Question:
Christians...?
Suliman
2006-09-10 14:50:23 UTC
I am a Muslim reading the Bible just for understanding what the Christian religion is about. And my question is if Jesus (peace be upon him) is GOD or Son of God then how come he cried help from God? Anyway can someone tell me the trinity clearly and so I can understand. Also, this is another question. Who exactly knows if the Bible is in its actual form. Can someone show me proof.
34 answers:
Niqabi
2006-09-10 15:22:31 UTC
As salaamu alaikum,



Brother, the word trinity isn't in the actual bible. It was a concept created and voted on by "The Nicean Council". Look it up, wikipedia or whatever.



Also, there is a hadith about not reading the book of the jews and christians (like to gain benefit from it etc). It is halal for the purpose of dawah, so long as it doesn't become so time consuming that it stops you from seeking knowledge, but let me tell you........ there are so many muslims who converted from christianity who already have that obgliation covered ...and I want you to seek answers from Muslims at least as much as you are asking the christians.



You ask a very good question about how can Jesus be God and then call on God for help. Well, as you know, he didn't hang on a cross, but anyway, here's another point for christians - Jesus never, NEVER says in the bible that HE IS GOD or that he is THE SON OF GOD. He says once (at least as it is recorded in the bible) to the pharisees, (paraphrased) YOU SAY THAT I AM THE SON OF GOD.



It was PAUL who had a "revelation" (from the devil, who else) that Jesus was the "son of God." and should be worshipped. He came along I think about 40 years? or more after Jesus was gone. But just about everything after Mathew, Mark, Luke & John was written by Paul. So, keep that in mind. What christians of today are following is really the religion of Paul that he taught.
melissa s
2006-09-10 15:45:50 UTC
He did not cry for help, He asked that this cup be passed from him. In other words, he in his human form knew what was going to happen and did not look forward to it. Just like you may know about something that you HAVE to do but do not look forward to because of how it has to be done.

The best way I can describe the Trinity is This.

Look at an EGG> the shell, yolk, and white. they all are different yet are part of the same thing.

The "Dead Sea Scrolls." do support the Bible today, so I am confused as to what the one person prior to me was saying. How can the Trinity be a Lie if the Dead Sea Scrolls are almost exactly the Bible we read today.

Read John 1:1 and 1:13. How can this not support the Trinity. Also, Read Ephesians ch2 v8-9.

This tells you the Greatness of God and what a Christian believes for the most part.

Also as a side note; When Jesus is saying "why have you forsaken me" to The Father , this is because any other time God was with him but because he took our sins upon himself on the Cross God could not be in Sin nor near it. That is why he removed himself from the Sacrifice which was Jesus for our sins.

Good luck,

God Bless
Purdey EP
2006-09-10 15:02:12 UTC
I was taught that the trinity was God the Father, God the Son, God the Holy Spirit. The trinity is like a three leaf clover--three parts that make a whole. As far as I know the books that are in the Old Testament have been together for thousands of years, perhaps since the time of Moses. The New Testament is a collection of books written by early Christians. I believe the earliest books are Paul's letters to the various churches. I think the gospel of Mark was the earliest one, written in 40 or 50 A.D.
cindy
2006-09-10 15:00:50 UTC
Of the trinity, God is the head (boss) Jesus is the son and the holy spirit is the comforter and sometimes revealer.



They are one and the same with different (jobs). Because understanding God is not something given to us, I can only use a human analogy to help describe but not completely as I am a mere human.



I am a mother, a wife and a sister. I cannot separate these three parts of me from one another, but they are all a part of my whole being.



God is more powerful than I am, so it stands to reason that he can separate part of himself if he so chooses, and this is what he is doing at the moment, as we have the comforter here with us on earth at the moment keeping evil somewhat at bay and shedding light on the truth for us.



The message of the bible is in actual form. Men can translate all they want, but God is all powerful and his true message will come through all translations.



If you believe that Jesus was a great prophet, and you do not believe that he was in the father and the father is in him, then that would make Jesus a lier and a fake and therefore a false prophet, not a great one. That is the one thing that you have to learn about and decide. he cannot be both false and great.
creeklops
2006-09-10 15:19:22 UTC
It is very good for you to try and understand another religion, I applaud you.

Jesus is the son of God, he cried out in agony for help from his father,(GOD)

The Trinity is the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit all in one

The Bible was written by 40 different authors over a period of 1600 years. Every detail of history is completely accurate, the Bible is the only book that roots itself in history so thoroughly and without error.

The Bible contains 2500 prophecies, of these 2000 have already been fulfilled to the letter.

The Bible was originally in Hebrew and Greek and translated into Latin in 405, then in 1384 the first English Bible was produced. then in 1455 after the printing press was developed the Bible was the first book to be printed. Before the printing press it was published by hand, it took many many hours, and it was a very tedious job, that was taken very seriously the people doing this were very careful to print exactly what they were suppose to.
jackiedj8952
2006-09-10 15:03:40 UTC
Jesus said you must be born again.If you are not and do not have the Holy Spirit you will not be able to understand the word.In the beginning was the word and the word was made flesh and dwelt among men.This is in reference to Jesus that became Lord of Lords and King of Kings through his obedience to God the Father.

God is the Father,Jesus is the only begotten Son of God and the Holy Spirit is the Spirit of truth which is Gods Spirit.As far as actual proof there is none it is through Faith in God and Jesus and the Holy Spirit that the word can be rightly divided or understood.
englands.glory
2006-09-10 15:03:28 UTC
Number 1: True Christianity is not a religion: It is a 'PERSONAL' relationship!!



Number 2: Jesus is Gods Son/God as in the Trinity... He was also a 'Man' with ‘Human’ emotion!!



Number 3: If you really are interested in learning about our faith & Christianity... take a look at this site: -



http://christiananswers.net//directry.html



Here you will find answers the questions above and many more… God bless you and lead you to the truth of Him!!



Shalom!!
I-o-d-tiger
2006-09-10 15:00:02 UTC
First of all congrats on being open minded enough to read Bible. Second, Jesus came to show us the way to the Father. third, trinity is difficult but I will try. God, Jesus, Holy Spirit, three separate entities who are omnipresent, omniscient, omnipotent, and have always existed and always will. That always existed part even throws me for a loop cause I just can't explain the no beginning part. Fourth- “The 66 books of the Bible were written on three continents. In three languages. By about 40 different people (kings, shepherds, fishermen, priests, and a physician). Over a period of about 1500 years. On the most controversial subjects. By people who in most cases had never met. By authors whose education and background varied greatly. Yet all 66 books maintain harmony with each other…as if written by one great mind. And indeed it was.” 2 Peter 1 verse 21 “Holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy spirit” Critics of the Bible have tried to say that certain “historical statements” in the Bible are not accurate but archaeologists have uncovered many discoveries that have prooven(sp?) the history of the Bible as accurate. The principles and the prophecies of the old testament as well as its history holds for us today as much relevance as it did for the Israelites in Jesus day and it blends perfectly with the new testament. Peace to you.
Jael
2006-09-10 14:59:42 UTC
The closest I can get you to the first part of your question is to have you look at water.



I can compare the trinity to water.



Water can be ice, steam and liquid.



Think of the trinity like that.



God can be Father, Son and Holy Spirit.



As far as the second part of your question is concerned, there is a movie out and I believe the name is something like "How The Bible Got Its Origin" I hope I got the title right. It is a must see for anyone curious as to how the Bible was put together.



I hope this helps. It is good to question.
diskkidd
2006-09-10 14:58:51 UTC
I did a search on the net and found this.



http://www.raptureready.com/faq/faq350.html



It's not really easy to explain, but this does a pretty good job.



I believe the reason he cried out to God is that when on the cross, with everyone's sin upon him, he was separated from God for the first time, since God can't look upon sin. The separation from God was the worst punishment-worse than the physical pain.



And if you want to see the Bible in its original form, you would have to read the Hebrew text (old testament) and the Greek text (new testament). Some things changed meaning in translation to English. You can get a concordance (like Strong's concordance) to help you in your studies.
stickinthemud
2006-09-10 15:01:25 UTC
I am a christian and read the Qu'ran for understanding. I also don't want to offend anyone. Jesus came in the flesh to save souls and preach the gospel for the end times. Just like Gabriel came to Muhammed to do similar. Abraham is the father of 3 religions. Jesus was with God from the beginning of creation.

The holy trinity is Father, God- The son- Jesus, and the Holy Ghost. Jesus spoke in parables because he wants us to work harder to find his treasures. Diligence and obedience.
Rev T L Clark
2006-09-10 15:16:23 UTC
Assalamu alaikum wa rahmatullah, my muslim friend.



There are complex questions, but I shall attempt to answer as simply as I can (because people get bored reading).



First it requires a basic understanding of Hebrew (the language of the Pentatuch and the rest of the Old Testament). In short God knew that no ordinary man (born of human mother and father) could remain sinless, and thereby redeem the world... so He would have to do it himself... God, however, being Spirit, could not do it in that form... He required a body... His human incarnation (human mother, but no human father), would be able to withstand sin. However, you have to keep in mind that he was still in human form... flesh, blood and all the accompanying nerve endings. His mortal form cried out to the Spirit from which he came.



The trinity is an even more complex issue... the easiest way I can explain it is to compare God to water (yeah, that's gonna offend a bunch of folks, but bear with me). The water molecule is two parts hydrogen one part oxygen... in its solid form we call it ice. In it's liquid form... we call it water. In it's gaseous form, we call it steam or vapor. But it's all still H20. Jesus in his physical form is God. The Holy Spirit, having been poured out on all humanity, is God... and El Shaddai (Yahweh, Allah) God the Father is God.



Finally, The Bible as we know it today is not exactly what it was when it was written thousands of years ago (waits for the gasps of shock to die down). Any time you translate from one language into another, some of the essense is lost in translation. However, we can still consider it reliable because (if we trust in his Divine Providence) we have to believe that he is capable of carrying his message over to us in our individual languages.
Birdbrain
2006-09-10 15:05:33 UTC
If you have read much in the New Testament, you see that Jesus is God in the flesh. As he was dying on the cross it hurt, so he cried out. I do not know what you really want.

No, the Bible as we have it is translated or in some cases transliterated from the original language.
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2006-09-10 14:55:06 UTC
James R. While has an excellent book called "The Forgotten Trinity" if you're interested in learning about the doctrine of the Trinity in detail. If you're just looking for a brief summary, try the link below.



For arguments supporting the accuracy of Scripture, you might try Lee Strobel's "The Case for Christ" or Josh McDowell's "Evidence that Demands a Verdict".
grammy_of_twins_plus two
2006-09-10 15:03:41 UTC
Ok first off - Not all Christians believe in the Trinity.



As the son of God, he cried out to his God for help when he had finally reached his physical limit of endurance. This was necessary for him to show that he was truly faithful.
LR Girl
2006-09-10 14:58:01 UTC
Jesus was the Son of God and yet was human. Therefore, he cried out to God for help (his humanity did) just as many Christians still do today. Jesus had/has power. He was able (according to Scripture) to cast out demons, heal the sick, etc.
Gestalt
2006-09-10 14:55:06 UTC
By incarnating, God came to have experience with being human. Being human entails many things, such as doubting God and dying. In order to understand from the inside why people doubted God's power and love, God had to live in the flesh. Otherwise, he could not know what it was like to doubt--since he is God. Why and how could God doubt God? He could only doubt when he was "split off," in the flesh.
2006-09-10 14:54:37 UTC
I will answer in continue to read the bible and find out what you beleive, I could and would be glad to help lead you, but the path to find Christ is yours.



As a Muslim perhaps view him as the "LIGHT" that you are looking for at the end of the world that comes to save you.



And while I will offend many if you view him as God, or as the Son of God or if you as many do view him as both, it is his message of salvation that is the most important.
Cardea
2006-09-10 14:56:02 UTC
I can't tell you about the first part of your question, but I have heard of proof that the bible has had some parts mistranslated and other parts changed for political reasons. I personally can't point you to any documentation of that, but I've heard from multiple sources... If one man calls you a donkey, pay him no mind. If two men call you a donkey, get yourself a saddle. I suggest doing more research on it.
2006-09-10 14:57:09 UTC
It is like the President calling upon the military, even though he is a component of it (in that case, the Commander-in-Chief).

We know the Bible is in its actual form because:

1. People have died to preserve it.

2. 99% of all the ancient texts found agree with each other 100%, and we give Shakespeare a lot more leeway than that.

3. It agrees with other historical texts.

If you are really interested in this issue, please feel free to email me and I can give you more in-depth reasons. Thanks for the great question!
timjim
2006-09-10 14:56:47 UTC
Jesus was fully man and fully God while he was on this earth.

Three in one. I don't understand it either, but I don't understand nuclear physics but that doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

As far as proof is concerned you really cant prove to me you exist.

all it takes to believe is a little step of faith then God reveal all kinds of truths to you.
2006-09-10 15:04:36 UTC
What proof do you have that the Quran is its actual form. Your word? HA!!!! At least you are attempting to read another holy book unlike so many millions of you who refuse to accept the existence of another religion except Islam.
Grandreal
2006-09-10 15:28:34 UTC
OK

If you read the bible New testament you will find that he always (every time) called God "Father"

Except on the cross, and English he said!

"My God My God why has thou forsaken me"



Psalms 22

1 My God, my God , why hast thou forsaken me? why art thou so far from helping me, and from the words of my roaring?



He from the cross was teaching!
2006-09-10 14:58:47 UTC
If you want to learn the truth study with Jehovah's Witnesses. The are true christians. Everything that they teach is scriptural and has a bible basis as well as research behind it.



Jesus is God's son. Jehovah is his Father and our Father. The trinity is not a biblical teaching it is a doctrine that has seeped into true christianity among others.



If your heart is sincere and you are a sheep you will find the truth
nina buena
2006-09-10 14:55:54 UTC
they say that he is the son of god but even if he wasn't he still had 2 ask help 4rm god because god is greater than him even the devil has to ask god 4 permission to do stuff and what do u mean "bible is in it's actual form"
NoName
2006-09-10 14:54:42 UTC
he is the son of god. of course your gonna cry if you know all the pain your gonna go threw. he was asking god for strength. the trinity is the father, son (jesus) and holy spirit all in one.
Uncle Thesis
2006-09-10 14:53:02 UTC
Jesus is NOT God!

The trinity is a lie.

The 'Dead Sea Scrolls' prove that the Bible has remained in its actual form.
abram1love
2006-09-10 14:58:40 UTC
Thank you for taking the time to research our beliefs that show you have respect for others beliefs...we have studying some of the Muslim beliefs...That being said..It is very difficult to explain so I must direct you this link sorry http://everystudent.com/forum/trinity.html?OVRAW=explanation%20of%20the%20trinity&OVKEY=explanation%20of%20the%20trinity&OVMTC=standard
2006-09-10 14:56:44 UTC
christianity is more of a faith based reigeon, alot of people have questions that cannot be answered, you just have to beieve in it, because there is no right answer to anything. no one knows if moses parted the sea, some people believe it some people don't. either one is fine, but if you believe it did happen then it did, just have faith in your beliefes.
2006-09-10 14:53:27 UTC
If you read more into the bible, Satan (aka Lucifer) never killed anyone, yet the lord killed millions in a flood. (I'm guessing at millions, but in the bible he flooded the entire earth).



Another odd fact is that the only person to hear gods voice was an 800 year old man that heard voices from a burning bush... How often do you take the word of an old man (let alone an 800 yr old man) with a grain of salt? Yet these people believe it as truth.
chris l
2006-09-10 15:03:09 UTC
i would like to see proof of any religon. so far ive seen none.
williamzo
2006-09-10 14:53:12 UTC
M-A-P-S to Guide You through Biblical Reliability



by Hank Hanegraaff











Use M-A-P-S to guide you through Biblical reliability:



Manuscripts, Archaeology, Prophecy, Statistics







Have you tried to show someone the historical reliability of the Scriptures, and not known where to start? A quick trip to your local well-stocked Christian bookstore likely will overwhelm you. Where among the dozens of impressive, comprehensive reference books should you start?







Fortunately, while there is a wealth of information available to support the reliability of Scripture, you don’t have to burn, the midnight oil to give a reasonable answer to those who ask, “How can we know the Bible is reliable?” Four basic principle chart your way to understanding basic biblical reliability.







To help you remember, I’ve developed the simple acronym “MAPS.” Remember the word MAPS and you will be able to chart Bible reliability.







Manuscripts







Manuscripts relates to the tests used to determine the reliability of the extant manuscript copies of the original documents penned by the Scripture writers (we do not possess these originals). In determining manuscript reliability, we deal with the question: How can we test to see that the text we possess in the manuscript copies is an accurate rendition of the original? There are three main manuscript tests: the Bibliographic, Eyewitness, and External (a second acronym — BEE — will help you remember these).







The bibliographic test considers the quantity of manuscripts and manuscript fragments, and also the time span between the original documents and our earliest copies. The more copies, the better able we are to work back to the original. The closer the time span between the copies and the original, the less likely it is that serious textual error would creep in. The Bible has stronger bibliographic support than any classical literature — including Homer, Tacitus, Pliny, and Aristotle.







We have more than 14,000 manuscripts and fragments of the Old Testament of three main types: (a) approximately 10,000 from the Cairo Geniza (storeroom) find of 1897, dating back as far as about AD. 800; (b) about 190 from the Dead Sea Scrolls find of 1947-1955, the oldest dating back to 250-200 B.C.; and (c) at least 4,314 assorted other copies. The short time between the original Old Testament manuscripts (completed around 400 B.C.) and the first extensive copies (about 250 B.C.) — coupled with the more than 14,000 copies that have been discovered — ensures the trustworthiness of the Old Testament text. The earliest quoted verses (Num. 6:24-26) date from 800-700 B.C.







The same is true of the New Testament text. The abundance of textual witnesses is amazing. We possess over 5,300 manuscripts or portions of the (Greek) New Testament — almost 800 copied before A.D. 1000. The time between the original composition and our earliest copies is an unbelievably short 60 years or so. The overwhelming bibliographic reliability of the Bible is clearly evident.







The eyewitness document test (“E”), sometimes referred to as the internal test, focuses on the eyewitness credentials of the authors. The Old and New Testament authors were eyewitnesses of — or interviewed eyewitnesses of — the majority of the events they described. Moses participated in and was an eyewitness of the remarkable events of the Egyptian captivity, the Exodus, the forty years in the desert, and Israel’s final encampment before entering the Promised Land. These events he chronicled in the first five books of the Old Testament.







The New Testament writers had the same eyewitness authenticity. Luke, who wrote the Books of Luke and Acts, says that he gathered eyewitness testimony and “carefully investigated everything” (Luke 1:1-3). Peter reminded his readers that the disciples “were eyewitnesses of [Jesus’] majesty” and “did not follow cleverly invented stories” (2 Pet. 1:16). Truly, the Bible affirms the eyewitness credibility of its writers.







The external evidence test looks outside the texts themselves to ascertain the historical reliability of the historical events, geographical locations, and cultural consistency of the biblical texts. Unlike writings from other world religions which make no historical references or which fabricate histories, the Bible refers to historical events and assumes its historical accuracy. The Bible is not only the inspired Word of God, it is also a history book — and the historical assertions it makes have been proven time and again.







Many of the events, people, places, and customs in the New Testament are confirmed by secular historians who were almost contemporaries with New Testament writers. Secular historians like the Jewish Josephus (before A.D. 100), the Roman Tacitus (around A.D. 120), the Roman Suetonius (A.D. 110), and the Roman governor Pliny Secundus (A.D. 100-110) make direct reference to Jesus or affirm one or more historical New Testament references. Early church leaders such as Irenaeus, Tertullian, Julius Africanus, and Clement of Rome — all writing before A.D. 250 — shed light on New Testament historical accuracy. Even skeptical historians agree that the New Testament is a remarkable historical document. Hence, it is clear that there is strong external evidence to support the Bible’s manuscript reliability.







Archaeology



Returning to our MAPS acronym, we have established ,the first principle, manuscript reliability. Let us consider our second principle, archaeological evidence. Over and over again, comprehensive field work (archaeology) and careful biblical interpretation affirms the reliability of the Bible. It is telling when a secular scholar must revise his biblical criticism in light of solid archaeological evidence.







For years critics dismissed the Book of Daniel, partly because there was no evidence that a king named Belshazzar ruled in Babylon during that time period. However, later archaeological research confirmed that the reigning monarch, Nabonidus, appointed Belshazzar as his co-regent whi1e he was away from Babylon.







One of the most well-known New Testament examples concerns the Books of Luke and Acts. A biblical skeptic, Sir William Ramsay, trained as an archaeologist and then set out to disprove the historical reliability of this portion of the New Testament. However, through his painstaking Mediterranean archaeological trips, he became converted as — one after another — of the historical statements of Luke were proved accurate. Archaeological evidence thus confirms the trustworthiness of the Bible.







Prophecy



The third principle of Bible reliability is Prophecy, or predictive ability. The Bible records predictions of events that could not be known or predicted by chance or common sense. Surprisingly, the predictive nature of many Bible passages was once a popular argument (by liberals) against the reliability of the Bible. Critics argued that the prophecies actually were written after the events and that editors had merely dressed up the Bible text to look like they contained predictions made before the events. Nothing could be further from the truth, however. The many predictions of Christ’s birth, life and death (see below) were indisputably rendered more than a century before they occurred as proven by the Dead Sea Scrolls of Isaiah and other prophetic books as well as by the Septuagint translation, all dating from earlier than 100 B.C.







Old Testament prophecies concerning the Phoenician city of Tyre were fulfilled in ancient times, including prophecies that the city would be opposed by many nations (Ezek. 26:3); its walls would be destroyed and towers broken down (26:4); and its stones, timbers, and debris would be thrown into the water (26:12). Similar prophecies were fulfilled concerning Sidon (Ezek. 28:23; Isa. 23; Jer. 27:3-6; 47:4) and Babylon (Jer. 50:13, 39; 51:26, 42-43, 58; Isa. 13:20-21).







Since Christ is the culminating theme of the Old Testament and the Living Word of the New Testament, it should not surprise us that prophecies regarding Him outnumber any others. Many of these prophecies would have been impossible for Jesus to deliberately conspire to fulfill — such as His descent from Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob (Gen. 12:3; 17:19; Num. 24:21-24); His birth in Bethlehem (Mic. 5:2); His crucifixion with criminals (Isa. 53:12); the piercing of His hands and feet at the crucifixion (Ps. 22:16); the soldiers’ gambling for His clothes (Ps. 22:18); the piercing of His side and the fact that His bones were not broken at His death (Zech. 12:10; Ps. 34:20); and His burial among the rich (Isa. 53:9). Jesus also predicted His own death and resurrection (John 2:19-22). Predictive Prophecy is a principle of Bible reliability that often reaches even the hard-boiled skeptic!















Statistics



Our fourth MAPS principle works well with predictive prophecy, because it is Statistically preposterous that any or all of the Bible’s very specific, detailed prophecies could have been fulfilled through chance, good guessing, or deliberate deceit. When you look at some of the improbable prophecies of the Old and New Testaments, it seems incredible that skeptics — knowing the authenticity and historicity of the texts — could reject the statistical verdict: the Bible is the Word of God, and Jesus Christ is the Son of God, just as Scripture predicted many times and in many ways.







The Bible was written over a span of 1500 years by forty different human authors in three different languages (Hebrew, Aramaic, and Greek), on hundreds of subjects. And yet there is one consistent, noncontradictory theme that runs through it all: God’s redemption of humankind. Clearly, Statistical probability is a powerful indicator of the trustworthiness of Scripture.







The next time someone denies the reliability of Scripture, just remember the acronym MAPS, and you will be equipped to give an answer and a reason for the hope that lies within you (1 Pet. 3:15). Manuscripts, Archaeology, Prophecy, and Statistics not only chart a secure course on the turnpikes of skepticism but also demonstrate definitively that the Bible is indeed divine rather than human in origin.
Kerilyn
2006-09-10 14:53:11 UTC
how can you offend me if I don't even know what your saying?
purpleaura1
2006-09-10 15:58:04 UTC
God is one Person, (DT 6:4 Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God, the LORD is one.) who reveals himself in three manifestations as Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. He is a personal spirit (JN 4:24 God is spirit, and his worshipers must worship in spirit and in truth.") and has no material body, except in his incarnation in Jesus Christ, nor is he limited by, or to, matter.



The word trinity is not found in the Bible. It was first used in the second century A.D. by Tertullian and is used to express the truth taught in the Scriptures. It denotes the triune (three in one) revelation of God as Father (Gen 1:1, Matt. 6:9), Son (John 8:36), and Holy Spirit (Gen 1:2, John 14:26). Tertullian apparently claimed that the Son and Spirit were not eternal, that the Father was superior to the Son, that the Father, Son and Spirit have bodies, etc. These concepts were not completely supported by scriptures, however the word trinity continues to be used to define our belief in a triune Godhead. As you'll see in this article we believe that the Father, Son, and Sprit are eternal and coequal, and that only the Son was ever given an earthly body.



This does not mean we worship three Gods. God revealed himself as one God existing in three manifestations. He always has been Father, Son, and Spirit. Thus the "Son" existed before Jesus was born. Jesus is the Son of God and through faith we may become sons of God. Jesus is God's begotten Son; we can become his adopted sons. As Holy Spirit, God indwells his children.



Some of the scriptures that I believe point to the triune revelation of God are:

From Creation:



Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. [2] Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters.



Psalm 104:28 When you give it to them, they gather it up; when you open your hand, they are satisfied with good things. [29] When you hide your face, they are terrified; when you take away their breath, they die and return to the dust. [30] When you send your Spirit, they are created, and you renew the face of the earth.



John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. [2] He was with God in the beginning. [3] Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made.



Collosion 1:15 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. [16] For by him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things were created by him and for him. [17] He is before all things, and in him all things hold together.



In Revelation



Hebrews 1:1 In the past God spoke to our forefathers through the prophets at many times and in various ways, [2] but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom he made the universe.



2 Peter 1:21 For prophecy never had its origin in the will of man, but men spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit.



For Redemption



Hebrews 10:8 First he said, "Sacrifices and offerings, burnt offerings and sin offerings you did not desire, nor were you pleased with them" (although the law required them to be made). [9] Then he said, "Here I am, I have come to do your will." He sets aside the first to establish the second. [10] And by that will, we have been made holy through the sacrifice of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.



Hebrews 10:11 Day after day every priest stands and performs his religious duties; again and again he offers the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins. [12] But when this priest had offered for all time one sacrifice for sins, he sat down at the right hand of God. [13] Since that time he waits for his enemies to be made his footstool, [14] because by one sacrifice he has made perfect forever those who are being made holy.



Hebrews 10:15 The Holy Spirit also testifies to us about this.



As a Providence



John 14:1 "Do not let your hearts be troubled. Trust in God; trust also in me. [2] In my Father's house are many rooms; if it were not so, I would have told you. I am going there to prepare a place for you. [3] And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come back and take you to be with me that you also may be where I am.



John 14:15 "If you love me, you will obey what I command. [16] And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another Counselor to be with you forever-- [17] the Spirit of truth. The world cannot accept him, because it neither sees him nor knows him. But you know him, for he lives with you and will be in you. [18] I will not leave you as orphans; I will come to you. [19] Before long, the world will not see me anymore, but you will see me. Because I live, you also will live. [20] On that day you will realize that I am in my Father, and you are in me, and I am in you.



John 16:12 "I have much more to say to you, more than you can now bear. [13] But when he, the Spirit of truth, comes, he will guide you into all truth. He will not speak on his own; he will speak only what he hears, and he will tell you what is yet to come. [14] He will bring glory to me by taking from what is mine and making it known to you. [15] All that belongs to the Father is mine. That is why I said the Spirit will take from what is mine and make it known to you.



The most compelling case for the trinity is the witness of Jesus Christ. Throughout the scriptures we see him referring to the Father and to the Spirit. We also see each of them referred to as God. If we look at redemption as an example, the Father proposed it; the Son provided it; the Holy Spirit propagated it.



An interesting observation is that God the Father was at center stage in the O.T with the Son and the Spirit in the wings, In the gospel Jesus is at center stage, post crucifixion the Holy Spirit is. All three persons are present at all times, with each being a more prominent revelation at given stages of history. We see this at the baptism of Jesus, all three persons were present:



Matthew 3:16 As soon as Jesus was baptized, he went up out of the water. At that moment heaven was opened, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove and lighting on him. [17] And a voice from heaven said, "This is my Son, whom I love; with him I am well pleased."



The only ways to reconcile this is: To say Jesus is not God, which would make him a liar; conclude that the New Testament teaches us to worship more than one God, which makes the Bible fallible; or that God simultaneously exists in three primary manifestations that aide our comprehension of his vastness.



Mark 14:61b, 2 Again the high priest asked him, "Are you the Christ, the Son of the Blessed One?" "I am," said Jesus. "And you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Mighty One and coming on the clouds of heaven."



Matthew 16:15 "But what about you?" he asked. "Who do you say I am?" [16] Simon Peter answered, "You are the Christ, the Son of the living God." [17] Jesus replied, "Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah, for this was not revealed to you by man, but by my Father in heaven.



Luke 9:20 "But what about you?" he asked. "Who do you say I am?" Peter answered, "The Christ of God." [21] Jesus strictly warned them not to tell this to anyone. [22] And he said, "The Son of Man must suffer many things and be rejected by the elders, chief priests and teachers of the law, and he must be killed and on the third day be raised to life."



John 20:30 Jesus did many other miraculous signs in the presence of his disciples, which are not recorded in this book. [31] But these are written that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in his name.



Jesus is not a liar, the Bible is infallible, so the only explanation that makes sense is that there is one God manifest to us in the forms of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. The triune is given for man's finite understanding, but with our finite minds released from the limitations of the flesh, we shall know as we are known. God will be all in all. For we shall see him as he is.



1 John 3:2 Dear friends, now we are children of God, and what we will be has not yet been made known. But we know that when he appears, we shall be like him, for we shall see him as he is.



From the very first verse in the Bible we find that before the time of creation only God existed. Look at Genesis 1:1:



In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.



In Isaiah 43:10 the Bible says that there is only one God.



...Before me no god was formed, nor will there be one after me.



In Ezekiel 28:15, we find that Satan as one of God's creations:



You were blameless in your ways from the day you were created till wickedness was found in you.



This would indicate that Satan and all the "heavenly beings" (angels) were created by God, and that at some point only God existed. During that time when God alone existed we do find reference to the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.



John 1:1-5 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was with God in the beginning. Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. In him was life, and that life was the light of men. The light shines in the darkness, but the darkness has not understood it.



John 1:14 The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the One and Only, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.



Jesus existed before the creation event, took part in the process and is described as God. Not a God, but The God.



Genesis 1:2 Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters.



The Holy Spirit was also pre-existent.

The Trinity Explained



As a Father we have a distinct set of roles and responsibilities that are totally different than as a son. In the same way God's character is described to us through the varying roles of the Godhead. God the Father exemplifies the holiness; while Jesus (The Son of God) demonstrates the personality of God; and the Holy Spirit manifests the awesome power of the almighty God.



Robert W. Faid offers an excellent example for this concept of the trinity, in his book "A Scientific Approach to Biblical Mysteries." In it he describes the sea:



"As you stand by the shore of the sea, as far as your eyes can see -- and beyond -- is the mighty ocean. It is an entity of enormous power, sometimes as still and calm as a tropical pool, sometimes rising in fury to smash those who dare to intrude upon it.



As you observe, a swell of water rises offshore. The wave gathers momentum as it approaches the beach. Although it remains a part of the sea it has a life of it's own. Then, after crashing high upon the shore, it returns to the sea from which it came. As a wave it had it's own identity, but never was it separate from the sea."



Just as the wave came from and returned to, while always being a part of the sea, Jesus came from and returned to, while always being a part of the Father. You can't see a wave without the sea and you can't see Jesus without also seeing God.



"And as you stand beside the shore, you become aware of another part of the sea. The salt air which invigorates you is also an integral part of the sea. It, too, has a separate existence from the sea, but is very much one with it. It penetrates everywhere and everything within miles of the coastline. As you approach the beach it is the signal that the sea is not far away. In fact it is the sea -- reaching out to you through the air.



This is exactly what the Holy Spirit does. Just as the salt air draws men to the sea, the Holy Spirit draws men to the Father through Jesus Christ. The Spirit, although having a separate existence, is not separate from the Godhead."



Simply put the concept of the Trinity is that God exists simultaneously as the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit, just as the sea simultaneously exists as the sea, the wave, and the spray.



When one refers to a wave we immediately have a vision. The same is true with Jesus.

But what about the name God?



As mentioned earlier, "God" is the Hebrew Elohim, this is the name of God which stresses His majesty and omnipotence. The im ending is a Hebrew suffix that indicates the plural form. It could actually be translated "gods", in fact in several other passages it is used to refer to "the gods of the heathen" (Psalm 96:5). However in this instance (along with over 2,500 other times throughout the Bible) it is used in the singular, as the mighty name of God the Creator. This use of Elohim makes it a plural name with a singular, what is referred to as a "uni-plural" noun. This name suggests the uni-plurality of our God and he is described in this fashion from the very first verse of the Bible, God is one, yet more than one.



Interestingly, if we look at God's creation we will find that it is a tri-universe.



Genesis 1:1 -- In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.



In this verse it's apparent that God created the heavens (space) and the earth (matter). What may be less apparent is that in this singular act of creation, he also created time (in the beginning.) To read more about this subject visit our creation page.



To find learn more about God's plan view our salvation page, ask God to help you understand, send me an email, but don't delay. Your soul is worth more than all the world. "What good is it for a man to gain the whole world, yet forfeit his soul? (Mark 8:36)



Once you are saved, there are three things you should begin to practice daily for spiritual growth: Pray, Read your Bible, and find a good Bible-believing church home. If you are saved through reading this web page, send me an email, that we may rejoice with you.



Growing Deep in the Christian Life

Growing Deep in the Christian Life : Essential Truths for Becoming Strong in the Faith, by Charles R. Swindoll



Whether you drive a truck, wait tables, work in an office, or ferry the kids to and from soccer practice, Chuck Swindoll understands that your world is practical, earthy, tough, and relentless. Growing Deep in the Christian Life takes theology out of the ivory tower and enables you to apply it to where you live everyday.


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