Do you accept the scientific theory of evolution?

?

2013-11-29 01:59:37 UTC

4. Species have and will go extinct if they fail to survive

I have to admit I find this argument irrefutable. You obviously put a lot of thought into it.

?

2013-11-28 18:27:05 UTC

1. What proof is there that we all evolved from a single celled micro organism? What was the micro-organism like? How many genes? Where did it come from? What was the process that allowed or caused the self replicating genetic information to originate? Are there any fossils of the original? Can we duplicate the conditions of early earth and see this process in an experiment, and thus have empirical evidence? How do you know it wasn't 100 different cells from the same process that started life? What is your personal understanding of this?

If evolution is such a gradual change, how could a mammalian land dweller become a fully aquatic mammal (whale) in less than 5 million years, due to all the beneficial mutations needed - plus the time for the changes to become fixed in the population? I just read where a fully aquatic whale was found and it was assigned the age of 49million years. Well, this throws a monkey wrench into the time line for whale evolution.

Much new evidence has been coming in for decades refuting many evolutionist claims I hope you will reconsider and look at both sides of the evidence.

carl

2013-11-28 17:25:33 UTC

I accept that God could have used an evolutionary process in our creation. However, I do not agree with all of your points. I do not agree with number 8 for instance. I believe that we were created special apart from the animals in the image and likeness of God. Even if our bodies were evolved God gave us an immortal spirit in his image.

Also, with number 7. While its true that scientific theory can have a different meaning than the common usage of the word theory, scientific theories are subject to change. No scientific theory can every be complete because it has to be open to new data, which could potentially change or even falsify the theory.

In addition, I believe that if evolution occurred it was a directed evolution or a theistic evolution. There is nothing in the evidence for evolution that would say that it is either directed or non-directed. To claim that evolution is non-directed is therefore a philosophical claim which I do not adhere to. I do not believe that life as we know it could have evolved on its own without help from a creator.

Because I am a Christian theist if at some point the evidence for evolution and the old age of the earth were overturned and it was demonstrated to be the opposite, then I would have no problem with that because I am not limited to a natural view like an atheist would be.

2013-11-28 16:08:50 UTC

Hello,

I've always been on the fence about the theory of evolution. To be honest I do think there are some very good scientific facts..but I don't think the theory of evolution is 100% full proof. I do not believe that they are right in everything they believe.

My reasons are simple..and although I am not a biologist of any kind I have done research. Again, you can probably argue my points..but this is what I believe:

1. Everything comes from something. Scientists claim to have produced some sort of life form in the lab..but they didn't just generate the 'ingredients' needed out of nothing. In order for life to be created there must be some basic material...Where did these atoms, molecules, elements..all of it..where did it come from?

2. I don't know if I believe in evolution as much as i believe in adaptation. I do believe that species can adapt to environments or situations over time. But there isn't any evidence of a change in species..that's what evolution is right? There's a big difference between adaptation and evolution.

3. We can't actually see evolution because it is something that takes billions of years to happen. Therefore we must have some level of faith to believe in evolution. We cannot see it and there is no perfect proof of a change in species...therefore to believe in the theory of evolution we must have some faith. So no, the theory of evolution isn't a solid answer.

4. In my opinion, I believe the world is so complex. What are the chances that all these things happened so perfectly? Let's just look at the way our body functions...It boggles my mind how such a complex world along with the universe and all it contains, humans, animals, oceans, mountains etc. came to be by chance.

I do believe in some kind of higher power..and I do believe in God. I'm not trying to force God down your throat lol, I am just giving you my opinion.

Hope my thoughts are interesting :)

Have a great day!

T James H

2013-11-29 06:37:03 UTC

Thanksgiving is a harvest festival that predates the Pilgrims and is more relevant than any other holiday in the Northeast. The Wampanoag and the Pilgrims had just wiped out other tribes, like many of our Irish ancestors, but we New Englanders are not celebrating war on Thanksgiving. Thanksgiving is likely pre christian.

Humans are apes and apes are monkeys. Humans and orangutans evolved from a common ancestor, that was also an ape. The orangutang did not stop evolving.

re-re b

2013-11-28 15:58:37 UTC

I think that often the question of accepting evolution often comes down to three main categories...

1) Evolution as Darwin explained (which he later questioned himself)

2)God made it.

3)God created everything but He made it in ways that it could evolve.

Really, if you consider any of them, they are all crazy. One says something came from nothing by explosion or mutation then kept mutating until *blam* we have what we have today and years later we will have new things...

The second proposes a being that was just there, who knows where he came from, but then he formed the earth, the waters, the sun, the stars, animals, humans and *blam* we have what we have today...and that's that!

The last says it is both of those ideas working together.

So, Your question was do YOU accept the scientific theory of evolution. MY answer is No.

I know there are scientists who hold firmly to the theory based on their observation or understanding of how particular things work. There are other scientists who look at creation and say it is so complex that it could not possibly have evolved, so there must be a creator. There are those who doubt the Bible has any validity whatsoever and others who have been surprised as places mentioned or manuscripts used for the Bible have been discovered. ( I acknowledge that there have been false claims in religion as well, such as Jesus's burial shroud, but there are false claims in evolutionary science as well- such as gill slits being present in human embryos)

I do take the Bible as literal, meaning that I believe that God created things just the way that Genesis says. I am also interested in archeological discoveries that confirm what the Bible has said. A few examples can be found here http://www.nbcnews.com/id/28162671/ns/technology_and_science-science/t/jewish-archaeological-discoveries/#.UpfWV94o7IU

I believe in the changing of a person's life after faith in Christ based on my own experience and also of other people I know. I think that since evolution is a progressive process, then the current evidence for it is lacking. Humans have been the same for how many years now? As long as there has been recorded history. I know that we are living to better health and longer ages but that is due to scientific medical discoveries, not to evolution.

I don't think that generally speaking there is an explanation that will sway someone who believes one way or the other. It is often just a spinning point for argument, the same as democrat vs republican or pro-life vs pro-abortion. There are things that people may never agree on. I think it is important to understand that and to exchange ideas at appropriate times in a peaceable manner. For example, if my teacher were teaching evolution, I do not think it would be appropriate to interrupt his or her lecture to explain what my views are.. that would be disrespectful. At the same time, if he/ she asked what we thought, I would find it completely acceptable to state what I believe. I also do not think that berating someone for their beliefs in evolution or creation or something else entirely is conducive for presenting valid information on which you have formed your own beliefs.

?

2013-11-28 15:40:55 UTC

But, Keith... You never defined what the Theory of Evolution is. So how could I answer unless you first define your terms?

I could be a real jerk and suggest you are suggesting Lamarckian evolution by not specifying, even though I think I know what you mean. Which is probably Darwin's Theory of Evolution, which is not the current Theory of Evolution. The current Theory of Evolution explains the mechanism, whereas Darwin's theory actually qualifies as a law.

I think I'm done being a jerk for the time being. Happy Turkey Day.

Yeah, I don't celebrate holidays. I'm not a JW or anything like that, I just don't do holidays. I'm well aware of the real history of Thanksgiving in America, and so many people deny that. Also, everybody is Irish. Everybody. If it wasn't for Mullingar, I wouldn't be talking to you now.

Rick

2013-11-28 16:15:06 UTC

‘There is no such thing as "just a theory" in science.’ - You truly do not understand that much about science.

The Theory Evolution is a theory because it cannot be demonstrated to work by testing.

For example, Newton’s laws of motion are laws because they can be tested and demonstrated to work every time. Newton’s laws of motion are principally what were used to get people to the moon and back.

It should be noted that the Theory Evolution is in fact evolving. We have Phyletic Gradualism as opposed to Punctuated equilibrium, hopeful monster or Macromutation theory and a lot of other variations. I don’t have a clue what Neo-Darwinist view is in vogue at the moment but whatever it is I am sure that it will be superseded by something else fairly soon.

The reason for all these Neo-Darwinist views are required is because the evidence doesn’t quite fit the theory.

See DNA Double Helix: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NvtvqGdMJbo

?

2013-11-28 15:43:49 UTC

And all of that is simply mans speculation of how we came about we simply do not know how or even why we are here on this planet. We only know that life is a form of energy other than that man really doesn't have a clue of how life came about. You say life comes from a single cell maybe that's possible but it's not factual it's just scientific theory. The absolute factual evidence for mankind is his death and whatever happens after that is straight speculation.

NDMA

2013-11-28 15:40:22 UTC

Yes, which is this "Evolution consists of changes in the heritable traits of a population of organisms as successive generations replace one another. It is populations of organisms that evolve, not individual organisms" http://www.nas.edu/evolution/Definitions.html

And does not encompass:

1. Human beings did not evolve from monkeys, apes, guerrillas etc. We share common ancestry with them. We have btw all evolved from the same single cell organism.

OR

5. The fact that many creatures have limbs that they no longer use (such as wings that cannot produce flight) is evidence of evolution. It proves that there is some sort of gradual change taking place. Perhaps the bird is going through a change of bringing about a new line of species that are non flying creatures. This effect works in the opposite direction to, aquatic creatures obtaining the anatomy of a land mammal and thus being regarded as mammals themselves. Ex the whale and dolphin. None of these factors would make any sense if creation was the case. It only makes sense in terms of natural selection or adaption

Because gross morphology (which is the basis for taxonomic distinctions between genus and above) is not the product of hereditary genes but non-protein coding regulatory areas of the chromosomes ( http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2011/10/111025122615.htm )

And Genome DNA serves as carrier of static genetic information, which is interpreted by transcription and translation to manipulate phenotype. ( http://abbs.oxfordjournals.org/content/44/1/40.full ) and so is not subject to selection.

Science and information is always changing you really should keep on top of the literature!

Randy the Atheist: That was the original argument. It was based on the assumption that that ERV's are random. Further research shows that some ERV's are highly specific in ingergration insertion choices. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3009702/

Science and information is always changing you really should keep on top of the literature!

OLD Says: NDMA: the idiot of the internet.

Edited 21 minutes ago

Who for some reason is the only one in this thread who is citing peer reviewed scientific papers to support his position - Go figure!

?

2013-11-28 15:30:08 UTC

I accept this idea, and I'm in love with it. There is no other branch of science more interesting than evolutionary biology.

And there's frosting on the cake: Evolution makes the god-soaked cry.

"8. Human beings are just another animal species."

Totally true, except since we don't talk about "chimpanzee beings" I think we should throw out the words "human beings". It's more accurate to call our species "human apes".

Randy wrote about ERVs which are smoking guns. Evolution is fact.

"angel g" knows how to copy and paste bullshit but she's knows nothing about science.

Another person wrote: "It's really only a minority of fundamentalists who do not."

That's bullshit because Gallup polls have repeatedly shown 46% of Americans are evolution deniers which would be at least 50% of American theists. That isn't a minority.

Another person wrote: "Now, evolution is NOT a theory. It's a FACT."

This shows even people who accept evolution know very little about science. A theory is the highest level of understanding in science, higher than an hypothesis, higher than laws, and higher than facts.

NDMA: the idiot of the internet.

?

2013-11-28 15:29:52 UTC

Yes.

To any idiot fundamentalists...

Evolution is a fact. It is your right to deny this of course. Luckily, opinions don't alter facts though. Facts should alter opinions.

Dismissing evolution as "just a theory" simply shows that you don't really know what the word "Theory" means in a scientific context.

We didn't evolve "from" modern Apes. We evolved "with" them. Think of great apes as our cousins. We share the same grandparents so to speak.

Earth is 4.6 billion years old, not 5,000. We evolved. We weren't created by a God from dust and ribs. This is not preaching. It's education.

You are the result of billions of years of evolution. You will only live for a few years and will never exist again. Absolutely beautiful.

Sillypants

2013-11-28 15:29:45 UTC

Yes.

(The sad thing is, though you were simply speaking factually as if, "Fire is hot. Ice is cold. We do not come from monkeys." The religionists* will see your list of facts as "doctrine to believe on faith, no different than if I listed Bible quotes.")

*Creationists of all religions, to be specific.

angel g said the following NONFACTUAL thing:

"Scientific Fact No. 4 - Human Egg and Sperm Proves Evolution is Wrong: ... male sperm contains either an X-chromosome for the reproduction of a male or a Y-chromosome for the reproduction of a female."

WRONG! DO NOT PASS GO! DO NOT COLLECT $200.

YOU!

ARE!

WRONG!

Your *ENTIRE* post can now be DISCARDED.

Gregory

2013-11-28 15:39:44 UTC

no its false

why do people keep saying we never evolved from monkeys, apes, and guerrillas.

if we if share a common ancestor like you suppose we then evolved from them

to say we never evolved from them but from a common ancestor is oxymoron and pure nonsense

why do you keep saying a scientific theory is based on evidence

just because a group of people (peer review) agree on something does not make it true

if a theory agreed by peer review is then found not to be true

it had no evidence to begin with and it was false

you ever hear of a A superseded, or obsolete, scientific theory is a scientific theory that mainstream scientific consensus once commonly accepted but now no longer considers the most complete description of reality, or simply false.

if something has evidence it occurred it would never be found to be false

something true can never be found to be false. since most theories were found to be false they never were true in the first place.

2013-11-28 15:36:17 UTC

Scientific Fact No. 1 - Birds Prove Natural Selection is Naturally Wrong

Help! I can't fly. My head is too big, and my wings are too small.

The idea of natural selection sounds great when considering deer. The deer that can sense danger the quickest and run the fastest are able to escape the predator on a more consistent basis. However, other examples on the evolutionary tree have many laughable flaws. One of the best is the thought that a bird began to evolve a wing. Why this would occur is not answered by evolutionists. The wing stub did not make the bird more adaptable in his environment. The wing was much too small for the bird to fly. Why would a bird evolve a wing that was useless? This is backwards from the evolutionary natural selection concept that birds adapt and change in order to survive better in their environment. The bird with a half-size wing is placed at a disadvantage in its environment. Why would the bird continue for millions of generations improving a wing that was useless? The theory of evolution is based on natural selection of the most adaptable member of a species. A bird with a useless wing is at a severe disadvantage and the opposite from natural selection. According to natural selection the members of the bird species with the smallest useless wing would be the most adaptable and most likely to survive in the largest numbers. According to the theory of natural selection birds could never evolve to fly. Evolution is simply nonsense. This is so funny. We are then led to believe that some birds got tired of carrying around a worthless half-size wing so they grew fingers on the end to help climb trees. The wings became arms and a new species was developed. Evolutionists actually believe this nonsense.

Scientific Fact No. 2 - Species Without a Link Proves Evolution is Wrong

The evolutionist will claim that the presence of many individual species proves evolution. This shallow statement is devoid of reason, logic and scientific proof. Evolutionists line up pictures of similar looking species and claim they evolved one to another. Humans are a great example. There are hundreds of species of extinct monkeys and apes. Petrified skulls and bones exist from these creatures. Evolutionists line up the most promising choices to present a gradual progression from monkey to modern man. They simply fill in the big gaps with make-believe creatures to fit the picture. This procedure can be done with humans only because there are many extinct monkey and ape species. They never do this with giraffes and elephants. These pictures are placed in all evolutionists' text books to teach kids this nonsense. The picture is simply a grouping of individual species that does not prove evolution.

Scientific Fact No. 3 - Single Cell Complexity Proves Evolution is Wrong

Scientists a century ago believed the smallest single living cell was a simple life form. The theory developed that perhaps lightning struck a pond of water causing several molecules to combine in a random way which by chance resulted in a living cell. The cell then divided and evolved into higher life forms. This view is now proven to be immature to the degree of being ridiculous. The most modern laboratory is unable to create a living cell. In fact, scientists have been unable to create a single left-hand protein molecule as found in all animals.

Scientific Fact No. 4 - Human Egg and Sperm Proves Evolution is Wrong

The evolutionist ignores the problem surrounding the human female egg and the male sperm in the evolutionary theory. The female egg contains the X-chromosome and the male sperm contains either an X-chromosome for the reproduction of a male or a Y-chromosome for the reproduction of a female. The female eggs all develop within the ovaries while she is a baby (fetus) within her mother's womb. Evolutionists claim environmental factors cause small changes in the offspring in the evolutionary chain. However, the environmental experience of the female cannot change the chromosomes within her eggs and cannot have any effect upon her offspring. Her body cannot go into the eggs contained within her ovaries at her birth to make an intelligent change. Females cannot be a part of the evolutionary theory for these reasons.

Scientific Fact No. 5 - DNA Error Checking Proves Evolution is Wrong

The scientific fact that DNA replication includes a built-in error checking method and a DNA repair process proves the evolutionary theory is wrong. The fact is that any attempt by the DNA to change is stopped and reversed.

Scientific Fact No. 6 - Chaos From Organization Proves Evolution is Wrong

The second law of thermodynamics proves that organization cannot flow from chaos. Complex live organisms cannot rearrange themselves into an organism of a higher form as claimed by evolutionists. This is scientifically backwards according to the second law of thermodynamics that has never been proven wrong. Scientists canno

2013-11-28 15:45:45 UTC

You are correct about everything except for saying the following: ''Do you accept the scientific THEORY of evolution?''.

Now, evolution is NOT a theory. It's a FACT. This isn't directed at you but it will be directed at the Christians who will begin foaming at the mouth and begin spewing their stupidity.

PaulCyp

2013-11-28 15:47:24 UTC

Of course I do. I also "accept" gravitational theory and atomic theory (even though we know far more about evolution than we know about gravity).

Basic Sense

2013-11-29 15:01:45 UTC

The problem with evolution is that 4.5 billions years is too short. you do not have enough time for even 1 new species forming.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LwqaKFZtoGk

Fascinating...

2013-11-28 15:33:46 UTC

Yes, although these factors is really just a list of evidence.

2013-11-28 15:35:59 UTC

Certainly. I am an atheist and a highly-educated one to boot.

In fact, I know more than a few religious people well, and they, too, accept evolution. It's really only a minority of fundamentalists who do not.

XaurreauX

2013-11-28 15:29:39 UTC

You don't need item #3 because you have covered it in item #2.

Kissthepilot

2013-11-28 15:44:27 UTC

There is no such thing. Evolution is evil, and bad for science.

Apostle James The Greater

2013-11-28 15:28:59 UTC

All Christians know that Evillution is just a lie rubbed unto them by Satans workers.

2013-11-28 15:44:48 UTC

I usually do tend to accept facts...

2013-11-28 15:29:08 UTC

Oh yeah sure like I'm going to believe that. If god sees this question he's going to be really pissed.

?

2013-11-28 15:32:16 UTC

Its a religion and needs faith to believe in it where no TRUE evidence has ever been found for that theory

?

2013-12-01 07:47:39 UTC

yes,of course i acpect.

?

2013-11-28 15:29:02 UTC

Yep, learned it in 7th grade biology.

Captain Sarcastic

2013-11-28 15:28:57 UTC

Of course I do. I am a rational and educated adult.