Why can't any historic record of Jesus Christ be found?

Question

http://www.npr.org/2012/04/01/149462376/did-jesus-exist-a-historian-makes-his-case

https://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2014/12/18/did-historical-jesus-exist-the-traditional-evidence-doesnt-hold-up/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historicity_of_Jesus#Historical_reliability_of_the_Gospels

Answer 1

Why can't any historic record of Jesus Christ be found?



While I will be the first one to point out that there's little to no historical evidence for jesus, there are several good counter-points that we should acknowledge. The most important, and only one really worth mentioning, the fact that the romans had a tendency to burn religious teachings right next to historical records. However, this does not excuse them. Not entirely anyways.



What people like to forget is that, before Constantine, there were THOUSANDS of stories floating around about a magical jew in jerusalem. I would even bet my life savings the catholic church has many of these myths locked away in the deepest part of their dungeon for being 'heresy'. People also like to blame the fact that these stories don't appear for 60-90 years AFTER christ was allegedly crucified on the oral tradition of the jews at the time. Luckily for historians, the romans were not so primitive, and thus we have several records to go off of. Most notably, the fact that the alleged census that drove mary and joseph to bethlehem never occurred anywhere near year 0. It was a roman census, they WOULD have a record of it, had one occurred, so right there, along with the numerous contradictions with the 3 other accounts of his birth, there's a problem with jesus. His origins are Very shrouded, and his childhood is all but never mentioned. Not in real detail.



What people also like to forget is that Constantine compiled the NT long before the stories were ever burned. He knew exactly what was being said about the character within them, and cherrypicked what he thought were the best bits. This is why jesus, a jew being oppressed by a roman empire, speaks peace. Not because it's what his alleged daddy wants (because we all know yahweh is Not a peaceful being) but because it's what Rome wants. He preached peace in the story so the jews would follow what their savior did. And they STILL sent europe into the Dark Ages, despite this message of peace. Glad that didn't backfire.



Finally, we come to the 'sources' outside the bible who mention christ. While most of the actual stories were probably lost to fire, we do have claims of people mentioning him. Supposedly. Looking into this a bit more, we find that the person mentioned in these extrabiblical tales is undescribed and vague. It could literally refer to anyone. Not only that, but many of the historical figures who supposedly support this fairytale don't have any backstory themselves. Not one bit of evidence they were real. No family name, no house, no record. Nothing.



The only thing we can logically draw from all these facts is that the stories of christ were based on a real man, and then exploded out of proportion. And they still are. This whole 'jesus loves you' bullshit is a modern phenomenon. One our ancestors would've burned us at the stake for preaching as heresy.

Answer 2

Maybe God made some minds block so they will ask questions. But , there are people with the holy spirits can see and been have had recorded the historical event of Jesus Christ.



but some will tell you story like this which is normal:



Certainly a good reason would be that a historic Jesus never existed. It is actually because of the bible that I suspect the character of Jesus is completely fictional but symbolic. There certainly was turmoil during the writings of the books that make up the New Testament and I am not certain about the exact motivation that seems to have begun with Paul/Saul attempting to form the first churches and resembles the Mormon religion with golden plates and angels given one man the interpretation, where Paul is walking "alone" one day and has a "vision". From there it seems that Paul attempts to root this vision onto the Old Testament but puts a pagan twist on it to convert the Hebrew religion into something similar to Mithraism that was the religion of the Roman Empire at the time. It is clear that all of the writers were not reporting the "news" in terms of eyewitness events but using other written sources to create the New Testament. If Jesus was not a fictional character, I would not see the need to use so many written sources and many of the writers share the fact that they were not actually eyewitnesses to any of it. While Christians certainly believe that this take is simply the bias of atheists, the truth is that a historical figure could exist that these exaggerated, magical stories are based on meaning that even if biases were clouding the issue, the Christians have far more to lose if Jesus never existed than atheists who could still believe the stories to be exaggerated but based on a historical person. As an atheist, I would actually prefer a historical Jesus to have existed. It would certainly make things more interesting.



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While I will be the first one to point out that there's little to no historical evidence for Jesus, there are several good counter-points that we should acknowledge. The most important, and only one really worth mentioning, the fact that the Romans had a tendency to burn religious teachings right next to historical records. However, this does not excuse them. Not entirely anyways.



What people like to forget is that, before Constantine, there were THOUSANDS of stories floating around about a magical Jew in Jerusalem. I would even bet my life savings the catholic church has many of these myths locked away in the deepest part of their dungeon for being 'heresy'. People also like to blame the fact that these stories don't appear for 60-90 years AFTER Christ was allegedly crucified on the oral tradition of the Jews at the time. Luckily for historians, the Romans were not so primitive, and thus we have several records to go off of. Most notably, the fact that the alleged census that drove Mary and Joseph to Bethlehem never occurred anywhere near year 0. It was a roman census, they WOULD have a record of it, had one occurred, so right there, along with the numerous contradictions with the 3 other accounts of his birth, there's a problem with jesus. His origins are Very shrouded, and his childhood is all but never mentioned. Not in real detail.



What people also like to forget is that Constantine compiled the NT long before the stories were ever burned. He knew exactly what was being said about the character within them, and cherry picked what he thought were the best bits. This is why Jesus, a Jew being oppressed by a roman empire, speaks peace. Not because it's what his alleged daddy wants (because we all know Yahweh is Not a peaceful being) but because it's what Rome wants. He preached peace in the story so the Jews would follow what their savior did. And they STILL sent europe into the Dark Ages, despite this message of peace. Glad that didn't backfire.



Finally, we come to the 'sources' outside the bible who mention Christ. While most of the actual stories were probably lost to fire, we do have claims of people mentioning him. Supposedly. Looking into this a bit more, we find that the person mentioned in these extra biblical tales is under scribe and vague. It could literally refer to anyone. Not only that, but many of the historical figures who supposedly support this fairy tale don't have any backstory themselves. Not one bit of evidence they were real. No family name, no house, no record. Nothing.



The only thing we can logically draw from all these facts is that the stories of Christ were based on a real man, and then exploded out of proportion. And they still are. This whole 'Jesus loves you' bullshit is a modern phenomenon. One our ancestors would've burned us at the stake for preaching as heresy.

Answer 3

No historic record of Jesus can be found because he never existed. There is no evidence for his existence. The Bible cannot be relied upon as a reliable source of evidence.



Whether anyone agrees with me or not let's do a little thinking. Let's assume Jesus didn't exist and you're writing fiction about Jesus but you want people to believe he existed. The rational thing to do is set your story in the context of something real. They couldn't even achieve this. Jesus's parents lived in Nazareth. He was born in Bethlehem. This happened, we are told, because the Roman authorities were conducting a census and required people to counted in the town of their birth. The problem is no such census ever took place.



Not only is the evidence for Jesus non-existent, there is a growing body of evidence that shows be did not exist. It is claimed there is a consensus that Jesus was an historical figure. There is no such consensus. Look I to the consensus doesn't exist

Answer 4

It's amazing how little can be "found" when you don't want to find it ... (Motive?)



If you bothered to read the history ~ you would have learned that the occupying Romans dismantled, trashed and burned nearly everything in Jerusalem in 70AD.



But God's will can't be stopped ...



The many written records, including those in the Bible ARE a recognised and reliable historic record .. and it would appear you just want to remain ignorant of such well-documented data. The non-Christian Roman historian Josephus wrote of Jesus.



It would be rather baffling, don't you think, that most of the civilized world still numbers the years from Jesus Christ - if your naive view had any substance. Many billions of Christian believers since His time, and continuing now, have experienced and/or witnessed outworkings of the Holy Spirit in complete accord with the record and doctrine taught by Jesus.



When someone is outside of that experience - having never tasted of it - it's no licence to attempt to impose an opinion (based on your non-experience) on billions who know otherwise. That's as pointless as flogging the "flat-earth" belief to astronauts.

Answer 5

The main reason there is no legitimate record of Jesus is that, after the first biblical manuscript was completed in 384, Emperor Theodosius made Catholicism the offical Roman state religion, closed all the Pagan temples, and then ordered a complete purge of any historic records which would contradict the New Testament's version of Jesus' life. Emperor Theodosius knew perfectly well that the Bible was merely propaganda, originally ordered by Emperor Constantine and always intended to become the doctrine of the Roman Empire's newest official state religion. Many historians suspect, but cannot prove that Theodosius covertly ordered the arson which destroyed the Empire's Pagan records at the Library of Alexandria,



It is important to keep in mind that Catholicism is rooted in Aristotelian philosophy and a Machiavellian-style plot to unify the crumbling Roman Empire with a new, more inclusive "Universal" religion. The Roman officials who ordered and supervised the creation of the Latin Bible (325 - 384) were cunning politicians attempting to re-engineer history and secure the future of the Roman Empire. They failed, because Rome fell anyway, in 476.

Answer 6

The New Testament is historical writings of people telling about what they saw and witnessed. Just because you choose not to accept them does not mean they are not valid. Is it supposed to be remarkable that there is no extra-biblical evidence of Him, when the majority of his life was led as the son of a nobody carpenter, and his notoriety and fame was a short lived 3 years, when all of his dealings were by word and deed tot he poor and illiterate and when the "notables" of the time, scribes and priests and governement, were trying to shut Him up and de-legitimize Him to the point of execution? There is a lot in those times we don't have records of. And things that we thought were myths long ago that only recently have been uncovered. The "historians" and atheists alike had egg on their collective faces when archaeological evidence of the Hittites was found.... This argument that "the only evidence is the bible so Jesus isn't real" is nonsense. In 2000 years maybe all someone finds is a copy of Anne Franks diary and nothing else. Logically then that means Anne Frank didn't exist because her diary is just a story and we don't have any additional proof she was real? That's about what this argument sounds like... The root point is this.... Christians don't need extra biblical proof of Jesus' walk on the earth, and even if it existed, athiests would find something else to complain about, so in the end, it really is irrelevent.

Answer 7

No educated person would make the statement you just made. No one who can read in any language would ask for historical evidence of the best documented figure in history.



Its amusing that you want a historical record that does not include religion and politics. These are the 2 major research engines that history is based on. The word history is based on 2 words, his story. You will find Jesus story everywhere. Thousands of religions and philosophies are based on this story.



Jesus taught us a new religion and started building Gods Kingdom of love on earth. That's why He came.



The Bible and the thousands of books that have been based on the life of Jesus are historical record. Jesus is the best documented figure in history.



87% of historians accept the historical Jesus. The world is dated on the historic events of His life. It is 2016 years since Jesus was with us. It is far more logical to say the world is flat than to claim there is not a historical record of Jesus.

Answer 8

And I thought, oh the Atheists will finally believe.



But then, not surprisingly, there's more articles trying to disprove His existence, people taking things out of context, taking things what you say and rewording it, and thus giving it another interpretation that initially was NOT there, there is just always something wrong with these Atheists.



I realize you really can't make an Atheist believe. They have to be willing to believe by their own free will decision making. One person was right on the ball when he said that God could come down to in Atheist in person and give all the evidence in the Universe and they would still come up with excuses. The Atheist would very likely call that sight "an hallucination or vision as a result of temporary disconnect from reality". Everything they say just seems TOO convenient to be legitimate reasons.



And this article is a perfect example of what truly lies in the Atheist's heart: they don't WANT to believe.

Answer 9

I think it's because Jesus was probably just one of a number of "prophets" floating around at that time in Palestine. I think there were surely others, and they were not taken seriously by the historians and authorities of the time.



Ever hear of Sathya Sai Baba? He was an Indian mystic who died in the 90s. He wrought miracles, walked on water, made the blind see again, made prophecies that were fulfilled, healed the sick, raised the dead, and was resurrected himself. He was described as mankind's savior. Now get this: there are thousands of witnesses to his miracles. Many of them still alive so that you could question them now--not mere claims of witnesses some old book mentions.



Ask any Christian if this makes him believe the Hindu gods were real. I guarantee you they will see it as any atheist would--he's obviously a charlatan. It's easy to see when you haven't been raised and indoctrinated in the same Hindu sect that Sai Baba belonged to. But when it comes to our OWN gods, we have a huge blind spot. But which is most likely? That someone could walk on water and make the blind see, or that it is trickery carried out to fool poor gullible people who are desperate for someone to make their lives better?



I think Jesus was a composite. A real illiterate, itinerant radical rabbi who was the Sai Baba of his time, pulled a lot of tricks, possibly even with good intentions, had a certain amount of charisma, had a following, possibly preached a pacifist philosophy, and stirred up some trouble and was executed like any other trouble-maker by the Romans. He was not considered important enough for contemporary historians to take note of. But had enough of a following that his followers passed down stories about him orally, and these stories became mythologized, with other god-myths in the eastern Mediterranean informing the process of how his story grew.



It is so easy, even nowadays when we have the hard record of history, to lie, believe wrongly, for the truth to become embellished, built-up, twisted, mythologized into something unrecognizable. Why should it have been any different 2000 years ago? I think the fact that there are no extra-biblical contemporary first-hand accounts of Jesus and his claimed miracles and resurrection is very important, and says a lot. He was not that well-known, was not taken seriously, and was not believed to be important at all.

Answer 10

The Bible itself is the principal evidence that Jesus Christ is a historical person. The record in the Gospels is not a vague narrative of events at some unspecified time and in an unnamed location. It clearly states time and place in great detail. For an example, see Luke 3:1, 2, 21-23.



The first-century Jewish historian Josephus referred to the stoning of “James, the brother of Jesus who was called the Christ.” (The Jewish Antiquities, Josephus, Book XX, sec. 200) A direct and very favorable reference to Jesus, found in Book XVIII, sections 63, 64, has been challenged by some who claim that it must have been either added later or embellished by Christians; but it is acknowledged that the vocabulary and the style are basically those of Josephus, and the passage is found in all available manuscripts.



Tacitus, a Roman historian who lived during the latter part of the first century C.E., wrote: “Christus [Latin for “Christ”], from whom the name [Christian] had its origin, suffered the extreme penalty during the reign of Tiberius at the hands of one of our procurators, Pontius Pilatus.”—The Complete Works of Tacitus (New York, 1942), “The Annals,” Book 15, par. 44.

With reference to early non-Christian historical references to Jesus.



The New Encyclopædia Britannica states: “These independent accounts prove that in ancient times even the opponents of Christianity never doubted the historicity of Jesus, which was disputed for the first time and on inadequate grounds by several authors at the end of the 18th, during the 19th, and at the beginning of the 20th centuries.”—(1976), Macropædia, Vol. 10, p. 145.

Answer 11

What historical record are you expecting to find? There are some minimal references in the talmud, dated about 520 AD. There are writings of Roman and Jewish historians, after Jesus' ministry. Rome destroyed Jerusalem and the temple over a period from 70 to 135 AD, destroying everything by burning, pillaging, desecrating, and massacring millions of people. Preservation of records, such as from the temple, which by the way tried Jesus in secret, was not high on the list of what Rome wanted to do at the time. Face it, the only record we have of Jesus is the Bible and the two thousand history of how Jesus has worked supernaturally in people's lives. But that is the way God wants it in the first place - belief is a test of faith: "For without faith, it is impossible to please Him, for He that comes to God must believe that He is God and that He is a rewarder of those that diligently seek Him" (Hebrews 11:6).

Answer 12

Never heard of the New Testament? And anyone who tries to claim that the New Testament can't be used to determine historicity is profoundly ignorant of the subject matter.



BTW - This subject is a litmus test for R&S participants. Most of them talk a good game on most questions, but you can't fake this one. Anyone who claims that Jesus did not exist is flying the face of almost unanimous academic consensus, and only an almost complete ignorance of ancient Near-Eastern history and the historical-critical method can lead one to this conclusion. Well, that or lots and lots of money in book deals (but only in non-peer reviewed sources).



Here is the face of hypocrisy. People who otherwise pretend to approach the world from an objective, analytical, and scientific perspective will go off the rails into complete and utter pseudoscience on this one subject. It is actually embarrassing to watch. And as a student of history, the answers to this kind of question usually remind me that I am the only adult in the room. I have quit R&S more because of this question than any other.



It's funny - I have seen more than one educated atheist get belligerent over the accusation that atheists believe that Jesus never existed. That's because *educated* atheists understand how utterly stupid that assertion is.

Answer 13

In the Book XX of his Jewish Antiquities, first-century historian Flavius Josephus refers to the death of "James, the brother of Jesus who was called the Christ." Many scholars consider this declaration to be authentic. Also look at another book Josephus - The Complete Works, translated by William Whiston. Josephus was not a Christian author. He was a Jewish historian. But the Bible holds information on Jesus' heavenly existence and no man can cover that except for what has been written for us in God's Word the Bible. Also in God's Word the Bible is information on Jesus' earthly existence. Man has found evidence of his existence by examining the writings of Kings. Born just four years after the death of Christ, Josephus was an eyewitness to the chilling fulfillment of Jesus’ prophecy about the first-century Jewish nation. Josephus was a military commander, a diplomat, a Pharisee, and a scholar.

JW.org

Answer 14

You are dealing with a high intelligence that does not want to leave any clues of His passing through Earth; it even attempted to kill Him during His Birth, as it is recorded in Revelation, Chapter 12 (which you probably never read).



Right after His 2BC, September 11th (Tisri, the 11th, when all those celestial bodies were aligned - for only 24 hours - He was born. A NASA computer program ran the orbits of these planets and determined their junction-alignment moment for that day), and His arch enemy (the adversary = satan, in Hebrew), moved even the representative of Rome, to kill Him. You believe it would stop there? Read the Scriptures... which of course you won't do, because it is easier to 'criticize' than learn the Truth.



If you were to rob a bank, would you let a croms trail behind you? "it" did not leave any either.

Answer 15

There are no historical records of Genghis Khan's wives outside the followers of Genghis Khan. Do you think that Genghis Khan was a bachelor and had no wives?



Jesus mythicists are a pet peeve of mine; their cult-like irrationality is a hallmark of their behavior. Most mythicists rightly trust expert consensus most of the time in scholarly areas and are skeptical of minority hypotheses. When it comes to the historical Jesus, though, all of a sudden they're better than the scholarly consensus, Richard Carrier and David Fitzgerald are this generation's Copernicus, and they irrationally attack anyone who is in the majority, very similar to the zealotry of Mormon "historians" and young-earth creationists. And they cling to extremely unlikely ideas in order to avoid the most plausible explanation (a guy named Jesus existed, got himself killed, and a cult sprang up from his followers).



I wish atheists wouldn't buy into Jesus mythicism. It's atheism's equivalent of global warming deniers or flat earthers. Mythicists are in the extreme minority among real historians. While a consensus of experts doesn't mean that something is correct, it's a pretty strong indicator most of the time. Every so often a Copernicus comes along and turns the world upside down. But for every Copernicus, there are a thousand Immanuel Velikovskys. And every Velikovsky thinks that they're a Copernicus.



You want to talk about historic records? Great. Ask a historian what they consider to be historical records of historical people. Don't invent your own definition of "historical" and pretend that you're in line with historians. The argument from silence is a logical fallacy.

Answer 16

I can think of one possible reason-- perhaps there was autobiographical documentation that was destroyed in the 4th century by the Council of Nicaea because it gave credence to Arian sects. Made Jesus human and not God. There's no evidence of that, it's just something I made up. If it were true, there's a chance some scrap they missed could get discovered eventually. Personally I think the vision hypothesis being historicized for authority reasons makes more sense.

Answer 17

If there is no historic record of Jesus, How could you find his name hundreds of miles from his place of Birth in a desert of Hijaz in Quran? In fact Quran named Jesus 25 times. Muhammad only 4 times! Isn't it a historical record for you?

Answer 18

There are record accounts of his existance going back to Ancient Rome BEFORE Constantine. This is not a before the fact record because birth certificates probably did not exist 2,000 years ago and even if they did the Romans burned the temple abd as you know paper or parchment can burn to dust rather easily or turn to dust after a few hundred years unless stored in a cool dry place. So there isn't a birth certificate of Jesus's birth or death but there are a multitude of after the fact records of him INCLUDING the one from Rome which I just mentioned but don't remember unfortunately and can't cite for you but I know I've read it before but don't remember!!!!!!!!! 😩

Answer 19

Historical records of the type do not exist because records of families that were not rulers were not created so there is nothing to found. Also most people didn't read or write at that time.

Answer 20

There are two main possible explanations:

1. He never existed. You can see that believers will never accept this, even if the evidence is strong for its truth. For them, belief [they say faith] is more important than evidence or even the historical truth.

2. The record has been destroyed by "interested groups" who don't like the basic underlying message from Jesus of Nazareth. For example, Jesus taught that there is no need for a priestly class to intercede with Almighty god on behalf of believers. The ordinary people can commune with Him direct using the intermediary powers of the Holy Spirit. You can see that this theme would not commend itself to the priests set up by Emperor Constantine in Rome; nor the other Christian sects that have formed since.



But there is a sort-of historical reference.

The remaining writings of the 1st-century Romano-Jewish historian Flavius Josephus include references to Jesus and the origins of Christianity. His main work is "Antiquities of the Jews," written about AD 93: that's 25 years after the first recognized Gospel of Mark.

Josephus includes two references to the prophet Jesus in Books 18 and 20 and a reference to John the Baptist in Book 18.

But be careful. Josephus was a poodle-historian; he recorded what his Roman bosses wanted to hear. Generally, he presents Jesus as one of many so-called Messiahs. Even so, he does record the success of Christianity as a religion in Rome, in attracting followers despite initial persecution.

Of course, by AD350, Christianity had been set as the official state religion of the Empire, complete with its own priestly class, public holidays and observances, and punishments for neglecting the sacraments.

None of this proves the existence of Jesus; only that there was wide belief in his life and message from an early date.

Answer 21

I almost feel like saying what a foolish question! Because there's more archeological evidence for Jesus Christ then for anyother historical person in history.You just haven't done your research but believe what ever you read or atheist with paper stuck on their office walls say in the media.

Answer 22

Historic records are not enough, so God and/or Jesus allowed them to fade.



BUT!



If one BELIEVES in the Bible, one may certainly ask of the Father, in the Name of Jesus, that Risen Jesus be allowed to physically manifest himself again, as the Bible claims He has already done.



(And if He did it, it is obviously not WRONG for Him to do it!)



Now since Mark 18 reports a PROMISE from Jesus, that any thing asked of the Father, in the Name of Jesus WILL be given, and since the average televised sporting event has over 500 people AT the stadium or arena, there's the opportunity for Risen Jesus to put an end to all these doubts and debates.



Come on, Believers, Give it a try.



Ask of the Father, in the Name of Jesus, that Risen Jesus be allowed to physically manifest himself, before a crowd of "over five hundred".



After al:

What have you got to lose by ASKING?

Answer 23

It would seem that your questioning of Jesus Christ's historical record would also mean that you question the historicity of the Bible. The Bible itself holds the historical record of Jesus Christ as he has fulfilled all the prophecies concerning him.



To test the accuracy of the Bible do the research both in the Bible and in the secular historical records on a few topics. This may show you why you can trust the Bible.



1. History of King Nebuchadnezzar of Babylon

2. The destruction of Jerusalem in 607 B.C.E

3. The destruction of Babylon in 567 B.C,E

4. The release of the Jews from captivity under King Cyrus of the Medes and the Persians. Consult the Josephus' Jewish Antiquities Book XI

5. The prophecy by Jesus of the destruction of Jerusalem Matthew 23:37-24:3

6. The fulfillment of the prophecy: Josephus' account appears www.eyewitnesshistorycom; The Romans Destroy the Temple at Jerusalem, 70 AD: Cornfield, Gaalya ed., Josephus, The Jewish War (1982); Duruy, Victor, History of Rome vol. V (1883).

7. Also see the Josephus' account of Jesus in the Antiquities of the Jews: Josephus' Antiquities of the Jews, written around 93–94 AD (nearly 25 years after the first known Gospel, Mark, dated around 70 AD), includes two references to the biblical Jesus Christ in Books 18 and 20 and a reference to John the Baptist in Book 18.



Hope this helps.

Answer 24

There is "near universal consensus" among scholars that Jesus existed historically,

Historical reliability of the Gospels is the main one.

Passages in non-Christian works have been used to support the historicity of Jesus: two in the writings of the Jewish historian Josephus and one from the Roman historian.



Jesus never wrote anything because he was the event or the Word and he was to be witnessed and experienced.



If the Apostles made up the story, they were the most creative, clever, intelligent fantasists in history, far surpassing Shakespeare, or Dante, or Tolkien. The Bible is life-changing and enduring.



Lies are always told for some selfish advantage. What advantage did the Apostles and disciples gain from making up the stories of Jesus. They were hated, scorned, persecuted, excommunicated, imprisoned, tortured, exiled, crucified, boiled alive, roasted, beheaded, disembowelled and fed to lions—hardly a catalogue of perks.

You can read more in the link.

Answer 25

No historic record of Jesus Christ be found because the tales were written about 70-80 years after the non-events they purport to record, and the New Testament (like the OT) is 100% fiction.

Answer 26

Hi good question the bible is proving itself to be good evidence of past events as it says the rocks will cry out event that have occurred which have been preserved in rock,ice etc that help prove future reference(things have happened and confirmation , well sometimes if you've defeated an enemy and that enemy stil has the opportunity to discredit or even wipe out the evidence of your victory they will esp someone that still has control or the ability to do it while they still have a minute amount of control(get rid of any eveidence. As someone said before me the romans burned alot of things ,many times people that don't want the truth to come will either hide the evidence or get rid of it by any means necessary ,including those whom may verify it's existence but God's word wil outlast us all as it's backed up by him and the truth remains the same and will eventually come no matter how long it takes.

Answer 27

There is no credible historical account/record of the life/deeds of the character known as Jesus Christ.



At the time of my response, there were five pages worth of responses, most of them being from internet theologians/historians, and not a single individual arguing for the existence of Jesus Christ produced any information from a credible source to back up their claim.



More importantly, does it even matter if Jesus Christ existed? What difference would it make if he did?

Answer 28

Just like there was not record of other people bying on the cross

they didn't want any one to have a history of someone who

was trying to take over being the king and or for the sin

they didn't think it mattered if a sinner was not or record

however they thought Jesus was just another person in line

to die on the cross for a few sins agains the kings of that day.

Answer 29

The story of Jesus is about as beleivable as some old guy ( god ) creating a universe in seven days just so he could put humans on Earth to develop a system of worship in his honour. The truth is there is not a single word about Christ, divine or otherwise, in seculiar literature dating from the first century, thou the chritian sect was known of. This sect got their material from pagan mythology, and after turning it to their own account, put the pagans to the sword, branded their healing arts as sourcery and their gods as devils, so with gnostics. It was these semienlightened gnostics who created the christ of the gospel, but they did not intend their christ to be taken literally. They were presenting an ideal, a model to be copied, but they did not reckon with the ignorant literalists who were to follow them. These seized upon the gnostics symbolic writings and reduced them to literal and historic basis, with the humanization of their ideal, Meanwhile, the jews would have nothing to do with this new literal Christ hence their rejection of him. The Jews did not reject the scripural christ, only the literal humanization of Christ.In this they were right; christ belongs in mythology and the wiser Jews knew it. For sure, the Jews did not kill christ; they created him.



I can find no evidence to support a literal Christ, but plenty to the contrary. Surely such a great man as Jesus should have left his mark behind somewhere other than the bible ? He never had a family, so that rules out a blood lineage nor did his origins come from an established family--save a virgin mary ? So where is mary's line ? What about Jesus' second name Christ. The origins of Christ as a name came from India, from Hindu scripture and represents the Hindu God Krishna, pronounced Chrishna in Sanskrit; Chrishna or (Christ like) means enlightened one, a person who has attained purity in mind and body, a teacher of enlightentment.

Chist true or not, many of the things attributed to Chist are also in the Chrishna story.

1. his raising of jairus's daughter

2.the coming of the magi

3.the herald angels also figurein the Hindu account.

4. the raising of angashuna's daughter.



We have to consider Christ and Hindu account are linked mythology because this is the only explanation why they are so similar to each other yet the Hindu Christ is a thousand years older. if this is the case then it represents a great symbolic universal thread of truth underpinning all historical spiritual symbolism.



For me the crucifixion is pure symbolism. Consider: 1. strange that this should accidently coincide with the spring equinox, At this time the Sun hangs for three days upon the Celestian cross formed by the eliptic and the Equator ?

Answer 30

Was Jesus Christ a real, historical person?



The record in the Gospels is not a vague narrative of events at some unspecified time and in an unnamed location. It clearly states time and place in great detail. For an example, see Luke 3:1, 2, 21-23.



The first-century Jewish historian Josephus referred to the stoning of “James, the brother of Jesus who was called the Christ.” (The Jewish Antiquities, Josephus, Book XX, sec. 200) A direct and very favorable reference to Jesus, found in Book XVIII, sections 63, 64, has been challenged by some who claim that it must have been either added later or embellished by Christians; but it is acknowledged that the vocabulary and the style are basically those of Josephus, and the passage is found in all available manuscripts.



Tacitus, a Roman historian who lived during the latter part of the first century C.E., wrote: “Christus [Latin for “Christ”], from whom the name [Christian] had its origin, suffered the extreme penalty during the reign of Tiberius at the hands of one of our procurators, Pontius Pilatus.”—The Complete Works of Tacitus (New York, 1942), “The Annals,” Book 15, par. 44.



With reference to early non-Christian historical references to Jesus, The New Encyclopædia Britannica states: “These independent accounts prove that in ancient times even the opponents of Christianity never doubted the historicity of Jesus, which was disputed for the first time and on inadequate grounds by several authors at the end of the 18th, during the 19th, and at the beginning of the 20th centuries.”—(1976), Macropædia, Vol. 10, p. 145.

Answer 31

Yeah, I'm taking the word of official state historians over you. Sorry. But it's an easy decision, and you are wrong on many accounts. The Holy Bible is officially categorized as historical documentation...



Even the society of official state historians conclude that Jesus (a) lived and (b) was crucified. Official state historians count The Holy Bible as valid historical record.



“In modern scholarship, the baptism of Jesus and his crucifixion are considered to be two historically certain facts about Jesus.”



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crucifixion_of_Jesus



“Virtually all modern scholars of antiquity agree that Jesus existed historically, and historians consider the Synoptic Gospels (Matthew, Mark and Luke) to be the best sources for investigating the historical Jesus. Most scholars agree that Jesus was a Galilean, Jewish rabbi who preached his message orally, was baptized by John the Baptist, and was crucified by the order of the Roman Prefect Pontius Pilate.”



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesus



@ Btw, all the above sources listed on Wiki are top level publishing houses. For example, the quote listed above is sourced at Yale University Press.

Answer 32

Fμck Jesus. He's unbr00tul.

Answer 33

There was never any historical Jesus. All of his life is shrouded in myths and lies. All of his life accounts (more than half of which is still missing) are from those people who lived many decades after the supposed time period of Jesus.



And lastly, many Christians may accuse non-Christian scholars of bias but isn't the same true for Christians as well? If even in this day and age when information is available to us 24x7 and general level of intelligence is much higher than what it was in 1st century Judea, many Christians try to promote the flat-earth idea, idea of creationism, earth and universe being 6000 years old and many other nonsensical stories then what makes you people think that that they were not doing the same in 1st century?

Answer 34

"Why can't any historic record of Jesus Christ be found?"



The mythical jesus creature never existed.



Two millennia have passed, millions of christers have tried proving his existence. Their result is always the same: EPIC FAIL



Maybe his NON EXISTNECE has something to do with that. Ya think??

Answer 35

Some of the answers here are really quite pathetic.



"There is no eviddence because the Romans destroyed all of it" please, even if they razed the whole of Jarusalem to the ground destroying literally all evidence outside of the bible is almost impossible. Unless of course there was none to begin with. If the Romans took such great care to erase Jesus Crist from history how come they didn't do the same for any of the other countless enemies of the empire. In fact they tried quite a few times and every time it failed and evidence remained.



"There is evidence in the bible" The bible can't be used to confirm the bible that is just stupid. Then you can just as well say that Harry Potter is evidence that Voldemort exists.



"Well i guess god didn't want to leave any evidence" And yet he wants us to believe that Jesus Christ existed. Is god an idiot?



Why all those stupid excuses just to avoid the simple and strait forward answer that there is no evidence because he probably never existed.

Answer 36

Why would there be contemporary records? He was not perceived as important during his lifetime, except as a potential troublemaker.



He was a peasant or working class individual in a backwater of the Roman Empire. How many Jewish individuals of that class do we have clear records of? Few, if any. Jesus died a criminal, as did a variety of would-be Messiahs. He seems to have had a few hundred followers during his lifetime -- Acts1:15 has Peter addressing "the believers (a group numbering about a hundred and twenty)" -- after Jesus ascension. His public life/ministry was brief, taking place over a maximum of three years.



His importance to the Romans, and to his own people, lay in the growing prominence, *after his death*, of the movement he had founded.



Please note: the Essenes were one of the major Jewish SECTS of First Century Judea, along with the Pharisees, Sadducees and Zealots. Yet only a few brief references to them had been known to historians (fewer than the later extra-Biblical references to the early Christian movement), at least until the 20th C. discovery of the Dead Sea scrolls, the relationship of which to the Essenes is disputed. An entire sect of Jews was barely mentioned by Roman historians (Pliny and Philo), with somewhat more detailed info from the Romano-Jewish Josephus. So it is hardly surprising that truly contemporary extra-Biblical records of Jesus are lacking, or that the subsequent records talk more of the Christians or Nazarenes, rather than Jesus himself.



I am assuming, btw, that you are familiar with Josephus mention of Jesus, and reject it as purely a late interpolation by Christians. The authenticity is, admittedly, disputed.



There are no contemporary extra-scriptural records of Buddha or Zoroaster or Mohammad, either, and the posthumous attestations for the first two seem to be even sketchier than for Jesus.

Answer 37

False premise. There are historical records.



You can't wave off the Bible bookS. They are historical evidence. Since the various New Testament books were written by different people to different people, there is more than one source.



Josephus is another historical record. One reference to Jesus by Josephus is believed by some to be a forgery. The other reference in not questioned.



Other historical records of Jesus include Tacitus, Pliny, Mishnah, Lucian, Babylonian Talmud, and more.



We could go on but that is more than enough to demonstrate that your premise (ie no historical records for Jesus) is false.



I hope that helps you get started in your historical study.

Have a nice day.



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Your first source listed says there is historical evidence for Jesus! He rightly concludes that Paul's letters are historical evidence that Jesus existed. Read the book.



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Your second source lists historical evidence including the letter's of Paul. He concludes that Jesus was a phenomenon, not a person. But in doing so he lists historical evidence. I would say Paul's letters date too close to the events to create a myth around a non-existent person.



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Your third source lists historical evidence and states that the myth theory is rejected almost universally by scholars.



You take these three sources (which cite historical evidence) and conclude that there is none. Strange.

Answer 38

What a silly Statement/Question, the historic records are vast! I think you meant proofs of Jesus Christ, Not Historic records.

Answer 39

This is where Christians become dishonest and will lie to you and others. There is no such thing as a "Historic Jesus".



The evidence to support the existence of Jesus Christ is 100% aligned with the evidence that supports the existence of Jedi Knights.



Jesus is to be taken on faith, this is actually a foundational concept in the Bible. Looking through these posts we can easily identify the real Christians from the fakes.

Answer 40

Josephus was a Jewish man who was a Roman historian and was alive about the time of Jesus. He writes about Jesus from a purely historical viewpoint and is definitely a non Christian who documents that Jesus was a real person and was alive at the time the Bible tells us Jesus was alive in a physical body on Earth. I was a non Catholic at the time and was in a Catholic Church because a friend had asked me to go with him. I was not going to go up to take Communion because I was a Protestant and knew that the rules of the Catholic Church were and are that only Catholics in a state of Grace may take Communion and I didn't want to offend anyone. As I was waiting and standing by my Pew, 3 times I felt a warm caring masculine Presence and words came into my mind that said, Al, would you refuse me?" This experience scared me a lot so it took 3 times before I would go up to take Communion. Later, I worked as a Registered Nurse and worked on psychiatric units in hospitals for 20 years, so I know all of the signs and symptoms of mental illness and I had none at the time the words came into my mind so I believe it was a genuine experience of Jesus talking to me. The reason I say this is because my experience was a documented (to me) EXPERIENCE OF THE REALITY OF JESUS. I hope this is helpful in some way to any one who reads the Bible to Know that Jesus was and is as Real as Real can be. Of course that also confirmed to me that the prayed over host in the Catholic Church is really Jesus in what way I don't know how.

Answer 41

Jesus was known only in a small religious circle unknown to the rest of the Roman Empire.

Then the whole story was exaggerated and, just by chance, Christianity became what it is now.

A little like an unknown to the media catholic monk today that would become a saint in few hundred years.



I may not believe in the divinity of Jesus but I still believe he existed as a man.

Answer 42

There is a huge difference between thinking that a historical Jesus existed and thinking that he did all the magic tricks attributed to him.



Jesus meets historians' standards of historicity; his magical miracles do not. Why is it so difficult for you to believe that there was an itinerant rabbi name Yeshua who got himself killed after running afoul of Roman sedition law? Is that so implausible that you just can't wrap your mind around it? It happened a lot. What's so difficult about that for you to believe?



Do you even know how historians establish historicity? Are you aware that historians who follow the "Jesus myth" conspiracy theory are in the extreme minority (much like scientists who don't believe in global warming, or biologists who don't believe in evolution)?

Answer 43

there are quite a few. One example:



The (Pagan) Roman historian and senator Tacitus referred to Jesus Christ, His execution by Pontius Pilate and the persecution of early Christians in Rome in his 109 AD work, "The Annals,"



"Consequently, to get rid of the report (that Nero started the great fire of Rome), Nero fastened the guilt and inflicted the most exquisite tortures on a class hated for their abominations, called Christians by the populace. Christus, from whom the name had its origin, suffered the extreme penalty during the reign of Tiberius at the hands of one of our procurators, Pontius Pilatus, and a most mischievous superstition, thus checked for the moment, again broke out not only in Judaea, the first source of the evil, but even in Rome, where all things hideous and shameful from every part of the world find their centre and become popular. Accordingly, an arrest was first made of all who pleaded guilty; then, upon their information, an immense multitude was convicted, not so much of the crime of firing the city, as of hatred against mankind. Mockery of every sort was added to their deaths. Covered with the skins of beasts, they were torn by dogs and perished, or were nailed to crosses, or were doomed to the flames and burnt, to serve as a nightly illumination, when daylight had expired."



Book 15, chapter 44 of "The Annals" by Tacitus, translated by Alfred John Church and William Jackson Brodribb http://classics.mit.edu/Tacitus/annals.11.xv.html



A final few words: The noted historian Will Durant wrote: “That a few simple men should in one generation have invented so powerful and appealing a personality, so lofty an ethic and so inspiring a vision of human brotherhood, would be a miracle far more incredible than any recorded in the Gospels.”



See also Magis Online Encyclopedia of Reason and Faith (Why Believe in Jesus?) http://magischristwiki.org/index.php?title=Why_Believe_in_Jesus%3F#Is_There_Historical_Evidence_for_Jesus.3F



With love in Christ

Answer 44

There are actually references to Jesus by Josephus which Im sure some will have added on here. If you have put down what you feel is the leader of an uprising, are you likely then to put anything in writing about him ? Most nations only record their triumphs.



But you only have to look at the thousands of disciples willing to die for their faith in Jesus. Why would any one give up their life for someone who did not exist? How did so many disciples increase so quickly until they were a threat to the roman rule and were executed?



Until recently people doubted Pontius Pilate existed yet evidence that he did have the position stated in the Bible came to light in ancient writings.

Answer 45

Paul was the first to write of any jesus and said jesus was a 14 year hallucination. Greeks later wrote down the stories that circulated about a mangod in Israel, about 100 years previously, and the Romans wrote their version (Luke) about 200 years after Paul - and many others wrote 'gospels about jesus, but most gospels were so silly they didn't make it into the canonized versions.

One catholic priest wrote that the story of jesus is profitable to them - as in money. It was profitable to Paul, for sure.

Answer 46

What's today's date? Specifically the year? Sure. Sure. You have already gotten into your normal mode of "but that's not it!" But think for a moment? Do dates of any western calendar have a major divide around a certain time (and person)? You mentioned Mohammad. Do western calendars center around him? Sure there are other calendars. Mayan, Hebrew, etc but the western calendar is used on your birth certificate (and mine). There has been PROOF galore down through history of Yeshua's presence on Earth. Enough proof that your calendar (and mine) has been set on edge. The key isn't whether HE was here or not. They key is "who do you say that HE is?"



You see...



iamnotbut.....I do know [the Great] I AM. And I'd love to introduce HIM to you. You count it strange...so once did I....before I met my Savior.

Answer 47

It is not hard to realize Jesus to be the atypical character of suffering of mankind in general from the beginning to then. There was no Jesus in particular. But there was the creation of this general character able to express the suffering and ignorance behind it all. And that is what started our Christian religion. Many humans were being killed in just as nonsensical manners back then and that had been going on for thousands of years. Finally it found a way to express itself because it digs deep into the discontent we all suffer growing up much less what has been handed down to us over the thousands of generations.

Answer 48

One bit of evidence is how many of the First Century Christians (including the Apostles) suffered and even were killed rather than deny their teaching.



Many of these would have been eye witnesses of Christ. Surely if Christ had not existed they would admit it to save their own life. One might suffer if he truly believed something, but if he knew the things were false, why suffer for it?



Also, in the First Century there were many opponents of Christianity. If there was no Jesus Christ, why didn't they point that out? That would have been the easiest way to battle against this movement. On the contrary, many opponents mentioned that Christ did exist.



Secondly, many historic records do not mention Christ because he was not a major Roman or Egyptian political figure. Roman historians primarily recorded Roman history.



For example, many American History books will not mention Billy Graham because he is not a major figure in American politics. Does that mean he does not exist? It does not mean that at all!



Likewise, many Roman historical documents did not mention Jesus Christ because he was not a Roman leader, but some Roman historians did mention Him. (I'll discuss that more later.)



Finally, I do not normally just cut and paste answers, but here is an article that addresses the question. There is much more evidence that Jesus did indeed exist as a real historical figure on earth, but I hope you will consider this (especially what some enemies of Christianity said).



Tacitus called followers of Christ "notoriously depraved", but he mentioned Jesus Christ as a historical figure! If Jesus did not exist, surely such an enemy of the faith would have pointed that out!



Anyway, here is the article. I hope you will consider it:



Can We Prove Jesus Was a Real Person?



by Eric Lyons, M.Min.



You may find this surprising, but there are many people in the world today who actually think that Jesus is nothing more than a fantasy figure that various secret societies created 2,000 years ago. Allegedly, His name belongs in the same fictional writings that contain such fairy-tale characters as Peter Pan, Hercules, and Snow White and the seven dwarfs. Gerald Massey, in his book, Gnostic and Historic Christianity, has “informed” us that “[w]hether considered as the God made human, or as man made divine, this character [Jesus—EL] never existed as a person” (1985, p. 22). Skeptics like Massey, Acharya (1999), and others believe that Christians have been deceived into thinking that there really was a man named Jesus, when, in fact, He never lived.



How do those of us who believe in the historicity of Jesus Christ respond to such allegations? Can we really know that there was a sinless, miracle-working, death-defying man named Jesus who lived upon the Earth approximately 2,000 years ago, or have we accepted His existence blindly?



Even though the New Testament proves beyond the shadow of a doubt that Jesus actually lived, it is by no means the only historical evidence available. Around the year A.D. 94, a Jewish historian by the name of Josephus mentioned Jesus’ name twice in his book, Antiquities of the Jews. In section 18 of that work, Josephus wrote: “And there arose about this time Jesus, a wise man, if indeed we should call him a man; for he was a doer of marvelous deeds, a teacher of men who receive the truth with pleasure” (emp. added). Then, in section 20, Josephus documented how a man named Ananus brought before the Sanhedrin “a man named James, the brother of Jesus who was called the Christ, and certain others” (emp. added).



About 20 years later, Tacitus, a Roman historian, wrote a book surveying the history of Rome. In it he described how Nero (the Roman emperor) “punished with every refinement the notoriously depraved Christians (as they were popularly called).” He went on to write that “their originator, Christ, had been executed in Tiberius’ reign by the governor of Judea, Pontius Pilatus” (Annals 15:44, emp. added). Even though Tacitus, Josephus, and other historians from the first and second centuries A.D. were not followers of Christ, they did have something to say about Him—and they even verified that Jesus was a real person Who was so famous that He even attracted the attention of the Roman emperor himself!



Another obvious reason to believe that Jesus was a real person is because our entire dating method is based upon His existence. The letters “B.C.” stand for “before Christ,” and the letters “A.D.” (standing for Anno Domini) mean “in the year of the Lord.” So when a history teacher speaks of Alexander the Great ruling much of the world in 330 B.C., he or she is admitting that Alexander lived about 330 years before Jesus was born.



Even though this is only a sampling of the evidence relating to the man known as Jesus, it is enough to prove that He was a real person, and not just some imaginary character. We do not accept His existence blindly—it is a historical fact!

Answer 49

Josephus wrote of Jesus

Pontius Pilot wrote of Jesus

Jesus' disciples wrote of Him

Jesus' half brother James wrote of Jesus.



My friend, the Bible is the most contested book ever written and it has stood the test of time.



Try Jeremiah 33:3 "Call unto Me and I will answer thee and show thee great and mighty things which thou knowest not." Jesus showed me an angel. A huge glistening white light ball of fire angel. More mysterious and more powerful than anything I've ever seen in my lifetime. It frightened me so badly that I had to go back inside. Yet, the voice of the Lord told me to "Get up and see the wonders of God."



You need to seek the Lord with all your heart and maybe He will answer you and show you great and mighty things which you know nothing about. There is more to the unseen than you can possibly imagine.

Answer 50

No historical records of small town carpenters were posted on Facebook that year...that's like saying why does no historical record of James Smith exist? Until the fall of Rome Jesus was "just another guy" with a message.

Answer 51

If you mean by that we don't have his mortal remains the reason is because he rose from the dead but as far as normal evidence (nobody has Plato's or Julius Caesars remains) there is more evidence for Jesus than almost any other historical figure. FAIL!

Answer 52

Jesus Christ is not his real name. That is the name the Vatican gave him less than 600 years ago. His name is Yahshua and his last name isn't Christ. He is the promised HaMashiach or Messiah. He shows himself or makes himself known to people daily who call upon him in need of mercy or call upon him in faith. He is not just a historical person. He is a right now reality to his people who praise him.

Answer 53

There is is called the bible. It was in the past and people recorded his encounters. That's a historic record..... just because you think they were spitting bs about him doesn't change that its still a historic record. Like just because Alexander the great had bs spit about him doesn't mean you just discredit all the people writing about him.

Answer 54

Many people would love to believe this is the case for their own personal reasons, but it isn't. You can look up references to Jesus in the writings of Tacitus, Josephus, Pliny, Lucian, the Babylonian Talmud which discussed plans to kill Jesus by certain means until the Romans took over and did so their way.

Answer 55

It's reckoned Apostle peter, Paul died around 50-60 ad. They never mention the destruction of the temple in 70 ad by the romans in their letters which is strange bcoz they most likely would have as it was something jesus said would happen. However this is still not strong evidence of his existance, but yet god has his way of wanting faith in him Alone

Answer 56

Why aren't the works of Josephus considered historical record?

Answer 57

Their is much physical evidence that proves Jesus and the bible. For instance they found Noah's ark. Also Jesus was in Greek and Roman records, for he caused civil unrest and Rome feared a rebellion and dealt with it

Answer 58

I have a feeling you're just trying to pick an argument with Christians, but here's an article that looks at both sides of the argument. http://www.biblicalarchaeology.org/daily/people-cultures-in-the-bible/jesus-historical-jesus/did-jesus-exist/

Answer 59

There is absolutely NO contemporary mention of Jesus. The earliest writings that mention him was written 5 decades after his death. In fact, on paper, there is no evidence that he ever existed. Herewith a few thoughts:



1. The famous historian Josephus allegedly mentioned Jesus in some random, out of context passages in his book on the History of the Jews (+-93 AD), but it was added in afterwards in a different handwriting and writing style and his original copy conveniently disappeared. In fact, the text is about James, brother of Jesus and Jesus gets mentioned in not much more than parenthesis.



2. One of the most learned men of the time, Pliny the Young, also never mentions him, which either means that he didn't exist or he was so insignificant that no-one bothered recording him.



3. Every supernatural trait given to Jesus were from Ancient myths (religions) the Greek (Attis, Dionysus, Hercules), Egyptian (Horus), Krishna (Indian), Mithra (Persian) and Roman Gods (Apollo).



4. Maybe the most telling evidence that Jesus was NOT 'the son of God' or a superman or deity, is the fact that he was illiterate. Would God have sent someone that couldn't master the art of writing to save his 'chosen people'?

And yes, he was illiterate, otherwise we would have found plenty of copies of the 'Gospel of Yeshua'. And if you believe Jesus IS God, it makes the claim even more absurd. Why would the creator of the entire Universe not know how to write - especially since he popped his hand in at a temple once and started scribbling on the wall himself...



5. You only have to study the Bible in the context of its time (a bronze age book, written for bronze age people who were trying to make sense of the crazy world they were living in) to see that almost the WHOLE book is figurative. Why would Noah, Moses and Esther be fictional characters and Yeshua the Essene not?



6. In fact, the ONLY 'evidence' of the man Jesus' existence, is the ironic fact that so many lies were made up to make him fit into his time (the census that never happened, the absurd kind character imposed on Pilate (he was an unusually cruel Prefect and would have had 'Jesus the troublemaker' killed immediately and not bothered with trading his life for the fictional Barabas) etc. etc.



The man Yeshua the Essene / Jesus of Nazareth probably existed, but he has disappeared under a cloud of superstitious, supernatural airy-fairyness, trying to make him fit into the role of the 'son of god' (as anyone who was baptised were called back in the day. Even Apollo, the Caesars etc ).



I personally think that it would be the saddest discovery in history if we find out Jesus DIDN'T even exist, because then millions of people who were brutally murdered, electrocuted, hanged, burned and beheaded in his name, would have died for nothing more than a fictional Marvel Comic Book Hero.

Answer 60

Actually, the Roman historian Tacitus observes how the first generation of Christians believe that Jesus was crucified. So, there's that. I would imagine that most records were destroyed during the Judeo rebellion...

Answer 61

Because Jesus was not an actual person as described in the NT fictional story. He was a Roman invented composite character. Believer who read the bible believe that the Christians were persecuted and that is fictional also. The NT story was and attempt by the Romans to destroy Judaism because the Judeans would not accept the first book of Mark titled ur Marcus, and that is why the Romans destroyed the temple and Jerusalem in 70CE. Believers also do not know who was the man using the name Josephus. He was a Roman aristocrat related to Roman royalty; Vespasian for one and Vespasian's brother. If one reads the NT along side of the works of Josephus a light will come on in his head, and if a believer he will know if he is honest that he was fooled.

Answer 62

One of your three references states:

"Almost all scholars of antiquity agree that Jesus existed,[54][55][56][57] but scholars differ on the historicity of specific episodes described in the Biblical accounts of Jesus.[2]:181 The only two events subject to "almost universal assent" are that Jesus was baptized by John the Baptist and was crucified by the order of the Roman Prefect Pontius Pilate.[13][58][59] "

...and the other two references you cite also state that Jesus lived, including Bart Ehrman, the minion.



If experts agree Jesus lived and left enough historical evidence to satisfy such astute atheists, why do you not believe them?

Answer 63

I'm not sure if you've ever heard of this tiny book that is, by far, the best, most selling book of history called the Bible? It IS history, that is, His story. The Bible is made up of the Old Testament which covers history from creation about 4000 years before Jesus Christ came on the planet & the New Testament which covers the time within 70 years after Christ's death & resurrection. Jesus is clearly pointed out in & throughout the New Testament as well as His coming foretold in numerous places in the Old Testament. Many vocations including architecture use Biblical accounts as curriculum for their work & study. Cities & places pay great tribute to the person of Jesus Christ. We worship His coming to earth in the form of a babe around 2000 years ago in a small, yet world-wide holiday called Christmas. Our time itself (A.D. - which means after death or Ano Domino {in the year of the Lord}) is designed around His time here on earth. There is some archeological evidence to identify Jesus time on earth in the whole Jerusalem region as well as places He stayed & numerous other places other prophets such as Elijah, Moses, Nathan, Micah or Abraham sojourned in the land. Recently, a find of the actual mountain where Moses lead Israel out of Egypt & where he tended flocks of sheep in Arabia called Mt. Sinai was located with numerous points of reference identified on the mountain giving great evidence of the Biblical historical account. There are numerous other examples I could give to provide to you evidence of Jesus time on earth but I really think some like yourself are simply trying to create a way to not believe. Why is that? Why do you not want to believe? Why does most of the world not believe in Him or have a regard for Him? The world does not believe but you don't have to follow the world. The Bible says it is given man once to die & then comes the judgment (Heb. 9:27-28). Why not get to know this God better by spending some time in the Bible & around some Christians instead of hovering around on the internet conjuring up doubts? There are far more reasons to believe than to not. Let me remind you that:



1) God loves you (we don't initially love Him) & has a wonderful plan for your life

(1 John 4:9, 10, John 10:10, Jeremiah 29:11)

2) Man is sinful & separated from God & cannot experience His love & forgiveness

(Romans 3:23, 6:23, James 3:2)

3) Jesus died as a substitute for all our sins

(1 Peter 3:18, Acts 4:12, 1 John 1:9)

4) YOU can know this Jesus personally as your Lord & Saviour by responding to His

invitation to be in your life

(Rev. 3:20, John 1:12, Hebrews 11:1,6)



If this is a genuine question & not just an argument for trying to not take God seriously, I hope you do read these verses & truly consider why you are creating the doubt you are. Hope this helps but it is your choice.

Answer 64

cos they dont exist



that often referred to "josephus" only wrote down stories from other people (christians) and had no 1st hand or 2nd hand actual knowledge of jesus. By the time he even started writing about jesus the "miracles" of jesus's life had already been enshrined in christian beliefs



From wikipedia

"The general scholarly view is that while the Testimonium Flavianum is most likely not authentic in its entirety, it is broadly agreed upon that it originally consisted of an authentic nucleus, which was then subject to Christian expansion/alteration"



problem is- nobody knows where the "authentic" ends and the "expansion/alteration" takes over



the often referred to tacitus also being well know as writing down stories an claiming them as fact (and was not above a bit of plagiarism)



(remarkable aint it- loads of documents burned and lost, but a bible written a MINIMUM of 70 years after the supposed events manages to tell a "true" story after severe "editing" by the catholic church 1000 years later



Its also a bit stupid basing a claim "jesus" existed but the documents could have been destroyed, cos that presumes the documents existed in the 1st place)

Answer 65

There is a historic record of Christ's and his disciples, held by the vatican. There is a record of his court proceedings with pontius pilate and everything up to his crucifixion but the vatican refuses to release it.

Answer 66

"Why can't any historic record of Jesus Christ be found? The answer seems straight-forward enough... such records cannot be found because such records do not exist, and the reason such records do not exist is because the Biblical "Jesus Christ" did not exist.

Answer 67

Last year, I was in a class called World History AP. I forgot the exact name of the book, but the company (or the author if I'm not mistaken) is called Bulliet. Jesus is in that book.

Answer 68

There is records that show there was a man called jesus in the time we believe jesus was born who follows the same start in life eg birth place as in the town not the inn there is no record on that

Answer 69

There are the Dead Sea Scrolls found by a shepherd boy in a cave (I think they were found about 50 or 60 years ago) that were written back about 2,000 years ago which cover the times of Jesus. The interesting thing is they were basically the basis for the Bible and show Jesus wasn't so miraculous as the Bible says. He preached love and caring for other people and many of the things said in the Bible basically happened but apparently some things were altered by the Catholic church in the 13th century to make him look much more magical and miraculous than he really may have been to make Catholic church goers embrace the word of the Church and to fear straying from the Church. Uneducated people of the time accepted whatever the church told them and were fearful of the wrath of the church.

Apparently some of the discrepancies are things like the church tends to hide the fact Jesus's mother was only 13y/o when she had Jesus. She was arranged to marry Joseph a much older man as still happens in the Middle East and it is believed he had sex with her before they married which was quite illegal back then. The penalty for sex before marriage for the female was stoning to death so she could not admit Joseph had sex with her at the time so she claimed the pregnancy was a spontaneous thing and she was actually a virgin.

Then there is the supposed miracle of Jesus walking on the water to calm the fishermen caught in the storm, but according to the Dead Sea Scrolls Jesus walked by the water calling out to them to be calm and they would be OK. So it appears as so Jesus walked along the shore calling out to them to stay calm which is not quite as miraculous as the Church claims.

Then there is the crucifixion of Christ where the Dead sea scrolls say just before Jesus was put up on the cross a follower gave him a drink which according to the Dead Sea Scrolls was laced with a herbal extract that causes a person to fall unconscious. Jesus was only on the cross for a few hours before he appeared to be dead whereas normally it took 2 or 3 days for people to die from crucifixion. A group of his followers hung around waiting until he appeared dead and convinced the guard to allow them to take his body away. I think the guard actually prodded him with a spear and as Jesus was unconscious he did not flinch and appeared dead. They were allowed to take Jesus away and hid his body in a cave until he recovered from the potion 3 days later. From then on he disappeared from history and I would say he was a mortal man who realized to stay alive he could not carry on as he did in his previous life as he would certainly be put to death if he was seen to be still alive.

So there are historical records from his time that tell of Jesus's life and you can look up Dead Sea Scrolls on the internet and you will see they are real.

Answer 70

A certain Jewish historian by the name of Josephus gives an account of a Jewish rabbi being crucified.

It is no wonder that proper recordings of Jesus cannot be found because no one thought that this man would have such a great impact on the religion of our world.

Answer 71

both the nation of isreal and Vatican city and more than likely Italy have records of his life isreal because he was born and and lived there Italy would have these records because isreal was a roman state at the time and Italy was the capital state of rome everything that went through the empire went directly to the emperor in rome and the Vatican has such documents among others thorugh church going back to middle eastern cities that jesus lived in to get copies so at least 3 nations on the planet have documented evidence of his life but it still is not enough???

Answer 72

Because he is fictitious entity made up by jewish people in order to blind us to the truth. He's not real and never will be, christianity is a hoax on humanity just like islam is.



Joyofsatan.org

Exposingchristianity.com

Exposingcommunism.com

Answer 73

There is a very famous one. It is the worlds best selling book for all time.



Its called the Holy Bible



And its Author is above reproach.



>>>>By claiming the Bible is a historical record means that Koran is a historical account of Mohammed; which is simply not true. They are spiritual scripture.<<<<



Thats a personal values assessment - not verifiable fact. You're wasting your time.

Answer 74

Jesus Christ is the truth. Jesus loves you. Read Romans chapter 5 and 8. Read John chapter 1 and 3. Get a king James bible and believe. The bible is most trusted record on the planet. You live in year of our Lord 2016! Most well known event in history!

https://youtu.be/AOhwyutHZzQ

Jesus loves you. Get a king James bible and believe. Jesus Christ is the Living God!

"But if from thence thou shalt seek the LORD thy God, thou shalt find [him], if thou seek him with all thy heart and with all thy soul."- the Word of God.

https://youtu.be/NvvClFSMIzA Here more testimony, 6000 plus years of testimony. You just don't want to believe it! Jesus Christ is the truth. Jesus loves you. Read John chapter 3. Testimony all through history, written for all to read as well. You can go to any bookstore and get it! All is as written! Jesus Christ is the Living God!

Answer 75

There is more than sufficient evidence from numerous sources that Jesus actually existed. However, there is absolutely no proof or evidence of his deeds or words, as the earliest written reference to Jesus was written 50 years after his death. All sayings attributable to Jesus are 3rd party hearsay

Answer 76

http://www.biblicalarchaeology.org/daily/people-cultures-in-the-bible/jesus-historical-jesus/did-jesus-exist/



STUDY THE BIBLE AND DO WHAT IT SAYS

I am the LORD, and there is none else, there is no God beside me: I girded thee, though thou hast not known me: That they may know from the rising of the sun, and from the west, that there is none beside me. I am the LORD, and there is none else. I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil (trouble): I the LORD do all these things. Isaiah 45:5-7

Remember this, keep it in mind, take it to heart, you rebels. Remember the former things, those of long ago; I am God, and there is no other; I am God, and there is none like me. I make known the end from the beginning, from ancient times, what is still to come. I say, ‘My purpose will stand, and I will do all that I please. 46:6-10

John 14:29 And now I have told you before it comes, that when it does come to pass, you may believe

Jer 10:10 But the LORD is the true God, he is the living God, and an everlasting king: at his wrath the earth shall tremble, and the nations shall not be able to abide his indignation.



Jhn 17:3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.



1Jo 5:20 And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.



http://www.bibleprobe.com/over-300-prophecies.pdf



Pray the following

Dear Lord,

I admit that I am a sinner. I have done many things that don’t please you. I have lived my life for myself. I am sorry and I repent. I ask you to forgive me. I believe that you died on the cross for me, to save me. You did what I could not do for myself. I come to you now and ask you to take control of my life, I give it to you. Help me to live every day in a way that pleases you. I love you, Lord, and I thank you that I will spend all eternity with you. Amen

Answer 77

Read Josephus, history of Jewish People written about time romans destroyed Temple and shortly after. Jesus is mentioned there. Couple other roman writers have notes on Jesus and troubles of the time of Crucifiction

Answer 78

history book is written to record wars and politicians and their moves.

religious texts are written to record the teachings of the masters.

science books are written to record the scientific discoveries of scientists.

therefore, it makes no sense to me that one should look for Jesus of Nazareth in a history book ... hehe

neither can you find einstein in a religious text or history book.



holy bible is more than a mere 'religious text' because no other book under heaven has the ...

10 commandments ... given by God to moses in person !



thus, there is no book under heaven that is on par w HOLY scripture ... fact.

Answer 79

A genuine record can't to produced for any myth of the world.

Answer 80

After rereading most of the answers I would like to say that we are left with a beautiful legend if he isn't found. why worry about the root, let's just enjoy the fruit.

Answer 81

Sure, the evidence is so weak, yet the majority of historians, people whose profession it is to judge these things, accept that Jesus of Nazareth existed. How does that make sense? The only sense I can make of it would be to trust the professionals over some random anonymous guy on Y!A.



"Just because you posted anonymous on YA doesn't mean what you say isn't valid. Don't be so hard on yourself guy. I gave you a thumbs up to help your self esteem."



Thank you for explaining why your position is correct and the majority of historians are wrong. Oh, wait, you didn't even try to do that. My bad. Never mind.



"You know they don't actually agree on anything about "Jesus" historical existence,"

- False. The majority agree on at least His baptism and execution.

Answer 82

God has given us proof of Jesus. You must see that the proof is there but is not what one might expect.



Well, let us first see that the Bible is a book of truth.



Number 1: Are the Jews are real people? If you answer, "Yes", then move to question #2.



Number 2: Why the Jews are called "Jews"? If you don't know, look to the Bible where the Jews are called Jews because they descended from the tribe of Judah.

Genesis 29:35 She conceived again, and when she gave birth to a son she said, “This time I will praise the LORD.” So she named him Judah. Then she stopped having children. NIV

Look and see if there is any other answer. There isn't any acceptable answer for the truth is accepted by the world.



Number 3: Now that the Jews are real people and they are in the Bible, ask yourself why Jews don't take Jesus as Lord and Savior and why they don't believe Jesus is the Messiah?



If you don't know, the answer is that the Jews holy text, the Tanakh/Old Testament was written before the coming of Jesus. This helps provide proof that the whole Bible (Old Testament/New Testament) were not written at the same time.



Now if we know that the Old Testament and the New Testament were not written at the same time, then the prophecies and foreshadowings of the Old Testament could not have been made up. Rather, they were made in advance and fulfilled later on. The fulfilled prophecies and foreshadowings are THE ULTIMATE PROOF of GOD.



What are some prophecies and foreshadowings given by God in the Tanakh/Old Testament that have come to be fulfilled, you may ask.



Now let's look at the Tanakh/Old Testament foreshadowings/prophecies concerning Jesus.

1) Messiah was to be born in Bethlehem---Micah 5:2

2) the King/Messiah was to bring salvation was to ride into Jerusalem on an ***, upon a colt, the foal of an ***-----Zechariah 9:9

3) the price of Jesus' betrayal was told to be 30 pieces of silver, told who would end up with the money (the potter), and where the silver would be cast (the house of the Lord-----Zechariah 11:13

4) that the hands and feet would be pierced-----Psalm 22:16

5) that He would be born of a virgin---Isaiah 7:14

6) that He would be pierced for our transgressions---Isaiah 53:5

7) that He would die with wicked, be assigned a rich man's grave, though He had done no violence or said anything deceitful---Isaiah 53:9



One foreshadowing fulfilled by Jesus is the Passover Lamb.



The Passover lamb died on the 14th of Nisan. Its' blood was placed on the door frames of the Israelites homes to protect the Israelites from the angel of death and the plague of the first born males. Those that had faith that the blood of the lamb would save them (the Israelites) were protected from physical death. The Egyptians, who did not have faith in the blood, died. No bones were to be broken on the Passover lamb.



Jesus, the true Passover Lamb, died on the 14th of Nisan. Those who have faith in the blood of Jesus to save them will be spared of spiritual death. Those who do not believe will suffer spiritual death/eternal torment in the lake of fire. No bones were broken on Jesus.



One foreshadowing you may not have known of is the names of the first ten descendants/genealogy of Jesus found in Genesis chapter 5.

Look at the genealogy from Adam to Noah.

Let us examine this chapter more closely. In our Bible, we read the Hebrew names. What do these names mean in English?

The List

Now let's put it all together:

Hebrew--English

Adam-----------Man

Seth-------------Appointed

Enosh-----------Mortal

Kenan------------Sorrow;

Mahalalel-----------The Blessed God

Jared-----------------Shall come down

Enoch-----------------Teaching

Methuselah-------------His death shall bring

Lamech-------------------The Despairing

Noah------------------------Rest, or comfort.

Let's put the message/foreshadowing together, now.

Man (is) appointed mortal sorrow; (but) the Blessed God shall come down teaching (that) His death shall bring (the) despairing rest.



There is the good news of Jesus in the genealogy from Adam to Noah.



So there is proof that Jesus is the Son of God from the Tanakh/Old Testament which was written hundreds of years before the birth of Jesus.



Jesus appeared to me in a dream---so yes I have seen Him.



One fulfilled prophecy that was recently fulfilled was the Isaiah 9:10 prophecy that the best-selling book the Harbinger was about.

This prophecy was fulfilled by Tom Daschel and John Edwards after the 9/11 attack.



Tell him that you have given him things to ponder.



Tell him the only reasonable response is that the Bible is God's gift to mankind to show us what God wants from us and how he expects us to act and what the future is.



God wants us to know that Jesus/Yeshua is the Son of God and is the Savior of the world.



No one can get eternal life/heavenly life without faith in Jesus and repentance of our sinful ways.



We are all sinners and unless we have faith in Jesus, his blood cannot pay the penalty for our sins. The result is an eternal existence without God and his blessings. It is pure torment.

May God Bless You Always

Answer 83

You didnt look very had there are several historical documents that prove his existence out side the bible, Both Jewish and roman

Tacitus’s wrote about Jesus in the year 116ad

Josephus a Jewish historian wrote about Jesus in his book Jewish Antiquities



And several others wrote about him as well. all written in historical documents.

Answer 84

Maybe because everything in the New Testament was written a long time afterwards.A man called Jesus probably existed and started a religion, everything else was made up to promote it.

Answer 85

You can get the Bible in large print now my friend if you have trouble reading the historic record of Christ. If you genuinely seek Him, you will encounter Him for sure.

Answer 86

Search Jesus in Kashmir there are some record

Answer 87

The Jewish historian Josephus refers to Jesus. Jesus is also talked about in the Jewish Talmud. Most Jews don't like Jesus but they do admit he existed.

Answer 88

this is so false.! yes there are historical records. at least 3 or 4 historians of jesus generation wrote about him.

Answer 89

if you mean secular history, there were a lot of men named 'yeshua ben youssef' with brothers named 'yahoob' and 'yehuda' at the time. there are some vague secular records.

Answer 90

There may be no historical record of Jesus, but there are enough semi-contemporaneous writings of his followers which mention him that it is almost certain that he is a real figure.

Answer 91

What do you mean, like we don't have his birth certificate? We don't have Socrates birth certificate, his body in his grave or any other documentation but you believe in HIM. No document would be taken as authentic anyway. You would just say it was a fake.

Answer 92

History is written by the conquerors. Why would Rome be interested in a Jewish guy who who they killed on the advise of Jewish Religious leaders?

There is enough reports in the Jewish Talmud that Jesus indeed lived.

Show me a modern Historian who denies the existence of Jesus and I will show you an idiot.

Answer 93

There were few written records in those days.

Not many people were able to read or write.

The Bible & church Fathers are the best record.

Few other records have survived 2000 years.

Answer 94

If there were a benevolent being walking around doing miracles and marching against your empire you'd suppress the records of him being here because you wanted to keep conrol and keep people stupid.

Answer 95

Actually, there is. A few years back there was an artifact found that translated out to, James, the brother to Jesus, the son of Joseph. You can do a search of it.

Answer 96

Well because, if he existed, he was not a person of any importance...also he and his disciples were probably functionally illiterate. The earliest gospels we have only come from long after Jesus's alleged death, and are written in fluent educated Greek---hardly the language of Jesus or his followers. No doubt Paul could read and write Greek, but Paul never met Jesus and only "heard" about him--he also has very slim knowledge of the life of this "Jesus" and only talks about the time of the crucifixion onwards. He knows nothing of Jesus before that time.

Answer 97

The record may be on ancient scrolls somewhere or etched on a wall. During, the time of Jesus, NO one had paper to write anything on.

Answer 98

Tacitus, a Roman historian who lived during the latter part of the first century C.E., wrote: “Christus [Latin for “Christ”], from whom the name [Christian] had its origin, suffered the extreme penalty during the reign of Tiberius at the hands of one of our procurators, Pontius Pilatus.”—The Complete Works of Tacitus (New York, 1942), “The Annals,” Book 15, par. 44.

With reference to early non-Christian historical references to Jesus.

Answer 99

Hi Joe! of course historic and archeological proof has been found about our saviour Yeshua! You just havent been bothered to dig deep enough to prove it to yourself!

Stop being lazy and do some research for yourself on you tube!

Answer 100

Have you really studied Whiston's Josephus?

Answer 101

The clothe which he lay on his death is on catholic Rome. Peter bones on Rome. Vatican. There is evidence of existence of god. Through yeshua who form as a man brought down to earth. He exist in fact are calendar has after death date of which Jesus die. And before christ. So the calendar know he has time on being here in earth as a form of man.

Answer 102

I'm not going to type all the info, but click on the link im adding. It is from an atheist website so it's not biased.

http://www.thethinkingatheist.com/forum/Thread-Jesus-apparently-existed-outside-of-the-bible

Answer 103

Several secular historians wrote about him. When Jesus returns, all you unbelievers, your I didn't no's won't work and you wail and gnash your teeth in fear and no helper will be found for you and no eye will feel sorry for you.

Answer 104

Dr Luke is a historian. He wrote a biography of Jesus. The Bible is enough for the truth about Jesus Christ. He loves u and died for our sins on the cross. He rose from the dead.

Answer 105

More than likely he didn't exist, or was a philosopher or Rabbi who 30 years after his "apparent death" was made into a son of God, or more than likely he is what we would know today as a nutcase :)

Answer 106

I find it fascinating that he never wrote down his own words because he was very humble. But, does anyone read the Bible anymore? It is the most accurate account we have of his life besides Gnostic texts. Those are online as well as hidden in the Archives of the Vatican owned by the Catholic Church which is on the ruins of Mythra.

Answer 107

Your not looking. People who say there is no record of Jesus are like people who walk around with blinders on denying the existence of the light bulb.

Answer 108

All evidence of Jesus Christ was destroyed by a Roman General named Titus. All he left was the wailing wall.

Answer 109

See the Gospel of Matthew, Chapter 1

Answer 110

Get smart! We don't have true records of recent events much less of events 2,000 years ago.

Answer 111

Yes

Answer 112

The biggest propenent of this supposed lack of evidence is Bart Erhman, who is an anti-Christian hack. I've had the pleasure of seeing him get his butt handed to him in a debate against a Christian apologist named James White.

Answer 113

HiLIARy Clinton has a copy on her email server but they're Classified.

Answer 114

Same reason here are no contemporary records of Alexander the great until Arrian,some 300 or more years after Alexander died.

Answer 115

There aren't any, that's why. But you knew that didn't you? *Give a knowing wink.*

Answer 116

There's plenty of historic record ---- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wlp63Lxrxi0&list=PL9243ACE34D3C7FE8&index=25

Answer 117

because he's a fictional character. No more real than Zeus or Superman. One would have to be complete idiot not to understand that,

Answer 118

There are 17 non-Christian resources about Jesus.

Answer 119

That is extremely wrong. As basically all historians believe Jesus was definently a real person. However, it is up to you to believe whether or not all the things in the bible happened.

Answer 120

No newspapers as we know them. No TV or foreign correspondents. Just the Bible for one, which is a record of what people saw at the time? Briefly.

Answer 121

One answer is that Satan destroyed all the evidence.



Another answer is that Jesus is a composite fictional character invented ca. 50 AD by Saul of Tarsus and sold to traumatized messianic Jews who were being persecuted for rebellion by the Roman Empire, and whose messiah had not appeared.

Answer 122

Step one: learn to read Latin. Step two, learn to apply proper historical analytical techniques. Step three consider original sources instead of the back of cornflakes packets.

Answer 123

Make believe people exist in children's fairy tale books--- not history books. You know, like peter pan and Santa Claus.

Answer 124

even if a Jesus existed it doesn't make a make a man a god or son of god or died and rose from the dead you can not show proof for any of that so a man died who supposedly believed in god so that happens every day

Answer 125

Muslims acknowledge that Jesus was here.



Jews do, too.



His significance is what is debated.



Only Christians regard him as Messiah.

Answer 126

The Historian Josephus mentions Jesus as the brother of James who

was martyred.

Answer 127

peace to the truth seekers,

Jesus Christ son of Mary / ppuh: peace & prayers upon him existed and, mentioned logically in Quran, away from over zealously of the Christians. BTW, he only asked his Discibles to "follow me"

if you care to know, will be glad to help

Answer 128

The bible is the historical record of Jesus!

Answer 129

Even Jesus doesn't know .

Answer 130

Maybe it's because you have been looking in all the wrong places.

Answer 131

maybe Jesus wasn't important for them

Answer 132

No historic record? Have you ever heard of the Bible?

Answer 133

He was a commoner all his life how many commoners do we have records of

Answer 134

I shall not hate on the atheists. I'm coming soon.

Answer 135

All evidence was raptured by The King of the Jews in Outer Space

Answer 136

Tacitus, a Roman historian who lived during the latter part of the first century C.E., wrote: "Christus, from whom the name (Christian) had its origin, sufferd the extreme pwnalty during the reign of Tiberias at the hands of one of our procurators, Pontius Pilatus."- The Complete Works of Tacitus, "The Annalls," Book 15, par. 44.





The first-century jewish historian josephus referred also about Jesus..

Answer 137

There are many historical records of the Lord Jesus Christ (see the links below).



The Bible is the word of God written by men who were inspired by the Holy Spirit. We who have accepted the Lord Jesus Christ as our Saviour experience God's love and miracle working power in us and in our lives daily.



The Dead Sea Scrolls and other ancient non Christian sources prove the validity of the Bible:



http://www.westarkchurchofchrist.org/library/extrabiblical.htm



https://www.probe.org/the-dead-sea-scrolls/



Fulfilled prophecies also prove the Bible is reliable:



Fulfilled Prophecy: Evidence for the Reliability of the Bible by Dr. Hugh Ross http://www.believers.org/hughross.htm



Prophecies of the Lord Jesus Christ in every book of the bible:



http://www.jesusplusnothing.com/jesus66books.htm



The truth about Jesus Christ can be found only in the Holy Bible. Three days after the Lord Jesus Christ died for our sins, He resurrected from the dead (Luke 24:1-8; Acts 10:40; 1 Corinthians 15:4) and 40 days later, He ascended into Heaven (Acts 1:3; Luke 24:50-53; Acts 1:9-11).



Without God, the spiritual part of the human being is dead (Ephesians 2:5, Colossians 2:13). The sin of our first parents (Adam and Eve) caused the separation between God and man. Romans 6:23 says the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord. Sin causes us to be separated from God which results in spiritual death. Christ, the 2nd Person of the Triune Godhead was made flesh (through the immaculate conception) and paid the price for our sins by dying on the cross so we could through faith in Christ as our Saviour be instantly redeemed and united to God and have the indwelling of the Holy Spirit who teaches us, comforts us and grants us fruits to live in righteousness and gifts to help and edify the Church. There is no redemption or unity to God apart from receiving the Lord Jesus Christ as one’s Saviour and Lord.



REDEMPTION BY GRACE THROUGH FAITH



Because mankind is incapable of meeting God’s standard of perfection necessary to abide in God’s presence (Romans 3:19-20,23), God sent His Son Jesus Christ to pay the total debt for the believer’s sins and mercifully credits to his account Christ’s righteousness (Romans 3:21-28,5:1-11; 2 Corinthians 5:18-21). Jesus’ gracious act of atonement was complete and covers all sin (Colossians 2:13-14; 1 John 1:9). Salvation is not based on good deeds but according to the mercy of God (Titus 3:4-5). Believers are justified by faith; it is a gift by God’s grace (Romans 4:3-8; Ephesians 2:8-9). A true, living faith will result in a desire to live a holy, loving life of good works (Ephesians 2:10; Galatians 5:6; James 2:14-26), but failure to be absolutely successful at righteous living does not negate the believer’s justified status.



If you sincerely say this prayer, your sins will be washed away, you will be redeemed to God, be saved from eternal torment and inherit the Kingdom of God:



"Dear Jesus, I am a sinner. I repent of my sins. Please forgive me and save me by your shed blood. Come into my heart. I want to receive you as my own personal Lord and Savior. Amen"



https://victoryinjesuschrist.wordpress.com/

Answer 138

What about the holy shroud of Turin . that holds the image of the body of Christ when he was crucified . nobody has managed to disprove it yet . and it shows the imprints of the terrifying injuries that Jesus suffered . as described in the bible at his death

Answer 139

Because you aren't looking in the right places.

Answer 140

Yes in the Bible books of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John.

Answer 141

There is a record of his execution signed by Pontius Pilate

Answer 142

Here's the easy answer: None of it is real.

Answer 143

He's probably all made up.



Lol. Still true ;)

Answer 144

The Bible is the historic record that one should reference.

Answer 145

Joe.



The Bible is a historical text and one that you can rely on.



As a useful analogy.



Every new product you buy in the store or any new car you get has a manfacture'rs manual in it about the product. It gives you the buyer all the information you need to have for the product you purchase. That is the bible for that item.



The same is true for the scriptures of both the Jewish (old testament) and Christian (old and new testaments) scriptures that are in the Bible. They are historical events that we can share with those who hear us for the reasons for our faith.



Every follower of even political movements like Mao Tse Tungs The Red Book or Hitler's Mein Kemp or even the founders of this country have books wherein we know their positions and even histories of what they are giving to us.



The Holy Bible has been recognized as truth in it's history and its spiritual truth for centuries and even millenia.



But if you want proof outside of that there is proof.



The Old Testament or Jewish scriptures have been around far longer than the new testament. And that is the Jewish faith. And for me to not think that this is not true history or can't be reliable is nonsense to me.



I tell you what you do.



Go to the library and look in history books about the Bible. And see world history and other cultures and see how the Bible is referenced in many places and studies.



Edit. 2 hours later.



Joe. If I were to accept your premise that Jesus Christ did not exist. Then I would have to believe that all of what the Jewish faith believe in, the Christian faith believe in with both Catholic and Protestant faiths are all based on lies.



Made up stories that are not true since they are not based on history.



Even Charles Darwin does the evolutionist did not doubt the history of the existence of Jesus Christ.

Richard Dawkins. One of your vanguards against Christianity accepted the existence of Jesus Christ.



Other sources come from a list from the Yahoo answers linked below. (second one)



Update: The following extra-biblical writers (a short list) of historical events say He existed, some were Christian, some secular...some even enemies:



* Thallus (c. 50-75AD)

*Phlegon (First century)

* Josephus (Antiquities of the Jews, c.93)

* Tacitus (Annals, c.115-120)

* Suetonius (Lives of the Caesars, c. 125)

* Galen (various writings, c.150)

* Celsus (True Discourse, c.170).

* Mara Bar Serapion (pre-200?)

* Talmudic References( post 300 CE, but some refs go back to eyewitnesses)

*Lucian (Second Century)

*Numenius (Second Century.)

*Galerius (Second Century)

Answer 146

Doesn't matter loving people is the message

Answer 147

Why would they keep a record of an agitator such as Him?



Think about it.

Answer 148

Jesus destroyed the evidence to see who is loyal

Answer 149

God has sealed all up to His word.





I will worship toward thy holy temple, and praise thy name for thy lovingkindness and for thy truth: for thou hast magnified thy word above all thy name.









His word is clearly too important and vital to allow corrupt and sinful men to give their accounts.



Will any believe God? and not, will any believe men?

Answer 150

Erased?

Answer 151

His stories were passed on by word of mouth

Answer 152

"Unfit and sneaky." That is what my iPhone autocorrect decidided to put, so I'm leaving it as so

Answer 153

There are no Magic Fairys watching over us. Hence, no evidence.

Answer 154

read the book evidence that demands a verdict by Josh McDowell - it discusses this issue

Answer 155

I have seen on youtube that there is documentation in India

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yiy5uY3Iw2s

Answer 156

VERY SIMPLE HE NEVER EXISTED TO START OFF WITH,another figure from the imagination of disturbed minds.

Answer 157

Because the presentation of the biblical Jesus was created by the church.

Answer 158

Because he never existed. The messiah myth is old hat.

Answer 159

I believe He existed.

Answer 160

Its because he never existed, the entire story was made up.

Answer 161

He never existed

Answer 162

That's an excellent question and it's commendable you are searching!



Here's are just a couple of my notes. To sum the main points: Yes! The Bible, along with ancient Bible manuscripts, along with extra-Biblical sources including not only non-Christian writers but even anti-Christian writers, in addition to archeology prove beyond a shadow of doubt Jesus is real.



No serious scholar even dares to question Jesus' existence. (Strongly recommend you check out jw.org)





"No, it was not by following artfully contrived false stories that we acquainted you with the power and presence of our Lord Jesus Christ, but it was by having become eyewitnesses of his magnificence." - 2 Peter 1:16





THE 27 BOOKS OF THE "NEW TESTAMENT" ALONE PROVIDES DOCUMENTATION FROM 8 INDIVIDUALS LIVING IN THE FIRST CENTURY TO JESUS CHRIST.



The Bible provides outstanding evidence, that Jesus Christ was a real person. First, the Bible speaks of Christ Jesus as real and historical and, describes much of his life in great detail. There are eight different authorize writers who were inspired to record and preserve information now contained in the Bible. These people were contemporaries of Christ Jesus himself. One of these eight individuals investigated Jesus' life and interviewed eyewitnesses (Luke 1:1-4). At least, five knew Jesus personally, some were close relatives e.g., two were his younger half-brothers and three of the writers were of Jesus chosen "12 apostles" he selected. The details in their writings testify to their First Century origin. Additionally, some of the OLDEST of these MANUSCRIPTS were dated by some scholar to CIRCA 25-50 years after they were to originally penned. These different writers provided differing glimpses into the life and teachings of Jesus Christ. That alone speaks volumes on the validity or historicity of Jesus Christ, Our Lord. – (SEE: GREENLEAF'S TESTIMONY)



"Dismissing Christian testimony for the historicity of Jesus is like dismissing Roman testimony for the historicity of Caesar" – Unattributed



“MEN OF ISRAEL, HEAR THESE WORDS: JESUS THE NAZARENE WAS A MAN PUBLICLY SHOWN TO YOU BY GOD THROUGH POWERFUL WORKS AND WONDERS AND SIGNS THAT GOD DID THROUGH HIM IN YOUR MIDST, JUST AS YOU YOURSELVES KNOW.” – ACTS 2:22



After the destruction of the temple in Jerusalem by the Romans in 70 C.E. many of the non-Christian eyewitnesses of Christ Jesus died; numerous records, some possibly even referring to Jesus, were no doubt lost and destroyed. Following that a large-scale genocide where many of the Jews were slaughtered occurred.





However, even still glimpses that attest to the historicity of Christ Jesus still emerge from outside of Bible.



FOOD FOR THOUGHT: would it be logical for these writers to depicted an individual they supposedly made up? Why would do so? and why would they include elements like his baptism, washing the feet of his disciples, enduring a humiliating execution on a torture stake?



The Early Christian disciples not only just acknowledged Jesus but actively proclaimed Christ Jesus' teaching, life, death and resurrection and doing that knowing so it was most likely lead to their death sentence. Additionally, early Christians did not participate in warfare (unlike Islam) therefore governments hated them, the Roman emperors and orthodox Jewish leaders both hated them. So what convinced them? Something to think about.





– YOSEF BEN MATITYAHU – "FLAVIUS JOSEPHUS" – A LEVITE PRIEST AND A JEWISH HISTORIAN. JOSEPHUS' WRITINGS ACKNOWLEDGE BOTH THE EXISTENCE OF JESUS AND JESUS' RELATIVE JOHN THE BAPTIST. SEE: THE “TESTIMONIUM FLAVIANUM” (FIRST CENTURY JEW)



– GAIUS SUETONIUS TRANQUILLUS – A ROMAN HISTORIAN.



– LUCIAN OF SAMOSATA. LUCIAN WAS AN ANTI-CHRISTIAN GREEK SATIRIST



– MARA BAR-SERAPION CIRCA 73 C.E. ("KING OF THE JEWS") – Disclaimer: It is unconfirmed if this as reference to Jesus or someone else.''



– TALMUDIC LITERATURE: "The late Bruce Metzger of Princeton, has commented upon this appellation: The defamatory account of his birth ms to reflect a knowledge of the Christian tradition that Jesus was the son of the virgin Mary, the Greek word for virgin, parthenos, being distorted into the name Pandera (1965, 76). The Talmud also refers to Jesus’ miracles as “magic,” and records that he claimed to be God. It further mentions his execution on the eve of the Passover. Jewish testimony thus supports the New Testament position on the historical existence of Jesus."



Virtually all historical references are after the fact nor before, yet when has ever stopped historians before. We accept kings, emperors etc are real never questioning their existence sometimes with one mention centuries after they died, but God is in wisdom used prophecy too.



CHRIST JESUS FULFILLS THE DESCRIPTION OF FORETOLD MESSIAH.

– Direct male descendant of Shem, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob/Israel.-- Genesis 9:26-27; 12:3, 17; 21:12

– Born of the tribe of Judah. - Genesis 49:10 – Luke 3:23-33

– Direct male descendant from King David. – Isaiah 9:7 – Matthew 1:1, 6-17

– Born of a virgin – Isaiah 7:14; Matthew 1:18-25

– Declared by Jehovah to be his Son. – Psalm 2:7; Matthew 3:17

– A prophet – Deuteronomy 18:15

– Not believed in – Isaiah 53:1 – John 12:37, 38

– Zealous for Jehovah's house – Psalm 69:9 – Luke 2:49

– Entered Jerusalem riding an ***. – Zechariah 9:9; Matthew 21:1-9

– Betrayed by a close associate. – Psalm 41:9 – John 13:18, 21-30

– Betrayed for 30 silver pieces. – Zechariah 11:12 – Matthew 26:14-16

– Assaulted – Isaiah 50:6; Micah 5:1– Mark 14:65; 15:19

– False witnesses testify against him – Psalm 35:11; Matthew 26:59; Mark 14:56

– Silent before his accusers.– Isaiah 53:7; Matthew 27:11-14

– Lots cast for his garments. – Psalm 22:18; Matthew 27:35

– Reviled – Psalm 22:7, 8 – Matthew 27:39-43

– Poisonous plant and vinegar given – Psalm 69:21– Matthew 27:34, 48

– None of his bones broken. – Exodus 12:46; Psalm 34:20; John 19:33, 36

-- Buried with the rich – Isaiah 53:5, 8, 9 – Matthew 27:57-60

– Raised - Resurrected - Does not corruption – Psalm 16:10 – Acts 2:24, 27; 13:35

– Exalted to God’s right hand – Psalm 110:1 – Acts 7:56





Sincerely hope this helps. Feel free to inbox me if you have more questions.

Answer 163

Jesus was a fairy tale person.

Answer 164

You mean besides the New Testament

Answer 165

Because popcorn isn't real.

*Grabs God*

Answer 166

The New Testament contains hundreds of references to Jesus Christ. There are those who date the writing of the Gospels to the second century A.D., more than 100 years after Jesus' death. Even if this were the case (which we strongly dispute), in terms of ancient evidences, writings less than 200 years after events took place are considered very reliable evidences. Further, the vast majority of scholars (Christian and non-Christian) will grant that the Epistles of Paul (at least some of them) were in fact written by Paul in the middle of the first century A.D., less than 40 years after Jesus' death. In terms of ancient manuscript evidence, this is extraordinarily strong proof of the existence of a man named Jesus in Israel in the early first century A.D.



It is also important to recognize that in A.D. 70, the Romans invaded and destroyed Jerusalem and most of Israel, slaughtering its inhabitants. Entire cities were literally burned to the ground. We should not be surprised, then, if much evidence of Jesus' existence was destroyed. Many of the eyewitnesses of Jesus would have been killed. These facts likely limited the amount of surviving eyewitness testimony of Jesus.



Considering that Jesus' ministry was largely confined to a relatively unimportant area in a small corner of the Roman Empire, a surprising amount of information about Jesus can be drawn from secular historical sources. Some of the more important historical evidences of Jesus include the following:



The first-century Roman Tacitus, who is considered one of the more accurate historians of the ancient world, mentioned superstitious “Christians” (from Christus, which is Latin for Christ), who suffered under Pontius Pilate during the reign of Tiberius. Suetonius, chief secretary to Emperor Hadrian, wrote that there was a man named Chrestus (or Christ) who lived during the first century (Annals 15.44).



Flavius Josephus is the most famous Jewish historian. In his Antiquities he refers to James, “the brother of Jesus, who was called Christ.” There is a controversial verse (18:3) that says, “Now there was about this time Jesus, a wise man, if it be lawful to call him a man. For he was one who wrought surprising feats....He was [the] Christ...he appeared to them alive again the third day, as the divine prophets had foretold these and ten thousand other wonderful things concerning him.” One version reads, “At this time there was a wise man named Jesus. His conduct was good and [he] was known to be virtuous. And many people from among the Jews and the other nations became his disciples. Pilate condemned him to be crucified and to die. But those who became his disciples did not abandon his discipleship. They reported that he had appeared to them three days after his crucifixion, and that he was alive; accordingly he was perhaps the Messiah, concerning whom the prophets have recounted wonders.”



Julius Africanus quotes the historian Thallus in a discussion of the darkness which followed the crucifixion of Christ (Extant Writings, 18).



Pliny the Younger, in Letters 10:96, recorded early Christian worship practices including the fact that Christians worshiped Jesus as God and were very ethical, and he includes a reference to the love feast and Lord’s Supper.



The Babylonian Talmud (Sanhedrin 43a) confirms Jesus' crucifixion on the eve of Passover and the accusations against Christ of practicing sorcery and encouraging Jewish apostasy.



Lucian of Samosata was a second-century Greek writer who admits that Jesus was worshiped by Christians, introduced new teachings, and was crucified for them. He said that Jesus' teachings included the brotherhood of believers, the importance of conversion, and the importance of denying other gods. Christians lived according to Jesus’ laws, believed themselves to be immortal, and were characterized by contempt for death, voluntary self-devotion, and renunciation of material goods.



Mara Bar-Serapion confirms that Jesus was thought to be a wise and virtuous man, was considered by many to be the king of Israel, was put to death by the Jews, and lived on in the teachings of His followers.



Then we have all the Gnostic writings (The Gospel of Truth, The Apocryphon of John, The Gospel of Thomas, The Treatise on Resurrection, etc.) that all mention Jesus.



In fact, we can almost reconstruct the gospel just from early non-Christian sources: Jesus was called the Christ (Josephus), did “magic,” led Israel into new teachings, and was hanged on Passover for them (Babylonian Talmud) in Judea (Tacitus), but claimed to be God and would return (Eliezar), which his followers believed, worshipping Him as God (Pliny the Younger).



There is overwhelming evidence for the existence of Jesus Christ, both in secular and biblical history. Perhaps the greatest evidence that Jesus did exist is the fact that literally thousands of Christians in the first century A.D., including the twelve apostles, were willing to give their lives as martyrs for Jesus Christ. People will die for what they believe to be true, but no one will die for what they know to be a lie.

Answer 167

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2-OtP1-NhEw

Answer 168

There were no pens or books at that time!

Answer 169

He died like long time ago fools, decomposition

Answer 170

Typically, when this question is asked, the person asking qualifies the question with “outside of the Bible.” We do not grant this idea that the Bible cannot be considered a source of evidence for the existence of Jesus. The New Testament contains hundreds of references to Jesus Christ. There are those who date the writing of the Gospels to the second century A.D., more than 100 years after Jesus' death. Even if this were the case (which we strongly dispute), in terms of ancient evidences, writings less than 200 years after events took place are considered very reliable evidences. Further, the vast majority of scholars (Christian and non-Christian) will grant that the Epistles of Paul (at least some of them) were in fact written by Paul in the middle of the first century A.D., less than 40 years after Jesus' death. In terms of ancient manuscript evidence, this is extraordinarily strong proof of the existence of a man named Jesus in Israel in the early first century A.D.



It is also important to recognize that in A.D. 70, the Romans invaded and destroyed Jerusalem and most of Israel, slaughtering its inhabitants. Entire cities were literally burned to the ground. We should not be surprised, then, if much evidence of Jesus' existence was destroyed. Many of the eyewitnesses of Jesus would have been killed. These facts likely limited the amount of surviving eyewitness testimony of Jesus.



Considering that Jesus' ministry was largely confined to a relatively unimportant area in a small corner of the Roman Empire, a surprising amount of information about Jesus can be drawn from secular historical sources. Some of the more important historical evidences of Jesus include the following:



The first-century Roman Tacitus, who is considered one of the more accurate historians of the ancient world, mentioned superstitious “Christians” (from Christus, which is Latin for Christ), who suffered under Pontius Pilate during the reign of Tiberius. Suetonius, chief secretary to Emperor Hadrian, wrote that there was a man named Chrestus (or Christ) who lived during the first century (Annals 15.44).



Flavius Josephus is the most famous Jewish historian. In his Antiquities he refers to James, “the brother of Jesus, who was called Christ.” There is a controversial verse (18:3) that says, “Now there was about this time Jesus, a wise man, if it be lawful to call him a man. For he was one who wrought surprising feats....He was [the] Christ...he appeared to them alive again the third day, as the divine prophets had foretold these and ten thousand other wonderful things concerning him.” One version reads, “At this time there was a wise man named Jesus. His conduct was good and [he] was known to be virtuous. And many people from among the Jews and the other nations became his disciples. Pilate condemned him to be crucified and to die. But those who became his disciples did not abandon his discipleship. They reported that he had appeared to them three days after his crucifixion, and that he was alive; accordingly he was perhaps the Messiah, concerning whom the prophets have recounted wonders.”



Julius Africanus quotes the historian Thallus in a discussion of the darkness which followed the crucifixion of Christ (Extant Writings, 18).



Pliny the Younger, in Letters 10:96, recorded early Christian worship practices including the fact that Christians worshiped Jesus as God and were very ethical, and he includes a reference to the love feast and Lord’s Supper.



The Babylonian Talmud (Sanhedrin 43a) confirms Jesus' crucifixion on the eve of Passover and the accusations against Christ of practicing sorcery and encouraging Jewish apostasy.



Lucian of Samosata was a second-century Greek writer who admits that Jesus was worshiped by Christians, introduced new teachings, and was crucified for them. He said that Jesus' teachings included the brotherhood of believers, the importance of conversion, and the importance of denying other gods. Christians lived according to Jesus’ laws, believed themselves to be immortal, and were characterized by contempt for death, voluntary self-devotion, and renunciation of material goods.



Mara Bar-Serapion confirms that Jesus was thought to be a wise and virtuous man, was considered by many to be the king of Israel, was put to death by the Jews, and lived on in the teachings of His followers.



Then we have all the Gnostic writings (The Gospel of Truth, The Apocryphon of John, The Gospel of Thomas, The Treatise on Resurrection, etc.) that all mention Jesus.



In fact, we can almost reconstruct the gospel just from early non-Christian sources: Jesus was called the Christ (Josephus), did “magic,” led Israel into new teachings, and was hanged on Passover for them (Babylonian Talmud) in Judea (Tacitus), but claimed to be God and would return (Eliezar), which his followers believed, worshipping Him as God (Pliny the Younger).



There is overwhelming evidence for the existence of Jesus Christ, both in secular and biblical history. Perhaps the greatest evidence that Jesus did exist is the fact that literally thousands of Christians in the first century A.D., including the twelve apostles, were willing to give their lives as martyrs for Jesus Christ. People will die for what they believe to be true, but no one will die for what they know to be a lie.

Answer 171

You mean no evidence that you know of

Answer 172

He never existed.

Answer 173

Fairy tales have no basis in fact.

Answer 174

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f6iHe0ra_UM

Answer 175

Try the web site below...

Answer 176

Because there IS no record. And the reason for that is.................

Answer 177

Only god knows.

Answer 178

Because there is none.

Answer 179

He is fake

Answer 180

ssse

Answer 181

Jesus u need faith

Answer 182

allahhhh

Answer 183

its a secret....shhhh... all will be revealed at the correct time

Answer 184

No

Answer 185

you are crazy?so you say all is fiction?

Answer 186

stan did it



I mean satan



no, stan

Answer 187

because

Answer 188

you already know the answer !!!!!

Answer 189

the vatican does.

Answer 190

Idk

Answer 191

idk