Question:
What do you think of the film zeitgeist?
anyonecanbesaved
2008-06-04 09:08:47 UTC
I think it's just all theories backed up with no facts. Scholars even rejected the myth that Jesus wasn't real. If you want to see zeitgeist refuted watch the video below it tells how zeitgeist is so wrong and disprooves the myths about Christianity stealing from ancient mysteries. The good thing about the movie below is that it is actually validated by scholars unlike zeitgeist.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7572663630528394775
Fifteen answers:
gray shadow
2008-06-04 10:28:20 UTC
I consider the film Zeitgeist to be an intellectually dishonest film.



The "Mythology of Jesus" theory was an obscure and generally dismissed theory. It has gained exposure due to author "Acharya S" and her collaboration with the Zeitgeist filmmaker. (She is also author of the films companion guide)



Some other views:



" The idea of Jesus as a myth is rejected by the majority of biblical scholars and historians. In 2004, Richard Burridge and Graham Gould stated that they did not know of any "respectable" scholars that held the view today. Robert E. Van Voorst has stated that biblical scholars and historians regard the thesis as "effectively refuted"."



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesus_myth_hypothesis



"There is no shortage of information which refutes this viewpoint. But this type of conspiracy relies on two elements common to web surfers: First, they're only willing to check facts at the most superficial level, which usually means they'll read a message or watch a clip just once before forming an opinion and moving on. " Ref:

http://media.wildcat.arizona.edu/media/storage/paper997/news/2008/01/28/Opinions/Internet.Idiocy.The.Latest.Pandemic-3171363.shtml





"...(a) common problem in the film: presenting something in such a shallow manner without further corroboration or scholarly evidence." - Ref:

http://gauntlet.ucalgary.ca/story/12284





For a collection of rebuttals, check out:



http://webskeptic.wikidot.com/zeitgeist-story-of-jesus





Other links:



http://www.boingboing.net/2007/08/06/jay-kinney-reviews-z.html



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesus_Christ_in_comparative_mythology
Brunton
2008-06-04 15:44:01 UTC
Jesus did exist - Fact. The power contained in his words could not be invented by an ordinary man - Fact. He lived a holy life everyday of his life - Fact.

The Federal Reserve is a privately owned bank - Fact.

9/11 was an inside job - Fact.

To use the words of a famous Meat Loaf song: "Two out of three ain't bad."

The Zeitgeist people got the first part wrong, but part 2 and 3 were spot on.
?
2016-10-11 02:03:50 UTC
Yeah i'm an atheist and that i in my view do no longer merely like the Zeitgeist videos. attempt finding out The Penn and Teller series on showtime referred to as "Bull Sh*t" you will discover extremely some it on youtube.
nacsez
2008-06-04 09:16:21 UTC
Zeitgeist is getting better and better all the time. They keep updating it with new information and better sources. you can find a list of every source they use in the movie on their website and the vast majority of it is scholastic sources. im sure your movie is also well sourced, but either way, you get out of it what you come in looking for. as far as the religious parts go, id say its a toss up.



but as for the parts about 9/11 and the Federal Reserve... that sh*t is DEAD ON. it goes out of its way to make some obtuse predictions, but the facts they present are nearly irrefutable... email me if youd like to talk more about it
Serendipity
2008-06-06 10:50:01 UTC
I simply ignore the first part. I'm not interested in that part. I have come to my own concusions about religion based on my studies from the past. I don't put much stock in the theory of Christianity being a copycat religion of pagans. They should've just left that part out. Although I do agree that a lot of terrible crimes against humanity have happened in the name of religion. Pretty much ALL of the Religions.



The part on the Federal Reserve, I believe to be pretty right on. The Federal Reserve IS a PRIVATELY OWNED organization. And that's not a 'Conspiracy Theory', but FACT.



I source a 1982 United States Court of Appeals ruling.



Lewis v. United States, 680 F.2d 1239 (1982)



The Plaintiff, who was injured by a vehicle owned and operated by a federal reserve bank, attempted to sue the Federal Government. The US District Court for the Central District of California, dismissed holding that federal reserve bank was NOT a federal agency.



"the court ruled that the Federal Reserve Banks are "independent, privately owned and locally controlled corporations", and there is not sufficient "federal government control over 'detailed physical performance' and 'day to day operation'" of the Federal Reserve Bank for it to be considered a federal agency: "



"Federal reserve banks are not federal instrumentalities for purposes of a Federal Tort Claims Act, but are independent, privately owned and locally controlled corporations in light of fact that direct supervision and control of each bank is exercised by board of directors, federal reserve banks, though heavily regulated, are locally controlled by their member banks, banks are listed neither as "wholly owned" government corporations nor as "mixed ownership" corporations; federal reserve banks receive no appropriated funds from Congress and the banks are empowered to sue and be sued in their own names. . . . "



http://www.save-a-patriot.org/files/view/frcourt.html



Watch 'Freedom to Fascism' for more information on the Federal Reserve.



http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=-1656880303867390173



Watch '9/11 Mysteries' .. I think it's a better 9/11 doc.



http://video.google.ca/videosearch?q=911+mysteries&sitesearch=#



Here's some scientific-based research sites on 9/11.



http://www.physics911.net/



http://www.ae911truth.org/



Here's one of the most objective 9/11 websites I've found so far. They dismiss the weak 'no plane' theories and support the stronger 9/11 truth arguments.



http://www.911research.wtc7.net/
anonymous
2008-06-04 09:13:32 UTC
Scholars didn't reject the myth that Jesus wasn't real, religious scholars reject it. Its a big difference.



That being said, Zeiteist falls apart in many places, simply because it is design with the theory that there is a master plan in effect and relies on the great 'THEY' that most conspiracy theories call on.



Regarding the existence of Jesus, I suggest researching for yourself and trying to discover the non biblical references to his life and existence. You are in for a huge surprise.
quixoticalthoughts
2008-06-04 09:14:03 UTC
I actually enjoyed the movie while I thought it was true. Unfortunately there have been many articles that completely debunk the film. The creator does address many of these issues on his website, but it has turned into a bunch of he says she says... so... good film for thought stimulation, but might lack a little on "Facts" about things that we have no "true" record of, unless you believe that the Bible is all true.
Link strikes back
2008-06-04 09:12:58 UTC
Zeitgeist uses fictitious records to show just how easily people are misdirected and fooled.



Anyone that thinks Zeitgeist is factual learnt nothing from the first half.



If someone tells you people are manipulating you that doesn't stop them manipulating you themselves.



The 1st half is about breaking one dogma the second half is about seeing if you still fall for it.
anonymous
2008-06-04 09:16:48 UTC
There is mounds of independent evidence that proves Paulianity 'borrowed" EVERYTHING from previous "sun" gods and ancient legends.



The Zeitgeist movie is accurate and that is why the fundies are always trying to discredit it.



You really should give it up because those people capable of independent thought know Paul invented a Christ using the legend of Mithra.
Theodore Olbus
2008-06-04 09:11:23 UTC
Great movie, but it could have went into more depth on the whole jesus is a myth/Pagan rip-off.
Rev. Still Monkeys
2008-06-04 09:12:49 UTC
Juggle the letters rapc around a bit into a word that is not a type of fish, and you get what I think of it.
SPAH
2008-06-04 09:13:44 UTC
I think it's cool. Really makes you think and all that stuff.
the Christian
2008-06-04 09:30:37 UTC
utter nonsense!





Peace and blessings
anonymous
2008-06-04 09:13:59 UTC
Yes, too much propaganda and much too little factual data....
anonymous
2008-06-04 09:11:26 UTC
complete waste of time....


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