So according to the answers to my post, the LDS Church, the JWs and the Mormons are not 'Christian'?

Question

So according to the answers to my post, the LDS Church, the JWs and the Mormons are not 'Christian'?

Answer 1

well, they are not considered Christians by the Nicene Creed Christians.

Answer 2

They are Christians...... just don't tell those other Christians that they are. You know how that goes: "We are right, anybody who thinks differently is wrong". Have a nice day.

Answer 3

Notice Makeme's answer is that "Christian" was defined by MEN, not GOD.



Yeah, okay, cause I'm so concerned with what a bunch of crusty old men cram into a definition.....



God says I follow Christ, and that's good enough for me.



I like your question. :)



EDIT:

As to what LDS and JWs are, we aren't Protestants, per se. We fall under a category called Restorationists. It's like, there were Catholics, and some people didn't like that, so they Protested the church and became Protestants, and then some people in those groups claimed to have more authority from God and Restored the church, becoming Restorationists. It's all Christianity.

Answer 4

LDS and Mormons are the same thing, dear.



Edit: NP. LDS stands for Latter Day Saints, that's what they call themselves. I'm not sure where Mormon comes from, but that seems to be what the rest of the world calls them.

Answer 5

I will say that they are. Many won't even say Catholics are Christian. I have attended Fundamentalist Churches that said only the people in that room were Christian. Odd how a religion given two great commandments..Love God, Love your fellow man, can fragment into so many doctrines.

Answer 6

does the LDS church believe in the Nicene Creed? no - thank goodness - so if you define a Christian by someone who believes in the Nicene Creed then no they are not Christians - if you define a Christian as someone who believes in Christ then yes they are very much so Christians

Answer 7

First, the LDS are Mormons. They and the JW are considered by mainline Christians to be sects or cults. For reference, consider that Christianity was in the beginning considered a Jewish cult.



In defense of saying they "are different" from mainline Christianity it should be acknowledged that the LDS and JWs make a point to show how they are different and seek to convert mainline Christians through missions and house visits. They do not believe someone like myself, a Presbyterian, has fully embraced the truth.



These religions started as a modern rebuff to "regular" Christianity.

Answer 8

kl, a good litmus test? That would imply that the writes of the Nicene Creed were 100% correct in their establishing of what is and isn't a Christian. It is well known that when all these scholars gathered in Nicea that they fought and disagreed mightily. So why would anyone hold this creed as anything more than opinions? If you read the scriptures, try and lead a Christ-like life, have faith and repent, then I think you will be fine. Stop looking to other men to tell you who is and isn't Christian, just decided to be one yourself. What is the need for the Nicene Creed anyhow, isn't that why we have the Bible?

Answer 9

Mormons (LDS) and JWs are christians, period

Answer 10

My understanding is that other Christians would say they are NOT, but they say they ARE.



Good luck figuring out the truth.



*afterthought* And I think the Seventh Day Adventists might have the same controversy.

Answer 11

Adherents of the Christian Congregation of Jehovah's Witnesses are Christians.



A few self-described "Christians" have claimed that the title applies uniquely to those who believe precisely as they do. They apparently take for themselves a role which properly belongs to Christ himself.

.. ..(Matthew 7:21-23) Not everyone saying to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter into the kingdom of the heavens, but the one doing the will of my Father who is in the heavens will. Many will say to me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, ...and perform many powerful works in your name?’ And yet then I will confess to them: I never knew you! Get away from me, you workers of lawlessness.





Ironically, the bible most closely associates being "Christian" with preaching about Christ and Christ's teachings. Review all three times the bible uses the term "Christian" and note that the context connects the term with:

"declaring the good news"

'teaching quite a crowd'

'open eyes, turn from dark to light'

"uttering sayings of truth"

"persuade"

"keep on glorifying"

.. ..(Acts 11:20-26) [The early disciples of Jesus] began talking to the Greek-speaking people, declaring the good news of the Lord Jesus... and taught quite a crowd, and it was first in Antioch that the disciples were by divine providence called Christians.

.. ..(Acts 26:17-28) [Jesus said to Paul] I am sending you, to open their eyes, to turn them from darkness to light and from the authority of Satan to God... Paul said: “I am not going mad, Your Excellency Festus, but I am uttering sayings of truth and of soundness of mind. ...Do you, King Agrippa, believe the Prophets? I know you believe.” But Agrippa said to Paul: “In a short time you would persuade me to become a Christian.”

.. ..(1 Peter 4:14-16) If you are being reproached for the name of Christ, you are happy... But if he suffers as a Christian, let him not feel shame, but let him keep on glorifying God in this name



So why do anti-Witnesses try to hijack the term "Christian" and hide its Scriptural implications? Because anti-Witnesses recognize that it is the preaching work that makes it clear that the relatively small religion of Jehovah's Witnesses are by far the most prominent followers of Christ:

.. ..(Matthew 28:19,20) Go therefore and make disciples of people of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the holy spirit, teaching them to observe all the things I have commanded









Technically, some Mormons (such as fundamentalists) are not members of the LDS Church.

Answer 12

That is totally wrong. 1. Everybody who followed Christ was born those who didn't will never get a body 2. All people are God's children and equal in his sight. 3. In the Bible Cain's family was cursed after killing Able. This does not mean that all black people are cursed by any means. Just as the Jews aren't the only children of God. In the times of the bible things were very literal. Mormon's are taught that if we treat others poorly or differently (especially because of their religion or skin color etc.) we are not fit for heaven.

Answer 13

I too find theology very, very interesting... and I'm life long LDS. At first I couldn't understand why Christians don't consider Mormons Christian. We believe in Jesus Christ, the Bible, Baptism, etc. But in my studies I realized why they don't, and you pretty much hit the hammer on the head with your assessment. Most Christian Church's (and I say Christian Church's because most Christians who know Mormons consider us fellow Christians) don't believe Mormons are Christian because we believe in modern day Prophets, Apostles, visions and revelations, Priesthood, Baptism. In fact... if Jesus and his church were to be transported to today, his church and himself would be considered Non-Christian for those very reasons that I stated above... Think about it.... a church organized very similarly to Christ's church in the Bible... with Prophets, priesthood Authority, additional revelation resulting in additional books to the Old Testament.... That organization would be condemned by modern day Christianity, the Evangelicals anyway.



But Mormons are not the only one's rejected.... Evangelicals also condemn JW's, Church of Christ, Seventh Day Adventists, Catholics, Christian's who also happen to be Free Mason's. The only people they recognize as true Christians are themselves....



So although I do understand why they reject everyone but themselves, I think the rest of the world would find it very hard to see the LDS church as anything other than a Christian religion.

Answer 14

The definition of Christian as defined by those groups adhering to the Nicene Creed is THEIR definition.



If I say that a genius is someone who has blond hair, blue eyes,and is over 6"3", then I, by definition, am a genius, right?



This is exactly what they've done. They've tried to create a "we're christians, they're not" type of club by manipulating the definition.



They can say whatever they want, however, that doesn't make it accurate.



This is an official proclamation (aka doctrine) released by our leaders:

http://www.lds.org/ldsorg/v/index.jsp?vgnextoid=e1fa5f74db46c010VgnVCM1000004d82620aRCRD&locale=0&sourceId=735b862384d20110VgnVCM100000176f620a____&hideNav=true



After reading it, try to explain how it is that we're NOT Christian? It's an uphill battle.

Answer 15

I am a Mormon. And yes we are Christians. We believe in Christ and his Atonement. And that all mankind maybe saved by obedience to the laws and ordinances of the Gospel. And by the way, We are Not a Cult! We believe that there was an apostasy after Christ left the Earth. And that his church has been restored. We believe in the same organization that existed in the primitive church, namely, apostles, prophets, pastors, teachers, evangelists, and so forth. So we believe that there is a true and living Prophet on the earth today. And that there are living apostles. We believe that God has revealed, that he reveals now and he will continue to reveal many great and important things pertaining to the Kingdom of God. And we believe the Bible to be the word of God as far as it is translated correctly. Because the Bible was translated many times and "plain and precious truths were lost from it." We also believe that the Book of Mormon is the word of God. It is another testament of Jesus Christ, from the ancient inhabitants of the Americas. For more information about what we believe, please visit www.mormon.org. Remeber if you want to get the truth about what a religion is all about go straight to the source, don't just take somebodies word as the truth. If you have any questions please email me @ [e-mail]

Answer 16

Why is this so hard? To find out how to define Christian, go to the the dictionary, just like you would to define Buddhist or Muslim.



The Nicene Creed is not in the Bible and is not part of the definition of a Christian.

Answer 17

There is a lot of talk about creeds. I am not sure if they mean the 325 creed or the 381 version. I am curious if sola scriptura Protestants are Christians since they reject anything not in the Bible.



I would also like to know how can Jesus sit on the right hand of a non-physical being that is himself.

Answer 18

Just to be clear "Mormon" comes from the book they follow called "The Book of Mormon", it is presented as "another" gospel of Jesus Christ.



Let me give you a couple "New" Testament quotes that show who the Almighty considers Christian, and you make up your own mind. (P.S. Let me know when you are ready to convert)



1John 5:2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments. 3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.



1John 2:3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.

4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.



Revelation 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.....14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus....22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.



Now, based on that, who would you consider Christian?

Answer 19

I don't even care anymore if people think I am a Christian or not. I know and most important of all, God knows what is in my heart.



Besides who wants to be labeled similar to those hypocritical, so-called Christians who bash others faiths/beliefs?? Not I. I'd rather be called LDS or Mormon, a brainwashed cult member, or known to hang out with Atheists, because at least they are not hypocrites.



I may not be "Christian" according to their standards, but Christ is in my heart always.

Answer 20

The truth of the matter is, that saying that ALL mormons and ALL JWs and ALL of anyone in any particular group is or is not a Christian is pure ignorance. Christianity is a personal decision, not a group decision. You cannot join a group and automatically be declared a Christian. To be a Christian, you have to sincerely repent of your sins, ask the Lord to be your personal Lord and Savior and then accept His free gift of Salvation. I am sure that there are Mormons and JWs and other people in groups not usually considered to be Christian that have made Christ their personal Lord and Savior and are therefore saved (Christian). So to answer your question... Mormons and JWs are simply people who have chosen to align themselves with a particular group... now whether or not they are Christians... that is an individual assessment...



By the way, LDS Church means Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints... which is the same as Mormons. However, there is an RLDS, which means Reformed Latter Day Saints... and they claim to be mormons as well, although the LDS do not accept them as such.



Also, in order for a Mormon to be a Christian... there is a pretty good chance that they are only "Mormon" because they're family is, not because they actually believe Mormon doctorines. Same with JWs.

Answer 21

Jehovah's Witnesses are Christians. We follow in Christ's footsteps not mans.

Answer 22

Christians spend all of their time 'reading' each other out of Christianity. Th only thing that Christians hate more than non-Christians is other Christians. Ignore their obvious intolerance and stupidity. If it s got Jesus Christ, its Christian.

Answer 23

I'm not sure most Christians agree with your definition of "Christian", i.e., one who accepts the Nicene Creed.



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Answer 24

Which religion would Jesus be if he came down to earth today? Would he be interested in the bickering about if there is or isn't a hell, or if he were God himself? I think that he would mostly look at if we were taking care of those who need help, if we had goodness in our hearts. I am positive that come Judgement Day, we are all in for a BIG surprise.

Answer 25

If you are humble, please... Pray to God to know the truth of true God with great faith and do what is right for you and sometimes, things can be right in your point of view but wrong in Public point of view so

Basically, just pray about it for the Good Answer to feel the more love of God, and try to do the God's will first always

And

I have true testimony of true God

Please, just try to understand the fundamental...



If you think, why so much trouble and pain in this world…? Then there is only one reason, without pain, No pleasure and without pleasure, no pain. So without them, we cannot enjoy this life so always we need them in our development towards the perfection of God. So-so, you use pain and pleasure instead of pain and pleasure use you. And

It is Wonderful… wonderful nature for us by the true… God. And

we all make mistakes so it is hard to look for star in daylight. So just in faith… it is possible. Like that the faith in true God. And If you think, even expert can be wrong then you have to make the fine research in all most everything so It is hard and some time, it is impossible to achieve so Why we need inappropriate action to find the owner of higher power? SO,

So, just try to understand, because of Lack of faith in true God, we do not have the great gift of understanding of things so just

understand this please.

We cannot get anything from nothing so changing something into this perfect state, we need something or someone so all things are spiritually first, to govern everything by God. So, closely, Have a look at this world of wonders of yours and then you know the truth, when you listen to your real voice and then Having a strong desire to do the best every day then stick with the best to do your best. And most importantly, try to be grateful for what you have now and try to know where you come from to have the great gift of understanding and then, have the faith to become the best winner in your life. And this is the best meaning of happy life.

And

The Low of mercy cannot rob the Low of justice so God provided the way to our salvation to overcome our sin so Jesus Christ sacrifice is much needed to return to live with God, because God is perfect in perfection so Jesus Christ is our savior to pay our punishment of our sin so-so Because of the perfect love of god for you. So God gave Jesus Christ for us ~ FOR US ~

Well,



It is the time to make the great decision.

Good luck.

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Answer 26

Yo Moses, you guys have predicted the second coming at least twice and neither time has it happened. Guess what? Deuteronomy 18:21,22 "...And if you say, 'How shall we know the word which the Lord has not spoken?' when a prophet speaks in the name of the Lord if the thing does NOT HAPPEN or COME TO PASS that is the thing which the LORD HAS NOT SPOKEN; the prophet has spoken it presumptuously; you shall not be afraid of him..."



Wow, people don't like being rebuked by the Word of God!

Answer 27

oh, so there were absolutely NO christians before 325 a.d.? (that's when the MAN-MADE nicene creed came around......do your homework.)

Answer 28

Mormons and LDS are the same thing (different name, same group). Mormons and JWs are not Christians because they do not adhere to the Nicene Creed --- you are correct.



They sometimes call themselves Christian groups --- especially Mormons, JWs aren't as big on this --- but they are not considered Christian by Christians who accept traditional/orthodox Chrisitanity --- you are right.



Again, the Nicene Creed is a good litmus test. If a group claims to be Christian but believes otherwise (and both JWs and Mormons/LDS believe very much differently than the Nicene Creed) then they are not a Christian group.



As always, Aspertame Dog Sneeze's answer nails it.



To summarize: If I'm a Christian, and you (JW or Mormon) are trying to convert me to a *different religion* --- then how are you a Christian, exactly?

Answer 29

They are non-Christian sects that pretend to be Christian.



Jesus said that many false prophets would come in His name. So the real answer is that they are followers of false prophets who started these sects in the late19th century. They obviously believe the ridiculous notion that there were no true Christians prior to the 19th century until their sects were formed.

Answer 30

LDS and Mormon are the same group....



The LDS and JW churches are technically protestant religions... Protestantism is a branch of christianity therefore they are christian....

Answer 31

They use the Bible and claim to follow Christ. From the outside, that makes them all Christian. The rest is in-fighting amongst Christian sects.

Answer 32

Teh quail of doom believes the catholic pope called all non-catholic religions false religion.



so you all may be in the same boat.



The pope's hate is pious and mighty. do mormons have such powerful holy hats?

Answer 33

Well The Mormon (LDS) are the ones that actually have it right. The rest are just posers.

Answer 34

They are Christian....because they follow Christ. simple as that. stop trying to make it so complicated.

Answer 35

christian means Christ like



following a religion and not Jesus means your not like Christ



Jesus would not follow a man ....he followed truth and his word.

Answer 36

Correct, that does not mean they are bad or evil just not Christians.



The word Orthodox may help you here, for Orthodoxy defines the Christian faith that came from the Apostles and Jesus Himself.



The definition given to us from the first century Christians of Christian belief is



A. That they believe in ONE God. (Mormons have more than one).



B. That this God is in three persons, THe Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit (both of these Groups do not recognize this).



C. That Jesus was God Incarnate, who came to earth, as true God AND true man to restore our relationship with God, and give us His Spirit.



D. That the Trinity ever was, and ever is and ever will be, existing through all time. Jesus , for instance was the "Word" who spoke(or some say sang) creation into being, The Holy Spirit Hovered over the waters in Gen 1.



E. That the evil one came to kill, destroy and deceive the people of God, and that groups that do not hold to the tenets of the Christian Church have been deceived by him. They are not to be condemned but recued from deception.

Answer 37

They are being deceived by false profits .

Answer 38

That would be correct, they are not Christians according to Scriptures. As to what they are... they are not Christians.





Elder Greg

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