Question:
Are these quotes really from the Bible?
anonymous
1970-01-01 00:00:00 UTC
Are these quotes really from the Bible?
Sixteen answers:
Josh
2007-06-13 09:47:16 UTC
Hello, ill run throught these quotes you have listed:



God fashions a woman out of one of Adam's ribs. This was necessary since Adam couldn't find a "help meet" in any of the animals that God made for him. 2:20-22

Yes, God fashions a women from Adams rib. This can be taken as literal or metaphorical. The reason he did this was because he was lonely.





Adam blames Eve and Eve blames the serpent. 3:12-13

Yes, it is interesting here that God asks Adam and not Eve why he ate the apple. Why is this? This is because Adam was the one that was given the responisbility to look after the Tree and not eat from it, not Eve. Therefore even though Eve ate first, Adam is just as much in the wrong, if not more.



God punishes Eve, and all women after her, with the pains of childbirth and subjection to men. 3:16

Yes, this is true, due to the sin of Adam and Eve, women now feel pain in childbirth, and are ruled by men which you can still see today. And can be seen over history for as long as we can see back. From this passage a large flaw can be found in most of the Christian religions of today, they see women as less important however God said this was a consequence of sin and not how it should be, nor how it will be in the Kingdom of Heaven.



Adam is also punished, although less severely. He now will have to work for a living because he "hearkened unto the voice" of his wife. 3:17

I admit I an not so familiar with this quote, but "work for a living " is a nice way to put it, the bible used much more powerful language and it is also still true today. Just look how long people work today, sometimes up to 14 hours a day!!! If Adam and Eve did not sin, we would not have to work at all!! Everything we needed would have been provided for us.



Lamech is the first of a long line of biblical men with more than one wife. It seems that God approves of such marriages. 4:19, 23

Again one with which I am not so familiar. However what I am sure of is that he does not approve of such marrages since Jesus came to earth around 2000 years ago. For he says in the old testement that if a man so much as lusts for another women in his heart, he is commiting adultery.



I hope this answer helped and if you need anything else just PM or email me and I would be happy to try my best. =D
anonymous
2007-06-13 09:44:30 UTC
God made women for man to have a companion.

Some of what you say is true, but your not understanding the meaning correctly, I don't have time to explain all the questions you have, I would suggest you talk to a pastor. but everything your talking about is old testament and they lived by different laws then. All God wants now is your faith and belief. He sent his son to die for your sins, Don't try to figure out the way God dose everything it is beyond mans understanding.

He loves you and wants your love in return.
Stupid Me
2007-06-13 09:39:23 UTC
It may be PI but it is the "Word" of God, just because someone did something in the Bible does not mean God approved of it.



And why should what is written in the Bible offend a Christian who holds it to be the "Word" of God?
anonymous
2007-06-13 09:33:01 UTC
not offensive at all.



the talmudic teaching is the originally adam was both male and female, until G-d separated them into two by removing the rib. i don't consider that offensive.



as for eve getting punished "less severely", i wonder if men in ancient times who spent their lives endlessly toiling in the fields from dawn till dusk in the sweltering heat believed that they got the better end of the deal. the only reason you believe the guys got off light is because you yourself live in the 21st century and have never toiled like that in your entire life.



as for polygamous marriages, i really don't see why G-d would give a crap how many people got married to who, as long as everybody was happy.
anonymous
2007-06-13 09:29:51 UTC
Hey cool, makes me happy that someone is taking the time to read one of my sources! Thank you.



I as an atheist believe people have a right to know what really is in the bible before they make a decision.



As you will notice, there are sexist things in the new testament as well.
?
2007-06-13 09:26:00 UTC
Dont read into the whole male vs women thing. We are all created in Gods own image. What the statements are trying to say is stand up for what you beleive in. If you go with the flow, and you know its wrong you will be punished. Stand up for what you know to be true. Thats the moral of the strory.



Hope that helps.

*H*
jaicee
2007-06-13 09:43:46 UTC
As one poster here points out Christ seemingly cherished women, sent them out teaching - an important responsibility. However, along comes Paul. Paul is obviously a man of his culture in the Roman Empire who has complete disdain for women, who are mere chattel, except for maybe a few rich ones. Obviously, he conveniently forgot his master's joy in them. Paul thinks the return of Christ is immanent, probably in his lifetime, so he exhorts women to shut up in the churches (who knows what was eating his grouchy ar**se, he did claim to have a temper) and with the help of a lot of Jewish Christians who also held women in low esteem -- remember that bad girl Eve who wanted knowledge and ate from the tree of knowledge, got Adam to eat it too, and who along with all other mammals with big-headed offspring got to feel the pangs of childbirth as well as getting kicked out of the garden of innocence and ignorance -- commenced to put them in their place so the serious work of getting the world ready for Christ's immanent return could get on. Anyway, since their society was unjust towards women, that's all they knew, so they just embedded their cultural mores into their religious practice as well as in all those letters Paul wrote, formalized it, and voila. After all, who did it benefit? We still have it today, though I admit, in some places in the world things are somewhat better for women than in the old days, but it's because of secular law.
Marysia
2007-06-13 09:22:34 UTC
first off this is not our time, this was thousands of years ago. i believe things were quite different then ; ) in the OT things were quite different, life was a little mroe harsh. God saw how poeple were abusing things andmisinterpruting things and IMO that was one of the reasons He sent His Son. You willnotice in the new testament much more love and compassion sent forth. read Corinthians - i promise you'll enjoy. women are not debased inthe bible when you read it fully. gracious - women were pivital in the life of Christ. a woman was choosen to give birth to HIm, a woman started HIm on HIs journey, woemn were with Him every step of the way, at His death on the cross and were the first to see Him Ressurected!!
anonymous
2007-06-13 09:18:45 UTC
Yep the Bible is rather politically incorrect! :-)
Tina Goody-Two-Shoes
2007-06-13 02:20:16 UTC
Yup. Written by guys, for guys, who wanted a guy-type Deity. Women were just plain old property to make more boy babies.
faith
2007-06-13 09:37:01 UTC
Yes they are.
anonymous
2007-06-13 09:20:11 UTC
yes, they are from the bible
Jackie L
2007-06-13 14:48:14 UTC
Not exactly on the quotes and definitely not on the Bible talking bad about women.

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Genesis 2: 20-25 is

"20 The man gave names to all cattle, and to the birds of the air, and to every animal of the field; but for the man F8 there was not found a helper as his partner. 21 So the Lord God caused a deep sleep to fall upon the man, and he slept; then he took one of his ribs and closed up its place with flesh. 22 And the rib that the Lord God had taken from the man he made into a woman and brought her to the man. 23 Then the man said, "This at last is bone of my bones and flesh of my flesh; this one shall be called Woman, for out of Man this one was taken." 24 Therefore a man leaves his father and his mother and clings to his wife, and they become one flesh."



There is nothing about a "rib" in the literal Hebrew, rather the word is "side". The "rib" translation was a result of rabbinical teaching in the late Middle Ages. In the King James version it is "help meet", which in modern English is partner. Also, 'adam in this passage was not a name, but rather a term meaning literally "groundling" (of the earth) and at this point in the story if taken in context of chapter 1, was "male and female" (see 1:26-27 "Then God said, 'Let us make humankind in our image, according to our likeness; and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the birds of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the wild animals of the earth, and over every creeping thing that creeps upon the earth.' 27 So God created humankind in his image, in the image of God he created them; male and female he created them.")



There was a blame game when man and woman were confronted with sin (again, neither had been named at this point). However, man doesn't blame woman---he blames God. 2: 12 "The man said, 'The woman whom you gave to be with me, she gave me fruit from the tree, and I ate.'" Woman blames the serpent. 2:13 "Then the Lord God said to the woman, 'What is this that you have done?' The woman said, 'The serpent tricked me, and I ate.'"



There were consequences to woman's actions; however, nothing in the text expands these consequences to all women. Nor are is the second consequence "punishment", rather it is descriptive and not prescriptive. Genesis 2:16 "To the woman he said, 'I will greatly increase your pangs in childbearing; in pain you shall bring forth children, yet your desire shall be for your husband, and he shall rule over you.'" As a result of her teshqua (here translated "desire" though no one really knows what it means) is for her husband, he (man) will rule over her. Again, nothing expands this to all woman or to all men.



Man is punished, but on severity--that's subjective. 2:17-19 "And to the man he said, 'Because you have listened to the voice of your wife, and have eaten of the tree about which I commanded you, "You shall not eat of it,' cursed is the ground because of you; in toil you shall eat of it all the days of your life; 18 thorns and thistles it shall bring forth for you; and you shall eat the plants of the field. 19 By the sweat of your face you shall eat bread until you return to the ground, for out of it you were taken; you are dust, and to dust you shall return.'" He did "harken" but he also ate. He'd already been working for a living, after all 'adam, male and female, had been created to have dominion over the earth. Now, however, the earth would be cursed and God wasn't going to supply the food---man would have cultivate. Whether that is more of less severe is again up to discussion.



Lamech is one of a long line of polygamous Biblical figures. However, as Genesis 2 (see above) shows, God's intention of one man leaving his family to joing with his wife (kind of hard to live your family and join with your wife if you're already married.) Further as the account of Lamech shows, the Bible presents polygamy in negative terms with very negative consequences. Lamech is not shown to be a positive figure, rather he immulates Cain in committing murder and completely misses the point that what Cain had done was wrong. 4:19-24 "Lamech took two wives; the name of the one was Adah, and the name of the other Zillah. 20 Adah bore Jabal; he was the ancestor of those who live in tents and have livestock. 21 His brother's name was Jubal; he was the ancestor of all those who play the lyre and pipe. 22 Zillah bore Tubal-cain, who made all kinds of bronze and iron tools. The sister of Tubal-cain was Naamah. 23 Lamech said to his wives: 'Adah and Zillah, hear my voice; you wives of Lamech, listen to what I say: I have killed a man for wounding me, a young man for striking me. 24 If Cain is avenged sevenfold, truly Lamech seventy-sevenfold.'" As far as God approving such marriages, keep in mind Lamech was completely disregarding how God had defined marriage, and that God specificaly said that kings were only to have 1 wife---an ordinance David and Solomon disobeyed. Remember too, the account of Hannah's pain that resulted form polygamy and the bitter rivalry of Leah and Rachel. The Bible provides very vivid warnings against polygamy and is consequences.







Now about the Bible and women:



Yes, the Bible was written to flawed people through flawed people. However, the Bible shows that women are created in God's image (see above). You've only mentioned OT, but in the NT Paul writes that we (including women) are to be conformed to the image of Christ. The Bible gives us moving accounts of rape victims (Dinah and Tamar-David's daughter), the sorrow of infertilty (Rachel, Hannah); the frustration of having men think they should make decisions for women (the woman of Geshua).The Bible shows that women are to be heirs--and in the NT co-heirs with Christ. The Bible shows that women are to fully participate in faith, in both the OT NT. Women are portrayed as intelligent, creative thinkers (Tamar, the SyroPhencion woman). They are portrayed as leaders (Deborah, Lydia, Pheobe). As women of faith (Sarah, Eve, Dorcas, Mary Magdalene, Rahab). As teachers (Priscilla, Huldah). As evangelists (Mary Magdalene, woman at the well). Warriors (Jael, Deborah, the women at the wall.)



Of course, the Bible also has patriarchal themes; it reflects the assumptions of a patriarchal society, while challenging those assumptions.
rapstar
2007-06-13 09:25:32 UTC
yes and there are worst.....abrahamic religions holds many quotes that makes that i do not appreciate that 'god'
anonymous
2007-06-13 09:53:35 UTC
yeah, the dupes.
ladyluck
2007-06-13 09:22:42 UTC
i still beleive and i love him all the more


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