Only 144,000 will see the Kingdom of God. Jehovah's Witnesses teach?

Question

John 3:3-7 Verily, verily I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God....Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter tnto the kingdom of God.....Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.

Wouldn't this be a good time for Jesus to mention to Nicodemus about the Earthly class? Has Jesus missed something Important, or has the WBTS given us a false doctrine again?

Answer 1

If you read the words of Jesus and put faith in them, you'll see that Jesus did, in fact, mention the heavenly class and the earthly class.



When speaking with his apostles and immediate disciples in the book of John, he very clearly states that there are "other sheep" not of this fold that too must come.



And, really... to second guess Jesus in his conversation with Nicodemus? How arrogant and prideful.

Answer 2

a physically powerful individual with a organic coronary heart taught catholic when you consider that start, might they be destroyed. I dont think of they could be you be attentive to. especially using fact in case you look into it this way, what share good organic human beings would desire to there have been formerly the witnesses. (Im no longer knocking the witnesses however the present employer in easy terms got here into being in the 1800s) Why would desire to they be destroyed in the event that they hadnt been given the possibility to be attentive to the actuality? It states fairly needless to say there'll be a resurrection of the two the righteous and unrighteous (Acts 24:15).. and that that people who under no circumstances knew Gods way might take transport of a wager for the duration of Christs one thousand year reign to benefit it. Revelation 20 people who shouldnt die in armageddon would die using motives which won't be able to be controlled, yet while they do then they are going to be resurrected and in the event that they didnt be attentive to the nicely suited way they're going to take transport of the possibility to benefit it. The wages sin pays is dying, so which you have paid off the salary off sin in case you die. and you get the possibility of accepting Gods way. Romans 6:23 additionally with the 2d element of your question, in the event that they have been trully repentant then sure Im optimistic God might forgive them. yet they couldnt merely pretend and attempt to fool God, they actually might in actual fact deep of their hearts would desire to be sorry. Acts 26:18

Answer 3

The NUMBER of people who will see here and now the "Kingdom of God", viz.: one of Christ's typically altruistic and favorite expressions for his own divine identity and absolute authority (over death and life), depends on how many are genuinely "born spiritually of the Spirit" which was to pour out from the pierced side of the simultaneously crucified and glorified Christ (1).



Nicodemus was bold enough to accept and obey the Lord's commandment (2).

Answer 4

Orthodox teaching teaches the 144,000 is Just a symbolic number used for the people that are actually going to be saved.

So what they are saying 144,000>Really means millions or billions people being saved.



Jesus did say many are called but FEW are CHOSEN. Lets hope it not Just 144,000 out of all of humanity that will eventually be saved.



The JWs are saying this 144,000 are the special higher heavenly class Christian Government in Heaven

The masses and millions or billons that are saved are the lower class earthly Christians living in paradise on earth.

Answer 5

Why? It would be 1000s of years before it was necessary to be disclosed.



It is like the "sacred secret" that Paul speaks about.



(Ephesians 3:5-6) 5 In other generations this [secret] was not made known to the sons of men as it has now been revealed to his holy apostles and prophets by spirit, 6 namely, that people of the nations should be joint heirs and fellow members of the body and partakers with us of the promise in union with Christ Jesus through the good news.



If for 1000s of years the fact that the sons of Abraham were not the only ones that would share in the blessing of being part of the kingdom of God, and wasn't reveal until it was time (the 1st Century), why would the special life that awaited all the resurrected humans and those who survive the last days needed to be revealed then?

Answer 6

conundrum, no invite no go? May our lord speak with you openly, and soon at that.



I prefer not 'quoting' scripture though the instructions are clear enough so a child

may understand.



Growing up under JW teaching, I have discovered much for myself and more

assuredly from the greatest of all. Ask and you will receive.



The 144,000 spoken of, is NOT of only 'those to be saved' if many believe this

at all. The 144,000 are of those worthy enough, strong enough, that stand firm

enough in fullest of instruction from God himself. No you won't find this in a book.

You can gain the full, understanding if you step out of your adult-hood methods of

thinking and truly hear the words as you read them to yourself.



The mentioned 144,000 are of the caliber that they alone shall be THE ONLY ones

left for anyone interested to fully seek out to obtain their last and only chance to

offer their being entirely committed to our father... through full repentance.



It does NOT read they will be the only ones 'saved' or 'allowed into heaven'.



If you look at this in simpler form, each of us as an 'experiment', given our own

ability to 'think', it is for us to come to terms with that which is presented before us.



Live, or Die.



Many think we 'live' now. Here, we are truly 'dead', unless we choose to awaken

and offer ourselves completely to our father.



Here, our father uses a belt to bring us around. Our father of creation, knows what is

right but awaits our own 'decision' to how we wish to 'end' things. This is part of the

ongoing 'game' if you will - to determine those truly intent on being with him without

'messing up the house', knocking things over, yelling at one another, or worse, going

against him ever again.



Oh, right, no one remembers the 'heavenly battle' that ultimately ended with the opposing foe being tossed down to live among us.... we'll just skip that part.



None of us were, ever have been or are a part of that battle I take it. Little sis didn't aggravate little bro, making him mad to 'slap' little sis or neither did anything to get the

other in trouble up in heaven right? No, no fighting what-so-ever.



None of us EVER make any noise I'm sure. Hmm, anyone have kids?



If you ask me, it sure seems one is trying to pull me one direction, while the other is trying

to get me to go another. How about you? Nah, there's just no way the on-going battle up there could ever have anything to do with us being down here now could it?



Rather than have 'beings' slamming eachother around up there, why not 'encase them' ( humanly ) and let them fight inside themselves, or take it out on eachother, in a different manner - teach them how to behave if you will - then maybe those that can understand can come on back home and we can finally have some peace around the place?



Right, too far fetched. Kids NEVER step out of line do they?

Answer 7

You Are Confusing two groups here "Those seeing" and "Those entering" and if you read Jesus words and understand the difference of being baptized by water or water and spirit. The ones born of spirit, which Jesus was the first resurrected to spirit, are these



(John 1:13) and they were born, not from blood or from a fleshly will or from man’s will, but from God.

(2 Corinthians 5:17) Consequently if anyone is in union with Christ, he is a new creation; the old things passed away, look! new things have come into existence.

(Galatians 6:15) For neither is circumcision anything nor is uncircumcision, but a new creation [is something].

(1 Peter 1:3) Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, for according to his great mercy he gave us a new birth to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,

(1 Peter 1:23) For YOU have been given a new birth, not by corruptible, but by incorruptible [reproductive] seed, through the word of [the] living and enduring God.

(1 John 3:9) Everyone who has been born from God does not carry on sin, because His [reproductive] seed remains in such one, and he cannot practice sin, because he has been born from God.

Associated with Christ on heavenly thrones will be 144,000 others, loyal servants of God out of “every tribe and tongue and people and nation.” These too are given immortal life. (Revelation 5:9, 10; 14:1-4; 1 Corinthians 15:42-44, 53) The vast majority of them are already in the heavens, and the remnant of them yet on earth make up the present-day “faithful and discreet slave,” which loyally furthers the interests of that Kingdom here.—Matthew 24:45-47.

Unlike the numberless “great crowd,” this numbered group of spiritual Israelites have the name of Jesus and the name of his Father written upon them. They also have written upon them the name of the city of God, the New Jerusalem, which comes down out of heaven from God. Just as Mount Zion was associated with ancient Jerusalem, so a spiritual Mount Zion is associated with this New Jerusalem that is heavenly. Consequently, those of the “great crowd” expect to remain on earth forever and to share in bringing it to a Paradise state. After seeing a vision of 144,000 spiritual Israelites, he writes, saying: “After these things I saw, and behold! a great crowd, which no one could have numbered, out of every nation, and of all tribes, and peoples, and languages, standing before the throne, and in the presence of the Lamb, invested with white robes, and palm-branches in their hands; and they cry with a loud voice, saying, ‘The salvation be ascribed to that God of ours who sits on the throne, and to the Lamb.’”—Rev. 7:9, 10,



Jehovah’s Witnesses recognize that honesty is required in everything they do. As the basis for their view, they point to such scriptures as the following: Jehovah himself is “the God of truth.” (Ps. 31:5) On the other hand, as Jesus said, the Devil is “the father of the lie.” (John 8:44) Understandably, then, among the things that Jehovah hates is “a false tongue.” (Prov. 6:16, 17) His Word tells us: “Now that you have put away falsehood, speak truth.” (Eph. 4:25) And not only must Christians speak truth but, like the apostle Paul, they need to ‘conduct themselves honestly in all things.’ (Heb. 13:18) There are no areas of life where Jehovah’s Witnesses can legitimately apply some other set of values.



(2 Timothy 2:14-15) 14 Keep reminding them of these things, charging them before God as witness, not to fight about words, a thing of no usefulness at all because it overturns those listening. 15 Do your utmost to present yourself approved to God, a workman with nothing to be ashamed of, handling the word of the truth aright.

Answer 8

What do you expect?

False doctrine leads to false teachings.

JW's aren't even the 144,000 mentioned in the Book of Revelation !

Answer 9

It is what the BIBLE teaches. Read Revelations.

No-one just decides that they " want to go" to Heaven, they have to be invited. Jesus made that plain in speaking to his disciples.

Just because one " wants" to go to Heaven does not make it so.

No invite- Not going.

Answer 10

No one is going to heaven it's not real