I found genuine evidence on here for the existence of a God?

Question

Think about this:

- The universe is amazingly fine-tuned to support life. Special parameters such as Earth's distance from the sun, elemental composition, atmospheric composition, etc. All of them must be perfectly balanced for life to exist. The odds that a planet would have these exact parameters by random chance is 1:10^282 (282 zeros).

- The odds that a single protein molecule would form by chance is 1:10^243

- Everything that happens is an effect that has a cause. So what was the First Cause?

- Jesus fulfilled every single prophecy that was made about Him. The odds that He would fulfill only eight of them is 1:10^17.

- If Jesus had not truly risen, why couldn't His enemies simply produce His body and show it to everyone to prove He was still dead? That would have easily shut down Christianity, but they couldn't do it.
((OF COURSE they couldn't find it.http://www.jesusneverexisted.com))

- Why were Jesus' disciples and other eyewitnesses be willing to be tortured and killed for their testimony to the Resurrection if they knew it was false? What did they have to gain?

- Why did some of Christianity's strongest opponents, such as Saul of Tarsus, suddenly turn around and become passionate evangelists?
((he went a little nutty maybe??)
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I realize all of these arguments don't prove anything, and they have all be refuted countless times.
But THESE are the arguments true believers are using. If they used their computers ito actually research these points, they might understand how these arguments are sorely invalid, desperate even, especially the last one.

So my Q is: What's with this information gap? If these are his arguments, then can I assume, given today's access to information, that his arguments, as a christian, are not arguments from ignorance, but rather a WILLFUL deception? Contempt for humanity, even?

Anti-social personality types can and will do such things and laugh to themselves.

-atheist

Answer 1

You need to understand that many Christians are what we could call "indoctrinated" they are made to reject rationality from a young age. Those people can't be blamed, just like people who simply lack the mental capability or education to understand the given arguments.



However yes, at the top of all this there are indeed people who wilfully lie to either themselves or other people.

Answer 2

Having come from that background, I'd say I know something about this. What happens is that people who use those arguments, in spite of very good information right in front of them that soundly refutes those arguments, do so because they are simply unable to think critically regarding these points.



I experienced this myself. It appears that what happens is something like this: some kind of neural pathways get established that establish ideas that are taken as absolute, unquestionable truth, even though they're false. In the face of these unassailable, but faulty concepts, no amount of sound reasoning or other virtue will break through. It is only when the person decides that these faulty concepts are not unquestionable that there is the possibility of revealing them for what they really are. And it can be a sort of automatic, reflexive kind of thing that keeps them all in place and protected from valid criticism.



After a person maintains such falsehoods as absolute truth for long enough, it can begin to have serious ill effects on the mind and on one's ability to make decisions and succeed in life.

Answer 3

As someone who has been an atheist my whole life I must admit that I simply do not understand the point of view you described. This is merely speculation, but I know that people can become very suggestible when in a hypnotic/trance state - even to the point of absolutely believing that they are on fire, when that is suggested to them, (despite the fact that they are fine and not on fire at all) and their belief can be strong enough to cause them to have psychosomatic effects which resemble blisters or burns on their body. Perhaps the mental process, or cultural immersion, or mass hysteria, or whatever it is that causes people to accept religious beliefs is like a hypnotic state?

Answer 4

The gap is because there are but two type of Christians. Charlatans and witless dupes. Any Christian that strays into the zone between the two becomes a non-Christian rather quickly.

Answer 5

What your missing to set it off is to say Jesus is the true Lucifer any Christian who doesn't know what it means won't get what I'm saying, and that it was light that was in the beginning with God so how can their be a greater thing than having God come in a big bang.

Answer 6

Ha, this guy put this as his answer to another question and I actually responded with a rebuttal to each point. I guess I'm just bored with not enough to do.

Answer 7

Please explain where you got those numbers from, and what analysis you performed. To me it looks very much like you came up with arbitrary figures to support your claim.

Answer 8

"What's with this information gap?"



Confirmation bias, it's a real thing.

Answer 9

If someone really has found god, will that someone kindly ask god to send me a sandwich and a beer, please.