Question:
christians, why do you use a sexual symbol for christianity?
2010-09-20 09:09:56 UTC
Ask any neo-pagan and they will explain the most common interpretation is its derivation from a simplified image of a woman's womb or vagina. The fish symbol was often drawn by overlapping two thin crescent moons, signifying a woman's monthly cycle.

So why do you say it is the symbol of chrsit?
22 answers:
Rico Toasterman JPA
2010-09-20 09:14:11 UTC
What is represented by a spiral symbol, a knot, a circle, a cross? These are all simple and common symbols used across cultures and throughout history. They mean whatever a collective group of people decide them mean, regardless if they represent other meanings for other people. The Ichthys is a visible representation of an acronym of Christ.



A Half Circle had a special underworld meaning sacred to the Kiva of the Hopi, but was the Rising Sun to the Japanese an Ocean away. This doesn't imply a connection or causal relationship between the two culture's uses of the same symbol



I find it more ironic that many Christians don't understand it comes from a Greek acrostic and has nothing to do with the miracles of the loaves and fishes or being fishers of men.



Ichthys (the Greek word for Fish) can be read as an acrostic, a word formed from the first letters of several words. It compiles to "Jesus Christ, God's son, savior," in ancient Greek "Ἰησοῦς Χριστός, Θεοῦ ͑Υιός, Σωτήρ", Iēsous Christos, Theou Huios, Sōtēr.



Iota (i) is the first letter of Iēsous (Ἰησοῦς), Greek for "Jesus".

Chi (ch) is the first letter of Christos (Χριστὸς), Greek for "anointed".

Theta (th) is the first letter of Theou (Θεοῦ), Greek for "God's", the genitive case of Θεóς, Theos, Greek for "God".

Upsilon (y) is the first letter of yios (Υἱὸς), Greek for "Son".

Sigma (s) is the first letter of sōtēr (Σωτήρ), Greek for "Savior".
Paul
2010-09-20 09:16:28 UTC
Because the origins of the symbols have nothing to do with paganism or neo-paganism. The fish symbol used in christianity is because Jesus called christians to be "fishers of men" and the Greek word Ichthus was used as an acronym for Jesus Christ God's Son and Saviour.



The cross is obvious, Jesus was crucified on a cross.



When two things look the same for different reasons it's called a coincidence. The world is full of unrelated coincidences.
2016-04-20 21:57:18 UTC
I'm not sure were all your 'information' is from on Christianity, but it is completely wrong. Christianity, especially in the beginning, was Very Anti-woman. What you are talking about doesn't even sound like Judaism, which is what the Old Testament is all about. For many people it is because of the Power that the Christian churches had and have that makes them hated. It isn't so much the religion itself, but the leaders and some followers who try to ram their beliefs down other's throats. I can't even begin to go through all the errors in your description of Christianity. Christianity, in it's purest form, means 'Followers of The Christ', which is Jesus to their minds. Read the words of this person. His words are what Christianity should be all about. Christians do Not believe in ancestor worship. Again, I am at a loss as to where you got these completely false ideas and would Love to have a reference from you so I can read them myself.
Ironette
2010-09-20 09:33:35 UTC
I am pretty sure that this symbol was used as a symbol to show whether or not you were a friend or foe from the early Christians. A symbol easily drawn & anyone who didn’t know the symbol would think you were just doodling. I looked it up to be sure. I have also read somewhere that there were Romans sent in as spy’s & this symbol was used for them to protect them because, low & behold they would end up converting instead. I forgot where I read it, Sorry



If you look throughout history you can see that many things in Christianity are copied. I think this just stems from the jealousy that satan has that he can not create anything himself. So, he spends his time perverting those things that God created. I have noticed in my studies that anything I ever thought Christians copied that that was not the case. It was always from much to early to date & it was from a devoted follower of YHWH. Now I am not talking of any holiday. I am talking of the prophecies & stories.Holidays are from man anyway
2010-09-20 09:26:56 UTC
And yet you cite no legitimate sources for this "common interpretation" info? And who cites the neo pagan's, where they got it? Ask any regular Joe or Josephine on the street what the fish symbol is connected with. Ain't gonna be pagans, darlin'.



One for us.



"Greeks, Romans, and many other pagans used the fish symbol before Christians. Hence the fish, unlike, say, the cross, attracted little suspicion, making it a perfect secret symbol for persecuted believers. So the early Christians made practical use of this symbol for practical convenience. It is somewhat similar to the use in our days of bumper-sticker and business-card practice to be recognised by strangers, although we are not yet under persecution."

---- Not heavy persecution anyways. Yet. Hair pulling doesn't count.
juanny
2010-09-20 09:31:26 UTC
Good question. And why the cross for Christ? Jesus was hanged upon a stake, pole, or pylon, a simple upright pole as was the custom.

According to Webster’s dictionary a cross is “a structure, typically an upright supporting a horizontal beam, anciently used in the execution of malefactors.” In the Bible the Greek word usually rendered cross is stauros. Its Latin equivalent is crux. Was the stauros or crux on which Christ died a traditionally shaped cross?

The facts are that authorities are not agreed that there is “no doubt” about the nature of the stauros on which Christ died and are not agreed that it was the traditionally shaped cross. The Encyclopædia Britannica, 1907 and 1942 editions, under the term “cross” states that Christ is “generally believed” to have died on such a cross, that at best it is only “by general tradition” that the matter is established.

As for religious authorities, one states: “The accounts of the manner of the crucifixion being so meager, any degree of certainty is impossible.”1 And another tells that “no definite data are found in the New Testament concerning the nature of the cross on which Jesus died. It is only the Church writers after Justin Martyr who indicate the composite four-armed cross as Christ’s vehicle of torture.”2

And concerning the terms stauros and crux we are told that ‘stauros properly means merely a stake.’ “In Livy [Roman historian shortly before Christ’s ministry] even, crux means a mere stake.” “The Hebrews have no word for Cross more definite than ‘wood.’”3

That Christ did not die on the traditionally shaped cross is also indicated by the testimony of the catacombs. Thus Dean Burgon, in his Letters from Rome, wrote: “I question whether a cross occurs on any Christian monument of the first four centuries.” Mons Perret, who spent fourteen years doing research in the catacombs of Rome, counted in all a total of 11,000 inscriptions among the millions of tombs. According to him, “not until the latter years of the fourth century does the sign of the cross appear.” Among the signs that do appear are the dove, a symbol of the holy spirit; the lyre, a symbol of joy; the anchor, a symbol of hope and the fish. Why the fish? Because the letters of the word “fish” in Greek are the same as the first letters of “Jesus Christ, God’s Son, Savior.”

Clearly there is no Scriptural support for the traditional cross as a symbol of Christianity. Then how can its adoption by professed Christians be accounted for? It was borrowed from the surrounding pagans. It is another one of the many paganisms that the early apostate Christians adopted so as to appeal to the pagans and to be more like them. In this they followed the example of the Israelites who wanted a king so as to be like the nations round about.

The giving of reverent devotion to a creature or thing is disgusting to Jehovah God, for he is “a God exacting exclusive devotion.” That is why King Hezekiah “removed the high places and broke the sacred pillars to pieces and cut down the sacred pole and crushed to pieces the copper serpent that Moses had made, for down to those days the sons of Israel had continually been making sacrificial smoke to it, and it used to be called the copper serpent-idol.” As apostate Israelites worshiped the copper serpent, so the cross has been worshiped by apostate Christians.—Ex. 20:5; 2 Ki. 18:4,
~Soulful~™
2010-09-20 09:21:57 UTC
In the bible Jesus says "I will make you fishers of men"....and it can represent a few different things. How another group uses that symbol matters not.



In Christianity is comes from the Greek word Greek word for fish, ixthus and was used by the early Christians as an acronym and secret symbol meaning:



I Iesous (Jesus)

X Xhristos (Christ)

TH Theos (God)

U Uios (Son)

S Soter (Savior)



Have a good one!
Demi
2010-09-20 09:18:30 UTC
The cross and its many variants is actually used as a sun wheel in many Heathen and Pagan traditions. If you are referring to another Christian-utilized Pagan symbol, I'm not sure which one it is. Also, the ichthys (Jesus fish) had many different ways of being expressed and many different meanings. All of the common symbols used in the new faiths have much older histories. I don't give them grief over this for a very simple reason. We do NOT own any symbols and symbols mean different things to different people. The "nazi swastika" is actually the Nordic fylfot and means something very different to me than it would to a Nazi or a Jew. It is also used in Buddhism and many other faiths - and ascribed a different meaning to each of those groups based on personal beliefs and accompanying culture.



In short, it may mean one thing to me, but it most certainly means something else to the Christians, obviously, or they'd not use it.
Ernie
2010-09-20 09:15:45 UTC
During the years of persecution, the fish symbol was drawn in the sand by one Christian, and completed by another Christian as a form of communication. That is why it is a Christian symbol, and not because of some pagan religion. It has no other meaning to a Christian than this, because the cross is truly the real symbol of Christianity. Romans 10:9-10 is how to be born again, and have eternal life.
expertgal
2010-09-20 09:25:47 UTC
Many icons have more than one meaning to different people or

groups. The fish symbol was a means of communication to the

early Christians (nothing more, and nothing vaginal). to you and

maybe others, it may mean a woman's womb or vagina??

God gave the symbol of the rainbow as a vow that the world

would never be snuffed out by flooding waters. Now the Gay

folk are using the rainbow as their symbol in flag colors and other

representations they use. So, it means one thing to Christians and

another thing to Gays. Make sense?
cymry3jones
2010-09-20 09:51:45 UTC
The fish symbol was introduced as a secret sign for Christians at a time when Christians were still not accepted and were being persecuted. It comes from the initial letters in the phrase, 'Jesus Christ, Son of God, Saviour,' in Greek. This gives you the word ICHTHUS or ICHTHYS, which is the Greek word for fish.
Lone Ranger,Christian Israelite
2010-09-20 09:17:29 UTC
Actually the fish is a phallus symbol not a vaginal one. It comes from the worship of Nimrod. The circle is the vaginal one. Most churches are laid out either in a circle or in the shape of a vagina. Another vaginal symbol is the heart folks use on valentines day, which is another pagan symbol. Coupled with the arrow from cupid's bow, it symbolises a phallus going into a vagina.



http://philologos.org/__eb-ttb/default.htm
MythBuster
2010-09-20 13:52:21 UTC
Jehovah's Witnesses do not use Pagan symbols. When people deviated from pure worship they often incorporated paganism in order to make the transition from one form of worship to another more easily accepted
2010-09-20 09:17:40 UTC
Ichthys is a Greek acronym for "Jesus Christ, God's son, savior."



That's Christians used the fish as a secret symbol in Rome.
seajay
2010-09-20 09:20:35 UTC
This symbol, for Christians, is the acronym for Jesus Christ and a symbol representing the apostles who were mostly fishermen.
2010-09-20 09:17:54 UTC
Im allergic to fish. lol. Nothing sexual to me.
Dresden Rose
2010-09-20 09:16:33 UTC
They lack the imagination to design their own symbol. They borrowed a symbol from Paganism just like they borrowed most of their religious beliefs.
JJ Bear
2010-09-20 09:18:26 UTC
We can clearly see where your thoughts lie.



Have you not read in the Bible about the miracle of the fishes that Jesus the Christ performed?



Read it here;

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+14&version=KJV



j~
TCC Revolution
2010-09-20 09:14:39 UTC
They don't research. They follow what the majority says.





GOD BLESS
j2
2010-09-20 09:12:05 UTC
They like to have sex
Insallah
2010-09-20 09:16:41 UTC
what?
2010-09-20 09:12:11 UTC
dk what youre talking about....get over it....JESUS DID A MIRACLE WITH FISHES so relax..


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