Question:
Jehovah's Witnesses: A question re. Jesus, a Man or a spirit?
Τιμοθέῳ
2009-06-27 09:11:59 UTC
Look over these two verses and see the differences...

1 Corinthians 15:50
Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.

Luke 24:39
Look at my hands and my feet. It is I myself! Touch me and see; a ghost does not have flesh and bones, as you see I have."

Do the Jehovah's Witnesses see where Jesus said "flesh and bones", not "flesh and blood"?

Do the JWs agree that Jesus' blood was drained on the Cross, and He had no blood when buried and then raised?

How is it that JWs will say we believe Jesus the Man presently has blood, when the Bible stated what Jesus said..."flesh and bones", not... "flesh and blood"?

In John 6:53-56 Jesus was describing His flesh and blood in all the verses. Why didn't He just say "a ghost does not have Flesh and Blood..." instead of "...flesh and bones..." in that verse in Luke quoted at the top?

How can a spirit of Jesus place His hand and touch John's shoulder in Revelation? Did John actually physically feel a spirit???

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Seven answers:
JasonWeiWei
2009-06-27 09:31:07 UTC
1 Corinthians 15:50

Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.

Only those born of the spirit, born of God, children of God, reborn in the Spirit, baptized in the Spirit can inherit God's kingdom.

Only earthly humans have flesh and blood but as children of God our body is no longer our own but the member's of Christ Jesus' body.





Luke 24:39

Look at my hands and my feet. It is I myself! Touch me and see; a ghost does not have flesh and bones, as you see I have."



Do the Jehovah's Witnesses see where Jesus said "flesh and bones", not "flesh and blood"?



Jesus used the term flesh and bone because a ghost or a spirit will not have a physical body. But Jesus has risen from the dead, he is the living Son of God and he has promised never to leave nor forsake us.

It is not important whether its flesh and blood or flesh and bone, they can both be used for elaborating on the same point, Jesus is alive and not dead.





Do the JWs agree that Jesus' blood was drained on the Cross, and He had no blood when buried and then raised?



How is it that JWs will say we believe Jesus the Man presently has blood, when the Bible stated what Jesus said..."flesh and bones", not... "flesh and blood"?



When Jesus was raised from the death his body has became immortal and divine. Surely our heavenly Father will not raised him without any blood in his body, we do not know that. All i know is he is given a totally immortal and new body, with nail pierced hands for the remembrance of his sacrifice.



Isnt it obvious that ghost are evil spirits or fallen angels. They are not humans of course they have no blood much less bones and flesh. Flesh and bone or flesh and blood is not important what's important is he is alive and living.





How can a spirit of Jesus place His hand and touch John's shoulder in Revelation? Did John actually physically feel a spirit???

You are a believer yet you do not believe Jesus is living and totally alive? ALL authority on heaven and earth was given to him, the Jesus you have in mind is so LIMITED. NO! Jesus is the SON OF GOD EXALTED TO THE RIGHT HAND AND HE IS ABOVE ALL POWER.



God bless you Father. No offence.
mpcotk
2009-06-28 15:14:07 UTC
Do the Jehovah's Witnesses see where Jesus said "flesh and bones", not "flesh and blood"?



Yes. We can read. But what exactly is your point, i've read this over and over again and it doesn't make any sense. There are a lot of questions here that don't belong with the main, themed question.

What exactly is your point?

Jesus had blood?

Jesus had only flesh and bones?

What exactly are you trying to imply, or indirectly suggest?



Do the JWs agree that Jesus' blood was drained on the Cross, and He had no blood when buried and then raised?



There is a technicality in your question. The Cross. Are you talking about the Byzantine Cross, or the Crux Simplex? The Byzantine cross did not arrive until the late 400AD to the early 500AD. But a symbol was introduced by Constantine I. He said that god told him, "In this sign conquer." Do you know what that sign was? I was not the Christians cross, but the Chi Rho, or XP. So i dont agree with you about the Cross.



Ok, about your question. Where in the Bible does it say that Jesus' blood was drained?

(John 19:34) Yet one of the soldiers jabbed his side with a spear, and immediately blood and water came out.

Shortly there after, if you keep on reading, Jesus died.

Blood stops flowing when the heart stops, unless it is hung upside down. You live in Canada, and if you hunt wild game you should know the process and styles of properly draining blood. Which wasnt the case in Jesus Christ. Soon after his death, Nicodemus, had him taken to his tomb. So, no, he was not drained of ALL his blood. I'll be lieing to you if i said that he didnt bleed. He did, but not the way you suggest. If, so show me the scripture.



How is it that JWs will say we believe Jesus the Man presently has blood, when the Bible stated what Jesus said..."flesh and bones", not... "flesh and blood"?



Have you ever seen a dead person that died of blood loss? That’s a scary sight, I don’t think Jesus wants to scare his disciples. There is also something wrong with you Bible. The King James Version renders the Word, Ghost , as Spirit. So does our bible the New World Translation, The Tyndale says Ghost. But the Word, pneuma is translated as Spirit, not Ghost. That is taken from the Vatican Manuscript 1209, dated to the 4 century AD. So 3 to 1 your bible is wrong.



In John 6:53-56 Jesus was describing His flesh and blood in all the verses. Why didn't He just say "a ghost does not have Flesh and Blood..." instead of "...flesh and bones..." in that verse in Luke quoted at the top?



Thies question cannot only be directed to JW’s, because it the King James Version it also says, “Flesh and Blood.” Other Bibles say the same thing. I think you should just ask the General Christian Population, I’m pretty sure other wont agree with you. You seem to only be picking on JW’s.



How can a spirit of Jesus place His hand and touch John's shoulder in Revelation? Did John actually physically feel a spirit???



Well, the Book of Revelation is all symbolic. Even if he did, what is to say that a spirit can’t touch a human. Jacob even wrestled an angel. How can a man wrestle a spirit?



(Genesis 32:24-30) Finally Jacob was left by himself. Then a man began to grapple with him until the dawn ascended. 25 When he got to see that he had not prevailed over him, then he touched the socket of his thigh joint; and the socket of Jacob’s thigh joint got out of place during his grappling with him. 26 After that he said: “Let me go, for the dawn has ascended.” To this he said: “I am not going to let you go until you first bless me.” 27 So he said to him: “What is your name?” to which he said: “Jacob.” 28 Then he said: “Your name will no longer be called Jacob but Israel, for you have contended with God and with men so that you at last prevailed.” 29 In turn Jacob inquired and said: “Tell me, please, your name.” However, he said: “Why is it that you inquire for my name?” With that he blessed him there. 30 Hence Jacob called the name of the place Pe·ni′el, because, to quote him, “I have seen God face to face and yet my soul was delivered.”



If a person can’t touch a spirit, please explain that verse. How did the demons materialized themselves in the Time of Noah? You’re argument is not solid.



-mpcotk
2009-06-27 10:06:23 UTC
1Corinthians 15:50;

what Paul is saying is we will be given new bodies when Jesus returns,

and that these new bodies will be without disabilities, never to die or become sick.



Luke 24:39;

Jesus. body was not a figment of the imagination or the appearance of

a ghost - the disciples seen Him, touched Him, and Jesus ate food with the disciples.



John 6:53-56;

Jesus was not talking about literal blood, of course, Jesus was saying

that His life had become their own, but they could not accept this concept.

Paul and the Gospel writers used the body and blood imagery in talking

about Communion [see 1Corinthians 11;23-26]
keiichi
2009-06-29 06:51:38 UTC
Jesus is no longer in the "days of his flesh." (Hebrews 5:7) He is now a "life-giving spirit". -- 1 Corinthians 15:45.



Jesus demonstrated that his appearance or manifestation was not that of a demon, by producing his fleshly body and temporarily inhabiting the fleshly body he had died in (not his resurrection body, his heavenly, spiritual body.)



The flesh he used for these appearances no longer had the life or soul in it, and thus Jesus does not refer to its blood (the life [nephesh, sentiency, soul] of the flesh in in the blood -- Leviticus 17:11), so instead of describing it as a body of flesh and blood, Jesus described it as a body of flesh and bones. (verse 39) This is appropriate because Jesus was now a spirit being, and did not take back his human soul (Hebrew, nephesh, Greek, psyche) which he had made an offering for humanity's sin. (Isaiah 53:10,12; Matthew 20:28; Mark 10:45; John 10:11,15,17; 13:37; 15:13 - The Greek word for soul, psuche, is often translated as "life")



He only temporarily incarnated himself in human form for the purpose of demonstrating that it was actually him, and not some demon spirit impersonating him.



Question: How can you explain how Jesus is said presently to be a mediator in the NWT?



"is" is added (to heis ) shown from brackets.

Link: http://www.blueletterbible.org/Bible.cfm?b=1Ti&c=2&v=5&t=KJV#vrsn/5



KJV "For [there is] one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus"



The next verse shows this is past tense.



"Who gave himself a ransom for all"



Questions: please point the facts that are in the Bible only that say he "temporarily re-incarnated Himself" to show He is not a "demon spirit"? Where specifically in the Bible did it say He temporarily re-incarnated Himself?



"But they were terrified and affrightened, and supposed that they had seen a spirit."



The disciples were afraid because they thought they had seen a spirit, the word "spirit" is being used as a phantom -- a manifestation, a resemblance, produced by a wicked spirit, usually pretending to be the spirit of a dead person. (Luke 24:37) The disciples were aware of God's law forbidding communicating with such spirits (Leviticus 19:31; 20:6; Deuteronomy 18:10,11), and that it was forbidden for a spirit medium to be in the land of Israel (Leviticus 20:27; Deuteronomy 18:10,11; 1 Samuel 28:7-9); thus they had reason for concern that such a spirit might appear to them. They certainly would not want to be used as a medium by such spirits.



On an earlier occasion, we read:



"But when they saw him [Jesus] walking upon the sea, they supposed it had been a spirit, and cried out." (Mark 6:49)



The Greek word translated "spirit" in these accounts is Strong's #5326, phantasma, meaning "a mere show", or "simulacrum", as in an appearance or apparition like a human form made by a wicked spirit.



In Luke 24:37, the wording is similar, however, the Greek word translated "spirit" here is not 'phantasma', but rather Strong's 4151, 'pneuma', meaning, breath, or in usage, force, energy, spirit, and has a variety of applications.



The following is a list of some of the scriptures where 'pneuma' is used of demons:



Matthew 8:16; 10:1; 12:43,45; Mark 1:23,26,27; 3:11,30; 5:2,8,13; 6:7; 7:25; 9:17,20,25; Luke 4:33,36; 6:18; 7:21; 8:2,55; 9:39,42; Luke 10:20; 11:24,26; Acts 5:16; 8:7; 16:16,18; 19:12,15,16; Ephesians 6:21; 1 Peter 3:19; Revelation 16:13,14.



With this background, we can understand that Jesus demonstrated that his appearance or manifestation (Strong's 5319 -- used in Mark 16:12,14; John 21:1,14) was not that of demon.



Looking back at what Jesus sacrificed:



His humanity (Hebrews 8:4)

His blood (Mark 14:24)

His flesh (John 6:51)

His Human body i.e. flesh and bones (Hebrews 10:10)

His soul (Isaiah 53:12)



"But some one will say, How are the dead raised? and with what manner of body do they come?"



"There are also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another."



So Jesus was going to be raised as a terrestrial (earthly) body or a celestial (spirit) body. The scriptures state a spirit body.



"being put to death in the flesh, but made alive in the spirit"



Question: Do you actually believe in re-incarnation? Is this what your leaders are teaching?



Jesus was given a body by his father. (1 Corinthians 15:35-38) A spirit body rather then a body of flesh and bone that is lower than the angels. (Hebrews 2:9) This body can morph as he pleases.



“Afterward he appeared to two who were walking from Jerusalem into the country, but they didn't recognize him at first because he had changed his appearance (morphē).”



Also Paul writes: “This…manifestation…the happy and only Potentate will show in its own appointed times, he the King of those who rule as kings and Lord of those who rule as lords, the one alone having immortality, who dwells in unapproachable light, whom not one of men has seen or can see.” 1 Timothy 6:15-16



Paul indicates that Jesus “will show” himself by means of what is called “the manifestation.” Synonyms for “manifestation” are an appearance, display, a revelation, materialization and phenomenon.



Questions: If you see Jesus today, will you be frightened by His appearance because He is the King and Ruler, or are you going to be frightened to think He is a demon?



“Then if any one says to you, 'Lo, here is the Christ!' or 'There he is!' do not believe it. For false Christs and false prophets will arise and show great signs and wonders, so as to lead astray, if possible, even the elect.”



The return of Jesus Christ will be the most profound occurrence of all time. Any sightings before it will be false.
salve!
2009-06-27 09:19:23 UTC
JW's are simply misguided Christians...
YY4Me
2009-06-27 09:20:13 UTC
Fictional character.

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trolling Master Bates²
2009-06-27 09:15:00 UTC
a zombie essentially


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