The Old Testament does teach an eye for an eye it also teaches that vengence belongs ot God. Jesus taught that God's law is righteous and that he without sin should cast the first stone.

These teachings do not contradict. God is indeed righteous and man is not man is in need of a savior and he did fufill the law. We are by faith changed to God's righteousness and no longer serve sin. It does not mean the law has passed away but that we are by faith made in agreement with the law and God's righteousness.
Singingmama
2007-06-18 09:47:12 UTC
I don't hate gays I hate the sin that's in there life. I'm a christian and I sin everyday we all do we are not perfect. But I don't practice sin and when you are in a homosexual relationship you are practicing sin. Now since you want to compare the old and new testament, why don't you get out your bible and read 1 Corinthians (which is in the new testament by the way) Chapter 6 verses 9-11. It's a sin just like stealing, of gossiping, or having hatred, masturbation and a million others and if you are caught in it you will go to HELL. I don't care who wrote the bible or how many times it has been tranlated Jesus said that he would send the Holy Spirit which will be your teacher among others things. I don't care what people say I don't care what doctors or psychiatrist say you are not born that way it is a spirit just like every other kind of sin and if you don't accept Jesus into your life as your Lord and Savior and get delivered when judgment days comes and you go before Jesus He is gonna say "DEPART FROM ME, YOU WORKER OF INIQUITY I NEVER KNEW YOU"
The 2 points guy
2007-06-18 09:47:38 UTC
Yes there are different translations to the Bible but they are for easier understanding. If you look at the New American Standard Updated, it is the most accurate word for word translation from the original Texts. 1 Corinthians 6:9, 1 Timothy 1:10 also speak against Homosexuality.



Here is the kicker we are to love the people but hate the sin. Sin is what separates people from God and we should feel for those people because it is what is separating them from God. But we should love them just like Jesus loved them.



Jesus hung out with sinners all the time. If feel uncomfortable around a certain type of people...because we are all human...just do not hang around them.



The sad thing is that because a few morons that slap a big label on them-self saying "look at me, I'm a Christian," That ruins it for the ones who are true and sincere about loving others and wanting to help them find answers in this journey of life.
2007-06-18 09:55:28 UTC
No. People aren't to stand in judgment of homosexuality or anything else. That is the sole right of God.



Regarding the selective choice of Bible verses to back up any kind of hatred -- it may well be a practice of some to do this. The Bible is very specific in it's condemnation of homosexuality if you take it back to the original translations in context.



The 'eye for an eye' codex was actually originated by Hammurabi, the sixth king of Babylon and is referenced in the New Testament , Matthew 5:38 - "You have heard that it was said, 'Eye for eye, and tooth for tooth.' This is a specific reference to the codex of Hammurabi.



Luke 17:34 involves a subject mentioned in verse 30 "Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed." and refers to the fact that one in the field will be left and one will be taken; the two in bed likewise where one will be left and one will be taken.



In the era contemporary to the writing of the original manuscripts people slept on 'beds' we would call pallets and it was common to share sleeping areas of this type.



Likewise, often the male gender was used as a figure of speech to apply to all people and is not gender specific in that context. However "Two women shall be grinding together; the one shall be taken, and the other left." is a gender specific reference relative to the duties performed.



Those who are "left" are at the seventh seal, the seventh vial, and the seventh trump. Those who are "taken" were deceived by the antichrist at the sixth seal, the sixth vial, and the sixth trump.



I agree with your contention that Jesus never condemned gays. Christ was the advocate of the sinner and sought to forgive. However he also stated that he did not come to change 'one jot or tiddle of the law' and homosexuality was a violation of both Levitical law and Hebrew canon.



This prejudice for gays as you call it cannot be ignored because it contradicts the word of God and He finds it an abomination.



The Old Testament remains just as much the Word of God as the New Testament.
?
2007-06-18 10:49:40 UTC
Why would you wish to paint such a bigoted picture of Christians? There is only a small percentage of Christians who are homophobic.



The sad fact is - these days when anti-Christianity is the last acceptable bigotry, the minute someone opens their mouth and says something homophobic it is automatically ASSUMED that they are Christian.



I am not such a Christian. In fact, I don't know of anyone who IS such a Christian. I have many friends who are gay. I adore them.



I've seen a handful of hateful television evangelicals. They are a very small percentage. And yet they make a lot of noise.



The whole "squeaky wheel" thing.



They are equally hateful to other issues unlike themselves. Race. Other denominations of Christianity. Other religions.



We are not all like that. In fact, very few of us are.
Sweetkat
2007-06-18 09:35:04 UTC
Real Christians don't hold prejudice and hatred for anyone. That's what's so ironic about people who call themselves Christians. The Old Testament was basically the ancient manual for the Jewish faith - not Christian. The New Testament is the statement of faith for the Christian religions. I think too many people hide their inadequacy and rage behind the guise of religion. Christians should be outrages at real examples of sin like the Catholic Church and the pedophile issues. But, ignorance will probably go on about gays with these kind of people because they refuse to know the entire truth. They pick put what they want to justify their own agendas.
jay k
2007-06-18 09:34:46 UTC
First off who says that two men sharing a bed are gay? I slept in a bed with my sister while I was young does that mean we had relations? Of course not. The generality you applied to all Christians can be applied to your interpretation of what the verse says. That's my point they are vague and can be interpreted a number of different ways. Just as the teachings of Islam can be interpreted a number of different ways after all look how Al-Queda interpret some of the verses.



With that being said I agree with you, you have to search long and far in order to find versus that you could use to support "the hatred of gays". However, what's clear is the fact that it's the golden rule itself which says to treat your neighbor as you would want to be treated. After all the Golden Rule trumps any verse that was inferred in the first place.
cowboy
2007-06-18 09:39:43 UTC
You have just about summed it all up.

Just remember that only part of the Christian Church

condems Homosexuality. mostly the Catholic and Babtist branches.

Other's not only see "nothing wrong with being GAY" they also ORDAIN Gay & Lesbians ministers.

They all read the same Bible but the interpetation is hugely different.

Don't Forget that if the Bible were interpeted literally

those same Christians against omosexuality would have to also believe that the Earth is flat and that the Sun goes around the Earth.

cowboy feg797@yahoo.com
2007-06-19 13:15:50 UTC
While we agree that some terms are indeed perjorative and unnecessarily punitive in nature, there can be no denying that the words are used in the Bible to present the most accurate word picture of those engaged in leading others into serial sin are purposeful. The Bible hates the false prophet- false christ-false doctine triumvirate because they all are animated by satan. It is all a part satan’s grand, but delusionary scheme to overthrow the rule of God and then crown himself king of heaven and earth. Read more about satan’s grand scheme and its eventual outcome in Isaiah 14:10-15.



http://gcmwatch.wordpress.com/



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2007-06-18 09:34:58 UTC
Unfortunately, one of the Letters to the Romans clearly states that men with men as they would be with women is wrong. However, this is Paul's message, not Jesus'. While there ARE many Bible verses used to justify homophobia that are either poorly interpreted or supposedly not even relevant (as part of the old covenant), there is at least one in which homosexuality is blatantly disparaged.



I think people should still be interested in putting prejudice and hatred behind them, though. That was a large part of Jesus' message. People seem to forget about Jesus when talking about their faith.
?
2016-09-06 00:06:34 UTC
I feel the very concept of a loving couple that can or is probably not in a position to continuously procreate a plethora of "god-fearing" offspring is the sort of difficult thought for them to wrap their slim minds round, that they make it their project in lifestyles to antagonize, demonize and continuously harass humans genetically designed, (god's will if that makes any experience to devout absolutists) to be homosexual as a right away evolutionary byproduct of an excessive amount of str8 rabbit-like breeding. This additionally calls into query how a few xtians drive their deity into each and every imaginable crack of technological know-how that they expect have to be designed to validate their puppy deity, however others insist that best their religiously-proper narrative have to be credited for the whole lot found out lengthy after technological know-how had lengthy did the entire fundamental checking out and peer assessment earlier than making an statement approximately yet another clinical discovery founded upon outside proof, no longer internally doubtful intellectual proof of "devout religion". This god of the gaps is a lot more than only a pitiful try to make puppy devout subjectivity extra crucial than scientifically derived proof founded completely upon genuine concurrence, no longer simply subjectively doubtful devout-correctness. As an thoroughly bankrupt ideology that corrupts and continuously apologizes for it is possess inherent flaws, subjective devout correctness has end up so regular in devout herding mindsets, that all these humans don't seem to be even mindful that they are adversarial to the direct influence in their obsessive breeding method. This = extra genetically predisposed offspring that conflate and confuse devout absolutists seeing that some thing that forces devout opportunists to impeach the "plan" in their favourite deity has a tendency to drive such a lot of them not to make the direct correlation of ordinary biology of homosexual offspring to evolution. By a planned religiously handy disconnect, devout absolutists are not able to objectively deconstruct their obsessive procreation mantra, seeing that it is a long way less complicated in charge the homosexual on some thing "demonic" or possessive habits that of their minds has much less to do with ordinary human biology, however a convoluted willful human habits assemble that doesn't fit their insistence that to them, no organic blueprint of being homosexual exists, however a willful denial that to devout absolutists, all people have to be born str8 in any other case gays one way or the other are intentionally making a choice on to disclaim their puppy authority on religiously-proper biology a contradictory counter-intuitive devout "victory" over the ordinary procession of genetically located homosexual people. Nobody pretends to be homosexual seeing that they desire unwelcome bigotry, it is patently absurd that anybody could fake to be some thing in the event that they weren't stressed out to be homosexual from the second of perception itself.
Mark S
2007-06-18 10:07:53 UTC
The danger in religeon is when someone else tries to tell you how to live.

My sincere congratulations to the people of Turkey who told the government to keep religeon out of politics.

America would have alot less enemies around the world if it did the same. (Just an observation, don't need to put me on a list or anything).



If you are not causing anyone harm then what is the problem?
2007-06-18 09:43:54 UTC
I'm not a Christian and I care. Ugh nasty. You do know what they do with their thing? Always in each others mouth and butt with their thing. Ugh disgusting. How can anyone tolerate filth like that. And don't tell me it is not by choice. Everyone has a choice. Every sexual act is a choice. I'm not saying it's not their preference living in degradation. But is no different than child molestation. No one is compelled to molest a child. They can stop themselves. And no one is compelled to do the things homosexuals do to each other with their things. Ugh so disgusting.

BB
speranzacampbell
2007-06-18 09:36:11 UTC
The only way to discover the truth is to read one of the Ancient Hebrew texts, the Latin New Testament , the ancient Greek texts and the Aramaic versions (In the original languages) and compare them word for word with a modern version. Languages change over the years and translations have always been suspect.

For example the word "sporting" in the beginning of the 20th century meant a woman of loose morals that wasn't a whore.
Bros
2007-06-18 09:55:47 UTC
As a christian,I am on the opion that,gays should be cared for.Reason been that Christ taught us to love all.Frankly speaking,gay practise should not be considered as been biblical.The bible,except by canal interpretation of the scriptures,did not in any way encourage gay.The introduction of gay in christiandom is just in fulfilment of the scriptures-that in the later times men will turn away from the truth.
2007-06-18 09:32:45 UTC
Of course Christians should care. Why do people think that because something is opposed or disagreed with, it equals hate? It's a type of intolerance that the "politically correct" crowd gleefully engages in. Someone believes abortion is wrong? Imply that they hate the single parent. Someone believes homosexuality is wrong? Claim they are haters.



Men sleeping together does not have to mean sex. It means, as in camping or hotel rooms today, that there is perhaps limited space but no one wants to sleep on the ground. Get your mind out of the gutter.
Steven Colbert
2007-06-18 09:34:11 UTC
HAHAHAHA your so wrong. a substitution was not made in Luke 17:34. my bible reads two men in one bed as well. this does not mean that God is ok with homosexuality. your picking and choosing scriptures to justify your disgusting sexual sins. you read things out of context and dont look at the bible as a whole.





btw: a true christian will not hate a gay person...but they will hate the sin of homosexuality. they will not condone, engage, or accept this behavior. God is the one that says this is wrong, not humans.
2007-06-18 09:49:41 UTC
Yeah we don't agree with it but if any Christian says they hate you for it is sinning...God says to love everyone.....I am a Christian and my best friend is gay....he knows I think it is a sin and that I don't like what he does but doesn't mean I hate him so I am just saying a TRUE Christian is not going to say they hate you for your sin, they are going to hate the sin. I will pray for you!
2007-06-18 09:33:38 UTC
I love how Rev. Albert Einstien, did not really answer the question, as to the Contradictedness that the questioner posed.. Except with the usual Christian answer-quote from the bible. She is questioning it legitmacy Albert, why not answer from your own head with a logical explanation? Instead you decided to take the route of the usual, Stereotypical, Christian mind set, that You are not making a valid point with another excerpt..
Hey, Ray
2007-06-18 09:41:00 UTC
so then you're denying that the Bible says it's wrong? it never condoned it to my knowledge.



who said "an eye for an eye"? Jesus went to the spirit/motive behind the letter. Moses' message was discipline. don't tolerate foolishness. Christ went beyond that and said not to tolerate YOUR OWN foolishness. who are you to judge someone else's wrongdoing? that's God's job. God says to forgive and to be peaceful to the best of your ability, but abhor sin.



you don't understand the two men in one bed thing, do you? they're not engaging in acts. they're like brothers, relatives or friends. houses were not large. you had about 3 rooms. so if you have guests, you're not sending them to the kitchen or the bathroom to sleep are you? no. the bedroom/living room is where they will sleep. and I've never seen this scripture, but i doubt it's a substitution. there are several words for "men" in Greek: anthro, meaning humankind; andro, meaning male person; then "man" as in servant, "man" as in friend, and "man" as in "person".



Jesus said nothing about homosexuality? Matthew 11:23 corresponding with Genesis 19. tell me what you think.



you still don't understand that a slave was a servant who gave up his freedom to work for a master, do you?



I just don't see your point
MZ.NEZ
2007-06-18 09:33:18 UTC
I agree. The only bible that i read that is the closest to the real one is the King James Version.



In the bible it says that who so ever change one jot or one tittle from this book will be damned.



So all the editors who change it will get it.



Oh and the two bed thing was a parable. It wasnt wat you were thinking.



But I also dont agree with homosexuallity. You cant put the Old Testament against the new. I believe that they are people and that even Jesus said to not hate anyone.
razzthedestroyer
2007-06-18 09:34:08 UTC
I really like your question. It seems strange that Christians talk about love and everything, and then turn around and hate gays and lesbians. It's weird that they ignore most Old Testament laws but say the one about gays counts. It's like they get their religious ideas from a pot luck dinner. I'll have a little of this, no thanks to that, and a lot of the other. Jesus stated numerous times that the Old Testament still applies to his followers so they have to come up with elaborate explanations for why they don't stone women who lose their virginity before marriage, but they try to keep loving gay couples from marrying. I get my morals from my heart. My heart says that it is none of my business what other people's sexual orientation is. I trust my heart more than the Bible.
2007-06-18 09:31:46 UTC
Well, in the Book of Romans, Chapter 1, in the New Testament, there is clearly verbiage that indicates that same sex relations are immoral.



However, Jesus did not reject sinners. He embraced them.
johnywinslow
2007-06-18 09:33:34 UTC
no infact its the judgement that every christion feels the need to put on others thats makes the religion so bad in my mind, but to be fair thats any religion. Im not saying you have to allow them into youre church(though you should) but let people live the life they see fit. its non of christians buisness how another person lives that life. If god doesnt like it let him or her deal with it, NOT YOU!
SpiderBear
2007-06-18 09:32:54 UTC
i believe that many people try to spreak their beliefs to the world, try to make others support and follow them. but they feel like they need backup, and what better backup than the Bible?

i think some people do only choose searton parts and choose to exclude others.

why would God make us all so different if he wanted us to be the same?

take it from a homosexual



=]
2007-06-18 09:31:06 UTC
God and Christians LOVE gays. Always have and always will. The gay lifestyle is sinful just like many heterosexual acts are sinful. We pray for gays to repent but they won't so we give up.
2007-06-18 09:33:05 UTC
I'm a christian and I understand what your saying. I also go to CCD, and we learned that though you shouldn't be gay, you should always give the same respect to people who choose to be gay. So, the christian's who hate gay people aren't being too christian like at all.
?
2007-06-18 23:35:56 UTC
they dont hate them. they just know in their hearts that it is wrong. think about it. female and males bodys are made different for a reason...
2007-06-18 09:30:12 UTC
It is not the Christian way to bash and show hatred toward anyone. God tells us to spread the gospel, but he also tells us to love one another as ourselves. There are a few Christian groups out there who protest and are outraged at homosexuality. While I do not believe in homosexuality, I believe that it is my job as a Christian to love and show compassion for them, while also telling them what the bible has told us about the subject.



God Bless
2007-06-18 09:32:47 UTC
I'm christian and I don't hate Gay's or even talk much about it. I just think its gross hehe. And it is against christianity because sex befor marraige is a sin. And in this country gay's can't get married. So are you also saying sex with a animal is OK to.
SpiritRoaming
2007-06-18 09:32:59 UTC
This Christian does not concern herself with others lifestyles.



Many Christians don't. It isn't our place to judge.
debbie d
2007-06-18 09:38:32 UTC
should Christians care?yes, its our duty, we are to spread the word,not hatred.we are to teach, not judge..
Holy Cow!
2007-06-18 09:31:42 UTC
Christians need someone to blame during hard times. Jews and African-Americans are out of fashion so they've latched on to gays. It's not like it's anything new. They've done it over and over again throughout history. See the Spanish Inquisition, the Salem Witch Trials, the Black Death, I could go on and on.
Giggly Giraffe
2007-06-18 09:34:49 UTC
The Catachism of the Catholic Church says:

"2358 The number of men and women who have deep-seated homosexual tendencies is not negligible. This inclination, which is objectively disordered, constitutes for most of them a trial. They must be accepted with respect, compassion, and sensitivity. Every sign of unjust discrimination in their regard should be avoided. These persons are called to fulfill God's will in their lives and, if they are Christians, to unite to the sacrifice of the Lord's Cross the difficulties they may encounter from their condition."



This doesn't mean that we should look a blind eye eithor. Sex is the very meaning of life:



" Sexuality is not just something biological but concerns the “innermost being of the human person. “ To the extent that our understanding of sexuality is skewed, so is our understanding of ourselves. Think how intertwined sex is with the mystery of life. Without sex there would be no life.



The deepest truth about sexuality actually reveals the deepest truth about life. It’s this: we are called through the gift of God’s grace to share in God’s life by loving as he loves - and this call is stamped into our very bodies as male and female; it’s stamped into our sexuality. Paraphrasing John Paul II: rediscovery of the nuptial meaning of the body always means rediscovery of the meaning of the whole of existence, the meaning of life. That’s why it’s such an urgent matter.



The sexual urge taps into the most powerful drives and desires of the human heart. Depending on how they’re directed, these drives and desires have the power for great good or great evil. In short, as created by God, the sexual urge was given to us as a “love instinct” that leads to life. But when it’s cut off from the source of love and life (God), it tends to become a “lust instinct” that leads to death.

Sexual attitudes and behaviors then have the power to orient not only individuals but entire nations and societies toward respect for life - or toward its utter disregard. To be sure, when lust is woven into the fabric of a society, that society can be nothing but a “culture of death.”



Sounds exaggerated? Our nation alone murders over four thousand preborn babies every day

In order to satisfy its lusts. And that’s only the beginning. Disordered sexuality is the “Pandora’s Box” that unleashes a host of societal evils: from the poverty of “fatherless” families and the staggering proliferation of sexually transmitted diseases (some fatal, such as AIDS), to newborns found in dumpsters and increased violence among teens - all these can be traced to the breakdown of the sexual mores that hold the family intact as the fundamental cell of society. As sexual attitudes and and behaviors go, so goes marriage. As marriage goes, so goes the family. As the family goes, so goes society. Paraphrasing John Paul II: human life, its dignity and its balance, depends at every moment of history and at every point on the globe on the proper ordering of love between the sexes.



We will never build a civilization of love and culture of life unless we first live according to the truth of our sexuality. If the Church is “obsessed” with sex, it’s because she’s “obsessed” with upholding the dignity and balance of human life and the plan of God for humanity that our sexuality is meant to reveal." <"The Good News about Sex & Marriage" by Christopher West.
~Heathen Princess~
2007-06-18 09:31:55 UTC
I don't know. I suppose taking a look at themselves isn't as much fun as putting other people in thier place.
2007-06-18 09:32:08 UTC
No, Christians shouldn't care, and they defiantly shouldn't quote old testament.
rooster
2007-06-18 09:33:44 UTC
no each person has the job of judging themselves and not their neighbor -dont cast stones
2007-06-18 09:29:16 UTC
Once and for all, Christians DO NOT HATE GAYS!

They disagree with same sex acts. They are abnormal feelings of attractions they didn't ask for but have much like other abnormal feeling people may have. Yet, Christians believe they are called to overcome those abnormal feelings not succumb to them. If they choose not to, then that's their choice. That IS NOT hate but DISAGREEMENT.





Get it?





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Racoes
2007-06-18 09:31:50 UTC
Well God made Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve.



It's a sin, just like all other sins. I don't hate gays for their sin. I sin, you sin, all of us sin, nobody is perfect. I beleive we shouldn't judge them because of their sin, but try to help them out of it. It's a choice to me, others say it's a lifestyle, which I beleive no one should follow.
AJM
2007-06-18 09:31:39 UTC
I don't hate gays. It is a little gross in my opinion, but I don't hate them.
2007-06-18 09:30:51 UTC
what a crock...we arent the ones beating it to death...i dont even think about it unless someones starts up on it...ALL SIN IS EQUAL...WE are just quoting the Bible....why dont you stay in your own sect....you wont find agreement here...
2007-06-18 09:30:13 UTC
" Do not be deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor male prostitutes, NOR HOMOSEXUALS.....shall inherit the kingdom of God" ...... And such were some of you; but you were washed, but you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God". (I Corin. 6:9-11)



If the shoe fits....wear it.
2007-06-18 10:01:31 UTC
It's the hight of stupidity to compare gays to peados as peados molest kids unlike gays who like the same gender. The bible was wrote by people - not god



Kill People Who Don't Listen to Priests Deuteronomy 17:12

Kill Witches Exodus 22:17

Kill Homosexuals Leviticus 20:13

Kill Fortunetellers Leviticus 20:27

Death for Hitting Dad Exodus 21:15

Death for Cursing Parents Leviticus 20:9

Death for Adultery Leviticus 20:10

Death for Fornication Leviticus 21:9

Death to Followers of Other Religions Exodus 22:19

Kill False Prophets Zechariah 13:3

Kill the Entire Town if One Person Worships Another God Deuteronomy 13:13-19

Kill Women Who Are Not Virgins On Their Wedding Night Deuteronomy 22:20-21

Death for Blasphemy Leviticus 24:10-16





Thank you for doing so much to educate people regarding God's Law. I have learned a great deal from you, and I try to share that knowledge with as many people as I can. I do need some advice from you, however, regarding some other specific Biblical laws and how to follow them.



a) When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a pleasing odor for the Lord (Lev. 1:9). The problem is my neighbors. They claim the odor is not pleasing to them. Should I smite them?



b) I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in Exodus 21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her?



c) I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her period of menstrual uncleanness (Lev.15:19-24). The problem is, how do I tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offense. If I come into contact with a woman who is menstruating and she doesn't tell me until afterwards, must I kill her immediately or can I just beat her?



d) Lev. 25:44 states that I may indeed possess slaves, both male and female, provided they are purchased from neighboring nations. A friend of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans, but not Canadians. Can you clarify? Why can't I own Canadians?



e) I have a neighbor who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:2 clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him myself? Also, is Sabbath on Saturday as Seventh Day Adventists (Christians, like us...or are they?) or is it on Sunday as Baptists and some other faiths agree? I am beset by not knowing who to kill and when to kill them...please clarify this for me.



f) A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an abomination (Lev. 11:10), it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality (Lev. 18:22). I don't agree. I'm also confused about how homosexuality can be an abomination when Jonathan and David were married in the Bible (1 Samuel 18:1, 3 - 4). Here, I'll quote it - "And it came to pass, when he had made an end of speaking unto Saul that the soul of Jonathan was knit with the soul of David and Jonathan loved him as his own soul. Then Jonathan and David made a covenant, because he loved him as his own soul. And Jonathan stripped himself of the robe that was upon him, and gave it to David, and his garments, even to his sword and to his bow and to his girdle." and also Ruth's relationship with Naomi is suspect, (Ruth 1:16-17) "And Ruth said to Naomi, Entreat me not to leave thee, or to return from following after thee: for whither thou goest, I will go; and where thou lodgest, I will lodge: thy people shall be my people, and thy God my God: Where thou diest, will I die, and there will I be buried: the Lord do so to me, and more also, if ought but death part three and me." Can you settle this?



g) Lev. 21:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have a defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading glasses. Does my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle room here?



h) Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair around their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by Lev.19:27 and even though 1st Cor. 11:4-6 says that it is a shame upon a man to have long hair. How should they die?



i) I know from Lev. 11:6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes me unclean, but may I still play football if I wear gloves? Also, since it is strictly forbidden to "eat neither fat nor blood" in Lev. 3:17 & Lev. 19:26, does that mean that I must be a vegetarian and must I smite those who choose to eat meat?



j) My uncle has a farm. He violates Lev. 19:19 by planting two different crops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing garments made of two different kinds of thread (cotton/polyester blend). He also tends to curse and blaspheme a lot. Is it really necessary that we go to all the trouble of getting the whole town together to stone them (Lev.24:10-16)? Couldn't we just burn them to death at a private family affair like we do with people who sleep with their in-laws (Lev. 20:14)?



k) I know that it is an abomination for a man to wear a woman's clothes or a woman to wear a man's (Deut. 22:5), so does that mean that since my wife borrowed my boxers once, she's going to hell?



l) An unbeliever sent me an email telling me that God is an ABORTIONIST? It says, "In Num. 5:11-31, God commands a husband to get an abortion for his wife if he suspects she has been impregnated by another man. A priest is to make her drink a potion and tell her, "If any man other than your husband has had intercourse with you, may the LORD make an example of you . . . by bringing upon you miscarriage and untimely birth." To deliberately cause a miscarriage is to perform an abortion. And who brings about this miscarriage? Who performs this abortion? It is the LORD who does so. God is an abortionist. In Ex. 21:22-25, God tells us what to do if a man who is fighting knocks against a pregnant woman. If the woman dies, the principle of "life for life" is invoked and the man responsible for her death must be killed. If she lives but has a miscarriage, then the death of the fetus is to be compensated for by the payment of a fine, as demanded by the woman's husband. Thus, God has revealed the status of the unborn fetus: it is not an independent, full-fledged human life, whose destruction amounts to murder. It is a thing owned by the woman's husband, a thing whose loss, like that of any other thing, may be compensated for with money." How can this be true?



I know you have studied these things extensively, so I am confident you can help. Thank you again for reminding us that God's word is eternal and unchanging and also for the reassurance that the Bible is infallible
2007-06-18 09:30:18 UTC
i never have... they can (literally) go NUTZ, i couldn't care less.
slaveof12gods
2007-06-18 09:30:33 UTC
it isn't a surprise how they are not to judge , but still do!


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