Why do nonchristians want God take out of our schools?

Question

The founding fathers of this sovereign nation were Christians. 'In God We Trust' on the money is proof of this. So why take Jesus Christ out our schools? We can't help that you were born abnormal and hideous.

Answer 1

Because they want to see us end up like the Roman Empire, Ancient Babylon and Greece , Which is no longer existing and crumbled into the ground as a result of moral decline eventually leading to us to be conquered by other societies . God bless.

Answer 2

"Why do nonchristians want God take out of our schools?"



A country with freedom of religion as provided by the Constitution of the United States cannot pay for sermons in a public school funded by tax dollars from all. In 23 states the Bible is offered as an elective course as a cultural text and it does not present it as a fact.



"The founding fathers of this sovereign nation were Christians."



The Founding Fathers were largely deistic, which is a belief in a deity that does not intervene in nature and who possesses no similarity to the Christian god or the Bible. That's why you'll find references to "God" in their texts but not to "Jesus" or "The Bible." In fact in some of the writings of Thomas Jefferson you'll find comments that criticize Christianity and its myths.



"'In God We Trust'



It was added to the money and the pledge as late as the 1950s under McCarthyism.



"We can't help that you were born abnormal and hideous."



Well can you at least improve your grammar ? Because dressing in short shorts is not the same thing as getting an education.



Might I also suggest that you read the Bible ? Several New Testament passages ban dressing provocatively. And since you claim to be a Christian, shouldn't you follow the book ?

Answer 3

A few flaws in your question.

Not all the founding father were christian. Some were admittingly deist, at is is thought that some were even atheist.

'In god we trust' wasn't added to the dollar bill untill 1956.

The US was founded as a secular state, with separation of church and state.



I have two reasons for not putting god into schools.



1) There is no scientific or 100% verifiable proof of the existence or validity of the teachings of christianity. Why teach something that may actually be wrong?

2) What about those who have a different or no beleif system? Are they to be taught something that they have no beleif in at all, and is therefore completely irrelevant to them.



US is a secular nation. Not a christian theocracy

Answer 4

Actually, the founding fathers of our nation were Deists. The printing of money with the phrase" In God We Trust" has only been printed on the currency of this nations for the last 50 - 60 years.

First off, I'm not abnormal or hideous and I believe you insult everyone reading your question. Second, I would not like to have my child or anyone else's child being force to swallow a religious doctrine that is not of their own and being told that this is the only religion. I fully support the separation of church and state!

Answer 5

In god we trust became the national motto in 1956. You may be a young earther but you don't think the "founding" of your nation was only 52 years ago, do you?

"As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion" was part of the Treaty of Tripoli, unanymously ratified in 1797 by George Washington, John Adams, Thomas Jefferson who were the founding fathers of the USA.

So try again!

The United States founding fathers were NOT christian. The country was NOT founded as a christian nation. That there are people out there who are not content with limiting themselves to Sunday brainwashing of the masses & now wants to ensure that children do not have a useful brain cell by forcing them to believe that the bible is fact instead of fable, that's just criminal.

You are going against the founding fathers and the principals that this nation is based on. We are defending the nation against people that wish to permanently harm our children against the greatest enemy the United States has. That is the way it is.

Answer 6

Because not everyone nowadays is Christian. We are not abnormal or hideous. Our founding fathers also wanted religious freedom. Not freedom from religion but the freedom to not have the government work against other religions. Public schools are government funded, therefore they need to be for everyone!



And just so you know, I really do wish that social studies classes could discuss many different religions since misunderstanding is a big source of intolerance.



However, I am not OK with forcing it on kids or making them feel inferior in what is a public school. And I am definitely not OK with religion dressing up as science and ending up in science classes!

Answer 7

Heh heh, you do realize that christianity wasn;t even "made/founded" in America right? America is just a bunch of emigrants and immigrants and lost people that ended up having bigger guns and more power. Yet we see those people that first came here as the pure example of an "American" where actually America should be diverse. Of course with so much diversity there arises problems with beliefs like such a one you stated here....



Well imagine if you went to another country and on their money they had "In _____ we live" with the blank meaning some kind of other god.... how would you feel? I know I wouldn't really care since I hardly look at money that closely anyway.

Answer 8

Because the two should not be mixed. I used to be a christian (my mom and I converted to something else a while ago) and I go to a christian school now. I can tell you that it gets in the way of a real education. Our science class is limited to "god created all of it and evolutionists are wrong" thats no exaggeration. We cant talk about how cells asexually or sexually reproduce. There is no health class because they dont want to talk about sex. English class is basically bible class. Social studies talks about how wars were justified because god commanded it. And Our morning devotions involve us praying that god will destroy Islam (which is not ok).



I used to go to a public school and I can tell you I learned a lot more there than I did in the christian school. Which is a shame because my high school education is being wasted on things I either dont believe in or already know. I want a career in astrophysics and this is education will get me anywhere.

Answer 9

Not only that but the laws of the land were initially based on biblical principles but are now being changed.

The simple answer is the majority is no longer Chrisitian.

ps - no one born abnormal or hideous chose to be. Haven't you watched the Benjamin Button story?! lol

Answer 10

No, in fact the founding fathers were Deists, not Christians. If they were, JESUS would have been added, not just God.



"In God we Trust" was added in the 20th Century.





Why do Christians, or excuse me, XIANS like you want to force God onto others? Didn't YOU have a choice to believe? Why can't others?!?



You attitude is nothing short of fascism.









EDIT: I know, I use Xian as a slam since most fundies get pissed at the idea of Xmas. I've been calling false Christians Xians for about 10 yrs now.



It's amazing how they pay more attention to a letter wor written word, instead of it's meaning. (and no, I'm not talking about you on this one.)

Answer 11

Separation of Church and State read on - - -







Last updated Fourth of July, 2000







One of the most common statements from the "Religious Right" is that they want this country to "return to the Christian principles on which it was founded". However, a little research into American history will show that this statement is a lie. The men responsible for building the foundation of the United States had little use for Christianity, and many were strongly opposed to it. They were men of The Enlightenment, not men of Christianity. They were Deists who did not believe the bible was true.



When the Founders wrote the nation's Constitution, they specified that "no religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States." (Article 6, section 3) This provision was radical in its day-- giving equal citizenship to believers and non-believers alike. They wanted to ensure that no single religion could make the claim of being the official, national religion, such as England had. Nowhere in the Constitution does it mention religion, except in exclusionary terms. The words "Jesus Christ, Christianity, Bible, and God" are never mentioned in the Constitution-- not once.



The Declaration of Independence gives us important insight into the opinions of the Founding Fathers. Thomas Jefferson wrote that the power of the government is derived from the governed. Up until that time, it was claimed that kings ruled nations by the authority of God. The Declaration was a radical departure from the idea of divine authority.



The 1796 treaty with Tripoli states that the United States was "in no sense founded on the Christian religion" (see below). This was not an idle statement, meant to satisfy muslims-- they believed it and meant it. This treaty was written under the presidency of George Washington and signed under the presidency of John Adams.



None of the Founding Fathers were atheists. Most of the Founders were Deists, which is to say they thought the universe had a creator, but that he does not concern himself with the daily lives of humans, and does not directly communicate with humans, either by revelation or by sacred books. They spoke often of God, (Nature's God or the God of Nature), but this was not the God of the bible. They did not deny that there was a person called Jesus, and praised him for his benevolent teachings, but they flatly denied his divinity. Some people speculate that if Charles Darwin had lived a century earlier, the Founding Fathers would have had a basis for accepting naturalistic origins of life, and they would have been atheists. Most of them were stoutly opposed to the bible, and the teachings of Christianity in particular.



Yes, there were Christian men among the Founders. Just as Congress removed Thomas Jefferson's words that condemned the practice of slavery in the colonies, they also altered his wording regarding equal rights. His original wording is here in blue italics: "All men are created equal and independent. From that equal creation they derive rights inherent and inalienable." Congress changed that phrase, increasing its religious overtones: "All men are created equal. They are endowed by their creator with certain unalienable rights." But we are not governed by the Declaration of Independence-- it is a historical document, not a constitutional one.



If the Christian Right Extremists wish to return this country to its beginnings, so be it... because it was a climate of Freethought. The Founders were students of the European Enlightenment. Half a century after the establishment of the United States, clergymen complained that no president up to that date had been a Christian. In a sermon that was reported in newspapers, Episcopal minister Bird Wilson of Albany, New York, protested in October 1831: "Among all our presidents from Washington downward, not one was a professor of religion, at least not of more than Unitarianism." The attitude of the age was one of enlightened reason, tolerance, and free thought. The Founding Fathers would turn in their graves if the Christian Extremists had their way with this country.



Consider this: IF indeed the members of the First Continental Congress were all bible-believing, "God-fearing" men, would there ever have been a revolution at all?



"For rebellion as is the sin of witchcraft." 1 Samuel, 15:23



Would they have initiated a rebellion if indeed they thought it was equal to witchcraft (a crime punishable by death)? But that's only the tip of the iceberg. The New Testament gives clear instructions to Christians on how to behave when ruled under a monarchy, as were the Founders.



1 Peter 2:13: "For the Lord's sake accept the authority of every human institution, whether of the emperor as supreme, or of governors, as sent by him to punish those who do wrong and to praise those who do right."



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Answer 12

you are mistaken. the founding fathers did not declare the United States a christian nation. the United States was declared a nation that was free to worship any god. thomas jefferson, john adams and ben franklin thought it was best for america to remain secular. church and state mix like oil and water.

Answer 13

Troll alert.



But since its a slow evening I'll take my two points



Christianity is one of the youngest religions in the world. 90% of the other religions in this world PREDATE Christianity so if ANYONE has the right to be in the schools its them and not Jesus.



Whether the country was founded by Christians is irrelevant - not everyone in the country is one. Send your kids to christian or catholic school if you want Jesus in their schooling - RELIGION classes in will not get them into a secular college.

Answer 14

"In God We Trust" was not placed on currency by the founding fathers. Furthermore, they were not all Christians.

Answer 15

In God we Trust is relatively new to money and wasn't put there by the founding fathers.



There's nothing about God in the constitution.



There is a separation of church and state.



You can pray at home though. It's not our fault you were born gullible and ignorant.

Answer 16

Which god are you going to teach our students about?



Do you want our students to learn about Zeus, Isis, Ra, The Flying Spaghetti Monster, and The Invisible Pink Unicorn?



If you don't, then good! We agree on most of them... What makes you so GD special that YOUR god should be taught to EVERYONES kids? If you want you kids to know about it, teach them at home. I pay taxes too, and I don't want our schools teaching your mythology to my children. Thanks.

Answer 17

No child is prevented from praying at any time. They just cannot force any other child to pray also.





It's well known that most of the founding fathers were deists, not Christians. Some of the early Presidents had contrary views of Christianity, that are not well known to many:



"The day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus, by the Supreme Being hat have been the fras his father, in the womb of a virgin, will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerva in the brain of Jupiter."

- President George Washington



“Christianity is the most perverted system that ever shone on man”



“Religions are all alike -- founded upon fables and mythologies”



- Thomas Jefferson



"Paul was the first corrupter of the doctrines of Jesus"

-- Thomas Jefferson



"Difference of opinion is advantageous in religion. The several sects perform the office of a common censor over each other. Is uniformity attainable? Millions of innocent men, women and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burnt, tortured, fined, imprisoned; yet we have not advanced an inch towards uniformity. What has been the effect of coercion? To make one half the world fools, and the other half hypocrites. To support roguery and error all over the earth." - Thomas Jefferson









"My earlier views of the unsoundness of the Christian scheme of salvation and the human origin of the scriptures have become clearer and stronger with advancing age and I see no reason for thinking I shall ever change them."

- President Abraham Lincoln





"The purpose of separation of church and state is to keep forever from these shores the ceaseless strife that has soaked the soil of Europe with blood for centuries." - James Madison







"The way to see by faith is to shut the eye of reason." — Ben Franklin, Poor Richard's Almanack, 1758.



"The Bible is not my Book and Christianity is not my religion. I could never give assent to the long complicated statements of Christian dogma." — Abraham Lincoln.



"What are the fruits of Christianity ? Superstition, bigotry and persecution." — James Madison, 4th president of the U.S.



"This would be the best of all possible worlds if there were no religion in it." — John Adams, 2nd president of the U.S.



Question with boldness even the existence of God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason than that of blindfolded fear." - Thomas Jefferson



"Religions are all alike - founded upon fables and mythologies." - Thomas Jefferson



"History, I believe, furnishes no example of a priest-ridden people maintaining a free civil government." - Thomas Jefferson



"In no instance have . . . the churches been guardians of the liberties of the people." - James Madison



" The divinity of Jesus is made a convenient cover for absurdity." - John Adams



"Lighthouses are more helpful than churches." - Benjamin Franklin





"The Bible is not my book nor Christianity my profession. I could never give assent to the long, complicated statements of Christian dogma."

-- Abraham Lincoln



"The divinity of Jesus is made a convenient cover for absurdity."

-- John Adams



"Christianity is the most perverted system that ever shone on man."

-- Thomas Jefferson



"The civil rights of none shall be abridged on account of religious belief or worship, nor shall any national religion be established, nor shall the full and equal rights of conscience be in any manner, or on any pretence, infringed.'' - James Madison (Original wording of the First Amendment; Annals of Congress 434 (June 8, 1789).)



"It has been fifty and sixty years since I read the Apocalypse, and then I considered it merely the ravings of a maniac." - Thomas Jefferson



"We discover in the gospels a groundwork of vulgar ignorance, of things impossible, of superstition, fanaticism and fabrication ." - Thomas Jefferson



"Take away from Genesis the belief that Moses was the author, on which only the strange belief that it is the word of God has stood, and there remains nothing of Genesis but an anonymous book of stories, fables, and traditionary or invented absurdities, or of downright lies."

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http://freethought.mbdojo.com/foundingfathers.html .

Answer 18

Why do the churches demand that schools do their job?!!



When is the church going to start teaching science and evolution?!!



School is for education, churches for indoctrination - stick with what each does best!!

Answer 19

you idiot we didn't have federal currency until long after the founding fathers were dead and they were actually mostly agnostics and deists. Read some of their personal letters some get pretty scathing about religion.

Answer 20

No, the founding fathers were not Christians.



I don't agree with God in school because you have to define God and there are too many disagreements over who or what God is.

Answer 21

nonchristians? that's funny, the last i checked muslims and isrealis have no problem with god remaining in school, and neither one of them are christian. beauty fades, dumb is forever.

Answer 22

Because men are trying to make people become bad and so that everyone will become a part of Capitalism completely. Jesus doesn't want us "boxed" but free and willing to do good for our people surrounding us. They don't! They want people in total chaos so that they can control them and their lives!

God Bless

Answer 23

The Founding Fathers of this nation were DEISTS!!!! How many times do I have to repeat that?!



EDIT: to the dude below me, uh, XAINS is like saying Christians too. "X" in Greek means Christ...just saying.

Answer 24

Because they are antichrist.



But you don't have to worry about them. Just tell your children to bow their heads & pray when they feel like it. Even in school.



Anyone who tries to prevent the little children from coming to Jesus are in danger of hell fire! Jesus said so. You just tell your children this. Jesus said, "Don't forsake the little children from coming to me!".

Answer 25

1. Can you tell me when that was first printed on the money?



2. Why didn't your school teach you about the constitution?

Answer 26

Repeat after me...



The founding fathers did not put In God We Trust on our money.



The founding fathers did not put In God We Trust on our money.



The founding fathers did not put In God We Trust on our money.



The founding fathers did not put In God We Trust on our money.



The founding fathers did not put In God We Trust on our money.



The founding fathers did not put In God We Trust on our money.

Answer 27

Honey, while some founding fathers were indeed Christians, the most famous and influential were Deists. You're not too bright, are you.

Answer 28

You're either a troll or the smartest person in your church.

Answer 29

And we can't help that you were born an ignorant redneck. I guess we're even then.

Answer 30

it says in god we trust but has a symbol of Ra behind it that is not christian

Answer 31

Obvious troll is obvious.

Answer 32

Is that really you in your avatar?Smokin,you is well fit.

Answer 33

And we can't help that your a judgmental idiot.. Please learn some history before making yourself look dumb online.

Answer 34

which god?

Answer 35

And we can't help that you're narrow minded and stupid. No seriously, that was a stupid question.

Answer 36

Because they hate God. To those who think the motto appeared only recently, it first appeared on the two cent piece in 1864. Look it up in the red book "Guide to United States Coins".