Question:
Jehovah Witnesses say the United Nation are satanic , yet the were members for 10 years . any thoughts?
La Sombra
2010-05-28 20:12:33 UTC
The Watchtower Bible and Tract Society:
a member of the United Nations for 10 years!


So? What's wrong with that? Nothing, except Jehovah's Witness leaders, who claim to have exclusive claim to biblical truth, have taught for many years that the United Nations and its predecessor, the League of Nations, are the so-called Satanic beasts of the Apocalypse or the Revelation of John. In fact, they said this is the very "scarlet-colored wild beast" that "Babylon the Great" or the "Great Harlot" of Revelation rides. "Babylon the Great" to the Jehovah's Witnesses is the "World empire of false religion" which includes all Christian, pagan, and world religions. This theology is claimed to be directly from God Himself. The "beast" or the United Nations will turn on the "whore" and destroy all religions in the world except Jehovah's Witnesses, the only "true Christians." Listen to their descriptions of the United Nations:

"The very League of Nations and its successor, the United Nations, represent an international conspiracy against God's kingdom, which was born in the heavens in 1914 at the end of the Gentile Times. This international organization for peace and security by human means is a deceptive counterfeit for God's kingdom by his Lamb, which Jehovah's witnesses have been preaching to all the nations since the end World War I. Thus the whole scarlet-colored "wild beast" is against the heavenly Messianic kingdom."(Babylon the Great Has Fallen-God's Kingdom Rules p. 596)

Listen also to their claim to have nothing to do with this satanic organization:

"Jehovah's Christian witnesses immediately recognized that the scarlet-colored wild beast had now ascended out of the abyss. But they did not worship it any more than they had joined Babylon the Great and the worldly nations in idolizing the League of nations, the "beast" in its original form."(ibid p.585)

"Now that it has ascended out of the abyss and been out since 1945, the Bible shows that what next it will do is to go off into destruction"(ibid p. 594)

"Lovers of eternal life in God's new order of things will not join in this modern idolatry "(ibid p. 590)
Fourteen answers:
X
2010-06-01 04:31:46 UTC
Jehovah's Witnesses were NEVER a member of the United Nations.....let alone for 10 years.



As is usual for hate groups, of which you and "troll to troll" obviously belong, your claim is false and a lie.
2016-04-14 13:03:36 UTC
The UN's Deptartment of Public Information (DPI) said that the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society applied for membership in 1991. Ironically, while they were applying for membership as an NGO with the United Nations, this article appeared in the June 1, 1991 Watchtower, p17, Their Refuge – A Lie, paragraphs 10, 11: "In her [false religion, the Great Harlot, the Catholic Church] quest for peace and security, she insinuates herself into the favor of the political leaders of the nations—this despite the Bible’s warning that friendship with the world is enmity with God. (James 4:4) Moreover, in 1919 she strongly advocated the League of Nations as man’s best hope for peace. Since 1945 she has put her hope in the United Nations. (Compare Revelation 17:3, 11.) How extensive is her involvement with this organization? A recent book gives an idea when it states: “No less than twenty-four Catholic organizations are represented at the UN. Several of the world’s religious leaders have visited the international organization. Most memorable were the visits of His Holiness Pope Paul VI during the General Assembly in 1965 and of Pope John Paul II in 1979. Many religions have special invocations, prayers, hymns and services for the United Nations. The most important examples are those of the Catholic, the Unitarian-Universalist, the Baptist and the Bahai faiths.” Although the Watchtower article does not name the source for it’s quote, it’s obvious they were citing this book: PRAYER AND MEDITATION AT THE UNITED NATIONS - By Robert Muller "Prayer, meditation and spirituality at the UN are fascinating subjects. All major world religions are accredited to the United Nations AS NON-GOVERNMENTAL ORGANIZATIONS [NGOs]. For example, no less than twenty-four Catholic organizations are represented at the UN. Several of the world's religious leaders have visited the international organization. Most memorable were the visits of His Holiness Pope Paul VI during the General Assembly in 1965 and of Pope John Paul II in 1979. Many religions have special invocations, prayers, hymns and services for the United Nations. The most important examples are those of the Catholic, the Unitarian-Universalist, the Baptist and the Bahai faiths…” The writers of the WT article above KNEW they were talking about NGOs in paragraph 11. So, with it’s right hand, the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society was condemning the Catholic church for its NGO membership with the United Nations and defining that association as "Babylon the Great insinuating herself into the favor of the political leaders of the nations", while it’s left hand was applying for the very same membership. Luke 12:1-3 - Watch out for the leaven of the Pharisees, which is hypocrisy. But there is nothing carefully concealed that will not be revealed, and secret that will not become known. Wherefore what things you say in the darkness will be heard in the light, and what you whisper in private rooms will be preached from the housetops.
troll to troll
2010-05-30 09:49:32 UTC
The Jehovah's Witnesses practice denial. This denial comes in the form of Cognitive Dissonance.



The Watch Tower is deceptive and lies even to it's own people it's own followers. The Watch Tower long after being "outed" as part of what they call satanic.

DOs and COs for quite sometime quelled questions with certain excuses which later the Watch Tower wrote up mendaciously excusing themselves.



The Watch Tower has weathered many many false prophecies, flip flop docrines, new illuminations, and so forth because the followers want to believe the lie. (Link)

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The Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society is a legal entity and American publishing company.

Is Russia banning religion or a corporation?

The organization is accused of being an "extremist sect" of having an "unfriendly attitude towards other churches” and of “refusing military service or alternative civilian service".



The followers of the legal entity and publishing group are called Jehovah's Witnesses.

Jehovah's Witnesses fully believe what the leaders teach through the printed material of the Watch Tower.

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Jesus was never banned though there were groups that tried to find anything they could to stop Him.

Jesus continued to teach in gathering places and synagogues.

He was welcomed to Jerusalem by a large crowd.

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Anyone that compares themselves to Jesus the Son of God is arrogant particularly while calling all other people under the influence of satan and the demons.
debbie2243
2010-05-28 20:22:52 UTC
You'll see when the time comes...how humble are you? Like a child?

When Jehovah moves to and fro the angels follow wherever he goes and so do we.



He told Noah to build a ship for a flood when it had never rained...



He sent angels to bring Lot out of the city



He sent Jonah on a trek of telling everyone they were condemned



He allowed his own people to be slaves for 400 years.



He made an donkey talk



He put a spirit person into a woman



We have to obey everything because Jehovah has a plan and he rewards those who believe and not grumble.
Τιμοθέῳ
2010-05-29 07:40:15 UTC
Well somebody had to use thirdwitness as an answer to this question and not bother to answer it him/herself!



This is like saying a JW must have no association with birthdays and then made a small contributory membership of that birthday, and say later it was okay. Any association with anything they believed to be satanic is utmost hypocrisy, because THEY were the ones who said the UN is the satanic beast before THEY started to associate with this beast only after THEY condemned the Catholics for associating with this very same beast!



For the FDS to say they did not associate with the beast is a total and outright lie! Running away from the satanic beast after 10 years and still saying they didn't associate with it is way too hard to believe! Why leave the beast, and why not go back???
Boanerge
2010-05-28 20:41:12 UTC
GOD'S KINGDOM WILL SOON DESTROY HUMAN GOVERNMENTS



Daniel 2:44: And in the days of those kings the God of heaven will set up a kingdom that will never be brought to ruin. And the kingdom itself will not be passed on to any other people. It will crush and put an end to all these kingdoms, and it itself will stand to times indefinite









GOD SENT US TO BE IN SUBJECTION TO THE GOVERNMENTS



Romans 13:1, 2: Let every soul be in subjection to the superior authorities, for there is no authority except by God; the existing authorities stand placed in their relative positions by God. 2 Therefore he who opposes the authority has taken a stand against the arrangement of God; those who have taken a stand against it will receive judgment to themselves.





Mark 12:17: Jesus then said: “Pay back Caesar’s things to Caesar, but God’s things to God.” And they began to marvel at him.









Any thoughts?
Revenant in Reverance
2010-05-28 20:22:13 UTC
Do you even know what UN membership is? Go research the term "non-governmental organization" and request yourself to become a member of the UN. After reading the packet they send you, you may understand the difference a little more clearly.
Saramlou
2010-05-28 20:29:53 UTC
Fella I've known some of these people for years and I have studied their beliefs and their organization. You are way out in left field. The WBT Society has never been members of the UN..
2010-05-28 20:29:41 UTC
Your church teach that this world is in the control of Satan...but your church get involve in Politcs and supported the war of Iraq.



Go figure



The Land letter was a letter sent to U.S. President George W. Bush by five evangelical Christian leaders on October 3, 2002, outlining their support for a just war pre-emptive invasion of Iraq. As its foundation for support, the letter refers to the "criteria of just war theory as developed by Christian theologians in the late fourth and early fifth centuries A.D." The letter was written by Richard D. Land, president of the Ethics & Religious Liberty Commission of the Southern Baptist Convention. It was co-signed by:



* Chuck Colson, founder of Prison Fellowship Ministries

* Bill Bright, chairman of Campus Crusade for Christ

* James Kennedy, president of Coral Ridge Ministries, and

* Carl D. Herbster, president of the American Association of Christian Schools
2010-05-31 00:50:43 UTC
Greetings,



The claim that the Watchtower Soc. “joined the UN” or in any way compromised their neutral position regarding governments is a bunch of smoke and mirrors! It has been disproved many times on various web pages and discussion groups. Yet, these critics are still desperately attempting to convince others that the WTS politically joined the UN.



The Watchtower Soc. become an Non-Government Organization (NGO) in 1991. The position of an NGO is only consultative; it only aids and promotes the UN's gaining it's objective in that the NGO advises and informs IN AREAS WHICH ARE OF CONCERN TO THE NGO.



Article 3 of the UN charter states: "3. The organization shall undertake to support the work of the United Nations and to promote knowledge of its principles and activities, IN ACCORDANCE WITH ITS OWN AIMS AND PURPOSES and the nature and scope of its competence and activities."--ECOSOC Resolution 1296 (XLIV) Arrangements for Consultation with Non-Governmental Organizations



Then section 14 repeats the same thing: "...involve ONLY THE SUBJECTS for which that organization has a special competence or in which it has a special interest."–Ibid



In doing this the WTS is not promoting or condoning the methods, actions or glorification of the UN organization any more than a Witness would be promoting a government when he seeks relief from injustice from any governmental judicial authority! The Bible clearly shows that human governments are controlled by Satan and will be destroyed by God, yet Paul retained his Roman citizenship and participated in the judicial system in order to secure human rights. He promoted the principles and activities of the Roman government "in accordance with Christian aims and purposes." We do no different!



Witnesses support any government in areas which do not conflict with God's laws, and we can become members of periphery organizations which work under governments and advise governments on things such as human rights and religious freedom. This is not the same as becoming part of these governments.





The foundation of the whole argument by critics on this subject is that the Society obligated itself to "support and promote everything the UN stands for." This is a blatant falsehood, a major smokescreen and misrepresentation of the ACTUAL AGREEMENT ORIGINALLY SIGNED by the WTS as shown by the actual documentation.



The facts of the matter are that the UN itself informed the NGOs that "association of NGOs with the DPI DOES NOT CONSTITUTE THEIR INCORPORATION INTO THE UNITED NATIONS SYSTEM!" (Cf. ECOSOC Resolution 1296; Part II,12.)



Here is what the Information Officer of The NGO Section said when questioned about the WTS: The question was: "Some friends of mine are concerned over the WTBTS not saying nice things about the UN, is this a problem?" He answered: "You can criticize the UN. But, we would take offence if they were ...saying they were a UN organization WHEN THEY REALLY ARE NOT."--Mr. Oleg Dzioubinski Information Officer NGO Section Department of Public Information United Nations New York, N.Y.



As can be seen from this quote NGO’s “really are not a UN organization”!! Therefore there was absolutely no unscriptural alliance with the UN by the WTS! Except for all the misrepresentations by those deceitfully trying to discredit the WTS, these plain statements would be the end of the matter.





The fact of the matter is that there was no “mistake” by the WTS when they originally applied to be an NGO. When the WTS agreed to become an NGO in 1991 the OFFICIAL registration papers did not require anything that compromised our position. The Society has stated: "Registration papers filed with the United Nations that we have on file contain no statements that conflict with our Christian beliefs."



The problem was that long after this there was a change in the official requirements for an NGO. In 1994 a brochure was printed up stating: "A new relationship between the UN and NGOs is now being created...We have seen NGOs are taking on important new responsibilities."



Then we find the 1996 Criteria for Association of NGOs describing the work of NGOs using language that Witnesses clearly cannot agree with; encouraging political participation, strengthening and support of the UNSystem etc. Also, in the a later NGO brochure we find that there was in fact an official change in the relationship and requirements of NGOs. (http://www.un.org/MoreInfo/ngolink/brochure.htm) [sorry links no longer good]



Quoting from the brochure: "After three years of negotiation, ECOSOC reviewed its arrangements for consultation with NGOs in July 1996. One outcome was ECOSOC Resolution 1996/31, which revised the arrangements for NGO consultation with ECOSOC....A second outcome...Decision 1996/297, which recommended that the General Assembly examine, at it 51st session, the QUESTION OF THE PARTICIPATION OF NGOS IN ALL AREAS OF WORK OF THE UN."



So all the previous documentation clearly confirms exactly what the WTS has said: That *after* they applied for NGO status there was a change in the language of the Criteria for Association. When this was brought to their attention they *immediately* withdrew their participation.



A fair and reasonable examination of the *facts* can only lead to the conclusion that there was no "unholy alliance" with the UN. There was no contradiction of Christian principles or conflict with stated beliefs and practices of Jehovah's Witnesses. The only "issue" here is in the overactive minds of unreasonable critics.



As soon as it was pointed out to the WTS that the latest version of the "Criteria for Association of NGOs" had been changed long after they originally became an NGO and contained language that they did not agree with they IMMEDIATELY withdrew their registration. Instead of seeing this as a reasonable corrective step it is lyingly presented as some type of coverup. What rot! These same individual's own religions refuse to correct their false doctrines, immoral standards and participation in human slaughter. Yet they want to criticize us for quickly correcting some slight misstep that was not even the WTS fault?





Therefore all the evidence shows that the WTS' obligation was only limited to its own particular interests and did not have anything to do with military activity or any other such non-neutral activity.



The foundation of the whole argument by critics on this subject is that the Society obligated itself to "support and promote everything the UN stands for." This is a blatant falsehood, a major smokescreen and misrepresentation of the ACTUAL AGREEMENT ORIGINALLY SIGNED by the WTS as shown by the above documentation.



Yours,



BAR-ANERGES
Classical Liberal Jochan
2010-05-28 20:14:50 UTC
They aren't known for being the most logically thinking folks.
etha(n_e)scapes
2010-05-28 21:39:02 UTC
Oh how very misinformed you are!



http://www.thirdwitness.com/UN/www.jehovahsjudgment.co.uk/watchtower-un-ngo/
Going Stedy
2010-05-28 20:22:25 UTC
I don't believe this to be true but if it is, then it is hypocrisy.
Matt
2010-05-28 20:15:22 UTC
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pwnt.


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