Question:
What kind of God do you worship that would throw Ammachi into a lake of fire?!?
Sorrow_and_Bliss
2006-04-20 22:10:55 UTC
Another person asked how anyone could condemn someone like Saint Amma, who promotes peace and does so many great things. And someone gave this answer:

She is a great person, I'm sure. Here's the problem--anyone who has not accepted Christ as their savior will be cast into a lake of fire, no matter how good they are. Yes, we need good people like her, but we also need to teach them how to be saved.

What kind of God do you worship anyway? What more can you possibly expect before you are willing to call someone "good" instead of insisting that all humans are so evil that they all automatically deserve hellfire for eternity?

If your "God" will throw good people to hell, then how "good" is this God?
Twenty answers:
meaniebahini
2006-04-21 11:21:16 UTC
I wanted to answer this question so badly when you posted it yesterday but I was at the limit for answers. That answer to my question really troubled me. Do Christians really believe that it's better to live like a devil and then accept their God at the end than to live like a saint and not accept their God? I'm not sure if they see that when they express opinions like this they make their God seem really possessive, vengeful, cruel, and not at all understanding. I am not criticizing their God [as all Gods are one, in my opinion] but their description. I think it's terrible that a person would be okay with the idea of throwing a saint into fire for not believeing in one idea of what God is. In any case, it wasn't that she doesn't believe in God [though I personally have nothing against atheists] it's just that she sees God differently. If God is so compassionate and forgiving, God would never put anyone in hell for eternity, especially not someone so good and pure of heart. Amma spreads happiness, joy, and miracles, and does so wholeheartedly, without desire for any gain for herself, including spreading her religion, and I am sure that she will be with God when her time comes.
2006-04-20 22:26:18 UTC
The person who gave you that answer is just repeating the dogma taught by their church. I've gotten to be an old guy now, and I simply cannot believe that God would throw a good person into hell. Those of us who are not Hebrew are not His chosen children, but we're still His children. What father kills his children? And for those people on here who say there is no God, well, perhaps they're right, though I doubt it. Even if they are right, how has belief in God done other than make me a gentler, more kind person? If I'm wrong, I'll simply go to my grave and that will be that. On the other hand, if I'm right and they are wrong...I think I prefer my way.
Brigid O' Somebody
2006-04-20 22:17:47 UTC
As far as I am concerned, the lake of fire is symbolic. I also believe that Heaven and Hell are individualized, and people really do get what they deserve in the end. There are several scriptures that could back me up, but the one I like best is Galations 6:7-9. In the end people will find out that God is just and fair.
2006-04-23 06:10:35 UTC
Yes, this is the biggest contradiction in the Christian faith; they call God, "the God of love" and a "forgiving God", but don't think he loves enough to forgive.



Makes no sense and unfortunately that is way so many Christians are running in circles like sheep that’s gone insane. I also try and show them some logic, try and explain to them what a loving God would really be like, but brainwashing is powerful in religion, I mean think about it. Some people even believe that God created them so that they can strap a bomb to themselves and self destruct. WHY? Why would God create a diverse world with beautiful cultures all around the world, but only allow one culture and one set of people with one state of mind into the "heavens"?



I don't understand religion.
braleygirl
2006-04-20 22:18:54 UTC
According to my beliefs, and I am a Christian, I believe that those who do not receive Jesus into their lives will go to the white throne judgment. Those who have received the mark of the beast will be cast into the lake of fire, those that do not will be judged on their works. I do not believe that everyone that goes through the white throne judgment will be cast into the lake of fire. Those who have been in heaven are supposed to be kings and priests and you have to have someone to rule over. I have heard it said that God is a JUST God and I believe this. I also believe that our human righteousness is as filthy rags and we cannot understand God's righteousness until we have received him. We are born into sin and sin is punishable by death. If you do not have the covering of Jesus' blood, then your sin must be punished. I also believe that God made hell for the devil and his angels. Unfortunately, it is mankind's decision where they end up.
excavator_44
2006-04-20 22:22:57 UTC
Yes. He will cast anyone that has not accepted Christ as they're savior.



don't confuse God Jehovah, with with Marine Corps. HE not looking for a few good men.



actually, just the opposite, He wants the worst of all worst of man to come too Christ.



See? You appear to have my God confused. my God wants worthless people. Christ died for worthless no good evil people. Christ didn't die for Christians. He died for scumbags, God wants scumbags.



I can speak for anybody Else's God. sorry.





Have a nice week.
lottyjoy
2006-04-20 22:14:52 UTC
Instead of saying people are created in God's image, it's better to say God is made in people's image. It seems that when people have a n angry, resentful, jealous feeling toward another human being, they invent a god who feels just like them, then attributes their desires to that god. Clearly, any "superior" being would not have such low feelings and behavior, but would show compassion and love only.
ruletheworld
2006-04-20 22:43:23 UTC
They have all been told lies about God and the bible. Jesus saved everyone's soul already but the church doesn't want you to know that or they couldn't use fear and guilt to keep you there.



There is no hell. Except for those people living with the thought that they are going to hell!



Good deeds don't matter and belief doesn't matter. Jesus died for all sin for everyone.



But they will go on stating their contradcitions, refusing to acknowledge them.
moudiwarp
2006-04-20 22:24:04 UTC
Suppose your child who was on the point of drowning and by jumping into a "lake of fire" you could save the child. A "lake of fire" is an expression given to an ancient culture to denote pain and suffering. Don't take it too literal.
2006-04-20 22:19:19 UTC
God doesn't make you do anything. Let me ask you this. Who would send their only beloved child to go and die for people that hate him and don't want to do anything but kill him. I bet you the answer is no one on this stinking planet would do that. That is who my God is, a loveing God that his son died for our sins so we could go to heaven and live forever. What more do you ask? First we take his son's life and now you ask him to bring you more? We have free will to do anything. The bible states that you have to accept Jesus as your savior and believe he is the son of God in order to go to heaven. It doesn't matter if your a nice or good person cause if you don't believe then and you never surrendured yourself to Jesus and said that he is your savior then you were never able to know Jesus and are not a child of God therefore anyone that isn't a child of God becuase they chose to not believe in God their entire life on this planet they won't go to heaven. God doesn't want anyone to go to hell that is why he sent his son to die and rise again but it is us who choose to go to hell by not choosing God.
MrDean
2006-04-20 22:13:16 UTC
Hes not Good, thats why hes missing an O, and hey, the bible said he was vengeful... but oh well, i dont belive anyways, i always talk about religion but i see it more as a crutch because most people cant handle the facts of life and death.
na
2006-04-22 14:30:08 UTC
I have learned to laugh at such people! when i read the answer you have quoted i literally laughed!! These people can not go beyond a certain level of thinking, so, it's best to consider them as immature or shallow and go on!These people only make me feel happier about my own religion which is not Christianity:)
2006-04-20 23:12:38 UTC
God is good, he does not sent you to hell, you send yourself, now if they never herd then what, i dont know, no one does, though many say they just go to hell too, but i have a hard time with that, because he came to save every one, and told us to tell every one. so what of those who never hear, only God can say what happends to them. and there will be many who seem to be good, that never go to heaven because they reject God. no matter how good they are with out salvation they are nothing, and without salvation i am nothing.
Contemplative Chanteuse IDK TIRH
2006-04-24 12:22:06 UTC
I understand the logic of your argument and I can appreciate how ironic it sounds.



Here's the thing: the wages of sin is death. Any sin. It doesn't have to be what we would consider a big sin or a sin with big consequences. Any sin.



With the exception of Jesus, every person born on this earth has sinned. At least once. That means we all need redeption. And I don't believe "once saved always saved." Failure to walk with God and repent when you sin as a Christian is just as perilous as never believing. (I Timothy 5:8)



It's like asking why a person with cancer has to die just because they refuse treatment. Why can't they just be good enough to live? It's not about being good enough. Salvation is not something that can be earned.



So that raises the grace/works question. This is how I answered that earlier:





"In a healthy relationship there is grace and there are works. When you have a good relationship with someone and accidentally step on his/her foot, grace covers that.



When you make a big mistake in the relationship, you break your trust or say something hurtful, you apologize, they forgive you. Relationship restored. That's grace.



But when you have failed to commit to the relationship, or prove through your actions that you are in it only for what's good for you, that's the sort of breach that grace doesn't cover. If you leave the relationship, grace doesn't cover it. Not because grace isn't big enough, but because in human relationships we understand that it takes a certain amount of investment to keep a relationship going.



Can you earn someone's love? Not really. Some people like you to believe you can. But there are no good works that really earn love. If I sent you a car tomorrow, you might really like the car, but it wouldn't mean that we had a good relationship. Why not? Because you don't even know me. If I send you a car and then ask you if I can come live with you, does the car give us the sort of relationship that would warrant my request? Of course not! :o)



Good relationships are built on time, interest, respect, mutual goals, concern, kindness, thoughtfulness, love, and give and take. You don't earn a good relationship, but you do have to work at them.



Our relationships with God are not different. Except that God has no use for a car. ;o)



We cannot impress Him with a gift that earns His love, or our salvation. Why? Because love is not about earning. Love is about relating.



Just because we love Him, that doesn't mean that He never asks anything of us or that we don't do anything for or with Him.



It's like if your husband said, "I'm sorry honey, I can't take out the trash anymore because I don't want to earn your love. In fact, I'm quitting my job and I'm just going to sit here on the sofa and if you really love me like you say you do, you'll work to provide for us, take care of the house and the kids and bring me dinner."



We all know that's not gonna fly.



In conversion, there should be a "dating period" where you are getting to know God and what He has done for you. When you decide to become a Christian and are baptized, that's your commitment. Then you have your life together. You still have to be in a good relationship with God.



If you do something to hurt Him, you ask for forgiveness, knowing that He promises to forgive. You don't have to be perfect, but you have to desire the relationship and nurture it.



If you don't feel sorry for sin, it's either because someone else is trying to convict you and you don't feel that it's wrong, or you don't understand the pain it causes God when we sin against Him.



You don't have to cry your eyes out or try to prove you are "sorry enough." But if you understand that what you've done was hurtful to God, wouldn't you want to be forgiven? In the same way you would want someone who hurt you to make their relationship right with you?



I can give you scriptures if you are interested. People go round and round on this, but this is how I understand it. Hope it helps you."



Being a good moral person without God is also a little self-righteous. It's saying you don't need God or His forgiveness, you can do it all on your own. Pride is a sin. Christians are not forgiven because they are so great, but because they realize that God is so great. He forgives them because they have the humility to admit their need and ask for His help.



None of us are perfect. It's not that Christians have a free pass to sin. But they do have a means of dealing with sin. Some people may make a mockery out of that freedom by failing to live righteously or thinking that grace means they can do what they want and God will look the other way. I don't believe that at all.



What I do believe is that no one can live perfectly enough to not need salvation. Those who are saved are not saved because they are so great, but because they realize and honor that God is so great and they thankfully take Him up on His precious gift of salvation.



He is good because He has taken it upon Himself to make salvation possible even though we don't deserve it.
2006-04-20 22:14:54 UTC
Once again.....people dispense what they CHOOSE to believe. Like suicide bombers....even they believe they are righteous. The world is full of fanatics. Even the Christians cant friggin agree....thats why they represent the FRACTURED BODY OF CHRIST...there are so many different factions thinking each other is damned....NO FRIGGIN THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!!!
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2006-04-20 22:13:00 UTC
My God doesn't make you go to Hell, He gives you free will and free choice. You alone are responsible for the path you choose.
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2016-10-16 10:46:45 UTC
i assume i might fairly my conciousness be unfettered and swimming in a lake of hearth that to bow right down to a pair psycho killer deity who shows his love for the worldwide by ability of deliver dying and greater dying. i'm going to spend enternity doing the backstroke in a lake of hearth--yet this soul will on no account bow to this form of pyschotic killer.
rian30
2006-04-20 23:55:13 UTC
not much.



these theories are not made by god. its people made threat. they tell it to those who do not believe in jesus. idea is they will get afraid and run to jesus.
ruy2kok2day
2006-04-20 22:13:51 UTC
I am sorry, gut there is no such thing.
rsn_hes_upallnite
2006-04-20 22:13:12 UTC
Penn & Teller

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-9162292468797126455&q=penn+and+teller&pl=true



Funny but true. Please watch.


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