Question:
Do you think that Jehovah's Witnesses a.k.a. The Watchtower Society is connected with Freemasonry?
2008-01-03 11:41:49 UTC
I was raised as a JW and I do.
23 answers:
2008-01-03 11:46:11 UTC
Freemasons are well connected and have started many religions. Mormons are another.... possibly Unitarian.



Also, Rosecrusians.



It would stand to reason that many mainstream will or are under the control of the freemasons.



If this is not the case it is at least the desire.
Brimstone Halo
2008-01-03 11:54:07 UTC
I hope so, I have a brick wall that needs to be fixed and i cant pay for it....





Somehow I dont think they are connected to free masons though-



Generally, to be a regular Freemason, a candidate must

Be a man who comes of his own free will.



Believe in a Supreme Being. (The form of which is left to open interpretation by the candidate)





Be at least the minimum age (18–25 years old depending on the jurisdiction).



Be of sound mind and body (Lodges do not deny membership to a man because of a physical disability; this is largely a historical holdover, and if a potential candidate says there will be no problem, he will be taken at his word).



Be of good morals, and of good reputation.



Be free-born (or "born free", i.e. not born a slave or bondsman).As with the previous, this is entirely an historical anachronism, and can be interpreted in the same manner as it is in the context of being entitled to write a will.



Some jurisdictions have removed this requirement.



Have character references, as well as one or two references from current Masons, depending on jurisdiction.
Jill
2008-01-04 00:15:38 UTC
No.



Whoever started this falsehood is probably quite pleased that so many believe it, judging from the numerous websites devoted to "exposing" this erroneous connection.



Reliable information about who is or who is not (or was or was not) a mason can be found on the masonic website (www.masonicinfo.com).



This site lists "Famous Masons" and "Famous Non-Masons". Under the list entitled "Famous Non-Masons" I quote, in part:



"There is no credible evidence whatsoever that Charles Taze Russell, the founder of the Jehovah's Witness faith, was a Mason. Some have charged that his tombstone appears as a keystone (a symbol used in Royal Arch Masonry), that there appears on the stone a crown and cross and that the stone is in the shape of a pyramid. (Those who make the claim do so for their own ends ignoring the fact that the cross and crown have long been symbols of Christianity........Those attempting to condemn Russell based on Masonic membership fail to produce any evidence of his membership (the name of his lodge or the names of lodges he ostensibly visited, for example) and his supporters use faulty logic in arguing against it. Russell is not mentioned in any Masonic reference works, a unique situation indeed if he were a Mason because of his notoriety."



Here is the link for those who want to check this out:



http://www.masonicinfo.com/famousnon.htm#4
isnrblogdotcalm
2008-01-03 15:15:15 UTC
Linedancer again with his Witness arrogance.



No one has the truth but the JW's so why look at anything else.



I too, was born and raised into Jehovah's Witness, 3rd generation. My Grandmother and her sister were baptised in the 30's, my mother was a pioneer during WW2.



My extended family, (who all shun me, by the way) are mostly Witnesses.



As a Witness, I have never heard of the freemason connection. I have seen Russell's grave and there is definitly a pyramid on it with a Knights Templar emblem. I don't know the significance. I need to research that point.



But as with a lot of things that happened in the early days, like Beth Sarim, etc. the Witnesses supress. I was shocked to learn of the Beth Sarim loonacy. It's so frustrating because the Watchtower Society's programming works so well, when I have tried to get any of my relatives to look at some of this, they shreik and run away. Now I just chuckle to myself.



I can't believe what I used to believe. Actually, most of its probably changed by now, with new light and all.



As far as all the "Apostate sights" (listen up, linedancer), I have done a great deal of research into Beth Sarim, etc. I happen to have an extensive library of original society publications, many from the early 1900's before 1914. I inherited them from my Grandmother in the late 70's.



When an "apostate website", for example, makes a claim like Jehovah's Witnesses believe in consulting the spirits and quotes the following:



"This verse (Revelation 8:3) shows that, though Pastor Russell has passed beyond the veil, he is still managing every feature of the harvest work…We hold that he supervises, by the Lord's arrangement, the work yet to be done."

"The Finished Mystery 1917 pp. 144, 256"



....I have this original volume and can look it up and read the context. In the case of the above quote it is accurate and the context does not change its meaning. Some "apostates" distort things and deliberatly omit things, but I find most do not.



The Witnesses distort, omit and misquote. Try to find anything in the literature about the 1925 prediction.



Concerning "Beth Sarim" the book "Advertise the King and the Kingdom says on page 76, in chap 7



"Concerning Beth-Sarim, the book “Salvation,” published in 1939, explains: “The Hebrew words ‘Beth Sarim’ mean ‘House of the Princes’; and the purpose of acquiring that property and building the house was that there might be some tangible proof that there are those on earth today who fully believe God and Christ Jesus and in His kingdom, and who believe that the faithful men of old will soon be resurrected by the Lord, be back on earth, and take charge of the visible affairs of earth.”



A few years after Brother Rutherford’s death, the board of directors of the Watch Tower Society decided to sell Beth-Sarim. Why? “The Watchtower” of December 15, 1947, explained: “It had fully served its purpose and was now only serving as a monument quite expensive to keep; our faith in the return of the men of old time whom the King Christ Jesus will make princes in ALL the earth (not merely in California) is based, not upon that house Beth-Sarim, but upon God’s Word of promise.”



No mention of the 1925 prophesy which was why Beth Sarim was purchased in the first place.



UPDATE: CL_freemason, Ok we have an answer by an actual Freemason. I know some Freemasons and to me, it's like a fraternity, like the Elks. I know there is some interesting history about the founding of the Freemasons, the secret society blah blah. My view is that they are like the Elks, ect. A society of guys who have a club and do whatever.



I don't think the freemasons have a "world conquest" agenda.



.....unless, it was those freemasons on the grassy knoll!!



2Q and Learn: You know so much would you care to debunk my above quote from the "Finished Mystery"?
cl_freemason
2008-01-03 14:51:18 UTC
There is no connection; now or in the past.



You claim there once was, where is your proof?



You are free to believe whatever you want, but that doesn't make it true.



Freemasonry as a fraternity has not started any religions; individual members may have, but they did not do so as freemasons nor on behalf of freemasonry.



It is neither the case nor the desire that mainstream people are under the influence of freemasonry. That very concept is against all core principles of freemasonry.



There is nothing evil going on in freemasonry, or freemason lodges, the "things you have heard" are rumors and not true.



There is no one governing body of freemasonry... oops, oh well, so much for your conspiracy lies, I mean theories.
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2008-01-03 11:57:02 UTC
Yes!! .. There is a *huge* similarity in their masonic heritage / rootage, between the JW's and the Mormons.



They may not be directly connected to Masonry now, but both

Charles Russell and Joseph Smith were involved in masonry

and traces of their practices can still be seen in some of the format of these religions' practice today.

They both have a common ancestor, and they also both have similar attitudes, but expressed in different ways:



Closed-mindedness, and the ability to twist / ignore inconvenient scriptures according to the current trends of Watch-tower theology .. which has, in fact, provably changed several times over the last 95 years.



I was a Jehovah's Witness for 10 years. I lost a lot of precious years in that time, and only now have been restored to seeing Christ, as He truly is! :o)



Fact:



As an organization, they have spent more money than anyone

on planet earth,trying to disprove the trinity, and in the

brochure they have produced ("Why Should You Believe In

The Trinity?") .. 99% of the quotes that they use to try to

disprove the trinity - were actually taken from articles written

by authors, trying to *prove* the trinity!!

They are past masters at deception, and their "untouchable" leadership - the "Governing Body" - is fractured, and fractured badly!



A good book to recomment to you (and it's not expensive!) -

is:



"Crisis of Conscience" by Raymond Franz.



(A former Governing Body member, who could not live with

the lies he was being asked to cover up!)





Note to CL_Free (below!) :

No-one is claiming freemasons started these religions, but

that the individuals who made these religions, carried over

much of masonic influence and practice with them. You ask

for proof? .. Go find it in any public library!



.
Ruth
2008-01-03 11:51:47 UTC
I don't know much about the JW's but Joseph Smith and all his top dogs in the Mormon church were Freemasons.
Rodolfo
2008-01-03 11:57:33 UTC
Freemasonry remains exclusive to men. Last time I checked, there are more female than male members of Jehovah's Witnesses.
Anna P
2008-01-03 11:45:00 UTC
JWs would associate all the symbols of freemasonry as idols, I would think.
2008-01-03 15:57:33 UTC
I've not only researched older publications, but Icopies of several. This questioner is taking everything out of context & twisting it to suit his purpose, of giving JWs a big black eye.

Such attempts often backfire. I know individuals who looked into & became JWs after reading similar accusations.



If anyone has any questions about JWs,

please feel free to ask us, or surf our sites:



JW-Media Site Map

http://www.jw-media.org/sitemap.htm

http://www.jw-media.org/



Jehovah's Witnesses' Official Web site

http://watchtower.co.uk/



Jehovah's Witnesses--Who Really Are They?

- What Do They Believe? http://watchtower.co.uk/e/jt/article_01.htm http://watchtower.co.uk/e/jt/index.htm



Should You Believe Everything You Hear...?

http://watchtower.org/e/20000622/article_01.htm
Chantal G
2008-01-03 11:50:48 UTC
It might be, though, if it is, I think the connection is very recent. I think Freemasonry has existed for a lot longer than the Jehovah's Witnesses have.



If there is a connection, no biggie to me.
2008-01-03 12:29:07 UTC
No, I don't.



Being raised as a JW does not mean you know or understand everything. Mostly it's those of us who came from the outside who do more research on the religion before we join. I suggest you do the same.
tahoe02_4me62
2008-01-03 11:59:19 UTC
NO,NO, AND NO.



I've heard the Freemasonry, a well-known international brotherhood, is secretive and open only to men. JW's have men, women,children and All nationalities,etc.
2008-01-03 13:28:23 UTC
Yes. The founder of the mormons was also a freemason. Check out this video. It was done by one of my contacts who is an ex-jw now Christian.



http://youtube.com/watch?v=XeiBhhUaKNA



Hey Linedancer-



Who are you to tell him what to do? You are showing evidence of watchtower control tactics.
2008-01-03 11:53:31 UTC
You are raised as one and you say they are connected with the Freemasons. Wow, what a confession! Freemasons are not in the light of God. I heard of all kinds of sinful things they did behind closed doors. Secrets are hidden because they are to be kept in darkness. Darkness is not connected to the light of Jesus. Its a doom and gloom situation.



UPDATE: Out For Justice providing link is TRUE! It shows all the evidence there with the symbols, Watchtower, occult history. All I could say while watching it is "Oh My Gosh!" I am still stunned!
PediC
2008-01-03 14:18:16 UTC
you should suggest these new converts research their kingdom halls' libraries for old, old books, and not from 1970, either. They'll find the roots of their organization to be shocking.
Elphaba
2008-01-03 11:45:41 UTC
I'm in the midst of doing research on that very subject. And my answer is yes, I do. Have you researched the Knights Templar?
Ray Patterson - The dude abides
2008-01-03 11:47:15 UTC
Everything's connected.
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2008-01-03 11:45:25 UTC
Maybe in the beginning with Russell but not anymore.
lillie
2008-01-03 17:18:13 UTC
Boy are you one mixed up cookie!!
LineDancer
2008-01-03 11:44:18 UTC
No. You need to keep your nose out of anti-witness websites.
eelai000
2008-01-03 11:46:30 UTC
their founder, charles taze russel is buried in a pyramid



http://www.freeminds.org/history/cemetary.htm
Sapere Aude
2008-01-03 11:46:01 UTC
No.


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