Question:
can christians explain these parts of the bible i disagree with?
?
2010-02-21 15:41:47 UTC
Some parts are good like the part that says dont kill people, though there dont seem to be so many christians concerned about that these days, but anyway there are many parts of the bible i disagree with

The bible tells you to pay taxes and to support whichever governmental system you are living under even if they are militaristic and evil, Jesus and his followers paid their taxes to the roman government even though part of that tax money would have been spent on executions, weapons for the army etc. that means you are effectively committing murder by supporting and being a part of these systems, how can I follow the bible if I disagree with this?

The bible says "thou shalt not steal" but what is stealing? was robin hood a thief? I believe everything on earth is here for all lifeforms to share equally, so are the rich the true thieves and many "thieves" just redistributing wealth and items making the world fairer? are you a thief if you are always full whilst others are starving?

I read a story in the bible that said god commanded a man to sacrifice his son to show his faith, the man was about to sacrifice his son when god told him he was pleased the man was prepared to kill his son and commanded him to kill a goat instead. Im a vegan, why did the goat have to die? it sounds very unfair to me.

Christians believe god made man in his image and that everything on earth, all nature, animals etc are there for man. I think its arrogant to believe everything on earth is here for us, I believe every species has an equal right to existence and arent just here to please us.

These are some of the parts of the bible I disagree with, any thoughts are welcome but I would be surprised if anyone can convince me that they are all the correct way to live.
Seventeen answers:
Higgs Boatswain
2010-02-21 15:47:30 UTC
I think you seriously misinderstand the Bible, and Christianity. In the case of your first point, for example, you do not provide a Biblical quote in support of your bizarre claim, but I think you have in fact got things entirely the wrong way around. In fact, I think your understanding of Christian attitiudes to political power is so utterly topsy-turvsy that I do not even know where to begin correcting you. If you look at the history of |Christian political thought, however, you will soon see that - while there are many valid ways of conceiving the relationship of the Church to secular authority - the view you propose is not one of them.



In response to your second point, which I think is a rather better one, you must bear in mind the whole social system envisaged in the Old Testament, with its emphasis on justice and equality. It was very different from late-capitalism, which - many Christians might argue - is itself a form of institutionalised theft.



I will skip over the point about animal sacrifice, because this story establishes Jewish cultic practices which are no longer relevant for Christians. But your final point again fundamentally misunderstands Christian theology, which is all about stewardship and care for the earth, which is loaned to us rather than given. Some Christian theology may indeed be anthropocentric (all human thought is!) but much emphasises the goodness of all Ceation and our duties to it.



I seriously wonder what Christians you have been listening to.
anonymous
2010-02-21 15:58:50 UTC
First, you forget that what the bible is that you are reading is nothing at all what it was at one time. It has been sanitized for modern consumption.



Did you know that the Genesis story in the Judaic Talmud, had god creating Adam, pretty much as a serf to tend a patch of ground in the Garden of Eden? The animals were then created, and Adam was mating with them all !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



The god decided this likely wasn't too cool, and only after all the animals had been screwed -- and named, did god see fit to give him Eve. Read it in the Yebamoth, 63a. You can likely get that Judaic Talmud either on line or at any synagogue.



Now, back to your question.



The stealing comes to the US legally. We are no longer a constitutional republic, we are now a capitalist oligarchy, where the means of production are held in the hands of the few. Just look at our Senate.... all wealthy, while you and I work.



All these good ol' boys look out for each other, or hate each other, and since none of them now lives in Washington, partisanism is rampant, and nothing is getting done. Time was they all lived there, and had dinners together.... Their kids went to school together...... pretty hard to demonize someone when you have had dinner at their home.



Such is now not the case, and we are all worse off because of it.
anonymous
2010-02-21 15:57:12 UTC
There are a great many things to be taught and practised. I have frequently thought that I would rather preach to and baptize new converts than to fashion over the old ones, for you can seldom get a good pattern out of them. Some will be full of seams and checks, and you never can make a sound piece out of them. If I had the material to work with I would rather make new ones, than patch up the old ones: but as we have not the new materials to work upon, we must patch up the old ones. Patch up yourselves - make your characters comely to each other. I am not so anxious about the Spirit; let a man walk as pure and holy as the Gods and angels, and then see if there will not be the light of eternity in him. Let a man or woman walk without spot or blemish and the Spirit and power of God Almighty will be with them all the time, and the angels of God will be round about them all the time, they will be preserved to do the will of God preparatory to an eternal exaltation.
anonymous
2016-04-12 15:16:35 UTC
As to the Ark and the month(s) given, literally, there is no contradiction. Noah and his family were in the ark for more than a year, so the mountains would have appeared many months before the ark finally came to rest in a secure location. But, the Jewish calendar has several points that are alternately considered "the first month." That would mean the ninth (or whatever month) would move around the calendar, too.
liarscenic
2010-02-21 16:04:19 UTC
1) the Bible doesn't say "don't kill", it says "don't murder". interpretation and translation are everything.



2) the tax thing is more so that you're not defiant. christianty tries to make example human beings so their word is more trusted, and hopefully with their word they're talking about Jesus.



3) it's the intent of stealing. if it's malicious then yes, it's stealing and wrong. if it's stealing for survival, i don't believe it's wrong. however, this world is messed up, so it's hard to know anymore.



4) it was a test of faith. in the old days animals were sacrificed to atone for the sins of man before Jesus came. after he came he was the final sacrifice and animals were no longer sacrificed. i hate many of the stories in the old testament, though.



5) that's your belief. i think cruelty towards animals is wrong, but eating them is not. killing them purely for fur is also wrong. as i said before, i don't think eating them is.
I <3 Gorillaz
2010-02-21 15:46:04 UTC
Obviously true Christians aren't going around murdering people



It doesn't matter if you disagree, you must follow man's law if you are under it.



Anyone that steals is commiting a sin, whether it be someones boyfriend/girlfriend or the doggy in the window.



Animals are below humans according to God and it doesn't say you have to eat meat and it was required to sacrifice animals in the OT not the NT
?
2010-02-21 16:18:57 UTC
It’s not possible to simply read the bible and understand it. It needs to be studied and preferably with a good knowledge of the Hebrew and Greek languages, the Hebrew and Greek idioms of the time and Hebrew and Greek customs of the time. Otherwise you will come to the wrong conclusions.



I’ll address the first issue you raise. You’ll have to study the others if you sincerely wish to find the truth. Nowhere in the bible are we commanded to pay taxes to any earthly government. Since I don’t know exactly which scripture verses lead you to this conclusion, it’s not possible for me to address your comments directly.



So I’ll say this much. Why would God tell man to pay man honor or tribute when God expects man to give God honor and tribute? If this were true, God would be telling man to worship man. Not likely. Not even possible.



Jesus never paid taxes to Rome. He never paid taxes period, for the reasons I stated above. When the Pharisees tried to trick Jesus by asking Him if it was lawful to pay taxes or not, He told them to give to Caesar what is Caesar’s and give to God what is God’s. Think about it. If it belongs to Caesar you should give it to him. If it doesn’t belong to Caesar then he has no cause to expect it.



What was Caesar’s at that time? The coin with Caesar’s image on it. If you used that coin, it was proof enough you operated in commerce in Caesar’s jurisdiction. If that were true you’d owe Caesar a tax. What if you were from Greece and used a Greek coin? Would you owe Caesar? Of course not. Caesar has no jurisdiction over a Greek.



When the Pharisees asked Peter if Jesus paid taxes, Peter foolishly and mistakenly said yes. Jesus didn’t publicly rebuke him. Instead He told Peter to go down to the sea and catch a fish. In it’s mouth he would find the coin necessary to pay the tax. And Jesus said the only reason He told Peter to pay the tax was to keep peace and avoid an argument.



Jesus and the disciples had plenty of money. If you read the story of Jesus feeding the 5,000, you’ll see that the disciples had enough in their treasury to buy food for all 5,000. So why didn’t Jesus pay the tax out of His pocket? Why get it out of a fish’s mouth? Because He wasn’t required to pay a tax. He is the King of the universe! He’s not going to pay tribute to man!



What about you? Do you conduct business in gold and silver coin? Then you have no obligation to pay taxes to any government of man.



Are you paid in Federal Reserve Notes (what most people call dollars)? Do you have a Social Security Number? If yes, then by your own admission, you agree that you are a United States person subject to an income tax. You worship the government of man even though God said not to.



Don’t say the bible says to pay taxes when it clearly does not. You pay taxes because you contracted with man’s government to pay taxes.
anonymous
2010-02-21 15:46:16 UTC
Bible is more like a book of poetry, which speaks of good and evil in the human heart. It gives people a choice to chose what path they are willing to take. The path of goodness or evil
anonymous
2010-02-21 15:58:41 UTC
Good Lord, you are one boring dude. Do you know how chic it is to post this rambling nonsense.



All you are saying is that you don't believe ANY of it, logically :



"IF you believe what you want in the Gospel and disbelieve what you want. You believe in yourself rather than in the Gospel."

Against Faustus, 17, 3, 400 A.D. St Augustine





Is St A wrong ? You know he's right. You are one boring lemming.
can we talk?
2010-02-21 16:29:22 UTC
hi, idk if i can convince u either way but being made in the image of God ,bein his greatest creation made us his best above all his crowning achievemnt ,so much so that he invites us to be part of his family (you can refuse this if you want)anyways God created us a certain way with certain needs all on this planet (all over everywhere)fruits vegatables grains ,trees iron,gold silver even animals all these in someway play a part in our very survival everyday nd these things bein here and we needing these very things for our survival is no coincidence seeing they are here and the vry thing that they we need is what they have should give you some indication that they were placed here by God to supply what we need (not to abuse but use as necessary for our vry lives)just like if ur child needed something(if u have any)would u not try to make available to him/her or provide what they need at almost any cost ?including killing animals for food(if they needed it).nd about stealing (it is to take something tht dnt belong to you (yes robin hood was a thief (but for wht reason?was his cause a good one)nd taxes are taken up for the bettermnt of the city (supposed to be benefitin all its citizens)Jesus said to give taxes bcos its the law nd we're supposed to obey the law nd those that represent it (praying for thm tht they make good decisions bcos wht they do will affect us all (the powers kinda rep God's rankins distrributions of authority to do the jobs necessary .like enforceing law etc ;the sacrificing of issac was man..a test for all tests first you have to know tht ur not senile (going crazy lol)and also tht u truely heard the voice of God ,dang i wouldn't hav wanted to be in his shoes (but he proved tht he trusted God above all things which caused him to bcome the father of the christian faith (also the patriarch of the jewish faith though moses was the lawgiver well i hop i gav u some kinda examples tht hlp u nd may God give u the ablity to recieve him,his son nd his word ,nd bring u peace God bless
anonymous
2010-02-21 17:09:02 UTC
Yes. The Bible tells us to pay taxes and obey the laws of our government. (You don't always have to agree, but you must always respect the office of the leaders) However, saying that paying taxes=murder is silly. You are not murdering them, you are not even really causing them to be murdered. The taxpayer is removed from that final process. All of our actions have consequences whether good or bad, and if you did not hatefully will that negative outcome which is murder then you have not, in spirit, murdered.



God knows human government sucks and that man just makes a big giant mess of things. He knows it's extremely flawed. Of course, if something goes against God more directly (a lot religious people don't go to war, for example, because that would be direct murder not commanded by God) then you don't have to do it.



Yeah, Robin Hood was a thief. Your belief is good, and to be honest, God would also believe that we should all share things and that people are evil. However, this goes back to the "man sucks at ruling himself" thing. God isn't PROUD of the rich and greedy peoples hoarding everything and keeping it from others. Man wanted to be ruled by a human king and then government. We are suffering the consequences of man sucking.



"The man" you are talking about is Abraham. Yes, animal sacrifices WERE made back then, and luckily, God eliminated the need for animal sacrifices. While the animals DID have to die, we can find at least a small level of comfort in the fact that they would not have been made to suffer. (Probably not a lot of comfort to you, I guess... )



Yes, God said that he gave man dominion over the creatures. However, there are places in the Bible where it is made very obvious that God and Christ are VERY against animals being treated unfairly. A man was killed for hurting an animal in the Bible. So while man is said to be given dominion, he is supposed to be very respectful of animals. It is against God for us to hurt and abuse animals because we think we can do whatever we want to them.



Killing them for food would have to be done as painlessly and respectfully as possible. I don't think God intended us to eat meat in the huge quantities we do today. For instance, Christ basically only ate fish (and in some places in the Bible the translation "fish" is actually questionable). Daniel didn't want to eat rich foods and meats, instead he chose to have vegetables and fruit. We can also imagine that they were vegetarian in the Garden of Eden.



The Bible gives guidelines on what meats are "clean" to eat and which are unclean, so that people wouldn't go around eating everything. We are given the ones which are "safe to eat" so that people wouldn't become unhealthy (science and ancient cultures agree that the food laws actually make sense). If any of these meats were originally fine to eat, I am sure God would agree that the garbage filled carcasses of tortured clean animals we eat today would NOT be good.



It would be logical to assume that God wouldn't want us "taking control" of nature in the way that we have been. He doesn't want us DESTROYING the planet, but people do, because they are idiots.



Unfortunately, there are a lot of Christians that are right wing whack jobs (who actually don't even follow the Bible correctly anyway) who will spit at you for even saying the phrase "bad for the environment". They think it's liberals and hippies only who care about animals, the environment, starving people in other countries, and who, you know, care about things! These crazy folks have a skewed view and don't even try to apply the apparent nature of God to their beliefs.



The Bible said that Satan is the god of this world, which is to say that Satan was given permission to have influence on man, and he certainly has. Our messed up society, all the turmoil on the planet, they are the doings of man influenced by Satan. When you hear people talking about "The Return of Christ" that is when Satan would be booted off his throne. In this instance, Christ would rule.



You are one who is very concerned with the suffering of any living thing, and I have to agree. I can be the biggest bleeding heart sometimes. I can't stand thinking about all the people who are suffering, the greedy people who set up feed lots which torture animals, destroy the environment and make people sick, the government lying to people about what is good for them because they were paid to do so, crazy men with weapons of mass destruction, our destruction of forests and nature so that we can have more shopping malls, the ignorance of Americans who are more obsessed with celebrity diets and boob jobs than outside calamity. The situation is beyond hopeless. We are ruled by lies, ignorance, and destruction and nobody cares. THAT is what makes me put trust in the Bible, not run away from it. Whether one believes in God or not, putting hope in MAN to fix things is more ridiculous tha
anonymous
2010-02-21 15:46:01 UTC
It says not to become embroiled into 'Caesars' system basically .. but Jesus kicked the tax collectors aholes in the temple .. dont forget that VERY important lesson and example .. and also, one question at a time ;) ...
supertop
2010-02-21 15:45:02 UTC
I really don't care if you disagree with the Bible, but yes, Robin Hood was a thief.
tree top
2010-02-21 16:47:35 UTC
we donot live under the old law Jesus ushered in a new covenant at his death read th book of hebrews i is all there a will does not go into effect untill the one who made it is proven dead, same with your will when will it go into effect ?
?
2010-02-21 16:19:10 UTC
Should You Pay Your Taxes?

“Give everyone what you owe him: If you owe taxes, pay taxes; if revenue, then revenue; if respect, then respect; if honor, then honor.”—Romans 13:7, New International Version.

IN THE face of escalating taxation, the above advice may seem hard to swallow. However, those are the words of the apostle Paul, and they are recorded in the Bible. No doubt you respect the Bible. But you may wonder, ‘Must Christians really pay all taxes—including those some may consider unreasonable or unjust?’

Think about the admonition Jesus gave to his disciples. He knew that his Jewish countrymen bitterly resented the taxes imposed by Rome. Despite this, Jesus urged: “Pay back Caesar’s things to Caesar, but God’s things to God.” (Mark 12:17) Interestingly, Jesus advocated paying tax to the very regime that would shortly execute him.

A few years later, Paul gave the advice quoted at the outset. He urged the paying of taxes, in spite of the fact that large amounts of tax money were used to fund Rome’s military and to support the immoral and excessive life-style of the Roman emperors. Why did Paul take such an unpopular stance?

Superior Authorities

Consider the context of Paul’s words. At Romans 13:1, he wrote: “Let every soul be in subjection to the superior authorities, for there is no authority except by God; the existing authorities stand placed in their relative positions by God.” When the nation of Israel had God-fearing rulers, it was easy to view supporting the nation financially as a civic and religious duty. But did Christians have a similar responsibility when the rulers were unbelieving idol worshipers? Yes, they did! Paul’s words showed that God had granted rulers the “authority” to rule.

Governments do a great deal to maintain order. This allows Christians to carry on their various spiritual activities. (Matthew 24:14; Hebrews 10:24, 25) Paul thus said regarding the prevailing governmental authority: “It is God’s minister to you for your good.” (Romans 13:4) Paul himself took advantage of the protection the Roman government offered. For example, when he found himself the victim of a mob, he was saved by Roman soldiers. Later he appealed to the Roman judicial system so that he could continue serving as a missionary.—Acts 22:22-29; 25:11, 12.

Paul therefore gave three reasons for paying taxes. First, he spoke about the “wrath” of the governments in punishing lawbreakers. Second, he explained that a godly individual’s conscience would be adversely affected if he cheated on his taxes. Finally, he indicated that taxes are simply compensation for the services governments perform as “public servants.”—Romans 13:1-6.

Did Paul’s fellow Christians take his words to heart? Evidently so, for the second-century nominal Christian writer Justin Martyr (about 110 to 165 C.E.) said that Christians paid their taxes “more readily than all men.” Today, when governments require payments, be they time or money, Christians continue to comply willingly.—Matthew 5:41.

Of course, Christians are free to take advantage of any legal tax deductions. In some instances, they may be in a position to avail themselves of tax advantages granted to those contributing to religious organizations. Nevertheless, in obedience to God’s Word, true Christians do not engage in tax evasion. They pay their taxes, letting the authorities take full responsibility for how they use the money.

Excessive taxation is just one way in which “man has dominated man to his injury.” (Ecclesiastes 8:9) Jehovah’s Witnesses take comfort in the Bible’s promise that soon justice will prevail for all under God’s government—a government that will never burden people with unjust taxes.—Psalm 72:12, 13; Isaiah 9:7.

Then Jehovah put Abraham to a greater test. “Take, please, your son, your only son whom you so love, Isaac, and . . . offer him up as a burnt offering.” (Genesis 22:2) For Abraham, Isaac was not just any son. He was the only child of Abraham and his wife, Sarah. Isaac was the son of the promise, Abraham’s only hope that his “seed” would inherit the land of Canaan and be a blessing to many, according to God’s promise. After all, Isaac was the son whom Abraham was expected to have and who was born after a miracle from God!—Genesis 15:2-4, 7.

You can imagine how hard it must have been for Abraham to understand this command. Would Jehovah require a human sacrifice? Why would Jehovah let Abraham taste the sweet joy of having a son at the sunset of his life, only to ask him to sacrifice this same son?

Without having clear answers to these questions, Abraham promptly obeyed. It took him three days to reach the selected mountain. There he built an altar and placed firewood on top. Now came the climax of the test. Abraham took hold of the slaughtering knife, but as he was about to kill his son, Jehovah through an angel stopped him and said: “Now I do know that you are God-fearing in that you have not withheld your son, your only one, from me.”
?
2010-02-21 15:53:52 UTC
there's no explanation needed as you will still interpret it how you wish



In the scheme of things, humans kill animals, bigger animals kill smaller animals, and that is the scheme of the food chain, for all humans,animals,fish and birds, because there just isn't enough vegetation for us all to be vegetarian, ( animals included)...
anonymous
2010-02-21 15:44:47 UTC
I agree with you 100%.


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