Scientologist, how much of your beliefs are reliant upon Xenu?

Question

This question is not to belittle you or your beliefs. I have seen southpark, read multiple sites where at OT III that there is a tale told of Xenu, and how various lifeforms were destroyed on the Earth.

I am also quite aware that I can not be completely reliant on the Internet, as I have noticed misconceptions spread about other religions that I had studied and found to be untrue. So my question is to gain further understanding of your philosophy/religion. Is Xenu part of your belief structure and if so does it remain part of the foundation of your beliefs after OT III. If you have any links to documentation or videos that dispute this please include them. Also, I have not seen any apologist sites for Scientology, if there are any please include a link to them also.

Please respect that this is a question asking Scientologists their belief structure, I am more than aware of the multiple sites out there disputing them (ie xenu.com) and do not need such links.

Thanks.

Answer 1

its a cult, scientology has nothing to do with religion or spirituality!

Answer 2

None is reliant on or based on Xenu. There are many facets of Scientology. There are many things we come across in Scientology.



If you are sincere in you question come in to a Church and listen to the free audio-visio setup. You can hear except from many lectures.



Get this idea - a guy learns to drive a car then you put him in a Nuclear Powered Rocket Car.....BOOM!!!...that's the end of him. But if you train a guy to control his body, his mind, his area, his car, a bigger car, a faster car, an unmanned rocket and then you put him in a Nuclear Powered Rocket Car...sonic boom!!!! Off he goes.



Same as Scientology my friend you need to know you first before you even consider looking at something you can not even vaguely understand.



Come in and study and find out for yourself, Scientology is for able people to help able people.

Answer 3

There is no reference to Xenu in any openly-available materials (books, lectures, etc.), therefore it would be unlikely to say that "beliefs are reliant upon Xenu" even if Xenu had something to do about something in Scientology in not-so-available materials.

Answer 4

Thank you for asking this question.

The answer is : None of Scientology is based on this.



R's answer is correct. It you seriously are looking to know about the principles and factors that are the basis of the Scientology religion, it is fully covered and communicated

and avaialbe to anyone in more than 500,000 pages of writings, including dozens of books and over 2,000 tape-recorded public lectures. That is a vast amount of material.



There are no official apologist sites to "answer" these unofficial sites that deliberately spread accusations and disinformation.

This is because the source material speaks for itself. Those that truly want to find out for themselves will go to this source. There are also plenty of official sites availble with facts and information on the internet for those who want to know.

There are so many lies and false information that circulates in any culture and society today that is blindly absorbed without personal inspection, thro the internet, media etc., particularly in the area of religion. The result is a slave society as the ability to observe and think for oneself is disappears. Easily controlled and manipulated.

This kind of operation is not exclusive to the Scientology religion.

(Hitler informed the German people that the Jews "ate babies" as part of his propagada campaign, this preceded

the murder of 6 million without any protest from the German people.)



How do you respond to the accusation : Are you still eating babies? or " Have you stopped beating your wife"?......... Anything you say will incriminate you.

This is a deliberate smear campiagn.



The real questions should be, What are the vested interests behind these false accusations or false negative impressions that are being created ?

And more important , Who has some kind of vested interest in doing this ?



( I assure you the answer is the exact opposite of any pretended overt justification. )



or to quote the noble Bard:

"Methinks thou doth protest too much"





Here's some factual information for you about Scientology:



Scientology is an applied religious philosophy. When I say "applied" I mean you actually use it in your life to change or improve existing conditions. It is a very practical religion.

All religions if you learn about them have a basic philosphy, but they also have certain dogma, rituals and observances, and a certain faith or belief is required. There is nothing wrong with this, but Scientology is not that kind of religion. It does not intrude on anyones faiths of beliefs in the area of God , the Supreme Being, or the Infinite. This area is left totally up to the indivdual as pasrt of his life. It does not conflict.

You can have no specific religious beliefs and still benefit from it.

And it is only true for you according to your own observation and experience with it.

It is also not a messianic religion. This means there is no worship of messiahs in Scientology. There are no “beliefs” as such because a truth should be according to ones own observation and experience.

The dictionary definition that applies:

Religion: The spiritual or emotional attitude of one who recognises the existence of superhuman power or powers.



The most basic principle of Scientology is that YOU are your own immortal soul, that this is not a "thing" you HAVE but what YOU actually are.

The whole purpose of Scientology is to increase an individual's understanding and awareness of himself. and lifeAnd thereby his native abilities .

When you do this the sphere and zone of his positive influence increases and moves outward into his life, his family ,his friends, his groups and mankind which he is part of.



How this result is achieved is the "technology" of Scientology, which was developed by L.Ron Hubbard after his extensive research and the discoveries he made, about the human spirit. The basic religious philosophy and knowledge of Scientology is very old, going back 10,000 years at least to the Veda or Vedic Hymns from the East. L. Ron Hubbard researched and made new discoveries about the human spirit. He developed technology from these discoveries to apply to increase spiritual awareness and ability.

He completed his research before his death in 1986 and left all of his results and copyrights

to the Church of Scientology along with most of his considerable personal estate, when he died.



He published a book in 1951 to communicate the basic principles he discovered called: " Scientology The Fundementals of Thought"

There are currently over 10 million Scientologists in more than 163 countries world wide. However we are a new religion, only 53 years old.

The true story of Scientology as a religion goes like this:

1. A philosopher developes a philosophy about life and death.

2. People find it interesting.

3. People find it works.

4. People pass it along to others.

5. It grows.



This is just an overview.

L. Ron Hubbard explained fully the theology and technologies of Scientology in more than 500,000 pages of writings, including dozens of books and over 2,000 tape-recorded public lectures.

Answer 5

most dont know what xenu is because they are low level scientologists.

Answer 6

None! Scientology is not about superstition; is about knowledge and you can believe in anything you want.



THIS IS SCIENTOLOGY

Scientology is a path to find your own personal truth, these are the principles:



1. Man as we know him has three parts: Body, Mind and Spirit but the spirit is man’s true form. Man’s individuality, purpose and self determinism are originated in the spirit.

The second part of man is the mind, the mind is a bank of mental image pictures were all his experiences are stored. The spirit uses these memories to estimate future action effort and make decisions. We call these decisions ‘postulates’. A ‘postulate’ is a conclusion, decision or resolution made by the individual himself on his own self-determinism on data of the past to resolve problems on the past decide on present problems and observations and sets a pattern for the future.

The parts of the mind:

a. The analytical mind is the conscious and aware mind which thinks, observes data, remembers it and resolves problems. It would be essentially the conscious mind as opposed to the unconscious mind.

b. The reactive mind is the portion of the mind that was created during moments of unconsciousness or severe pain. This part of the mind that is occluded to the spirit but still impinges upon the spirit in a stimulus response sequence. This mind is the source of irrational fears and inexplicable emotions, pains and psychosomatic illnesses.

The third part of man is the body this part of man is the specialty of medicine and NOT Scientology. But I will tell you a little secret; the brain is not the mind. Man’s mind is far superior than the brain or any computer. First the brain doesn’t have the capacity to store not even a fraction of the mind’s memories. Secondly the amount data required to recreate man’s thinkingness is far beyond the abilities of the brain. We are talking about millions of gigabytes of data being instantly transferred from the memories banks to man’s consciences for analysis. Just think about it, brain cells are not even a good conductor of electricity. It is physically impossible for brain cells to transfers such high amount of data. All what the brain is the center of the nervous systems, the brain controls movement, glands and receives information from it’s sensor but all thinkingness of man is done by the spirit. You are not a biological machine, you are a spiritual being that has a mind and controls a body through a brain.



2. Dianetics rehabilitation technology assists the individual in exploring his own mind on a self determined basis in order to eradicate the reactive or unconscious mind. In order for the reactive mind to exist it needs to be occluded from the spirit but once the spirit have look and examined the reactive mind, the reactive mind disappears and its data becomes part of the analytical mind.



3. Scientology spiritual rehabilitation technology addresses the rehabilitation of the individuals or groups ability and ethics. Dianetics is an important part of Scientology but it only addresses the reactive mind whereas Scientology addresses all parts of life including communication, learning and morals.



4. Scientology doctrine as a religion holds as its most important axiom “What is true for you is what you your self observe to be true.” This axiom promotes individual thinkingness and independence. In fact it is a high crime in Scientology for anyone to tell anyone what to think or what to believe in. In Scientology it is YOU that do the exploring, YOU that do the observations and YOU come up with your own conclusion.



5. Scientology has highly trained experts to assist you in this journey. We call these experts auditors, auditors are not counselors because they don’t give counsel or opinion. The role of the auditor is to listen and ask a question or command, these questions or commands are geared towards calling your attention to observe a part of life and YOU, by making these observations you gain new data and you reach new conclusions.

The Auditor follows this code:

http://www.scientology.org/en_US/religion/auditing/pg004a.html

“1. I promise not to evaluate for the preclear or tell him what he should think about his case in session.”, “11. I promise never to get angry with a preclear in session.”, “24. I promise to see that any donation received for processing is refunded, following the policies of the Claims Verification Board, if the preclear is dissatisfied and demands it within three months after the processing, the only condition being that he may not again be processed or trained.”



6. This link has 28 different religious studies papers on Scientology made by religious scholars: http://www.neuereligion.de/ENG/index.html Also see this link: http://www.bonafidescientology.org/Append/09/index.htm



7. Scientology vs. Psychiatry. Psychiatry is a dogma that believes that self awareness, feelings, love and faith is merely cellular activity. Basically they think that you are your brain and you are not in charge of your behavior but your cells are. But contrary to their beliefs Psychiatry bases it’s diagnosis on opinion and opinion alone. There aren’t any pathological tests that can determine if a person is mentally ill.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3895596783332855545&q=Psychiatry+is+fraude&hl=enhttp://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8443414209115892468&q=scientology&hl=en

In the following video two college professors explain that there is no such thing as a chemical imbalance.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NbTqjSfMPKA&mode=related&search=

Happiness, exhilaration, depression and psychosis are states of mind, not diseases. All what you have to do to stop being depress is change your state of mind and you CAN do that.

Note: Scientology doesn't have anything against Psychology or Neurology.



8. Scientology is a force for good in society and fights dangerous and harmful drugs and Psychiatric abuses, http://www.cchr.org/ criminality, http://www.criminon.org and drug addiction. http://www.narconon.org. And Scientologists initiated the social reform group "Youth for Human Rights" http://www.youthforhumanrights.org and the movement "Say no to drugs and yes to life". http://www.notodrugs-yestolife.org

Scientologists are some of the more intelligent, able, successful and happy people in this planet; including Jenna Elfman, Kelly Preston, John Travolta, Priscilla Presley, Sofia Milos and Leah Remini.

Scientology is composed more than 6,000 churches, missions and groups, employing over 10,000 members, over 10 million people have taken Scientology services WW.



9. Scientology doesn't ask for donations from their parishioners during their Sunday Services. All chapel services are 100% free (marriages, naming ceremonies, ect). Scientology uses an exchange system to finance its organizations, basically earns its money by delivering services. You do not need to buy services to be in Scientology. All you need to do to be a Scientologist is to read the books and apply Scientology to your life. But if you want auditing there are many alternative and economical ways to achieve this.

a. You can do volunteer work in your local church and get your services for free.

b. You can study to become an auditor and perform all auditing with a fellow student. This way you also become a trained auditor and you can provide free services to friends and family.



10. Scientology means “knowing how to know” and follows a tradition of 10,000 years in the study of life and the spirit. Scientology earliest ancestor is the Veda (the Veda means knowingness or sacred lore) continued with the Tao-The-king (also known as Taoism and it means “the way to solving the mystery which underlines all mysteries”) continued by the Dhyana (that means knowingness or lookingness), continued by the works of Gautama Sakyamuni also know as Gautama Buddha (a Buddha or Bodhi is one that has attained intellectual and ethical perfection by human means).

“The words of Christ of were a lesson of compassion and they set a very fine example” The Phoenix Lectures by LRH



11. L Ron Hubbard (13 March 1911 – 24 January 1986), was a literary genius that published more than two hundred stories and novels between 1927 and 1941. As a Hollywood screenwriter during this same period he wrote the screen plays for films such as The Mysterious Pilot and The Adventures of Wild Bill Hickok, while his The Secret of Treasure Island stands as one of the most profitable serials of all time. With a regular production of one hundred thousand words a month LRH was the undisputed king of high-speed production writers. In fact he had the ability to produce a whole story in a couple days of work by only using a manual type writer (believe it or not). Amazingly in the 1980ties he did a come back as a writer by producing the best sellers ‘Battlefield Earth’ and the decaology (ten volume series) Mission Earth. LRH had 21 consecutive international bestsellers, a feat unmatched in publishing history.



LRH could have lived a very profitable and idle life as a writer but he chose to use his earnings and industry to research the human spirit and human mind. This research later became Dianetics and Scientology. LRH produced 5,000 writings and 3,000 tape-recorded lectures on the subject of Dianetics and Scientology. Contrary to popular belief L Ron Hubbard never profited from Dianetics and Scientology but it actually cost him many millions. Dianetics and Scientology are LRH’s gift to humanity. LRH also developed drug rehabilitation, educational and management programs. Humanity will always be indebted for the contributions of LRH.

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References

http://www.bonafidescientology.org/

http://www.chaplaincare.navy.mil/Scientology.htm

http://www.religioustolerance.org/scientol.htm

http://www.scientology.org/

http://www.beliefnet.com/story/80/story_8057_1.html