Question:
In a nutshell, why do you believe your religious views (this goes for atheists too) agree with reality?
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2014-12-01 04:23:46 UTC
In a nutshell, why do you believe your religious views (this goes for atheists too) agree with reality?
31 answers:
Arantheal  
2014-12-01 04:30:15 UTC
Are you asking for anecdotes which confirm my views? I don't use anecdotes to confirm religious views because a lot of people of different persuasions have them yet disagree with each other so there's quite clearly something wrong with using anecdotes for reaching conclusions about religion. What you're asking is sort of like asking for what things that I can see confirm that the Standard Model of physics reflects reality. That's not the way to think of it at all.
?
2014-12-01 15:52:13 UTC
I wake up i go to work i drive my car i eat my meals there is no invisible force directing me what to think what to do what to eat what to do I was a person who practiced religion for 30 years I have been an atheist for 32 years as a person of religion my life was always apprehension anxiety over whelmed by religious doctrine weekly sermons of my need to repent i am evil the devil is out to bring me to wickedness I supported the church for 30 years TODAY and 33 years later I have saved all the money I would have paid to hear how evil i was my personal savings account is $ 35,000 i have no anxiety and i am much richer and feel secure happier and I know i am not evil and have never worried about dying again or invisible deities devil heaven or hell that in my view is as close to reality as i can get healthier also
?
2014-12-01 12:17:05 UTC
Ephesians 1:4 says that God picked His believers before the foundation of the World. Now apply that verse to the atheist, Muslims, etc. who have turned from the lie and embraced the truth. Fr those who claim the Bible can't be understood or is a fairy tale, it says that the Bible is foolishness to the world because it was written for God's believers. For those "Christians" who became disillusioned with Christianity and left saying it is a bunch of BS, they were Christian by name only because how can you leave the truth and go back to a lie?
?
2014-12-01 07:42:43 UTC
The only way primitive religion exists today is through the child abuse of forcing it into very, very young children but thanks to better education and growing intellects so many teens are able to discover the truth, throw off the indoctrination and step into the real world!



So atheism is not a conscious decision or a belief but a realisation!



The first person to produce a single tiny little piece of verifiable evidence for any god will become world famous and mega rich!



Academia states that in the absence of any sort of evidence of the existence of something it must be deemed not to exist until verifiable evidence is found - thus god is held not to exist pending some sort of verifiable evidence.



The bible is what is called "Faction” A fictional story set in a factual time and place. Thus the time, place and real historical characters are all correct but the fictional characters and stories are not!



There is not one single mention of Jesus in the entire Roman record - that is right - not one! At the same time as he was supposed to have been around there were a number of Jews claiming to be the messiah - all of whom are well recorded!



There is not a single contemporary record from any source and even the bible mentions of him like all other references were not written until many years after his supposed death!



He was supposed to have been a huge problem to the Romans and produced wonderful miracles but still not one contemporary record?



Even the bible mentions of him like all other references were not written until many years after his supposed death!



Pilate is recorded in the Roman record as a somewhat lack luster man but no mention of a Jesus, a trial or crucifixion that would surely have been used to make him look brighter!



At best he was an amalgam of those others but almost certainly never existed!



Not one word of it is contemporary with the period and was not written until several hundred years after the period the story is set in!! How did the apostles write their books more than a hundred years after they would have been dead?



Christianity is an invention of the Italians and that is why it came from the Holy ROMAN Catholic church!



Please realize that those claims for the Old historians are worthless since they were not even born until long after everyone in the stories would have been so long dead!



Josephus AD 37 – AD 100

Tacitus AD 56 – AD 120

Suetonius - 69 – 130 AD

Pliny the Younger, 61 AD – 112 AD

Justin Martyr (Saint Justin) AD103–165 AD

Lucian - AD 120 -180 AD but he was hostile to Christianity and openly mocked it.

Pamphilius AD 240-309 AD

Eusebius AD 263 – 339 AD

Photius AD 877 – 886 AD



Thallus - But there are no actual record of him except a fragment of writing which mentions the sack of Troy [109 BC] Showing that he was clearly not alive in biblical times.



Some even try to use Seneca. 4 BCE – 65 CE but as a Stoic Philosopher he opposed religion yet made not a single mention of a Jesus or Christianity!



Even funnier is trying to claim Celsus AD ? – 177 AD Who said that Jesus was a Jew who’se mother was a poor Jewish girl whose husband, who was a carpenter, drove her away because of her adultery with a Roman soldier named Panthera. She gave birth to an illegitimate child named Jesus. In Egypt, Jesus became learned in sorcery and upon his return presented himself as a god.
l
2014-12-01 04:26:24 UTC
My religious views agree with reality because I don't believe in "heaven" or "hell" (there is no evidence for them) I don't believe in any of the thousands of proposed gods (no evidence) I don't believe you should stone to death disobedient children (immoral) and I don't believe you should follow the Bible and kill anyone who works on the Sabbath (immoral)... and more...
Annsan_In_Him
2014-12-01 04:33:42 UTC
Because the nut is in the shell for intelligent reasons and to progress life on this planet. Squirrels know a lot about nuts.



Intelligent religionists knows a lot about the creator of nuts and squirrels. And they are grateful. This accords perfectly with the reality of nuts, squirrels, Life and God.



[You asked for a nutshell, right?] AiH
?
2014-12-01 05:06:16 UTC
Reality is like undeniably evident raw resources, shaped and rearranged per someone's vision into a house, a calculator, thermonuclear device, kitchen sink... It is perception of reality - like that involving glass filled half way, and the beholder then either fixates upon the emptiness upon stating "it is half empty", or abundance "half full". Same glass, different perspectives, perspectives affect quality of life - those who mostly see all they lack in life, feel worse than those who have less in comparison yet appreciate it upon seeing it as presence of a bounty. Case in point certain billionaires chasing after their first million hoping it would satisfy, but did not, so chased after always more, never being satisfied, until they realized they were looking at life through a negative filter of always lacking something more. Many religions endeavor to answer life's deeper issues not easily discerned with senses or deduced through reason. My religious views agree with reality because they are composed of its "raw elemental components", same "raw materials" as used to substantiate another religion, it involves perception of same "glass", a perception which leads to diametrically opposing states in life - one of contentment amidst trials of life, one of grumbling despite opulence and wealth.



In time, and greater understanding, I realized religion is just the first step, it equips the traveler in life with some basic notions, like a road map with holes and some antiquated road systems, still adequate to navigate life in general to a desired destination. If one strives to reach "New York" yet repeatedly ends up in Los Angeles, Toronto, even Moscow, evidently such map isn't as useful as one who at least reaches the outskirts of the Big Apple per following different, albeit perhaps similarly outdated, "map".



Science makes discoveries about our world, explains many phenomena, but it is neither philosophy nor religion. Science states there is a glass and contains liquid, even measures the dimensions of the container and volume, but it is philosophical viewpoint which concludes whether it is half full or empty. In a nut shell, if not late, I accept scientific observations and conclusions pertaining to the measurable reality, my philosophy and religion provide a broader context within which there are no contradictions between description and interpretation of our reality, and, for me seems to function far better than even the absence of these when I was going through my atheist phase.
Scarborough Fair
2014-12-01 04:32:14 UTC
Yes, my religious views reflect what I see in observable life.
?
2014-12-01 04:27:05 UTC
Well, I don't see any evidence for gods, vampires, wizards, ghosts and leprechauns, so I don't believe in them.



It's not something I can control... it's not like I can force myself to believe in obvious myths.

Try to believe in Santa for five minutes - any luck? Then how can I believe in gods...
daicactus
2014-12-01 04:30:12 UTC
Good work getting a question to contain the words religion and reality in the same sentence.
It Is Always Now
2014-12-01 04:44:58 UTC
My religious views are that all religions are BS.



Yes. I do believe this conforms to reality, since a belief by definition is what you think conforms to reality.
?
2014-12-01 04:27:28 UTC
I'm A Christian! Because I don't care about reason or logic.
odd
2014-12-01 04:34:45 UTC
If there were no Truth in the the message than the message would have no meaning for me. That which is false is not Real. This goes deeper than "observable" life (the concrete and physical).
anonymous
2014-12-01 04:25:46 UTC
They don't, not exactly. But neither can I ignore the spiritual experiences I've had for the sake of being "enlightened." To do so would be intellectually dishonest.
G C
2014-12-01 05:44:20 UTC
The Bible has been validated by objective science as truth using absolute truth of nature. It is no longer up for debate. I have done my own research, testing and checking to ensure for myself that the God revealed in the Bible is THE God. Universal Law shows in how it all works together that there is but one God and that God I have proven to myself is the God of the Bible. No other religious writing or god is true.
anonymous
2014-12-01 04:45:13 UTC
I'm a Christian because of the miracles I see every day. Because of the personal relationship I have with God. Because of what God created and gifted to us.
?
2014-12-01 04:38:48 UTC
Simple, I don't believe things unless they can be reconciled with reality.
?
2014-12-01 20:22:11 UTC
The Holy Spirit showed me that I was a sinner in need of a Savior, That Jesus Christ was that Savior and if I repented of my sins and by faith trusted Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior that I would be Saved for all eternity.I believed it and acted on it in faith and was Saved. I have no choice but to believe it. God bless.
anonymous
2014-12-01 12:58:37 UTC
I do not have religious views, I would have to decide the view I believe in, Nothing comes to mind.
biggalloot2003
2014-12-01 04:34:28 UTC
Most people believe what they are told. That is why people in Iowa believe in jesus, people in Iran believe in allah, and people in India believe in Shiva.



If your beliefs are shaped by what you see rather than what you are told, you don't belong to a church or religion.
🤔 Jay
2014-12-01 04:27:03 UTC
Atheists do not have religious views....



Religion is in the supernatural, metaphysical realm....

Which is Man-made bullshit, not reality!
anonymous
2014-12-01 04:29:00 UTC
Why would you, a claimed atheist, say atheists have religious views.
Shawn Robin
2014-12-01 08:35:53 UTC
Personal experience: Mathematically impossible resolutions to life-threatening or crisis situations.

Otherwise referred to as, 'miracles'. Miracles that occurred only after praying for help, not before.



Professional experience. I hold an MMath in Quantum Information & work in the field of quantum computing.

I agree wholeheartedly with what my personal heroes and sources of inspiration said on the subject.



That's the nutshell version. What my personal heroes said follows, in case you're curious:



“God is a mathematician of a very high order and He used advanced mathematics in constructing the universe.”

–Nobel Prize winning physicist Paul A. M. Dirac, who made crucial early contributions to both quantum mechanics and quantum electrodynamics.



“Both religion and science require a belief in God. For believers, God is in the beginning, and for physicists He is at the end of all considerations… To the former He is the foundation, to the latter, the crown of the edifice of every generalized world view.”

“There can never be any real opposition between religion and science; for the one is the complement of the other. Every serious and reflective person realizes, I think, that the religious element in his nature must be recognized and cultivated if all the powers of the human soul are to act together in perfect balance and harmony. And indeed it was not by accident that the greatest thinkers of all ages were deeply religious souls.”

–Max Planck, the Nobel Prize winning physicist considered to be the founder of quantum theory, and one of the most important physicists of the 20th century, indeed of all time.



“Those who say that the study of science makes a man an atheist must be rather silly.”

“Something which is against natural laws seems to me rather out of the question because it would be a depressive idea about God. It would make God smaller than he must be assumed. When he stated that these laws hold, then they hold, and he wouldn’t make exceptions. This is too human an idea. Humans do such things, but not God.”

–Nobel Prize winning physicist Max Born, who was instrumental in the development of quantum mechanics.



“In the history of science, ever since the famous trial of Galileo, it has repeatedly been claimed that scientific truth cannot be reconciled with the religious interpretation of the world. Although I am now convinced that scientific truth is unassailable in its own field, I have never found it possible to dismiss the content of religious thinking as simply part of an outmoded phase in the consciousness of mankind, a part we shall have to give up from now on. Thus in the course of my life I have repeatedly been compelled to ponder on the relationship of these two regions of thought, for I have never been able to doubt the reality of that to which they point.”

–Werner Heisenberg, who was awarded the 1932 Nobel Prize in Physics for the creation of quantum mechanics (which is absolutely crucial to modern science).



“I believe that a full understanding of this remarkable human capacity for scientific discovery ultimately requires the insight that our power in this respect is the gift of the universe’s Creator who, in that ancient and powerful phrase, has made humanity in the image of God (Genesis I: 26-27). Through the exercise of this gift, those working in fundamental physics are able to discern a world of deep and beautiful order–a universe shot thorough with signs of mind. I believe that it is indeed the Mind of that world’s Creator that is perceived in this way. Science is possible because the universe is a divine creation.”

–Former Cambridge University Professor of Mathematical Physics John Polkinghorne, as quoted in his book Quantum Physics and Theology: An Unexpected Kinship. Polkinghorne is a Fellow of the Royal Society (FRS) and Knight Commander of the Order of the British Empire (KBE). In part because of his insights about God from physics, Polkinghorne changed careers and joined the Anglican priesthood.



“A Creator must exist. The Big Bang ripples and subsequent scientific findings are clearly pointing to an ex nihilo creation consistent with the first few verses of the book of Genesis.”

–Quantum chemist Henry F. Schaefer III, five time nominee for the Nobel Prize.



“I strongly believe in the existence of God, based on intuition, observations, logic, and also scientific knowledge.”

“Science, with its experiments and logic, tries to understand the order or structure of the universe. Religion, with its theological inspiration and reflection, tries to understand the purpose or meaning of the universe. These two are cross-related. Purpose implies structure, and structure ought somehow to be interpretable in terms of purpose.”

“At least this is the way I see it. I am a physicist. I also consider myself a Christian. As I try to understand the nature of our universe in these two modes of thinking, I see many commonalities and crossovers between science and religion. It seems logical that in the long run the two will even converge.”

–Charles Hard Townes, who received the 1964 Nobel Prize in Physics for his fundamental work in the field of quantum electronics.



They're hardly the only scientists that think that way:

Link - http://godevidence.com/2010/08/quotes-about-god/



What I've seen in my work convinces me there's more to the universe than random happenstance.

There's a definite, purposely created order to all things. In other words, God's Creation.
Michael Darnell
2014-12-01 05:25:16 UTC
I'm a non-religious atheist, as opposed to say a Theravada Buddhist who has an atheistic religious belief. Consequently I find the views of science and materialism acceptably consistent with reality, because they are testable and verifiable. I don't believe in Gods, because there is no testable evidence for them. I don't follow religions because religions do not have any way to test their validity.
anonymous
2014-12-01 04:42:08 UTC
I have already experienced three scientifically Impossible Live saving miracles! I would have been dead and gone decades ago If God had not saved me!
Disciple of Truth
2014-12-01 23:20:28 UTC
My religion is to seek truth, which is reality.
anonymous
2014-12-01 06:20:44 UTC
Answered prayer!
?
2014-12-01 04:58:08 UTC
I accept reality, but I also accept there are other realities.
Hardest Worker
2014-12-01 04:39:27 UTC
Because it makes sense.
anonymous
2014-12-01 04:30:12 UTC
Because my atheism requires no faith, magic, or superstition.
James O
2014-12-01 09:07:52 UTC
because I successfully live them


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