Question:
Are the scriptures supposed to be understood "symbolically" ONLY?
2009-06-11 12:03:19 UTC
When Jesus told the affected man "take your bed and walk, your sin is forgiven", was He meaning this "symbolically", or He ACTUALLY meant everything He said? Was the person "forgiven" by still in crotches?

When Jehovah speaks about Israel and says in Numbers 18:19 "All the heave offerings of the holy things, which the children of Israel offer unto the LORD, have I given thee, and thy sons and thy daughters with thee, by a statute FOR EVER: it is a covenant of salt FOR EVER before the LORD unto thee and to thy seed with thee."

And when He promised to do this: Isaiah 27:12 "And it shall come to pass in that day, that the LORD shall beat off from the channel of the river unto the stream of Egypt, and ye shall be gathered one by one, O ye children of Israel."

If He promised this: Jer 23:8 "But, The LORD liveth, which brought up and which led the seed of the house of Israel out of the north country, and from all countries whither I had driven them; and they shall DWELL IN THEIR OWN LAND." Why is it that some christian groups are teaching He only said this "figuratively", but what He REALLY meant was SPIRITUAL Israel?

Why did Jesus said then that at His return He will step onto where Golgotha was located and split the mountain?

Is it maybe to erase the fact that Jesus was a Jew?
Eleven answers:
2009-06-11 12:06:14 UTC
he meant everything he said...
A Friend
2009-06-11 19:14:17 UTC
When Jesus told the affected man "take your bed and walk, your sin is forgiven", was He meaning this "symbolically", or He ACTUALLY meant everything He said? Was the person "forgiven" by still in crotches?"



Jesus showed beyond a shadow of a doubt He was God in the flesh by the fact the man was healed ( not still in crotches) by Jesus forgiving him. He was actually healed and actually forgiven.



The promises of God are sure and will be fulfilled. Your understanding is no hinderance to Gods abilities.



Love
2009-06-11 19:07:53 UTC
You are mostly correct. Two errors... IT IS CRUTCHES...not crotches... holy cow... And, when Jesus returns He is foretold to step onto the Mt of Olives. That is according to Acts 1.11,12. In that same last discourse of Jesus, He was asked about the kingdom by the apostles as if it were literal. And, HE did not say, no no it is not literal, He said it is not for you to know the day or the hour.
2009-06-11 21:36:34 UTC
No, not symbolic, it was true healing, and when he comes back to the Mt. of Olives and splits the mountain, it's not to erase the fact he was a Jew. It has something to do with winning the war of Armageddon (Rev. 16:16) when many nations are attacking Israel.
HAYAH
2009-06-11 19:10:36 UTC
@"When Jesus told the affected man "take your bed and walk, your sin is forgiven", was He meaning this "symbolically", or He ACTUALLY meant everything He said? Was the person "forgiven" by still in crotches?"



No, the man literally Got-Up and walked.

The man ran to the temple and told what happened, Jesus found him again and told him soon he will have to repent of his sins or it would come back on him.



Jesus mostly spoke in parables because some things were NOT meant to be understood.

YET.
Phoínix
2009-06-13 22:12:15 UTC
about Jesus, he was a Jew and it is been said in the Bible, and about the jews, who cares anymore, at the book of Hebrews God said they aren't His favorite people anymore.

At the Bible, the things that i have noticed and I have read, some things are to be taken as metaphors with a meaning and other things are to be taken as literally. Example, all Jesus miracles are to be taken as facts, real, but His stories were metaphors with a meaning.



Many things are to be understood with an open heart, and some things are open to different interpretations, without really to be shure what exactly are some meanings.
scotty_84116
2009-06-11 19:16:37 UTC
Without a prophet, your guess is as good as mine.

With a prophet there is no guessing. The Lord has restored His Church with Apostles and Prophets (mormon.org). Christ IS a Jew and his followers become of the house of Israel by blood line or adoption.
The Scalpel and the Soul
2009-06-11 19:07:35 UTC
You can understand them symbolically if you want to. The real question is whether or not the Biblical description of God is accurate. Does any one organized religion accurately portray God? I'd be inclined to say "no".
Friend
2009-06-11 19:06:42 UTC
If God was a symbol, you and i and neither this creation would have existed.
2009-06-11 19:06:27 UTC
no and it takes being born again for more understanding...also good to use footnote Bibles which have scholar footnotes..
2009-06-11 19:07:00 UTC
You need to know who wrote the Bible. Then you will understand a bit more about anything else!



The Jewish Bible writers who invented the God worshiped by the Christians and the Creation story claim that during the “creation week” God created “Heaven” with all the angels, but 1/3 of them, including Lucifer* (*Light Bearer, the most beautiful and intelligent angel ever created) were not one bit impressed with God’s “beauty and holiness.” They made full use of their own free will and rebelled against God on the spot! They became known as DEMONS, and SATAN! Christians are sweet talked into totally ignoring this and any other revelation in the Bible that is detrimental to their faith. “God” had all this drama planned BEFORE the foundation of the world or else he wouldn’t create angels with the capacity to become demons and Satan, almost immediately. They were ready to hurt the people that God loves so much from day zero. Satan tempted Eve shortly after she was created! The Bible writers were a bunch of sadistic perverts making up the story of a wanking God the Father planning to sacrifice God the Son Jesus Christ to make up for creating an angel capable of introducing “sin” into this world! God’s solution was to have Jesus beaten to a pulp, have him heavily marinated in Roman soldiers’ spit and nailed by the hands and feet to a Holy Cross especially designed for the occasion! There is no record that the Romans ever crucified anybody on any cross in Jerusalem. Our body is too heavy to hang in there from the 2 nailed hands, but what the heck! The Romans were known to impale their victims driving a pole into their rectum and making them stand up into the air until the pole would eventually pierce the heart or lung and kill the victim. There were plenty of poles available to the Romans for free. They never had to manufacture any cross or even a NAIL that were not easy to make in those days! Any cross would need to be very carefully designed so the horizontal beam would stay solid in place. in a very primitive and costly fashion just to nail common thieves? It hardly takes a few neurons in anybody’s brain to tell that the whole crucifixion idea is no different from any Heathenistic fetish dreamed up by the wanking Bible writers many years after the events are alleged to have taken place. The wooden pole idea to hang Jesus UPON THE TREE (Deut 21:23) would have been more appropriate to “fulfill” that wacky “prophecy,” but unfortunately it doesn’t have the same religious effect as dying nailed to an artistically designed Holy Cross! BTW, the JWs teach that Jesus if he ever existed was nailed to a pole with his hands above his head held by one single nail, but not to a cross! Anytime you see a stick laying around in a Kingdom Hall, it may be a religious symbol! Any JW into sadomasochistic pleasures would feel a mind blowing erotic feeling to be thrashed with a religious symbol!



1 Peter 1:19-20 (KJV) But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot* (*but full of Roman soldiers’ spit!): who verily was foreordained before* (*read again! “WHO VERILY WAS FOREORDAINED BEFORE”) THE FOUNDATION OF THE WORLD!



Hebrews 10:7 (KJV) Then said I* (*Jesus Christ!), Lo, I come in the volume of the book it is written of me, to do thy will, O God.* (*Jesus is recognizing a higher God authority than himself and that he is following the script in a book!!! That is why the Bible writers always claimed that Jesus did this and that so that any “prophecy” about him may be fulfilled – e.g. Mat 4:14! There is nothing extraordinary fulfilling any Bible “prophecy” that way!)



The Bible writers claim that God got so p*ssed off at all the dissenting angels that he didn’t provide them with a Savior, instead he created a sulfuric fire burning HelI somewhere in the depth of this Earth during the same “Creation Week” to punish them someday for ever and ever along with all the human beings who never heard or received Jesus Christ into their heart (Mat 25:41)! All this was taking place before God had a chance of creating Adam! God is still in desperate need of all the help that he can get from the Demons and Satan to give a Hell of a time to good men like Job (Job 42:11), to tempt Jesus Christ’s weakness for world domination, and to make life miserable to everybody, including Christians! NOW all the Demons and Satan are freely commuting back and forth to Earth, but at the “end of the world” they will be evicted from Heaven and cast down to Earth. The Bible God and Satan are not much different from any of the Heathen Gods of that time! For obvious reasons preachers are hiding all these facts in the Bible! It takes an honest atheist to tell Christians and the whole world how barbaric and primitive is Christianity!



Revelation 12:9-10 (KJV) And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent* (*that tempted Eve), called the Devil, and Satan, which DECEIVETH the whole world he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him. And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven* (*Heaven is full of sound effects like in any Greek theater of that time!), Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for THE ACCUSER OF OUR BRETHREN IS CAST DOWN, WHICH ACCUSED THEM BEFORE OUR GOD DAY AND NIGHT.



The whole Bible story is like a classical Greek theatrical show. The Bible writers claim that the Devil and his angels or rather demons are now DAY AND NIGHT EXTREMELY BUSY IN HEAVEN! You can tell that the Bible Heaven is run by a whole bunch of jack@sses. The Holy Throne of the Bible God is infested with all sorts of Demons blowing the whistle on any misbehaving Christian! Christians ought to know and tremble! God never gets tired to listen to their reports! God is on record that he destroyed Sodom based on their report (Gen 18:20-21)! God also heard reports that the world was living in full harmony, had a common language, and that people were united in an effort to build a tower made of clay and tar to reach Heaven! God was so p*ssed off that he had the whole Trinity team come down to EARTH to personally check the confidential demonic reports that he was getting. In punishment for the human attempt in pursuing some technological advances in the clay and tar applications God screwed up the common language and harmony spoken on this Earth in a way that nobody could understand each other again and that is why we have so many languages today! Regardless of any denial, the Bible God demonstrated to be the “Chief Author of Confusion” to this day (Gen 11:5-7)!



About 1,000 Bible years after the first angelical rebellion in Heaven more angels made use of their free will and banded together to quit Heaven when they noticed that the girls from around here were "BEAUTIFUL" so they came down from Heaven and had sex and family with them (Gen 6:1-2) – This is a clue in the Bible that regardless of any denial the male angels were created with well hung and fully functional sexual organs, and that sex in Heaven must be very lousy or boring because in Heaven there are no female angels! Christians claim that anybody going to Heaven will become like some asexual angels FOR EVER AND EVER, if true then God probably had to castrate the rest of the angels to keep them in line! Castration plays a mighty role in Bible theology. Jesus will be surrounded “for all eternity” by 144,000 Jews from the 12 tribes of Israel, all of them MALE virgins who never messed with women (Rev 7:3-4, 14:4)! Jesus never expressed any interest for VIRGIN GIRLS, but he is on record HIGHLY FAVORING VIRGIN GUYS (are they gay Jews playing with each other, but not with women?) It sounds like Jesus is a gay in the closet, too! Only he can make the most astonishing miracle in the world of finding 144,000 virgin Jewish guys anywhere in the world today JUST BEFORE THE RAPTURE! BTW, the JW teachers know it can’t happen so they claim this right for a list of 144,000 of their own wanking men!



Now Satan is very much respected in Heaven! No human or angel has the power to hurt or offend Satan (Jude 1:9)! At times, Satan is much more powerful than God! (1 Thes 2:8, Judg 1:19) The wanking Bible writers claim that God delivered to Satan ALL the kingdoms in the world (Mat 4)! God must be a terrible poker player! So Satan dragged Jesus Christ like a queer guy to a spot in a secluded public restroom on top of the highest mountain so Jesus could see ALL the kingdoms on this flat Earth. Satan was ready to hand them over to him only if Jesus would discreetly KNEEL DOWN and worship him guy to guy, but Jesus chickened out telling him that only Jehovah God ought to be worshipped like that! As a teacher of God Jesus blows my mind! In the Bible it says that without gullibility it is IMPOSSIBLE to please God (Heb 11:6)! Atheists can relate to that 100%! Jesus clarifies that one has to have the gullibility of a child to follow him! The Bible stories are no different from any story of Heathen origin that amazingly after 2000 years Christians today still deep throat like a charm, spiritually speaking of course!


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