Question:
Teaching Kids That We Evolved From Monkeys Is Just Flat Out Immoral. Agree Or Disagree?
2009-07-29 06:02:38 UTC
Why do people even bother teaching kids that we evolved from monkeys when the Bible proves we was created by God? It just don't make no logical sense.

My Pastor told us that kids don't got no morals no more cause they're being learned that homosexuality is natural (even though it's never been observed outside of the human species), and that we evolved from monkeys. He said teaching kids that we evolved from monkeys only serves to encourage them to behave like monkeys.

What do you think about this serious issue?
29 answers:
?
2009-07-29 06:12:11 UTC
I believe the bible is a book written by men. Just as books written about the theory of evolution are written by men.

Your pastor has his opinion, and scientists have their opinions.

Only you can decide what to believe. But I would suggest that you do a little research on the subjects to have an informed conclusion.
Larry454
2009-07-29 06:30:51 UTC
Jimmy -



It sounds like you are upset about two different issues, i.e. the teaching of evolution and homosexuality. These two are not related in any way, although your pastor may think otherwise. If you are willing to raise this question here, then you are clearly looking for sources of information beyond your pastor, which I hope means that you are willing to think about the answers provided with an open mind.



Evolution is not an evil contradiction to your religion, despite what you may have been told. There is nothing within science that purposely contradicts anything in the Bible. Surely you understand that the Earth revolves around the Sun? In the 16th Century, the Church burned folks at the stake for saying that. There are passages in the Bible that can be interpreted to mean that the Sun revolves around the Earth, and folks back then took great offense at people saying anything that might disagree with that particular notion. Evolution is a similar issue. The science behind evolution is over 150 years old; not quite as far back as Copernicus, but no less threatening to those who think that they have all the answers and refuse to listen to reason. With respect to human ancestry, evolution does not claim any relationship to monkeys. This is a common misconception that is frequently used by creationists to ridicule scientists. But its not true. Perhaps you should take a little more time to understand what it is that you think you are disagreeing with. Do you, for example, believe in the idea of survival of the fittest? That's 90% of what Darwin was really talking about.



As far as homosexuality, that is a subject on which I am not qualified to speak. However, I am quite content to let others do as they wish without placing demands on them that they cannot fulfill. Tossing out insults about behaving like monkeys is neither humorous nor meaningful, in my opinion.
jtrusnik
2009-07-29 06:13:28 UTC
First of all, you're saying that your pastor told you that children were once perfect little angels, never doing anything wrong, but then evolution (which usually isn't taught until high school) came along and children became little monsters.



If so, your pastor is an idiot. To prove the point, volunteer at a preschool program for a day. After your day of seeing how children really behave, question the preschoolers about their understanding of biology, specifically as it applies to evolution.



Or, you can point him to 2 King 2:23...and then point out that god clearly think the appropriate punishment for teasing a bald person is to tear the children apart limb from limb in the next verse.



Second, we didn't evolve from monkeys. Not all primates are or were monkeys.



Finally, it is never immoral to show somebody the very conclusion that all evidence to date supports.
VeggieTart -- Let's Go Caps!
2009-07-29 06:11:30 UTC
If someone tells your kids we came from monkeys, they are seriously misinformed. We are certainly primates like monkeys, and we share common ancestry. The bible proves nothing but that there were some really whackadoodle misogynists a few thousand years ago. And our coming from monkeys still makes more sense than the talking snake.



And homosexual behavior most certainly HAS been observed outside of humans, and not just in those Central Park penguins who adopted a penguin chick either. Many animals will engage in same-sex behavior as a way of creating social bonds.
Nathan
2009-07-29 06:11:41 UTC
Your pastor is an ignorant man who isn't fit to educate children. The bible proves nothing about our existence or where we came from. And also, humans never evolved from monkeys, we just share a common ancestor
?
2009-07-29 06:41:51 UTC
I think the problem is much deeper than evolution ; in the Oath Against Modernism given by His Holiness St. Pius X on September 1, 1910, the Pope gave us a warning about a paradigm shift that would lead believers to trust science and technology as the ultimate source of truth ; a modern revelation in its own right. Modernism and rationalism has left quite a wake since 1910 ; the preoccupation of the evolutionists is just part of that wake but the real problem here is in the definition of science and its purpose ; one needs to realize that science is not in the truth business ; science is a tool, a tool so flexible that it sometimes create fictitious universes and models associated with it ; the evolution theory is such a model based on a fictitious universe where entropy would be missing ; yet bearing in mind that it is not about truth, the model of evolution has been quite useful to science in organizing massive amount of data in harmony with the apparent relationships discovered between species; so it could be of interest to teach evolution if teachers were a little bit more educated about the fundamental purpose of science and stop presenting it as the ultimate source of truth ; I mean, who cares if complex numbers do not really exist and reflect a reality which is untrue (such as the square root of a negative number) ? what matters is that we can use complex numbers to develop formulas and theorems which them have practical applications ; the same applies to evolution: it does not have to be true to be useful ; and that is because science is not in the truth business ; never has been and never will be ; teach that to kids and then only teach them evolution, as a fictitious but useful model.
Rev. Still Monkeys
2009-07-29 06:08:17 UTC
I agree. The current understanding is that we had a common ancestor. That is an understanding that has existed for 150 years or so. So any teacher who teaches human are descended from monkeys is doing a disservice to their students. And monkeys.
wcwindom56
2009-07-29 06:08:31 UTC
Nothing wrong with teaching all views of the origins along with evolution, as long as they teach it as a T H E O R Y; not as fact, which a lot are doing. Taht is when it becomes wrong.



And yes I am a Believer and a Disciple of the Messiah.
2009-07-29 06:11:46 UTC
Or maybe telling them about religion could be immoral, not everybody believes and you have to respect that. If i gave you book about harry potter, you would probably go out and condemn anybody that wasn't a wizard.



And by the way i think homosexuality is wrong, its just my opinion
Trogdor
2009-07-29 06:28:07 UTC
I agree that it's immoral, because that's not how evolution really works, and we shouldn't give kids false data. And if your kid extrapolates scientific fact into hedonism, then there's probably more wrong with him than the education system can fix.
2009-07-29 06:12:16 UTC
LOL

I think you should find another way to rile the non believers coz this just doesn't work.

The bible doesn't "prove" anything.....Its not factual evidence that that bloke called Jesus ever lived...Where else in history is that guy mentioned?



However when you compare our genetics to that of a chimp....
mrtwondo
2009-07-29 06:10:21 UTC
Yep, since humanity evolved from Apes, and not monkeys, that would be wrong.
2009-07-29 06:09:24 UTC
Considering you answered another question with "Yes, I'd like all Christians to babysit a hungry adult grizzly bear with cubs to feed in a locked cage," I can safely assume that you are trolling. Give me Best Answer or I'll blackmail you.
The CAt in The Tin FOiL HAt v17
2009-07-29 06:09:31 UTC
Disagree



Humans are a young species, in geological terms. The average "lifespan" of a mammal species, measured by its duration in the fossil record, is around 10 million years. While hominids have followed a separate evolutionary path since their divergence from the ape lineage, around 7 million years ago, our own species (Homo sapiens) is much younger. Fossils classified as archaic H. sapiens appear about 400,000 years ago, and the earliest known modern humans date back only 170,000 years.



Our knowledge of human evolution is changing rapidly, as new fossils are discovered and described every year. Thirty years ago, it was generally accepted that humans and the great apes last shared a common ancestor perhaps 16-20 million years ago, and that the separate human branch was occupied by only a few species, each evolving from the one before. Now we know, through a combination of new fossil finds and molecular biology, that humans and chimpanzees diverged as little as 7 million years ago, and that our own lineage is "bushy", with many different species in existence at the same time.



Our view of our evolutionary past has changed as social attitudes have changed. Darwin was remarkably prescient when he wrote, in 1871 "The Descent of Man", that humans had evolved in Africa and were closely related to the great apes (gorilla, chimpanzee, and orang-utan). But at that time this view was anathema to many, since the majority of people still accepted the concept of special creation.



This is why the first fossil hominid material to be discovered, that of Neandertal Man, attracted even more controversy than the later discoveries of Australopithecus africanus and Homo erectus. Rather than accept the fossil as the remains of a human ancestor, the distinguished German scientist R. Virchow described it as the skeleton of a diseased Cossack cavalryman. And even once the antiquity of the remains was established, many scientists refused to accept that Neandertals could be closely related to modern humans, depicting them instead as brutish and apelike. This interpretation reflected the prevailing prejudices about human ancestry, and was supported by misinterpretation of the remains of the "Old Man of La Chapelle", whose skeleton was warped by arthritis.



Even when the idea that apes and humans shared a common ancestor became more widely accepted, the concept of an African origin was not. The scientist Ernst Haeckel, for example, was convinced that humanity's nearest common ancestor was the orang-utan, and that humans evolved in Asia. Though wrong in this, he was a persuasive writer and many people came to accept his view.



This is why Eugene Dubois sought the "missing link" between humans and apes in Indonesia (then the Dutch East Indies). However, he met with considerable disbelief - and some ridicule - when he named his Solo River fossils Pithecanthropus (now Homo) erectus and described them as belonging to a human ancestor. This rejection reflected the prevailing view that our large brain had evolved while the skeleton was still ape-like, and Dubois' suggestion that the reverse was true was sidelined.



The "large brain first" view received further support when the Piltdown fossils were presented to the world. While we now know that they are fraudulent, at the time (1911) they seemed to demonstrate quite clearly that early humans had a modern cranium atop an ape-like body. And since the Piltdown remains were found in England, they conveniently supported the prevailing idea that modern humans had evolved in Europe, rather than in Africa.



Consequently, when in 1924 Raymond Dart recognised the position of the Taung baby (Australopithecus africanus) on the human family tree, his ideas initially faced considerable opposition. Not until more australopithecine fossils were discovered did his recognition of A. australis as a hominid gain credence. However, it is now accepted that the ancestors of modern humans evolved in Africa and remained there until perhaps 1.5 million years ago, when Homo erectus populations left Africa and moved rapidly across Europe and Asia.



This diaspora was the reverse of a movement that occurred in the late Miocene, when the ancestors of the African apes migrated from Eurasia into Africa. Here they underwent another adaptive radiation, culminating in the divergence of ancestral chimp and hominid populations from their last common ancestor, 7 million years ago.

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Miocene Apes



Apes evolved in Africa at least 20 million years ago, when the continent was a separate land mass. The best known of these early apes was Proconsul. Proconsul was recognisably an ape, but retained some monkey-like characteristics of the backbone, pelvis, and forelimbs that suggest it was quadrupedal, rather than a brachiator



Lowered sea levels 17 - 16.5 million years ago provided a land bridge between Africa and Eurasia, and some of these early apes used it to enter Eurasia, along with elephan
I Saw Everything
2009-07-29 06:08:20 UTC
if people teach their kids that god exists but they cant see him they just have to have faith he exists and do what he wants if they want to go to heaven....then teaching kids they come from monkeys doesn't sound that much worse....



besides, the religious teach about the ten commandments but hardly uphold it themself....no wonder people have lost their morality
2009-07-29 06:06:56 UTC
It is plainly immoral. We evolved from primates, not monkeys. Make sure your child is taught the proper pattern of mankings evolution, or else soon he will be sure he was created by an old man in the sky who's all ice on the outside.
good tree
2009-07-29 06:08:44 UTC
Perhaps it would be wise to teach evolution as a theory, but point out it's flaws. I believe we should teach creation as a theory too, and allow children to choose for themselves. In the end, God will call those he has predestined whatever they start off believing in life. As for homosexuality, let's teach that we need to love everyone regardless of their lifestyle choices, and if they come to know Jesus because they see the love in us, let him talk to them about their lives, and be there for them if they find it hard.
2009-08-01 21:35:01 UTC
I think everybody should get all the facts and be able to form their own opinion.
2009-07-29 06:45:14 UTC
Not immoral but not correct, it's that we share the ancestry of primates.
Wren
2009-07-29 06:16:28 UTC
If you want to be a troll, can you at least try to be original and inventive. I mean really....
2009-07-30 02:23:36 UTC
Just let people have there own opinions. and in schools they dont say it did happen they say scientists BELIEVE this happen.
Janian
2009-07-29 06:14:12 UTC
Kids don't got no grammar no more too
2009-07-29 06:05:53 UTC
I call Poe....at the least.



Although you could just barely pass for a garden-variety troll.
athena
2009-07-29 06:08:27 UTC
hahahaha u r logic really bemuses me ty for the laugh u made my day
2009-07-29 06:09:48 UTC
There is plenty of archaeological evidence pointing to the fact that humans just like us have existed for millions of years. Evolution is a crock.
?
2009-07-29 06:09:26 UTC
I expect better, even from trolls.
2009-07-29 06:06:10 UTC
well, we did not evolve from monkeys, so your pastor is ignorant.
2009-07-29 06:07:17 UTC
No -- just INACCURATE.



Humans SHARE A COMMON ANCESTOR with APES.



There IS a difference.
2009-07-29 06:06:48 UTC
Yeah i agree....Poe.


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