Question:
Who decided what scrolls and writings went into the bible?
dutch94199
2006-07-16 21:13:15 UTC
Who decided what scrolls and writings went into the bible?
25 answers:
hollywood71@verizon.net
2006-07-16 21:18:36 UTC
actually the churches did. they control what went in, how to print it and what they wanted. when the scrolls and the recent discovery of a prophet written was wriiten by one of the twelve. the church will not allow it in.
kg4vbo
2006-07-16 21:27:14 UTC
The first five- The Pentateuch (or the Torah) were dictated to Moses directly from G-d, so no question there. The next section, called the Prophets (or Nevi'im) were written by men who had prophecies as what to write. (Note that this only works if you go with the original Jewish order. The Christian order of the Old Testament is completely different, for reasons I won't get into here unless asked.) The third section, called the Writings (or K'suvim) were divinely inspired and were put in for that reason. The "deadline," if you will, was with the building of the second temple, and the end of The Great Assembally (or Anshei K'nesses Hagedolah) which included the last of the prophets.



The New Testament, to my knowledge, was put together by Emperor Constantine by the Council of Nicea. He himself was a pagan, but he saw that Christianity was gaining, so he made it the state religion to keep peace in the Empire.



I'm sorry if this answer sounds biased. I tried to keep it neutral, but I apalogize if something came out.
Rory McRandall
2006-07-16 21:25:03 UTC
I believe that this was done around the third or fourth century of the common era, and was an exercise connected to Constantine's adoption of Christianity as the "state religion" of the Roman Empire (hence the Holy Roman Catholic and Apostolic Church - catholic meaning universal). Many "gospels" that were in circulation and preached by Christians prior to this exercise were left out.



The Gnostics, or mystic, branch of the faith which was as widespread prior to this exercise, was completely wiped out as part of this process -- violently in many cases. The suppression of texts contrary to the official view was ruthless, by and large. The Gnostics believed that what was important about the Chistian faith was not the history of one man - Jesus Christ - but the overriding message that the holy spirit or Christos existed within all of us and through that spirit we could become more like God. I am paraphrasing all of this wildly, by the way.



Further revisions to the Bible were made at the time of the reformation and the rise of Anglican Protestanism and Lutheranism, resulting in versions of the Bible not exactly the same as the one the Catholics use.
Marcus R.
2006-07-16 21:36:21 UTC
Emporor Constitine, a ruler of Roman conquests was having gads of trouble with a bunch of disjointed groups of people who claimed to be following Jesus, so he hired a bunch of men to set up a standardized religeous guide and a Church. After those men put together what is called the Christian Bible, all other religous writings were gathered and destroyed; all those who did not accept the new writings and church were made into heretics and killed. This is why the Catholic church is based in Rome today. Oddly enough shortly after this church was established the dark ages fell upon civilization and not even time was recorded correctly. The remaining followers of the new chruch retreated into monistaries. The world was ruled by warlords and this church who put 14 books of the anti-christ into the Bible because those books made people easier to manage and they could look forward to a better life after death, rather than one here.
Landon H
2006-07-16 21:20:15 UTC
Human beings did. If everything in the Bible is 100% truth, then why did other books almost make it into the Bible but which had differing accounts? It was decided by man which books would best fit the needs of his religion. Anybody can say "God did. God wrote the Bible." But I say "God wrote this answer through me." Who's right now?
jblake80856
2006-07-16 22:43:41 UTC
The short answer is "Tradition".



The long answer depends upon which Canon for which group, for which period of time you are asking about.



Somebody wanted my second paragraph clarified.



The Samaritans hold the Torah, and Joshua to be Canonical. This decision was arrived at, because it was witnessed as being written by moses, and coming directly from God. [There are textual differences between the Samaritan Torah, and the Hebrew Torah.] This is the shortest canon of the Abrahamic religions.



_The Coptic Canon of Eighty One_ (Narrower Canon) contains the most books. _The Coptic Canon of Eighty One_ (Broader Canon) contains slightly fewer books, but has the same number, because they combine books different ways. These are the two largest canons of the Abrahamic religions.



Marcion, who drew up the first list of canonical Books for the New Testament, included the Epistles of Paul, and the Gospel of Luke. The Tanakh was rejected, as it no longer applied. The other NT books were usually rejected as being heretical writings.



The Syriac Church originally rejected Revelations, 3 John, 2 John, 2 Peter, and Jude on the grounds that they were Greek forgeries.



There are roughly another sixty canons that one could go thru. The reason for inclusion of a book in the canon, depends upon the organization for whom the Canon was being defined. There is no general history for the inclusion, or exclusion of books in any canon.



IOW, most of the above answers refer only to the Fundamental Evangelical Protestant Christian Canon of 66 books, or the Canon of the Holy Roman Catholic and Apostolic Church. [For example, the inclusion of Revelations in the Canon of Lutherans was a compromise that Luther made. His personal position was that it was apocryphal. He did manage to get one book excluded from the Canon.]
MIKEBAYAREA
2006-07-16 21:32:38 UTC
Ditto per a number of the earlier responders, in terms of history.



Aside from the Apocryphal writings (that are included in the Roman and Orthodox Catholic bibles. . .and several Protestant denominations). . .the only two books that were excluded. . .but had their varying degrees of support from a few of the early Church Fathers are: Gospel of Thomas (NT) and Book of Enoch (OT). . .both of which are available today. . .although it's uncertain if these are the exact translations that the Counsel of Nicea had at their disposal. (And if you took the time to read and study them. . .you may also get a sense why they were excluded, especially Enoch!)



Btw. . .aside from various conspiracy theories. . .and the charge that the Emperor Constantine was a clever and opportunistic pagan regarding his agenda for Christianity. . .there are many reasons for modern readers to "concur" with the Nicean decisions. . .regardless of one's denominational bent.



What we have today is truly remarkable. . .and has withstood the test of time!
gplay2001
2006-07-16 21:16:32 UTC
It would be the New Testament only. The Old Testament is best on the Torah. The new testament was decided at the council of Nicaea under Emperor Constantine.
Molly
2006-07-16 21:16:33 UTC
God did. But I believe there was a meeting in Nicea around 325 AD to help determine which books. They asked God to help guide them, that is why you know the end product is from God.
whynotaskdon
2006-07-16 21:29:12 UTC
Rabbi over many many years decided the Pentateuch.



Centuries late Scholars over years argued as to each and every scrolls value in telling the stories and attributes of Jesus.



The Roman Cult have a few additional still in their Bible.



MY FAVOURITE OF WHICH IS ""Bell and The Dragon"" !
Kader
2006-07-16 21:20:05 UTC
It ultimately was voted on by religious scholars at the Nicean Council (or Council of Nicea) in 325 A.D. There, it was debated as to what beliefs were legitimate and agreeable and thus, these are the beliefs that have been taught for centuries.
John
2006-07-16 21:22:31 UTC
God chose to reveal information about himself to specific individuals (who were called prophets). There writings and/or teachings were collected into scrolls which were later collected into the Old Testament.



The New Testament is composed of writings by eyewitnesses, disciples and apostles of Jesus Christ. The writing had to be by a disciple or apostle, or authenticated by a disciple or apostle.



Cordially,

John
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2016-11-02 08:48:35 UTC
no longer all the so-called gospels are stable. The 4 that are interior the Bible have been the only ones extensively used and circulated with the aid of the early Christians interior the 1st and 2nd centuries. with the aid of the time of the 2nd century although the Gnostics have been gaining inroads into the early Church (community of Christians) and started spreading their fake teachings. a number of gnostic gospels which includes Philip, Thomas, and Mary have been written yet none of them have been used with the aid of early Christians. They have been continuously seen heretical long before the council of trent or nicea. in case you have genuinely examine them you may see that they are very distinctive and inconsistent with the unique 4 gospels. as an occasion. The Gospel of Thomas says that Jesus as a youthful boy could carry out miracles like turning clay birds into actual ones. however the Biblical Gospel of John says that the 1st miracle Jesus ever did replace into on the marriage social gathering of Cana whilst he replace into in his 30's. yet another concern with the gnostic gospels is their glaring anti-semetic stance. they have a tendency to ignore previous testomony/Jewish customs and idioms. it is an glaring departure from Christianity because it is unique disciples and Savior have been all Jewish. in case you have been to ascertain Christian writings after the 1st century and before the fourth you does no longer locate references to any of the pretend gospels stated with the aid of Discovery/background/PBS etc. i like the invention Channel and background Channel yet they once you get suitable all the way down to it they are ordinarily leisure and purely partly actual background. they could desire to play up the controversey as a fashion to get rankings.
HeArtBr0Ken...
2006-07-16 21:19:26 UTC
The bible has many different authors but God told all of them what to put in it and how to piece it together.
anonymous
2006-07-16 21:17:14 UTC
God decided.
Applecore782
2006-07-16 21:16:33 UTC
Council of Nicene



Under direction of Constatine
annoying_the_neighbours
2006-07-16 21:18:22 UTC
Seems like it's a simple question, but it's not.

A lot of people over a lot of time... see the Wikipedia entry on

'canon' at

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biblical_canon
wacky_racer
2006-07-16 21:19:12 UTC
Well, I might say, by the grace of God, it was Emperor Constantinople and his congregations.
shine
2006-07-16 21:18:18 UTC
Why do you need to know? I cannot answer that, you better ask God. He knows the answer to your question.
anonymous
2006-07-16 21:14:45 UTC
A committee voted.
johnusmaximus1
2006-07-16 21:14:44 UTC
God did.
Nina W
2006-07-16 21:20:19 UTC
They were voted on be mere mortal men.
steve
2006-07-16 21:34:35 UTC
Check these links:

http://www.godandscience.org/apologetics/bibleorigin.html

http://www.allabouttruth.org/bible-origin.htm

http://www.gnmagazine.org/issues/gn53/biblepreserved_bible.htm

http://www.standontherock.org/holybible.html
jeni
2006-07-18 20:09:17 UTC
BIBLE AND WORLD HISTORY OF 6,072 YEARS



You have alot of info in your answers, take into consideration everything involved.

From Adam to Noah # 10 in the genealogy of Jesus, I WANT TO KNOW WHAT IS IN THIS TIME PERIOD AS THEY LIVED IT, [ below is the info of the heavens and earth ].

Abraham # 20, dies 25 years after Shem, [ the son of Noah dies], 525 years after the flood , it is evident that Abraham is collecting info, Isaac, Jacob and the twelve tribes to Moses 430 years later and Moses compiles all collected and some info comes from the heavens, direct contact so Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, Deuteronomy and Job are done in 40 years and Joshua has begun followed by Judges and Ruth for the Family of King David, as 1 Samuel continues it and 450 years after Exodus of Egypt, David is age 4 to age 24, Samuel dies. 1 Sam.25:1; Nathan, Gad, David and Solomon in 2 Samuel, Psalms, Proverbs, Ecclesiastes [ and Song of Solomon was added by men ].



15 books for Solomon to have in his temple 29 years to his death, and the kings are recorded [ 18 for Judah ], in both KINGS and both CHRONICLES as genealogy are done,

19 books and the prophets records 20 books. KJV 1611, Not arranged in order by WHOEVER, as some chapters are not in order. BUT THANK GOD AND CHRIST FOR IT.

Gen.1:1,2; All existed as created, time evident as billions.

Gen.1:3-31[Earth a focus, 41,870 to Eden + 7,130 years to 49,000];

Water and light there[Day one to Day four, more stars light,

ground and water, perfect for grass, herbs, trees and fruit,

day five water flesh creations, day six domestic animals and in Eden

man from dust as flesh souls, life of soul is Spirit of creator Num.15:22].

ANGELS:

Gen.3:15 [Prophecy, Satan's woman Rev.17:1-6[Satan's supporters, man];

Christ Bride woman Gal.4:26; Rev.21:1-5,9,10[ Christ supports, man];

HIGHLIGHT OF ALL LOST IN EDEN TO ALL SAVED IN CHRIST REIGN:

John 17:3,5,24[Jesus was with God Col.1:13-18[Jesus made first Exo.6:3];

Job 38:4-7[Angels saw earth become focus for habitation, Heb.1:6.9.10];

Gen.3:1:26; God said, Let us make man in our image and likeness for earth.

Luke 20:34-36[ angels do not die, sinned, Jude 6; wait judgement 2Pet.2:4];

EVIL EXISTED: Gen.3:21; 6:5,11[ flood ends world of evil and violence ];

EVIL A RULING FACTOR[Gen.8:21; John 8:44[Satan Eze.28:13-15];

Satan is the god of this world 2Cor.4:3,4; He has a limited time to Jesus.

Man waits for judgement Heb.9:27; 2Cor.5:10; Rom.14:9-12;

Born souls die; Psm.7:2; 49:14,15; 104:29,30; 115:15-17; 146:3,4;

Isa.26:19; Eze.18:4; 37:12-14; Dan.12:2; John 5:26-29; James 2:26;

Age a son had a son [or event], sums the time then, at hand.

Adam to flood.[130-[no Eden]-105-90-70-65-

162-65-187-182-600= ]

1656 flood + 350 Noah Gen.9:28,29; + 2 = 2008 Abraham born.

0000 Gen.12:4[Abraham age 75],10,13;15:13,16[to 4th gen & Moses];

0427 years to Abraham age 75, he gets the covenant in year 2083.

0430 years to Moses age Exo.7:7[80]; 12:40,41[430]; 1553 before Christ in #6.

0040 years to the Promised Land. Deut.1:3; 29:5; 34:7; 1513 before Christ ist in #6.

0480 years to Solomon year 4 king. 1Ki.6:1[480 years]; 1033 before Christ in #6.

0036 years [of 40], Solomon dies. 1Ki.11:42; 997 before Christ in #6.

0391 Judah Kings=Babylon #3. Matt.1:1-17[42 gen Abraham to Jesus];

3460 + 606 before Christ prophecy and to his second coming by Daniel[& John].

0000 4066 at Dan.9:24-29[The math to Christ in Rome # 6]; to age 30, Luke 3:23;

Matt.4:1-11[Jesus faces Satan in Rome #6]; year 33 Christ Jesus ascended, Acts 1:9-11;

John 3:13-17[written about year 38 to 64]; Year 98 John on Patmos in Rome #6.

[Daniel's Prophecy: Dan.4:16.23.25,32[ 7 x 360 math = 2520];

Daniel's Prophecy: Dan.12:1-7[2500]; Dan.12.9-10[2520];

2520 years [Rev.17:1-6,10-14; #1 - #5 fallen, Rome #6 is, #7 = KJV 1611 Bible.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~...

0000 Rev.9:12-15; 16:12-16[ KJV bible 1611 + 391 = Euphrates conflict];

0150 = in 8th Matt.24:3,7,14,15,22.36-38[ Only God knows day and hour ];

6130 EDEN to Rev.20:1-6[1000 year Jesus reign]; 7,130 years after Eden.

1000 Jesus reign. Eph.3:21[ THE WORLD WITHOUT END with Jesus];

7,130 years LORD, it means, 130 Eden and all your rest day from creating???

Gen.2:2,4;Heb.4:1-13[ 7, 130 years after Eden is 7,000 years in day seven];

World with Satan in it ends,begans kingdom of Jesus unto God's kingdom .

Dan.7:25[Time, times and the dividing of time, ALSO: Time, times,

and half time. Dan.12:1-7[2500]; 8-10[2520 = Rev.12:7-12],

Dan.12:11[2x 1290 = 2580],Dan.12:12[2x 1335 = 2670];

41,870 + 3,460 + 2,520 + 150 + 1,000 + 49,000 to all is perfect.



ALL LOST IN DAY SIX IN EDEN IS SAVE BY CHRIST REIGN



Bible time is new moon to new moon, sabbath to sabbath, 360 days

with make-up to 365 in year[math 360, 1Thes.5:1-9,21; know time].

Jesus is SAVIOR OF THE WORLD, Matt.6:9-13[The Lord's prayer];

Pray to his Father, his God, in Jesus name John 14:13-15; 16:23;

Luke 16:16,17,29,32[Law & prophets to John & Jesus reign to God's reign];

Matt.22:37-40[ This is the first and great commandment Rom.13:9,10];

Jesus is Heb.9:14,16; mediator between Almighty LORD God and

POWER who has given him all power in heaven and on earth to

SAVE THE WORLD, all must be known before baptism[ ZION BRIDE ],

Matt.28:18-20[ Psm.83:18]; John 3:16[God the Father has done this];

Heb.1:1-13[Acts 2:31-35; Isa.9:6,7; The LORD God of host has done

this as the Lord was there when the foundation of the earth was laid

Heb.1:10[John 17:1-3,4,5,6-24,25,26[Jesus did all he was to do perfect from

the time he came to be the first creature created by his God and Father];

Jer.31:34; Heb.8:10,11; THEY SHALL ALL KNOW THE LORD God, Isa.12:2;

Heb.2:9,14,16[1Cor.15:22-28,51... Rev.20:1-6[Priest of God and Christ;

Rev.21:1-5,9,10[ Jesus to destroy Satan, death, and make all perfect again

redeemed of Jesus in new heaven thousands over new earth billions, new,

as it was before Eden for his LORD God and Father and Family, all one];



THE WORLD THAT WILL END



Rev.17:1-6,10-14[#1 - #5, #6 to #7 is full in 1914 CE, to 8th];

#01. Egypt #1 and Moses. #02. Assyria #2 and Isaiah. #03. Babylon #3 and Daniel.

#04. Cyrus #4 and Ezra. #05. Greece #5 Matt.1:1-17[14 generations to Christ];

#06. Rome #6 and Christ crucified and ascended, John on Patmos.

#07. Europe #7 and world gets the KJV 1611 bible 303 = 1914 excepted translation.

8th. Europe Americas 8th of the seven 1776 + 230 = 2006 after Christ.

Bible time is new moon to new moon, sabbath to sabbath,

360 days with make-up to 365 in year[math 360].



EGYPT TO GREECE TO JESUS TO JOHN IN ROME #6.



Egypt--#1 Eden to 2083 + 430 = 2513 + 717 = 3230 Isaiah/Hezekiah. 2Ki.

Assyria #2 Eden to 3230 + 170 = 3400[Manasseh and Josiah];2Ki.

Babylon #3 Eden to 3400 + 60 = Daniel 3460 + [606 BCE], 70 = 3530 + 3.

Cyrus-- #4 Eden to 3530 + 200 = 3730. Ezra and Nehemiah

Greece #5 Eden to 3730 + 274 = 4004 Matt.1:1-17;

Babylon 3460 + 544 = 4004 Rome/Judah + 62 Messiah born.

Rome #6. 4004 + 62 years to Messiah + 30 to Luke 3:23;

Matt.4:1-11; of Rev.17:1-6,10-14[#6, this is world with Satan];

Rev,17:1-6,10-14[#1, #2, #3, #4, #5, fallen, Rome #6 is, to #7, 8th.

Europe #7. World get KJV Bible 1611 + 303 = 1914 + 92 = 2006 CE.

Europe Americas the 8th and second coming of Jesus 150 from start

of the 1260, 42 months or 3 1/2 years of WW1.

Dan.7:25[time, times and dividing of time.

Dan 12:1-7[time, times and half time];

KJV Bible 1611 CE.



NATIONS RISE:



When did Vietnam began to be Vietnam?

Zero to greatness: #3 = 606 before Christ.

Rome #6 PLUS THE NEXT AND THE NEXT NATION

Dan.7:25[Time, times and dividing of time];

Dan.8:12-14[2300 = 1150 [ or 606 + 544 = 1150 ];

Dan.12:1-7[Time, times & half time = 2500 = 1250 [or 606 + 644 =];

606 BCE + [ 544 + 606 + 544 = ] 1694 CE bible 1611.

606 BCE + [ 644 + 606 + 644 = ] 1894 CE Michael Dan.12:1-7; + 20 Rev.12:7-12;

606 BCE + [ 654 + 606 + 654 = ] 1914 CE. WW1 to 1918[1260 - Rev.12:7-12];

606 BCE + [ 666 + 606 + 666 = ] 1938 CE. + 7 years 1939, 1940,

1941, 1942, 1943, 1944, 1945-WW2[1272]. German Nation Hitler.

606 BCE + [ 684 + 606 + 684 = ] 1974 CE. Vietnam. Dan.12:11[1290];

606 BCE + [ 729 + 606 + 729 = ] 2064 CE. Rev.20:1-6[1000 year reign;

Dan.12:12[1335]; LAST NATION TO RISE: From 729 after Christ.

Present time after Eden 6,072 AND 2612 after #3 AND 2006 AFTER CHRIST In #6.
Hyzakyt
2006-07-16 21:26:31 UTC
Having discussed the NT canon elsewhere, we turn here to the specific subject of the development of the OT canon - albeit without a great deal of information to go on.



The idea of a "canon" did not originate with the Israelites. They had a model to go on, one which was in circulation in Egyptian and Mesopotamian society. Vasholz [Vash.OTOT, 3-4], using the example of the Poem of Erra and other documents from the 12th to 8th centuries BC, notes these four core (commonsense!) steps:



The deity speaks, and his words are recorded.

The material is faithfully transmitted.

Authenticity is establised by means of blessings for honor, and curses for dishonor, in transcription.

Materials are preserved in a sacred place.

These essential "canon concepts," then, were "there for the taking" at the time when the OT was being put together and involves no radical innovation or supposition of historical invention. The ancient "canonical" concept appears in its earliest form in the OT in Exodus 17:14 and Deuteronomy 31:24-6, where emphasis is made upon preservation of material as a memorial and as a witness. This is the seed from which an OT canon, or set of established books, grew. [Comf.OrB, 53]







Canon Indicators

Ideas about the earliest organization of the canon remain purely hypothetical. Some suggest that Ezra and/or Nehemiah were responsible for the first true organization, with Judas Maccabeaus being the one who put an "official" deposit of the sacred writings in the Temple. [Mill.OrB, 128, 135; Leim.CHS, 27-9]



The earliest "hard" indication we have of any sort of classification or categorization of OT books - aside from internal OT references to the books of Moses, and assuming that the reference is not a late interpolation, as some do - comes from the Wisdom of Sirach, a book dated to approximately 130 BC and written by Sirach's grandson [Mill.OrB, 18; Beck.OTNT, 110-1]. The classifcation scheme refers to the law, the prophets, and the "other" ancestral books. This does not reflect a "fixed" canon of books, merely a basic classification scheme, although it is known that most of what we call the OT today was indeed put into one of these three classes - indicating what Campenhausen calls, at this time, a "normative collection of sacred writings" [VonCamp.FCB, 2] as settled. The suggestion in Sirach is that the "law" and "prophets" were recognized bodies of literature, whereas "other ancestral books" seems to have been more fluid. In particular, the books of Moses are recognized as Scripture as early as the 2nd century BC, being named as such in the Letter of Aristeas. [MacD.FormCB, 29]



At about the same time, though no titles are given, the Book of Jubilees indicates that there are 22 accepted books. [Beck.OTNT, 235-6]



Of the "prophets," MacDonald asserts that there "seems to be little doubt that by ca. 200 BCE most of the Jewish people had recognized in some sense a collection of writings called the 'Prophets,' " that probably consisted of most of our OT prophetic writings, along with Joshua, Judges, Samuel, and the Kings books, although we cannot be certain of the exact content of the collection. (MacDonald diverges from the traditional view and dates some of the OT books, such as Daniel, quite late.) The third class, which Sirach calls "other," is to be equated with what was later called the "Writings" or "Hagiographa," and was not as restricted in content as the first two categories until after the time of the Council of Jamnia in the late first century. [ibid., 34-5]



Our next evidence of a threefold division comes from the work of the Jewish historian Philo. In his Contemplative Life, written early in the first century, Philo writes of "the laws and the sacred oracles of God enunciated by the holy prophets, and hymns, and psalms, and all kinds of other things" - perhaps a rough equivalence of Sirach's law, prophets and "other" categories. Again, however, we have no specific catalog of books to work with, nor even a number of books. [ibid., 38-40]



A more clear delineation of a threefold division comes from the New Testament. In Luke 24:44, Jesus refers to "the law of Moses, the prophets, and the psalms" - again, showing that while the first two sections seem to be stable, the third section has not yet been clearly defined; and as yet, there is no clear evidence of a "closed" canon for all three sections.



The next piece of data comes from Josephus' description of the Jewish holy books in Contra Apion 1.8, dated c. 93-95 AD. After clearly identifying the Pentateuch as the work of Moses [Rost.JOHC, 24; Leim.CHS, 32], Josephus writes:



From the death of Moses until Artaxerxes...the prophets who followed after Moses recorded their deeds in thirteen books. The remaining four comprise hymns to God and rules of ethical conduct for men.

With that in mind, let us count together to reach a plausible assessment of Josephus' 22 books:



Genesis - 1

Exodus - 1

Leviticus - 1

Numbers - 1

Deuteronomy - 1 (the 5 books of Moses)

Joshua - 1

Judges and Ruth, folded together on one scroll as they were in Josephus' time - 1

1 and 2 Samuel - also considered one book in Josephus' time - 1

1 and 2 Kings - Ditto. - 1

1 and 2 Chronicles - Ditto again. - 1

Jeremiah and Lamentations - also considered as one book at the time - 1

Isaiah - 1

Amos, Zephaniah, Zechariah, Malachi, Jonah, Haggai, Habakkuk, Nahum, Micah, Hosea, Joel, Obadiah - all folded together, as noted above - 1

Daniel - 1

Ezekiel - 1

Ezra and Nehemiah, folded together - 1

Esther - 1

Job - 1 (the 13 prophetic books)

Proverbs - 1

Psalms - 1

Song of Songs - 1

And my personal OT fave, Ecclesiastes - 1. (the 4 instructional books)

Leiman argues that Josephus' description here indicates a canon that has been decided upon and closed for quite some time, for he says: "...for although such long ages have now passed, no one has ventured either to add, or to remove, or to alter a syllable." Josephus' Roman readers would have been able to "check out" such an extraordinary claim. [Leim.CHS, 33]



The same number of books is testified to by the Bryennius List and the canon of Epiphanus, both dated to near the time of Josephus; and 4 Ezra (c. 100 AD) lists 24, likely having Ruth and Lamentations separated. [Shank.UDS, 301; Beck.OTNT, 119] (To be fair, we should note that some would argue, as MacDonald does [MacD.FormCB, 56], that to combine Ruth and Judges, and Lamentations with Jeremiah, to reach 22, is without basis, other than these later witnesses such as Eusebius; and that it is rather bold to equate Josephus' 22 books with our present OT canon. However, MacDonald offers no better alternative; if nothing else, we may suggest that perhaps Josephus' 22 books comes from the exclusion of 2 of the OT's most disputed books, Ecclesiastes and Song of Songs; and a bit inconsistently, MacDonald allows that the 24-book collection of 4 Ezra was "likely" to have been the same as our current OT, although he will not state that it was definitely those 24 books!)



Often cited as a concrete step in the OT canonization procedure is the Council of Jamnia. But this seems to have been more a discussion group or college confirming what was already known rather than a canon council. [Beck.OTNT, 276] In terms of the canon, the most that Jamnia did was ratify "what the most spiritually sensitive souls in Judaism had been accustomed to regard as being Scripture." [Metz.Apoc, 8] In the late second century AD, there is distinct evidence that the OT as we know it is fully formed, albeit with some debate being held over "whether Song of Songs and Ecclesiastes are inspired literature" [MacD.FormCB, 78; see also Leim.CHS, 123, 126] and perhaps some idea of including Sirach (ibid., 81) or excluding Ecclesiastes, Song of Songs, Ruth, Esther, Proverbs or Ezekiel (ibid., 82). However, "on the basis of the available evidence...the process of closing the Hebrew biblical canon began during the course of the second century CE and the beginning of the third." (ibid., 93) There did continue to be some variations in lists of sacred books into the fifth century (ibid., 122), but the core of the OT canon had been well established before that.



And what about the Apocrypha of the OT? This section, which appeared in the Septuagint (LXX), is explained by MacDonald [ibid., 94]:



The best explanation for the larger collection of sacred writings in the LXX and later in the Christian canons is that the process of limiting the number of sacred scriptures in Palestine among the Jews began after the time when Judaism had a significant effect upon the Christian community...When the Jews of a Pharisaic bent met as a college at Jamnia ca. 90 CE and, among other things, discussed sacred literature, the Christians had already decided to use the wider collection of sacred Jewish writings they had inherited from pre-70 Judaism. George Anderson is no doubt correct, therefore, when he concludes that the third part of the Jewish canon, the Writings, was still imprecise before Jamnia and that it was left up to the churches to carry out the further definition of their Christian canon, and more specifically of the third part of the OT scriptures...

And Metzger [Metz.Apoc, 9] adds:



How far some of (these books) were accorded a degree of authority in certain Jewish circles cannot now be accurately determined. Undoubtedly there was an interval during which their religious value was being appraised, along with that of some of the later books now included in the third division of the Hebrew canon.

This confusion resulted in a fluctuating OT canon on the part of the NT church. There was a lack of precise settlement in the Jewish community over the third division of their canon - although we note that the other two divisions, the Law and the Prophets, were sufficiently settled.







Canon Issues

Why establish a canon at all? Rost [Rost.JOHC, 24] notes that "the Jewish community did not feel the need for a clear definition as to which traditional writings of the fathers were sacred until the first century C.E." This again, perhaps, explains why the Apocrypha was originally included in the LXX: no clear delineation had been made yet as to any sort of specific canon beyond an idea of books as sacred, and of being certain types (law, prophecy). Not until Josephus and his contemporaries does the idea of a canon seem to germinate, although the books of Moses have the weight of a closed "mini-canon," and the prophetic books seem to have such weight also. And now, let us consider the criteria that were used to determine the canon.



The Cessation of Prophecy



We see already in Josephus that a chronological constraint has been placed upon books considered sacred. Josephus limits his books to those written between the time of Moses and Artaxerxes - which is to say, the time of Ezra, Nehemiah, Malachi, Zecharaiah, and Haggai. After that, Josephus observed that "(Jewish) history hath been written since Artaxerxes very particularly but hath not been esteemed of the like authority with the former by our forefathers, because there hath not been an exact succession of prophets since that time." (We will lay aside, for our purposes, the issues of whether these books were written in the times that they are supposed to have been, of which we would hold, that they were; the point for now is that the Jews believed that that was when they were written.)



A similar sentiment is expressed in Tosfeta Sota 13.2, as Rost describes (ibid., 25): "...the Holy Spirit departed after the death of Haggai, Zecharaiah, and Malachi. Thus Judaism defined the limits of the canon that was and still is accepted within the Jewish community." Once that limit was defined, there was little controversy. Some discussion was held over Ecclesiastes and Song of Songs, but the core and bulk of the OT was never disputed.



MacDonald [MacD.FormCB, 124] observes, however, that some rabbis disagreed with the assertion made by Josephus and others that prophecy ceased at the time of Artaxerxes, some holding that it extended as far as the time of the Maccabees, or never ended at all.



Quality



As I have noted elsewhere, as a literature specialist, I find a distinct difference in quality between the canonical and apocryphal books. I therefore must strongly disagree with MacDonald, who asserts that "(i)n many cases, there appears to be no qualitative difference between some of the books that made it into the Jewish canon and those that did not." (ibid., 125) He cites only two examples in pursuit of this point, however: "...based on content, a strong case could be made for the inclusion of Sirach and Wisdom and the exclusion of Ecclesiastes." (ibid.) Truthfully enough, Sirach and Wisdom are the closest in quality to what ended up being canonical; but I would still not judge them to be in the same class as Ecclesiastes.



Authorship



Harris suggests that authorship was a primary criteria for inclusion, in line with the author's deemed "special relationship" with God. Thus, the Pentateuch was an automatic inclusion from its inception, "because of Moses' special relation to God as the prophet of Israel par excellence [Harr.IC, 157]." Books authored by genuine prophets - in accordance with the principles in Deuteronomy laid down for determining a false prophet from a true one - were therefore prime candidates for inclusion. Harris notes that this criteria would account for the acceptance of all of the OT books except Judges, Ruth, Chronicles, Ezra, Nehemiah, and Job. (David and Solomon's books, and Joshua, would have been included because of their own special relationship to God.[ibid., 174] I would add that Job may have been included by attributing it to Moses; Ruth and Judges were probably by the same author as the Samuel books, and Esther is included because it offers the origin of the Jewish holiday of Purim.)



Now, let us consider briefly some Apocryphal books. Rost is our primary source for information, along with Metzger's book on the Apocrypha.



Additions to Esther - These additions are of nine parts: 1) a dream of Mordecai; 2) the conspiracy against Artaxerxes; 3) the edict ordering extermination of the Jews; 4) the prayer of Mordecai; 5) the prayer of Esther; 6) Esther before Artaxerxes; 7) the edict in favor of the Jews; 8) interpretation of Mordecai's dream; and 9) naming of the translator. They are simply embellishments, and may be dated to the first century BC. Some parts of this work conflict with the canonical book of Esther. It was probably originally written in Greek [Comf.OrB, 87], which takes it further from the events it purportedly describes.



Additions to Daniel - There are three of these. Susanna tells how Daniel saves a woman from execution by trapping those who falsely accuse her. Her accusers are punished by "having them thrown from a precipice and struck by a divine thunderbolt." The Prayer of Azariah and the Song of the Three Young Men is an embellishment upon the "fiery furnace" story in Daniel. Bel and the Dragon is a double narrative, both stories focussing on Daniel's cleverness. The first story has Daniel outwitting the priests of Bel, who are ordered slain by the king of Babylon, and their temple destroyed. The second story has Daniel defeating a monster serpent by throwing cakes of pitch, fat and hair into its mouth. Daniel is then thrown into a lion's den, where he lives seven days, being miraculously fed by Habakkuk.



1 Baruch - This book is allegedly by Jeremiah's faithful scribe, but clearly contradicts the Book of Jeremiah itself, inasmuch as it has Baruch present in Babylon during the Exile. Indications are that Baruch was not put together in final form until about 70 AD, although parts of it may be dated earlier. It is notable for "lacking in originality" and was popular in the NT church.



Letter of Jeremiah - This book is a sermon against idolatry. A late date (c. 300 BC) and rather clumsy construction makes it impossible to have been penned by Jeremiah.



Tobit - This book contains medical oddities such as the title character going blind when sparrow droppings fall in his eyes, and using the internal organs of fish for medicine. It shows no familiarity with the geography and political situation of eastern Mesopotamia, where the story is alleged to have taken place, and "teems with chronological, historical, and geographical improbabilities and downright errors." It is dated c. 190-170 BC.



Judith - A Jewish heroine, Judith, deceives Nebuchadnezzar's general, Holofernes, and assassinates him, saving Jerusalem from certain doom. The book contains a gross historical error, identifying Nebbie as king of Assyria rather than Babylon - an error so obvious, may we suggest, that it is intended as a hint to the reader that the contents are not to be taken seriously! It also does not reflect what we know of the general Holofernes. Minor internal evidence dates it after 300 B.C.



1 Esdras - This book is a mix of verses from 2 Chronicles, Ezra, and Nehemiah, along with a wisdom story concerning three guards who are challenged to decide what is the most powerful thing on earth. All three answer, "wine, the king, and women," but one guard wins by adding to this a fourth, "truth." Metzger says of this book: "the list of repetitions, errors, and inconsistencies of the book is a long one." It was assembled c. 150 B.C and favored by Josephus, who apprently appreciated its superior Greek style.



2 Esdras - This book contains seven visions written of by Ezra while in Babylon. It dates to the end of the first century AD, and thus obviously cannot have been written by Ezra.



Ecclesiasticus - This is a book of wisdom, and is considered the most highly esteemed of the apocryphal literature. It contains nothing in the way of absurdities, but was clearly written around 190-180 BC.



Wisdom of Solomon - This book in three parts 1) shows that wisdom shall be granted to the righteous man; 2) contains Solomon's admonition to the kings to seek wisdom, and how his own wisdom has been beneficial to him; 3) recounts the actions God has taken in history to deliver His people and punish their foes. Since the work uses Daniel, Enoch, and Tobit, and contains some influences from Greek philosophy, it obviously cannot be from the hand of Solomon, unless the wise king was prescient as well as wise! This, of course, immediately disqualifies the book for canonicity. It is normally dated between 100 BC and 40 AD. It and Ecclasiasticus, however, are quite useful for establishing background data for the NT, especially Wisdom theology.



Prayer of Manesseh - This is based on the text of 2 Chronicles 23:11-14, and contrary to the book of Kings, has the wicked King Manasseh undergoing a conversion in Babylon. It was written in the 3rd century BC. [Beck.OTNT, 340]



I, II, III, and IV Maccabees - #1 of this set is a history from Alexander (c. 330 BC) to the death of Simon Maccabee (135 BC). It is useful as history, but is obviously written too late for canonical inclusion, as were the other three. #2 of the set "takes considerable liberties with the actual course of history." There is therefore no grounds for including it in the canon. #3 of the set recounts events from c. 217 BC concerning Ptolemy IV Philopater. This rotten fellow gets in a bad mood when, in response to his desire to enter the inner Temple, a prayer to God sends him into convulsions and paralysis. After recovering in Egypt, he brings the Jews from throughout Egypt into a stadium where he plans to have them trampled by 500 elephants made mad with incense and wine. Ptolemy is thwarted from his purpose thrice: once when he oversleeps, a second when God blanks his memory, and the third when the elephants are turned on his own forces by the appearance of a pair of angels! After that, Ptolemy wisely changes his mind about persecuting the Jews and instead honors them with a banquet - also giving them permission to slay apostate Jews! #4 of the set is a philosophical treatise that examines the conduct of Jacob, Joseph, and David, and of Simon the high priest from the Maccabeean era.



Obviously, there is no good reason for any of these to have been included in the OT, as they are each subject to one of the following constraints: 1) they were written too late - and thus beyond the cessation of prophecy as determined by some (not all) Jews; 2) they were not written by the person to whom they are attributed; 3) they contain errors and absurdities; 4) they are of obviously lower literary quality than the canonical books. It might be added that, unlike the NT situation, things here are pretty clear: Many like Philo do not cite the Apocryphal books as authoritative, and "there is no evidence whatever that any of the Apocrypha ever had a place in any of the three divisions." [Beck.OTNT, 385]



A final issue to address is that many Church Fathers regarded these books as Scripture, and certain important councils made them part of the OT canon. This is not a persuasive argument for a couple of reasons. The first is that the church fathers were not Jews and (unless they were considered infallaible) did not have any authority to decide what, in what we now call the OT, was canonical. The second is that the word "Scripture" does not mean "canonical" automatically. "Scripture" applies to any written document; so likewise, even a non-canonical document could be regarded as inspired. In that regard it is important to note, as we do in our article on the NT canon, that "non-canonical" does not mean "untrue" and we are not by any means prevented from judging a book on its own merits. The canon is more of a convenience than it is a contrivance.



For the same reason, it is also beside the point to note that the NT alludes to or uses material from these books. In the end the two extremes of those who want to put them in the canon (which in context becomes merely a sort of window dressing) and those who want to ignore them altogether (to the service of fundamentalism or anti-Catholicism) do none of us a service.







Books with Their Pictures on Milk Cartons

To close, we turn now to the issue of alleged "lost" books - works cited in the Bible that we no longer have available, but which some claim, since they are cited in the OT, must have been considered sacred Scripture. In contrast, Metzger says of these books [Metz.Apoc, 8]: "Probably not only were they not regarded as canonical, but were so little esteemed as not to be recopied in subsequent generations." Leiman adds: "Only when the quotation is cited as a guide for religious practice and/or doctrine may the book it is drawn from be considered canonical." [Leim.CHS, 16] Let's look at these titles and see how these observations bear out:



The Book of the Covenant -- Exodus 24:7. Actually, this is one we do have -- most authorities regard this as either a copy of Deuteronomy or of the Decalogue.



The Book of the Wars of Jehovah -- Numbers 21:14. A full cite should be given from verses 13-15: "They set out from there and camped alongside the Arnon, which is in the desert extending into Amorite territory. The Arnon is the border of Moab, between Moab and the Amorites. That is why the Book of the Wars of the LORD says: '. . . Waheb in Suphah and the ravines, the Arnon and the slopes of the ravines that lead to the site of Ar and lie along the border of Moab.'" This looks to have been no more than a military history book.



The Book of Jashar -- Joshua 10:13 "So the sun stood still, and the moon stopped, till the nation avenged itself on its enemies, as it is written in the Book of Jashar. The sun stopped in the middle of the sky and delayed going down about a full day." Here, presumably, the phrase "it is written" is taken to mean that this book is being quoted as Scripture. Indeed, this phrase does mean a Scripture quote - in the New Testament! However, this phrase "it is written" appears only 8 times in the OT - four times referring to a known verse/section of the OT, and three times (including this one) to a book that is not. A second, 2 Samuel 1:18, also refers to the book of Jashar. The third is Psalms 40:7. The five Scripture cites occur at Josh. 8:34, 2 Kin. 23:21, Nehemiah 8:15 and 10:34, and Daniel 9:13. This is hardly enough to conclude that anytime that someone says, "It is written..." in the OT, the reference thereafter is considered Scripture.



The Annals of King David -- 1 Chronicles 27:24 "Joab son of Zeruiah began to count the men but did not finish. Wrath came on Israel on account of this numbering, and the number was not entered in the book of the annals of King David." Is this citing something as Scripture? This refers to nothing more than the sort of royal annals used by kings of all nations in that time - pure history and records, nothing more.



More about David written by Nathan the prophet -- 1 Chron. 29:29 Let's include verse 30: "As for the events of King David's reign, from beginning to end, they are written in the records of Samuel the seer, the records of Nathan the prophet and the records of Gad the seer, together with the details of his reign and power, and the circumstances that surrounded him and Israel and the kingdoms of all the other lands." Again, a clear reference to historical annals - and no indication that this material is considered to be Scripture.



A biography of Solomon in history of Nathan -- 2 Chronicles 9:29



Visions of Iddo the seer -- ditto. "As for the other events of Solomon's reign, from beginning to end, are they not written in the records of Nathan the prophet, in the prophecy of Ahijah the Shilonite and in the visions of Iddo the seer concerning Jeroboam son of Nebat?" Same thing; how is this being cited as Scripture? If anything, it is saying, "If you want events that are not considered within the purpose of what we have written, check here."



The Acts of Solomon -- 1 Kings 11:41 "As for the other events of Solomon's reign--all he did and the wisdom he displayed--are they not written in the book of the annals of Solomon?" Another example of mere historical annals. (Another example of thise that I've seen cited is 2 Chron. 20:34.)



Histories written by Shemaiah the prophet -- 2 Chron. 12:15



.. and Iddo the seer -- ditto. "As for the events of Rehoboam's reign, from beginning to end, are they not written in the records of Shemaiah the prophet and of Iddo the seer that deal with genealogies?" Same thing.



Iddo's History of Judah -- 2 Chron. 13:22 "The other events of Abijah's reign, what he did and what he said, are written in the annotations of the prophet Iddo." This is getting repetitive. Now of course, we did note that prophetic authorship was a possible criteria for inclusion; but this presumes that the prophet in question is writing something prophetic in nature, not just mundane things like simple histories, as the above probably was. Certainly Habakkuk's grocery list is not a candidate for the canon! (Other examples of this sort of thing: 2 Chron. 26:22 and 2 Chron. 33:19 [where the word "seers" is disputed; some manuscripts read a personal name, Hozai].)



So in no sense can it be shown that ANY of these lost works were considered, or should have been considered, Scripture. Leiman is correct: "In most instances the books are source references, with no indication that they are authoritative for religious practice or doctrine." [ibid., 18-19]







Sources

Beck.OTNT - Beckwith, Roger. The Old Testament Canon of the New Testament Church. Grand Rapids: Eerdmans, 1985.

Comf.OrB - Comfort, Philip Wesley, ed. The Origin of the Bible. Wheaton: Tyndale House, 1992.

Harr.IC - Harris, R. Laird. Inspiration and Canonicity of the Bible. Grand Rapids: Zondervan, 1957.

Leim.CHS - Leiman, Sid Z. The Canonization of Hebrew Scripture: The Talmudic and Midrashic Evidence. New Haven: Transactions, 1976.

MacD.FormCB - MacDonald, Lee M. The Formation of the Christian Biblical Canon. Peabody: Hendrickson, 1995.

Metz.Apoc - Metzger, Bruce M. An Introduction to the Apocrypha. Oxford U. Press, 1957.

Mill.OrB - Miller, John W. The Origins of the Bible. New York: Paulist Press, 1994.

Rost.JOHC - Rost, Leonhard. Judaism Outside the Hebrew Canon. Nashville: Abingdon, 1971.

Sand.CanC - Sanders, James A. Canon and Community. Philadelphia: Fortress, 1984.

Shank.UDS - Shanks, Hershel, ed. Understanding the Dead Sea Scrolls. New York: Random House, 1992.

Vash.OTOT - Vasholz, Robert I. The Old Testament Canon in the Old Testament Church. Lewiston: Edwin Mellon Press, 1990.

VonCamp.FCB - Von Campenhausen, Hans. The Formation of the Christian Bible. Philadelphia: Fortress, 1968.


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