Question:
You know how Muslims claim that the Holy Spirit in the Bible means Muhammed?
Annsan_In_Him
2013-01-09 02:42:49 UTC
Well, I came across this Bible verse which would mean that Muhammed would have to declare that Jesus is Lord - if the Muslim interpretation is correct. It says,

"Therefore I tell you that no-one who is speaking by the Spirit of God says, 'Jesus be cursed,' and no-one can say, 'Jesus is Lord,' except by the Holy Spirit." (1 Corinthians 12:3)

Of course, no Muslim would ever say "Jesus be cursed"! But equally, no Muslim would ever say "Jesus is Lord". They will say Jesus is a prophet, but is it not true that no Muslim would ever say "Jesus is Lord"? That declaration of faith requires the Holy Spirit's enabling.

So this must prove that the Holy Spirit in the Bible cannot be interpreted to mean Muhammed? Yes?
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2013-01-09 03:18:43 UTC
Dr. Khalil Ahmad Nasir wrote that “Jesus said that he was sent to the world only to give as much guidance as the people of his own time could bear. As for complete teaching which would stay forever with mankind, he said: But the comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you (John 14:26). Only the prophet of Islam could have fulfilled this prophecy of Jesus. Muhammad was truly sent in his name because he bore testimony to his truth." (Dr. Khalil Ahmad Nasir, Muhammad in the Bible - see the first link below)



Dr. Nasir left out the last part of that verse which says “for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.” How can Muhammad dwell with you and be in you? The real Comforter is the Holy Ghost, or the Holy Spirit. This is no mere man, but is the 3rd member of the Holy Trinity. This same Spirit is referred to in the Bible as the Spirit of God, the Spirit of Christ and the Spirit of Truth.



Read Acts chapter 1 and substitute Muhammad for Holy Ghost (or Spirit) and you’ll see how ridiculous the claim that Muhammad is the Comforter really is. “But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth”. – Acts 1:8. Muhammed never bore witness to the risen, resurrected and glorified Christ Jesus. No Muslim ever would.



The Holy Ghost (or Spirit) is the promised Comforter and arrived on the day of Pentecost,seven days after the resurrected Jesus left the disciples to return to heaven. “And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place. And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting. And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them. And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.” Acts 2:1-4



Jesus said the Comforter would come not many days after he departed. Muhammad didn’t arrive until at least 500 years after Jesus ascended back into heaven! One last thing, Jesus also had this to say about the Comforter, “He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you.” (John 16:14) Jesus said “I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father but through Me.” (John 14:6) Islam denies all of that.



The Greek word translated "Comforter or Counselor" is "Parakletos" as found in John 14:16, 26; 15:26; and 16:7. Once, it is translated "advocate" (1 John 2:1). The New International Version (NIV) has translated the word as Counselor. The form of the word is unquestionably passive. It can properly mean only "one called to the side of another," and that with the secondary notion of counseling or supporting or aiding him. The contexts in which the word "paraclete" occurs in the New Testament lead to the same conclusions as the form and the independent usage of the word. In 1 John 2:1, the sense "Advocate" alone suits the argument, though the Greek fathers explain the term as applied to the Lord in the same way as in the Gospel. In the Gospel again, the sense of Advocate, counsel, one who pleads, convinces, convicts, who strengthens on the one hand and defends on the other, is alone adequate. Christ as the Advocate pleads the believer's cause with the Father against the accuser Satan (1 John 2:1; compare Romans 8:26, and also Revelation 12:10; Zechariah 3:1). The Holy Spirit (Parakletos) as the Advocate pleads the believer's cause against the world (John 16:8ff) and also Christ's cause with the believer (John 14:26; 15:26; 16:14). Read the second link for more Bible-based information (GT):
2013-01-09 11:09:08 UTC
Muhammed didn't live for over 1,000 years later, and then died of poisoning.



So do they espouse reincarnation also?



The Holy Spirit nowhere is indicated to be a force, but rather has 70 functions

which show the Holy Spirit to all the things (without any help or intervention)

that God does.



A force must be directed by something or someone greater than it is.



The Holy Spirit is neither male nor female just as Jesus said we would

be in the new heaven and new earth.



Since Muhammed did not have any of these 70 abilities and did not

yet exist....and would not exist for over 1,000 years, and since

it is a HOLY Spirit and Muhammed never claimed to be holy,

nor was his life lived in a way that he deemed that way,

then nothing is in common here.
GummyBear
2013-01-09 11:01:43 UTC
Firstly, No, I'm not aware of this argument, Secondly, It doesn't prove anything. All religious texts are open to personal interpretation. The Bible says one may never wear clothes woven of three fabrics (Deuteronomy 22:11), But it's very rare christian would bother obeying this rule, and that's in the very book they follow almost religiously... almost.



Even if certain Muslims claim this (and I have strong doubts as to whether this is a serious claim) it doesn't mean they have to place any serious validity in the Bible and have to follow it's passages. They have the Koran for that.



It can be interpreted any way you wish, but I don't see you stoning your son to death for being a drunkard any time soon (Deuteronomy 21:20-21), so if You aren't even bound by your own religious texts, don't expect members of other religions to be.
Ceisiwr
2013-01-09 10:47:36 UTC
My understanding is that Muslims interpret the Comforter as Muhammad, not the Holy Spirit.



Christians interpret the comforter or paraclete (paracleitos) referred to in John 14:16 as the visitation of the Holy Spirit as a great wind in Acts 2.



Muslims interpret it as Muhammad (Ahmad). And my understanding is that Muslims think of the Holy Spirit as the angel Gabriel (Jibril). (Peace Be Upon Them.)
pugjw9896
2013-01-09 10:52:32 UTC
The holy spirit is God's POWER...A FORCE...

And is NOT AN IDENTITY...



In the Bible, it is never given a personAL NAME. When it is mentioned, it is depicted as a dove coming down from heaven , as in the case of Jesus' baptism, or even as flames from the heads of the 120 in the upper room...

We cannot communicate with it direct, but we can pray for SOME of it...

Even Jesus prayed to his father, Jehovah, for it...

And when he did, this power was granted, allowing Jesus to feed the multitude...the loaves and fishes...
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2013-01-09 10:50:00 UTC
Muhammad was a megalomaniac and I,m sure he would have claimed to be God if he could have gotten away with it. I think you can safely ignore Islam as a religion. It is really a personality cult and expansionist ideology.
SH
2013-01-09 21:09:12 UTC
The Holy Spirit is known by many names and titles, most of which denote some function or aspect of His ministry. Below are some of the names and descriptions the Bible uses for the Holy Spirit:

Author of Scripture: (2 Peter 1:21; 2 Timothy 3:16) The Bible is inspired, literally “God-breathed,” by the Holy Spirit, the third Person of the Trinity.

Comforter / Counselor / Advocate: (Isaiah 11:2; John 14:16; 15:26; 16:7) All three words are translations of the Greek parakletos, from which we get “Paraclete,” another name for the Spirit. When Jesus went away, His disciples were greatly distressed because they had lost His comforting presence. But He promised to send the Spirit to comfort, console, and guide those who belong to Christ. The Spirit also “bears witness” with our spirits that we belong to Him and thereby assures us of salvation.

Convicter of Sin: (John 16:7-11) The Spirit applies the truths of God to men’s own minds in order to convince them by fair and sufficient arguments that they are sinners. Those who deny these truths rebel against the conviction of the Spirit.

Deposit / Seal / Earnest: (2 Corinthians 1:22; 5:5; Ephesians 1:13-14) The Holy Spirit is God’s seal on His people, His claim on us as His very own. The gift of the Spirit to believers is a down payment on our heavenly inheritance, which Christ has promised us and secured for us at the cross. It is because the Spirit has sealed us that we are assured of our salvation. No one can break the seal of God.

Guide: (John 16:13) Just as the Spirit guided the writers of Scripture to record truth, so does He promise to guide believers to know and understand that truth. God’s truth is “foolishness” to the world, because it is “spiritually discerned” (1 Corinthians 2:14). Those who belong to Christ have the indwelling Spirit who guides us into all we need to know in regard to spiritual matters. Those who do not belong to Christ have no “interpreter” to guide them to know and understand God’s Word.

Indweller of Believers: (Romans 8:9-11; Ephesians 2:21-22; 1 Corinthians 6:19) The Holy Spirit resides in the hearts of God’s people, and that indwelling is the distinguishing characteristic of the regenerated person. From within believers, He directs, guides, comforts, and influences us, as well as producing in us the fruit of the Spirit (Galatians 5:22-23). He provides the intimate connection between God and His children. All true believers in Christ have the Spirit residing in their hearts.

Intercessor: (Romans 8:26) When we do not know what to pray He intercedes for us.

Revealer / Spirit of Truth: (John 14:17; 16:13; 1 Corinthians 2:12-16) Jesus promised that, after the resurrection, the Holy Spirit would come to “guide you into all truth.” Because of the Spirit in our hearts, we are able to understand truth, especially in spiritual matters, in a way that non-Christians cannot. In fact, the truth the Spirit reveals to us is “foolishness” to them, and they cannot understand it. But we have the mind of Christ in the Person of His Spirit within us.

Spirit of God / the Lord / Christ: (Matthew 3:16; 2 Corinthians 3:17; 1 Peter 1:11) These names remind us that the Spirit of God is indeed part of the triune godhead and that He is just as much God as the Father and the Son. He is first revealed to us at the creation, when He was “hovering over the waters,” denoting His part in creation, along with that of Jesus who “made all things” (John 1:1-3). We see this same Trinity of God again at Jesus’ baptism, when the Spirit descends on Jesus and the voice of the Father is heard.

Spirit of Life: (Romans 8:2) The phrase “Spirit of life” means the Holy Spirit is the one who produces or gives life, not that He initiates salvation, but rather that He imparts newness of life. When we receive eternal life through Christ, the Spirit provides the spiritual food that is the sustenance of the spiritual life. Here again, we see the triune God at work. We are saved by the Father through the work of the Son, and that salvation is sustained by the Holy Spirit.

Teacher: (John 14:26; 1 Corinthians 2:13) Jesus promised that the Spirit would teach His disciples “all things” and bring to their remembrance the things He said while He was with them.

Witness: (Romans 8:16; Hebrews 2:4; 10:15) The Spirit is called “witness” because He verifies and testifies to the fact that we are children of God, that Jesus and the disciples who performed miracles were sent by God, and that the books of the Bible are divinely inspired. Further, by giving the gifts of the Spirit to believers, He witnesses to us and the world that we belong to God.
2013-01-09 11:47:56 UTC
It's yet another example of islam clutching at straws to offer its followers some sort of 'evidence' - however vague and by performing lexical, textual and contextual massaging, twisting and contorting - that islam has any authenticity at all.



It's desperation at its most pitiful level.



John
☦ICXCNIKA ☦
2013-01-09 18:14:04 UTC
Mulism would then claim this is a corruption and that it really meant to say something about bowing to Mexa 5 times a day, and so forth.
الله أعلم. Mohoho
2013-01-09 11:33:39 UTC
Indian- you and your sick indian religion is satanic.............you keep a sword which is a sign of evil in you poeple.



Your religion is just a big fat joke what esaqually do you have to commit to in sikhsm/hindusm nothing just eat go to the gurdawara pray to your fake statue's and **** afterward's.



It takes nothing to be an sad ''indian'' and you are all perverts like your sad guru nank was.
Mystery Owl
2013-01-09 10:47:37 UTC
Where on earth did you get that idea, the Muslims don't deify their prophets
2013-01-09 10:44:36 UTC
It's not worth even trying to talk sense to those deranged bearded savages - they're beyond reason.
implumbus
2013-01-09 11:23:44 UTC
yes



islam is a lie
shad
2013-01-09 10:44:46 UTC
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Brian
2013-01-09 10:44:34 UTC
do they really think that wow these people are that stupid.
RiTz
2013-01-09 10:45:16 UTC
Duh


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