Question:
Catholics - when was Mary 'crowned Queen of Heaven'? Perhaps you could give me the verse in the Bible??
anonymous
1970-01-01 00:00:00 UTC
Catholics - when was Mary 'crowned Queen of Heaven'? Perhaps you could give me the verse in the Bible??
22 answers:
imacatholic2
2008-07-09 23:04:05 UTC
Mary is the mother of Jesus Christ, who is God the Son, and therefore can be addressed as the Mother of God.



This is similar to a commoner who marries a king and becomes the mother of the next king. She is entitled to the title Queen and Mother of the King even though she is not royalty or divine.



This is even modeled in the Scriptures. King Solomon's mother Bathsheba had a throne to the right of Solomon. See 1 Kings 2:19.



Nobody two hundred, five hundred or a thousand years ago would have been confused about these terms.



But this is hard for people to understand in these times where royalty and kings and queens are few and far between.



With love in Christ.
anonymous
2008-07-09 17:06:28 UTC
Jesus made that remark in John 3, before he was crucified, and before Heaven was opened, due to his perfect and atoning sacrifice.



You'll find Mary's Assumption into Heaven here:



Rev 11:19 And the temple of God was opened in heaven: and the ark of his testament was seen in his temple. And there were lightnings and voices and an earthquake and great hail.



Followed by her coronation as Queen, here:



Rev 12:1 And a great sign appeared in heaven: A woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and on her head a crown of twelve stars.



The Church knows this first hand, from St. John, to whom Jesus entrusted his mom ... the same St. John who wrote the Book of Revelation. He ought to know.



And it sure beats trying to figure out what the Bible means, a thousand or so years after the fact!



All of this was truthfully and accurately predicted by the Angel Gabriel, at the Annunciation:



Luk 1:26 And in the sixth month, the angel Gabriel was sent from God into a city of Galilee, called Nazareth,

Luk 1:27 To a virgin espoused to a man whose name was Joseph, of the house of David: and the virgin's name was Mary.

Luk 1:28 And the angel being come in, said unto her: Hail, full of grace, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women.

Luk 1:29 Who having heard, was troubled at his saying and thought with herself what manner of salutation this should be.

Luk 1:30 And the angel said to her: Fear not, Mary, for thou hast found grace with God.

Luk 1:31 Behold thou shalt conceive in thy womb and shalt bring forth a son: and thou shalt call his name Jesus.

Luk 1:32 He shall be great and shall be called the Son of the Most High. And the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of David his father: and he shall reign in the house of Jacob for ever.

Luk 1:33 And of his kingdom there shall be no end.



Jesus is King of Kings and Lord of Lords. Mary is his mom. According to God's system of things, the MOTHER of the King is the Queen.



You need to study your scripture a bit more closely!



For more details on why Catholics venerate the Blessed Virgin Mary, and why everyone should, go here:



http://douglawrence.wordpress.com/a-short-course-why-catholics-venerate-the-blessed-virgin-mary/
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2008-07-09 16:14:14 UTC
Simple answer Jesus is the King of Kings yes?? Well who's the mother of a king? a Queen, Jon M said it best as he always does, besides there is No Rapture written in the Bible either as Jon M said!.
god_of_the_accursed
2008-07-09 15:53:08 UTC
A great and wondrous sign appeared in heaven: a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet and a crown of twelve stars on her head. 2She was pregnant and cried out in pain as she was about to give birth.



revelations 12. catholics interpret this as Mary being crowned the queen of heaven, though different denominations have different interpretations.
Acorn
2008-07-09 15:49:14 UTC
This concept is Roman Catholic tradition. The Church holds holy tradition as equal in revelatory power as Holy Scripture.



In other words, it doesn't have to be in the Bible to be true.



The Church is not alone in this practice. Fopr example, many protestant churches teach a non-biblical word called "rapture," and for some reason apply it to Jesus's 2nd coming.
anonymous
2008-07-09 15:55:40 UTC
The title has several biblical sources. Mary is mother of the messianic king. Luke 1:32 says of Jesus, "He will be great, and will be called the Son of the Most High; and the Lord God will give to him the throne of his father David. He will rule over the house of Jacob forever and his reign will be without end." It is therefore held in Christianity, that the throne of King David has passed to Jesus. The biblical precedent of ancient Israel is that the mother of the king becomes the Queen Mother. Since Jesus is heavenly king, of the lineage of David and Solomon, Mary is seen as Queen Mother.



Mary is also seen crowned as queen in heaven in the Revelation 12, verses 1-5: "1 A great and wondrous sign appeared in heaven: a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet and a crown of twelve stars on her head. 2 She was pregnant and cried out in pain as she was about to give birth. 3 Then another sign appeared in heaven: an enormous red dragon with seven heads and ten horns and seven crowns on his heads."



Additionally, one can interpret Psalm 45, "A Song Celebrating the King's Marriage," refers to the Messiah, to suggest in verse nine, that Jesus, the Messiah, would have a queen at his right hand. Although Mary was Jesus' mother, she is often portrayed as that queen.



It is also believed by those assigning a special significance to Mary, and believing in her Annunciation, that in Luke 1:26-35 of the New Testament the Archangel Gabriel seems to praise Mary, although she would otherwise be inferior to him.



I'm sure these won't convince or be sufficient enough for you, though.



Two things: We pray to Mary because we are asking her to pray for us, just as so many ask others to pray for them. Catholics believe that when our bodies die, life has merely changed, not ended. Therefore, Mary, and all the saints--those who we believe are in heaven--can speak to God for us much like our friends can, which is all prayer is, speaking to God.



Catholicism has not strayed from the bible or the truth. ALL Protestant religions started with the Catholic Church and strayed from it, beginning in the 16th century. It was the Catholic Church that first organized the book the bible. If you get angry because you don't understand what you are seeing on a Catholic channel, that's your problem and the influence of Satan, NOT Catholicism.
pipahh
2008-07-09 15:49:50 UTC
Revelations 12:1

"And a great portent appeared in heaven, a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet, and on her head a crown of twelve stars;"



That woman is the Mother of God, Mary. The same woman that God mentions in Genesis 3:15 (I will put enmity between you and the woman, ..."). Jesus actually refers to his mother only as 'woman' throughout the gospels, as John 2:4 (And Jesus said to her, "O woman, what have you to do with me? My hour has not yet come."). He does this to make the connection between Mary, and God's promise to Satan that a woman would crush him.
C
2008-07-10 07:22:37 UTC
So,



Just because you don't agree with Ppiah's (and the Catholic Church's) view along with the Churches 2000 year history Apolostic succession, and the thousands of theologians, he is wrong? Nice try.



By what Divine inspiration did you get the authority to be the one that decides which is right and which is not?



I will take the Catholic Church and its history along with it's authority over anyone else.



Peace be with you.
James O
2008-07-09 17:39:07 UTC
If Jesus is actually King of All then Mary is gebirah or queen mother.
nobody
2008-07-09 15:59:00 UTC
she is definatley there.i have seen her in person , and no i am not some nut case just answering for fun on here . this is the truth.
Vivian D
2008-07-09 16:15:13 UTC
Mary was NOT crowned queen of anything! I was brought up a roman catholic, brainwashed like the rest of them. We had to say the rosary, which included the hail mary. Jesus says in the bible to pray like this...Our Father..who art in heaven...NO MENTION of praying to mary or anybody else...we are told in the bible NOT to worship idols, well imo statues are idols, including those of mary and saints.I am now a Christian, which simply means a CHRIST man, I believe that Jesus Christ was born in the flesh, and died on the cross to save all us sinners. HE is our saviour.I also don't believe in celebrating PAGAN holidays, such as Easter(misinterpretation for the goddess Ishtar). I do celebrate Christmas, even though I know that Jesus Christ was not BORN on that day but CONCEIVED on that day, so it's still a celebratory day. Cattle don't graze in Dec., not even in Jerusalem. :)
?
2016-10-30 01:49:52 UTC
It is sensible in case you think of roughly it. The Christ infant could desire to no longer come to earth in a sinful vessel -- completely irrelevant. Catholic Christians have faith she substitute into born without unique sin (the stainless theory) and Orthodox Christians have faith she substitute into purified whilst she agreed to be the mummy of God. Following that line of thinking, how could desire to the physique that had held the Christ infant be allowed to rot interior the floor like an undemanding individual's?
Mama Kate
2008-07-10 07:25:01 UTC
1 And a great sign appeared in heaven: A woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and on her head a crown of twelve stars: 2 And being with child, she cried travailing in birth, and was in pain to be delivered. 3 And there was seen another sign in heaven: and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads, and ten horns: and on his head seven diadems: 4 And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman who was ready to be delivered; that, when she should be delivered, he might devour her son. 5 And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with an iron rod: and her son was taken up to God, and to his throne.



1 "A woman"... The church of God. It may also, by allusion, be applied to our blessed Lady. The church is clothed with the sun, that is, with Christ: she hath the moon, that is, the changeable things of the world, under her feet: and the twelve stars with which she is crowned, are the twelve apostles: she is in labour and pain, whilst she brings forth her children, and Christ in them, in the midst of afflictions and persecutions.



Is this question your way of admonishing us Idolaters or is it just a way of making yourself feel better because yoru Preacher told you we are idolaters and you were thinking of converting to Catholicism.

EDIT-- At least we have a church interpretation of the Bible as opposed to a Preachers interpretation of the Bible. I mean if not for the Catholic church you would have no bible to quote from, and it doesn't have to be in the Bible to be true, I mean think about it.
anonymous
2008-07-09 16:04:40 UTC
Catholics will NOT give you an honest answer to this question !



Mary (the mother of Jesus) is in her grave waiting for her resurrection.



"pipahh" the woman in Rev 12:1 is the CHURCH, not the mother of God



"Jon M" the RC Church (the Vatican) is the epitome of the Antichrist !

"From the 1500s dowh to the early 1900s the majority of Baptists, Methodists, Congregationalists, Lutherans, Anglicans, and Presbyterians believed, based on a careful study of Scripture, that the Bible's predictions about the "Antichrist" (1 John 2 & 4); "the little horn" (Daniel 7); "that man of sin" & "son of perdition" (2 Thes. 2); "the Mother of Harlots" (Revelation 13); and "the first beast" (Rev 13); all apply to most specifically to the Roman Catholic Church."



The "rapture" is the invertion of the Vatican's 'Jesuits' - Francisco Ribera in particular. And was further popularised by Darby and then Scofield.
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2017-02-17 12:12:58 UTC
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allen m
2014-05-11 15:34:22 UTC
Salve, Regina, mater misericordiae;

vita, dulcedo et spes nostra, salve.

Ad te clamamus exsules filii Hevae.

Ad te suspiramus gementes et flentes

in hac lacrimarum valle.

Eia ergo, advocata nostra,

illos tuos misericordes oculos ad nos converte.

Et Iesum, benedictum fructum ventris tui,

nobis post hoc exsilium ostende.

O clemens, o pia, o dulcis Virgo Maria.



V. Ora pro nobis, sancta Dei Genitrix.

R. Ut digni efficamur promissionibus Christi.



Oremus. Omnipotens sempiterne Deus, qui gloriosae Virginis Matris Mariae corpus et animam, ut dignum Filii tui habitaculum effici mereretur, Spiritu Sancto cooperante, praeparasti, da, ut cuius commemoratione laetamur; eius pia intercessione, ab instantibus malis et a morte perpetua liberemur. Per eundem Christum Dominum nostrum. Amen.
?
2008-07-10 09:05:14 UTC
You my friend ARE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT . THERE IS NO SUCH A PHRASE IN THE TRUE BIBLE



I say the true Greek Septuagint Bible ( which is recognized as the First Christian Bible by scholars and scribes

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Do not add to the Bible

Deuteronomy 12:32 “Whatever I command you, be careful to observe it; you shall not add to it nor take away from it.”





Every word of God is tested; He is a shield to those who take refuge in Him. Do not add to His words Lest He reprove you, and you be proved a liar. (Pr 30:5,6)





Proverbs 30:5-6 “Every word of God is pure; he is a shield to those who put their trust in Him. Do not add to His words, lest He rebuke you, and you be found a liar

http://www.orthodoxinfo.com/inquirers/ntcanon.aspx



In the Mistranslated RC BIBLE ( they may have added phrases Like BLESSED THOUGH ART AMONG ALL WOMEN . ( not there)



The Greeks as All Believe Mary



is The Theo ( God ) Tokos ( Bearer )





JOHN 1.1. ( GOD IS GOD/ ELOHIM

As Logos / Abbas/ Father/ Manifested in Flesh/ Son/ Jesus

Wholly Devine Wholly human/ ( while on earth) Holy Ghost {Pneuma/ Ruach ,, Breath of God,



John 1.1.

International Standard Version (©2008) JOHN 1.1.

In the beginning, the Word existed. The Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Biblos.com



Absolutely Right

Constantinope/ Athathasian / Nicene Creeds/

and Jesus sits on the right hand of God / and will come again to Judge the Living and the Dead ( THUS NO HUMAN IS IN HEAVEN EXCEPT GOD HOW CAN JESUS JUDGE WHOESE IN HEAVEN? ( MARY AS ALL IS NOT IN HEAVEN

As John 3.13 States/



Jesus never called Mary MOTHER.. in any oldren scriptures until they were changed/ REVISED by mistranlatation



Jesus called Mary Woman.. Woman behold your son. etc

all through the Bible.



NO WOMAN CAN GIVE BIRTH TO GOD/ WE ARE HUMAN AND DIE AS MARY DID .



ICXC NIKA ( JESUS CHRIST / CONQUERS LIFE AND DEATH ( AS HE IS LOGOS MANIFESTATION IN FLESH_



Who is my mother and my father?

WHO??? NOT MARY BUT

International Standard Version (©2008)

because whoever does the will of my Father in heaven is my brother and sister and mother."

New American Standard Bible (©1995)

"For whoever does the will of My Father who is in heaven, he is My brother and sister and mother."



GOD'S WORD® Translation (©1995)

Whoever does what my Father in heaven wants is my brother and sister and mother

http://bible.cc/matthew/12-50.htm



PROVING AGAIN .. ( MARY WAS LIKE ALL)



and Katholkos in ( is the original Word for Universal Christians in the BIble ( FOR ALL WHO FOLLOWED CHRIST Not the RC.. The WORD IS GREEK / NOT LATIN



THEY SHOULD REFER TO THEMSELVES ARE "THE ROMAN CATHOLICS/ NOT CATHOLICS



HOWEVER LATIN IS DERIVED FROM GREEK



From a Greek Orthodox Katholikos. Christian



COPY OF THE GREEK SEPTUAGINT BIBLOS ( IN GREEK

http://spindleworks.com/septuagint/septuagint.htm



IVE WRITTEN MUCH TOO MUCH AND MISSED YOUR WOMAN OF REVELATON QUESTION ( IS MARY IN REVALATION NO.. JOHN WROTE THE BOOK OF REVALATION ON PATMOS/ AND AGAIN THERE IS NO EVIDENCE THAT HE HAD MARY IN MIND AS WOMAN OF REVALATION



NO EVIDENCE IN THE BIBLE/ ANYWAY YOU TWIST IT IS NOT MARY IS.
anonymous
2008-07-09 19:55:40 UTC
Oh my gosh, Pihpah! The verse in Genesis doesn't even say that the woman will crush the serpent's head, but the seed to come... Gen 3:15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.



HIS HEEL- that is JESUS. NOT MARY!!



And the woman crowned in Revelations is NOT Mary- but ISRAEL. Ask a Jew... they know theology better than we do. This is ISRAEL- she is the woman. 12 tribes...get it?



You ARE SO WRONG. http://biblelight.net/douay.htm



It is interesting to note that the Douay Rheims Bible was not translated from the Greek or Hebrew texts, but rather from the Latin Vulgate, itself a translation by St. Jerome (342-420 A.D.), although it does say it was "compared with the Hebrew, Greek, and other editions in divers languages". This is one reason for the comments in the foot note for Gen 3:15. Apparently there is confusion as to whether the Vulgate uses Ipsa (woman) or Ipsum (seed). Yet, the publishers of the copy I have say "the Douay-Rheims is the most reliable English-language Bible there is", in their preface dated August 24, 1989. (The complete Douay Rheims was first published in 1609, with the first revision in 1763.)
anonymous
2008-07-09 15:55:19 UTC
I've heard this many times on the "Catholic Channel" that we have. I myself am not Catholic but many things they preach confuse me and I watch the channel to try to understand, it only produces more confusion and anger most of the time. When it comes down to it I just remember that God is not the author of confusion and all the things that are confusing aren't from him but are misguided tradtions. They also call Mary the "Mother of God" which is clearly a false statement. God doesn't have a mother, Mary was only the physical Mother of Jesus Christ, not God the Son.... just the human part of him. She isn't the queen of Heaven. This is just something misinterpreted. It's not in the Bible, so don't bother looking. The Roman Catholic, and other Catholic variations have strayed greatly from their original doctrine and made it something that the original church fathers would probably consider to be heresy. Of course many Catholics don't know the actual history of their church and just blindly follow the religion it has become today. This is why the reformation happened, to get back to the true roots. Catholics would rather fallow the traditions they're accustomed to then do as the Bible actually says.



Not knocking Catholic, just speaking what I know to be true. But they probably still all give me thumbs down.



Do me a favor before you thumbs down it.... Read the history of your own religion, read the original doctrine. You'll realize how much it's strayed from the truth. Then if you still feel like I'm wrong go ahead and thumbs down... but I'm sure you won't feel that way because I've actually studied it. It's ignorance that follows blindly, you need to know what you're talking about before you start spewing it.
anonymous
2008-07-09 15:58:27 UTC
of course were not to pray to er. i mean are to respect her but does it ever say that mary die for my sins,that she she will giv me enternal life,that she will give me the holy spirit, no! so why waste my breath on talking to her when she cant do nothing for me shes dead anyway!
?
2008-07-10 07:11:47 UTC
In case you did not know the Holy Bible is a Catholic document as the Catholic Church is the one that compiled the bible.And the church is the only one that can interpret scripture not individuals. The Catholic Church is also the church that Jesus Christ established in 33AD and gave to Peter to lead and name.



Mary’s title as "Queen of Heaven and Earth" is a great scandal to many non-Catholic Christians. After all, the Bible doesn’t mention anything about there being a queen in God’s kingdom. All this royal attention Catholics give to Mary—whether it’s singing "Hail, holy queen enthroned above" or portraying Mary in statues and paintings with a crown on her head—seems to many non-Catholics to detract from the royalty of Christ, who alone is King of Kings. Besides, how could Mary be a queen, since she is not the wife of the Jesus but only his mother?



One biblical theme sheds light on these questions and serves as a key for unlocking the mystery of Mary’s queenship: the Old Testament tradition of the "queen mother" in the Davidic kingdom.



In the monarchy of King David, as well as in other ancient kingdoms of the Near East, the mother of the ruling king held an important office in the royal court and played a key part in the process of dynastic succession. In fact, the king’s mother ruled as queen, not his wife.



The great pre-eminence of the king’s mother may seem odd from our modern Western perspective, in which we think of a queen as being the wife of a king. However, recall that most ancient Near-Eastern kings practiced polygamy. King Solomon had seven hundred wives (1 Kgs. 11:3)—imagine the chaos in the royal court if all seven hundred were awarded the queenship! But since each king had only one mother, one can see the practical wisdom in bestowing the queenship upon her.



A number of Old Testament passages reflect the important role of the queen mother in the Davidic kingdom. For example, almost every time the narrative of 1 and 2 Kings introduces a new monarch in Judah, it mentions the king’s mother as well, showing the mother’s intimate involvement in her royal son’s reign. Similarly, the queen mother is listed among the members of the royal court whom king Jehoiachin surrendered to the king of Babylon in 2 Kings 24:12.



Her royal office is also described by the prophet Jeremiah, who tells how the queen mother possessed a throne and a crown, symbolic of her position of authority in the kingdom: "Say to the king and the queen mother: ‘Take a lowly seat, for your beautiful crown has come down from your head. . . . Lift up your eyes and see those who come from the north. Where is the flock that was given you, your beautiful flock?’" (Jer. 13:18, 20). It is significant that God directed this oracle about the upcoming fall of Judah to both the king and his mother. Addressing both king and queen mother, Jeremiah portrays her as sharing in her son’s rule over the kingdom.





The glorious mystery of Mary is not easy to discern. But when you read the Scripture the way the early Christians did -- understanding the references to the fulfillment of the old law in the new -- it is clear the sacred authors are instructing us in Mary's role as Mother of God and Queen of Heaven, the ark of the new covenant, Jesus Christ.





Jesus has a queen who stands at his right hand. Witness Psalm 45: 6-18, a prophecy about the Messiah:



"Your arrows are sharp; peoples are subject to you; the king's enemies lose heart. Your throne, O God, stands forever and ever; a tempered rod is your royal scepter. You love justice and hate wickedness; therefore God, your God, has anointed you with the oil of gladness above your fellow kings. With myrrh and aloes and cassia your robes are fragrant; from ivory palaces string music brings you joy. The daughters of kings come to meet you; the queen takes her place at your right hand in gold of Ophir. Hear, O daughter, and see; turn your ear, forget your people and your father's house. So shall the king desire your beauty; for he is your lord, and you must worship him... I will make your name memorable through all generations; therefore shall nations praise you forever and ever."



The queen who stands at Jesus' right hand, whose name the Lord promises will be made "memorable through all generations," must be Mary, the mother of Jesus. For, as we see in Luke 1: 48, Mary herself proclaims the prophecy of the psalm fulfilled when, under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit, she echoes it by saying: "...behold, from now on will all ages call me blessed." By including this passage in her Magnificat, the inspired Gospel writer is clearly signaling the faithful that she will be the queen who is at the right hand of the Messiah.



Now if we follow this New Testament prophecy to call her blessed, how can it be said we are detracting from the glory of the Lord? And if we disregard this New Testament prophecy, how can we say we are doing his will?





In Revelation 12, we see a tableaux with a female figure bearing a child. We know the child is the Messiah by the reference, "destined to rule all the nations with an iron rod" -- which recalls the Messianic prophecy in Psalm 2:7 -



"The Lord said to me, 'You are my son; this day I have begotten you. Ask of me and I will give you the nations for an inheritance and the ends of the earth for your possession. You shall rule them with an iron rod; you shall shatter them like an earthen dish.'"



Now, if the child in Revelation 12 is Jesus, the woman from whom he issues can only be Mary. Here's why:



We see a vision of her in the heavens, clothed in the sun, wearing a crown, a symbol of royalty: "A great sign appeared in the sky, a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet, and on her head a crown of twelve stars. She was with child and wailed aloud in pain as she labored to give birth. Then another sign appeared in the sky; it was a huge red dragon, with seven heads and ten horns, and on its heads were seven diadems. Its tail swept away a third of the stars in the sky and hurled them down to the earth. Then the dragon stood before the woman about to give birth, to devour her child when she gave birth. She gave birth to a son, a male child, destined to rule all the nations with an iron rod. Her child was caught up to God and his throne. The woman herself fled into the desert where she had a place prepared by God, that there she might be taken care of for twelve hundred and sixty days...



"When the dragon saw that it had been thrown down to the earth, it pursued the woman who had given birth to the male child. But the woman was given the two wings of the great eagle, so that she could fly to her place in the desert, where, far from the serpent, she was taken care of for a year, two years, and a half-year. The serpent, however, spewed a torrent of water out of his mouth after the woman to sweep her away with the current. But the earth helped the woman and opened its mouth and swallowed the flood that the dragon spewed out of its mouth. Then the dragon became angry with the woman and went off to wage war against the rest of her offspring, those who keep God's commands and bear witness to Jesus."



Some claim that the woman here represents the Church. This is not so. Remember that the Church is the Body of Christ, Jesus Christ in the world. Jesus is the Head of the Church, and through Baptism, we are baptised into Christ and die and rise with Him, and become members of His body. The imagery from the scripture is clear - the male child is the Messiah, the Savior, Jesus. It is only logical to keep the family of symbols the same and acknowledge that the woman is the Mother or our Lord, the virgin Mary. Notice how the scripture refers to the 'rest of her offspring' as those who bear witness to Jesus and keep the commandments of God. Recall the instructions of Jesus to 'keep the commandments' as being the way to follow Him? The 'offspring' can only be the Church. This follows the teaching of St. Paul who called us 'brothers of the Lord'. We are His brother and we are also members of His Body. The scripture says that Jesus is the new Adam, the first born of the new creation. The scripture also says that we are also the offspring of the woman, Mary, who is the new Eve, the mother of all the new creation. This is why Catholics refer to Mary as 'the Mother of the Church' and 'Our Mother' because she was the mother of Jesus, who is the Church, the Body of Christ, and since we are brothers of Jesus and offspring of the woman, the title 'Mother' is rightly applied to Mary in regards to us as well, since we are members of the Body of Christ. This is why the woman in the image of scripture must be Mary and cannot be the Church - If the woman represents the Church, then we're left with the obvious anomaly of the Church being the offspring of the Church . . .



This means that, granted the woman is Mary, the Apostle and evangelist John is depicting her in a glorious and compelling new light -- as the Queen of Heaven.
Clare D
2008-07-09 15:54:15 UTC
this is very true shes not the queen of every thing and while we are talking of mary why do catholics pray to her shes not a god either and your not supposed to worship false idols it says father,,son ,,and holy ghost,, i dont know a single passage where it says oh yeah and mary you know jesus s mum sorry no offence intended this has genuinely puzzled me for years cx


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